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I managed to fry my kaisers circuits by plugging a 4 AMP car charger into the USB power port.
It only took one second, i smelled the smoke and instantly unplugged the cable, but it was too late.
Surprisingly the device was still powered and functioning, so i didn't freak out. The battery was already dead. after around 30 seconds it died again, i walked back home and tried charging it with mains adapter with no luck.
Next morning, i took my handset to a local electronics repair shop to check it, and i told them the story. they called me back and said the motherboard needs to be replaced. and it would cost me around $470. (and its not covered by manufacturers warranty. ouch!!)
After hours of cursing and smashing my head into the steering wheel, i thought i'll pick it back and try something my self.
the part where the device stayed on even after the smoke came out led me to believe that the board is still fine. and that only the charging port got fried.
the problem is, I don't have a desk charger to charge my battery and test my theory, a disassembly guide would also be very helpful.
if the main mother board was really fried, is there any place that i can buy it from? i did some goggling around with no luck.Anything cheaper than what these guys are asking for would be great, i have a feeling they are trying to rip me off.
If any of you guys can help me out, id be grateful.
hoaxbox said:
I managed to fry my kaisers circuits by plugging a 4 AMP car charger into the USB power port.
It only took one second, i smelled the smoke and instantly unplugged the cable, but it was too late.
Surprisingly the device was still powered and functioning, so i didn't freak out. The battery was already dead. after around 30 seconds it died again, i walked back home and tried charging it with mains adapter with no luck.
Next morning, i took my handset to a local electronics repair shop to check it, and i told them the story. they called me back and said the motherboard needs to be replaced. and it would cost me around $470. (and its not covered by manufacturers warranty. ouch!!)
After hours of cursing and smashing my head into the steering wheel, i thought i'll pick it back and try something my self.
the part where the device stayed on even after the smoke came out led me to believe that the board is still fine. and that only the charging port got fried.
the problem is, I don't have a desk charger to charge my battery and test my theory, a disassembly guide would also be very helpful.
if the main mother board was really fried, is there any place that i can buy it from? i did some goggling around with no luck.Anything cheaper than what these guys are asking for would be great, i have a feeling they are trying to rip me off.
If any of you guys can help me out, id be grateful.
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I have a brand new AT&T Tilt ( kaiserII HTC8925) for sale i can sell to you for $375.00 New In the box never been used. PM me if interested.
Sorry I can't help in this matter, but I thought i would post this here rather than start a whole new thread.
I have heard lots of horror stories of in-car chargers frying kaisers. Has anyone got an in-car charger that works?
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Sorry I can't help in this matter, but I thought i would post this here rather than start a whole new thread.
I have heard lots of horror stories of in-car chargers frying kaisers. Has anyone got an in-car charger that works?
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Order one that is made for the Kaiser...a lot of people are trying to use old chargers just cause the tip is the same.
I got my stuff from PocketSolutions.com
Car chargers that work for the 8525 should work fine for the 8925. It just can't do that "boost" charging feature the Tilt supposedly has.
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Car chargers that work for the 8525 should work fine for the 8925. It just can't do that "boost" charging feature the Tilt supposedly has.
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hmmm.. thats got me scared, cuz im using a razr charger for my tilt. ive used it multiple times with no probs so far...hope its not damaging my phone tho
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hmmm.. thats got me scared, cuz im using a razr charger for my tilt. ive used it multiple times with no probs so far...hope its not damaging my phone tho
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That one won't damage the Kaiser, but it has only half the mA of the proper one. This can sometimes cause problems if the charge level of the battery is very low. For charging from time to time and when battery isn't near empty you will be ok.
Mike
well a quick tip would probably be checking the fuze on your charger, anything below an amp wouldnt do much damage. -.-;
4 amps fried my tilts motherboard, so watch out guys
still looking for a service manual, now that my phone is dead, i want to dissect it,
I'm using a cheapy chinese one made for an Imate Jam if that helps.
Joe
the part of the board responsible for charging is probably what went up in smoke - you probably smelt (smelled?) resistors/capacitors overheating/melting - they said a total mobo replace as that circuitry is probably all on the same board - sure you might be able to replace it yourself but i dunno - might be a bit of a mega mission what with all these micro components around on these sorts of device
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the part of the board responsible for charging is probably what went up in smoke - you probably smelt (smelled?) resistors/capacitors overheating/melting - they said a total mobo replace as that circuitry is probably all on the same board - sure you might be able to replace it yourself but i dunno - might be a bit of a mega mission what with all these micro components around on these sorts of device
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Yep, these devices now have multilayer boards that make it virtually impossible to do a bit of home soldering/component replacement on.
Bring back the days of my youth when we had valves (tubes in US I believe), they were nice - and kept your hands warm as you soldered away in a freezing garage
Mike
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I opened up the case and unscrewed my way to the burnt part of the board.
thanks to mike and the manual he posted on some other fourm
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocke...58716/HTC-Service-Manuals-Dismantling-Guides/
This is the main board
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7447/ks1jj3.jpg
This is the same board from the other side with the burnt IC
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2717/ks2wi1.jpg
And a close up
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4416/ks3nv1.jpg
Closer
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
Okay now i can at least see where the damage is.
Still stubborn that i am, I did not believe that this IC killed the entire mobo, so i invested in a desk charger for the battery and charged it up fully.
I just tested it now and to my surprise it WORKED!!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5070/ks5vj6.jpg
Of course, my joy ride did not last for long as the device started heating up. I switched it back off once i felt the abnormal amount of heat generated.
I tried it again after it cooled down. This time I kept it for around three mins, and again it heated up, at the end of, it just shut it self off. (still heating up).
After that scary little experiment i learned few things:
1- The device motherboard is alive, there is no need to replace the entire board.
2- The burnt IC is probably meant to control the usb port and the power, therefore my usb port is useless at this stage.
3- charging the battery externally wont help much without resolving the heat issue.
I tried to look up diagrams for the devices board and the only thing i could found is this:
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf
which is useless.
Any help would be much appreciated..
cheers
Can anyone help me with this?
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
the chip burnt shown in the picture above needs to be replaced on my tytnz mobo.
can anyone give me more details about it or where can i find a replacement, all i could read on it is the (QRA) part, if anyone has a tytn II could you have a closer look, grab me a serial number maybe.
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Can anyone help me with this?
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
the chip burnt shown in the picture above needs to be replaced on my tytnz mobo.
can anyone give me more details about it or where can i find a replacement, all i could read on it is the (QRA) part, if anyone has a tytn II could you have a closer look, grab me a serial number maybe.
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anyone? lols still waiting btw
am sure most of the kaiser form viewers have a kaiser.
if any of you do can you please check that chip on your device board, i have lost mine and trying to replace it.
check if theres anything written on it, any information about it would be could be helpful.
thanks
I'll start from the top, I broke my phone's screen so I had it replaced by HTC. I shipped the phone (without a battery) to HTC like they wanted and got a new phone back. I installed "HD_III_BlackStone WWE" rom, and it worked fine for about 4 days or so. but eventually it wouldn't charge, I figured my battery was finally shot so I bought a new one, it worked fine for awhile but now it won't charge at all.
my computer doesn't even recognize my tilt, never says anything is connected. it does have the checkbox unchecked for computer charging, so that should be fine.
and I've tried 2 different computers with 3 different cables, as well as my car charger and 2 wall chargers =/
I've searched around but I haven't found any information regarding this, I have a feeling my car charger might've some how killed my USB port on my phone.
can anyone point me in the right direction on this? I am pretty tech savvy but I just don't know where to start troubleshooting this any deeper.
any help will be greatly appreciated, i'll be checking this frequently.
Some options
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I have a feeling my car charger might've some how killed my USB port on my phone.
can anyone point me in the right direction on this?
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Maybe this stickied WARNING: Active Brodit Carkit thread in the Kaiser accessories forum may be of some assistance. What car charger kit have you got? Of course your replacement Kaiser should have a warranty as long as it has an official configuration. Without a working USB port you'll have difficulty restoring the original configuration as not all required steps can be done with the microSD card method - one of the risks with running custimised ROMs on devices still under warranty. If you have that particular car charger then maybe you can get some comeback from that company and a cheap Kaiser battery charging cradle will keep you going in the mean time - it just means swapping batteries to charge them. You can still use bluetooth for activesync (buying a dongle for the PC if reqd).
Thank you so much for the reply... I'll have to do the MicroSD way then, thankfully i have one finally.
but I'm not using a Brodit Carkit, the issue seems identical though so that's probably why isn't it? =/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448467
give this a read and hope it works sounds better than above
nope, I researched as best as I could and thats not the issue either, the first reply seems correct.
I get no indication that its charging or connected through my PC or phone, that includes lights
nothing changes.
what kind of cradle will charge just the battery?
Clarification
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Thank you so much for the reply... I'll have to do the MicroSD way then, thankfully i have one finally.
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My point about that is you WONT be able to fully restore everything via the microSD card method - the SPL reversion has to be done using the USB connection.
but I'm not using a Brodit Carkit, the issue seems identical though so that's probably why isn't it? =/
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Well whatever version you are using, if you check your port for physical damage as maxblaster linked to and thats all clear then hopefully your car kit supplier will be some help. At least the methods I suggested (battery charge cradle and bluetooth activesync) are cheap workarounds that can keep you going in the mean time. Good luck
Kaiser charging cradle
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what kind of cradle will charge just the battery?
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I wanted to post a picture of one at the XDA-DEV shop (out of loyalty to this website) but cant find it anymore.
If you google Kaiser charging cradle you should find some results that have a flat recess at the back and that come with a mains adapter, the idea being you put a spare battery in the back, plug it in to the mains and it'll charge that battery. They also have a dished recess for the phone itself but you don't have to use that part to charge a battery. I have one of these devices and highly reccommend them for Kaiser users (along with a spare battery or two) as the devices are very battery hungry if you want to take advantage of all the features. PM me if you're still stuck and I can point you to a link.
thank you so much, looked around and ordered one
i appreciate all the help you've given me.
PS HTC is freaking trying to say they never repaired my phone
greggsauce said:
thank you so much, looked around and ordered one
i appreciate all the help you've given me.
PS HTC is freaking trying to say they never repaired my phone
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You're welcome. It sounds like HTC didn't repair your phone, they replaced it instead but I'd assume any replacements they provide would still be warrantied, even if only for a short period. The problem is you've customised it's ROM and while it's not in exactly the same ROM/Radio/SPL state as they supplied it to you in (or using an approved HTC 'upgrade' ROM) then they don't need to honour a warranty (restoring what you can would give you the best chance). If it is your car phone charger that was responsible for the damage then why not contact the supplier with your complaint.
Hiya...
Rooted/Nandroid with Bootstrapped Recovery..
I was in the car today,device charged about 40%, noticed the Bionic (for the first time) spontaneously booted. Got the boot screen icon, then black.
Went home, pulled the battery, put in the dock, nothing. Battery back in, nothing.
I think I've eliminated the battery as the cause.
Called Verizon, level 2 tech, offered to send a replacement; I opted to go the the brick and mortar store in the AM so as not to wait for 2 days.
Three questions:
Any chance that this is software related? Rooting app or Bootstrap app related? I think not, as in the dock without a battery it should at least start to light up, no?
If I'm correct, am I in jeopardy of voiding my warranty as the phone's rooted? (Not that they could tell).. ?
Anything else to try b4 swapping the phone?
Thx
Alan
arcopress said:
Any chance that this is software related? Rooting app or Bootstrap app related? I think not, as in the dock without a battery it should at least start to light up, no?
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No, MOST* smart phones cannot run on AC power alone. They require some charge on the battery in order to boot.
*added the emphasis before someone comes running in because their OG Droid/Nexus One/RAZR/POS flip phone/whatever could run off AC power alone.
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If I'm correct, am I in jeopardy of voiding my warranty as the phone's rooted? (Not that they could tell).. ?
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Rooting your device may void your warranty. Most of the time if it's a physical problem and not related to software, the warranty will still be honored. However, it'll probably be an uphill fight.
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Anything else to try b4 swapping the phone?
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I'd try to get ahold of another battery. I'm willing to bet that yours is defective.
I thought that the Bionic would light up in the dock with the battery removed?
alan
arcopress said:
I thought that the Bionic would light up in the dock with the battery removed?
alan
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Why would it?
The dock is just an AC charger with a stand.
Try fastboot. Rsd lite. Fxz file
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With my Droid X and a dead battery the phone would have to sit about 5 minutes and charge before it would come on at all. Wall charger, not USB via computer.
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its true that the bionic will have to charge for at least a couple minuets to turn back on. i have run mine totally dead and it will not power up untill it has charged for at least three to five plus minuets. although it will light up about three seconds after the charger is pluged in and even show the battery pic and charging. first thing you need to do is with battery back in the phone and a regular charging cable pluged in the phone other end, usb, pluged into your computer run adb or what ever you use and find out if it showes any devices at all being connected. you should be able to see this in the rds also. run rds app, then plug in phone using a rear usb port
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its true that the bionic will have to charge for at least a couple minuets to turn back on. i have run mine totally dead and it will not power up untill it has charged for at least three to five plus minuets. although it will light up about three seconds after the charger is pluged in and even show the battery pic and charging. first thing you need to do is with battery back in the phone and a regular charging cable pluged in the phone other end, usb, pluged into your computer run adb or what ever you use and find out if it showes any devices at all being connected. you should be able to see this in the rds also. run rds app, then plug in phone using a rear usb port
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yep, it's true.
I ran my bionic's battery dry the first day I had it. I was trippin out thinking it was broken or something.
After about 5-10 min of charging, I noticed it had a charging Icon.
I realized that I was upset over nothing.
I put it in the wall charger for the 10th time and noticed after about 10 minutes that it lit up with the boot screen, then the battery icon, which showed 0 percent... then it died. So it does look to be the battery. That's good news, I guess. Should I try to get a replacement from VZW, or spare the cross-exam about rooting and fork out the cash for a new battery?
If you want to spare yourself of the cross exam about root, get a new extended battery. Or if you firmly believe that the battery was defective to begin with, then stand your ground and ask that you be given a new one.
You should be fine taking it in. I would do what has been stated and just get a new battery because if it isn't that then it is a hardware issue and that isn't the roots fault anyways.
Also as a kind of FYI thing, Verizon does not do in store warranty replacements anymore(an exception being if you're within the 14day WFG period and the phone is ruled DOA). VZW, in store, does 5 day(overnight if you have insurance) shipping for free. If you want it sooner, you pay the shipping cost. Further, warranty replacement phones do not come with a new battery. They use the old phone's battery.
Where I'm going with this is always start with the battery in situations like this. That can be warrantied in store on the spot. Also make sure you're going to a corporate location.
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Like most cell phone batteries, they aren't designed to be completely drained.
I recommend charging it full, waiting tell it gets to about 10%, then charge it fully one more time.
After that charge, your battery should last you all day.
No need to waste money on an extend battery.
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Don't worry, you're not the first to have a dead phone. I had to go get a new one after three days.
Couldn't get booted past Motorola splash through any method, and an unlocked bootloader may have helped. But, in the past, and Verizon was happy to hand over a new one.
Wish I had more useful information, but I don't. So, good luck on getting your beast tamed.
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Update...
Went to the VZW store at 9... tech swapped out the battery for a new one. NO GOOD. Nothing.
Probably a good thing, as this way they couldn't void the warranty when they discovered it was rooted
Replaced the phone (17 days after purchase; had to get the mgr to approve a swap)..
Restoring apps as we speak..
Makes one wonder what's up with Motorola's QC dept.
Arg.
So my otherwise adorable 1 year old somehow got his hands on my Captivate this weekend. When we finally caught him, he was chewing and slobbering on it pretty much right where the USB port is. After getting the phone back out of his grubby little hands, my wife and I took it completely apart and have had the whole works soaking in rice for a day or so.
When I put it back together, it booted just fine, and everything seems to be in working order. Except...when I plug a cable into the USB port, it doesn't charge, and it doesn't connect to my computer for storage mounting/flashing. This would be a bit of a problem.
I've checked for obstructions in the port itself and there don't seem to be any. I can get by for now without charging because my wife and I have the same phone (so we can periodically swap batteries...), but she's leaving town for two weeks at the end of this week. I really don't want to have to buy a new phone...so any ideas on fixing this would be greatly appreciated.
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Once the USB port is gone its gone, you would need to get an external wall charger for it and a wifi file browser.
there might be some moister in it yet, but generally the captivates had issues with the USB port just flaking out like that. Its a common problem for this phone, and also has happened to mine.
Or you can just pay ~35$ to get it fixed, look in my sig. They are good!
b-eock said:
Or you can just pay ~35$ to get it fixed, look in my sig. They are good!
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Hmm...I didn't even realize that was an option. I'll be looking into that. Thanks!
They fixed mine and it works great. I would also order a new cable from them for like 7 bucks. It is all well worth it!
interesting, didnt know about that one either
Update:
It's apparently not *quite* as dead as I thought. It's still not recognizing my computer or telling me that it's charging...but apparently it is actually charging my battery. I plugged it into my computer just to see and left it. It never said that the phone is charging, but when I came back a few minutes later the battery meter had gone up, and it's still doing that fairly consistently.
That's at least good news for now. Even if the USB transfer is dead, I'm still OK as long as I can charge. As long as I don't have to use download mode...
That sounds like a bad cable, just buy one of those first, cheaper and easier to check!
b-eock said:
That sounds like a bad cable, just buy one of those first, cheaper and easier to check!
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It's nothing to do with the cable. We have four USB cables and two different car chargers. It's the same thing with all of them, and they all work perfectly on my wife's phone.
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My first Captivate had a USB port go bad.. I tried 10 different cables and decided for some reason it was a ROM issue and got into download mode.. well let's just say I was buying another Captivate the next day.. lol
I did resurrect it by buying a Captivate with a broken screen on Ebay cheap. Combined the two and it's actually a later production and the GPS works good compared to hardly at all before. M yold screen and new guts.. Now I have a spare phone to try new Roms on without messing up my daily driver.. (Dark Knight 4 atm)
I see broke screen Captivates for $40-80 on Ebay regularly..
My wife also has a captivate with a dead USB port. So I went on amazon and searched for captivate batteries and external charger and found a package that came with 2 extended life batteries and the wall charger that charges one separatly from the phone while you use the other in the phine . Its made by Laza wireless and both batteries and charger was 15.99 and shipped free. Got it in two days and works great and was a whole lot cheaper than a phone.
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Sorry to resurrect such an old thread but, I have had the same problem for months also caused by a toddler sucking on the phone and cables. I swap batteries daily. stock/1800/2430 mah. I am curious if anyone knows of a wireless charging option. I know my wii batteries are inductive and it is just the new battery and charger on a stock remote. is there an inductive charger and battery available for cappy? is wireless charging dangerous to the phone if it wasnt designed with it in mind? for that matter is anything available for anyother phones besides the lumia 920 and maybe nexus I think?
cheapest, best option is to get the USB port repaired by mobiletechvideos.com, imho.
I know of no induction solution for captivate that works without a good usb port.
I figured and also thought the Cappy wouldn't be a device supported by a new battery developer when there is so many newer ones out.
Thx
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Hello!
Well, I guess I'm the new (un)lucky owner of my stepfather's Xperia T since he decided Z3 suits him more (not that we are rich, he's just kinda shoppingholic or smth).
I replaced old HTC Wildfire S with it and I was fkin amazed. There was no root or tweak that could ever make that little HTC (who has supported me over the years even after falling in water and all other ****) be even a close match to my shiny new-old XPeria.
However, the phone keeps irritating me with it's charging problems.
I'm an electric engineering student and this crap sounds like connection problem (but I don't wanna admit it to myself), but I still hold your opinions to be very important since well....you guys know this phone through it's soul.
Here is the weird thing...
I got it with it's original charger while I still had a charger I used to charge my HTC. It was some old nokia cable and was charging HTC perfectly, always without a problem, but Xperia always seemed to have a bad connection with it. I tried it's original charger and almost the same. That was bearable until last few days, connection was starting to grow so weak, it took me like half an hour to make the damn phone charge. Worst thing, battery run dry, so can you imagine that feeling when you have to wait 5 seconds before the battery logo does it's animation before you can actually realize if your phone is charging or just "ate a spark".
I've searched on google and many people seem to be having similar, even though much worse problems (phone does not react to the charger at all) and I'm actually afraid that's where my dear Xperia is going.
Weird thing is when I visited my parents last week, I tried plugging it into my mother's charger (S4 charger) the phone started charging immediately, I tried rocking the charger a little left and right, and it didn't seem to distract it.
Tried friend's charger, same problems again!
Can't figure out what the problem might be...I thought it was the cable, then the port, now I don't know what to think of anymore.
Help please!
Thanks guys!
UPDATE:
OK, while I was writing the post and doing other stuff, the phone was charging, I disconnected it now to check for battery level, I succesfully turned it on (no more double red blinking) but the phone just showed PIN screen and Turning off.. note appeared. Which means after half an hour of charging, the battery is at the same level....?
Should I let it charge overnight?
I mean I don't feel comfortable doing it since I can't see the battery and my landlord has no tools in the whole apartment...Maybe the battery might be damaged...
Try your mother's USB cable with your recharger.
I guess it's your USB port that is dying.. .
PS now I know what's a stepfather.. LOL.. Thank you XDA (and thank you Google Translator)
istux said:
Try your mother's USB cable with your recharger.
I guess it's your USB port that is dying.. .
PS now I know what's a stepfather.. LOL.. Thank you XDA (and thank you Google Translator)
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Yeah, I was thinking of doing that, but it's going to be a problem talking her into it
Well, I'm glad you learnt it haha
Wohoo!
Successfully turned it on, after 20minutes of charging it's at 1% and hopefully it's gonna go up!
Oh! In the meantime the phone just turned off again showing empty battery while it was still charging! O.O
FU Sony. Telling my shoppingholic stepdad not to waste money on Z3. -.-
Try to clean the USB port with cotton and alcohol. Maybe it's only some dirt over the metallic contacts.
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Try to clean the USB port with cotton and alcohol. Maybe it's only some dirt over the metallic contacts.
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I'll try it, but still doesn't explain why the battery is still at minimum charge.
I left it to charge overnight, I'll tell you guys if things got better in the morning.
Good night and thanks for help!
Well, couldn't wait. Turned it on again. 32% as we speak.
Let's se what you've got for me this time Xperia...
By the way, I know the battery is most common problem on this cell, it kept restarting for my stepdad, he got the battery replaced already....
Well, fully charged today....who knows what the problem might have been...
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Well, fully charged today....who knows what the problem might have been...
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So the battery is okay.
The problem could be: some dirt, a USB metallic pin bent or broken, the USB port entirely broken, or just an UFO that steals your energy only when you connect it to the recharger
istux said:
So the battery is okay.
The problem could be: some dirt, a USB metallic pin bent or broken, the USB port entirely broken, or just an UFO that steals your energy only when you connect it to the recharger
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Well there has been some UFO activity recently around here, I bet it's them haha