Hello everyone!
Just moved from a P3600 to the P4550 and noticed something strange twice in the last 4 days. When I looked at the display in the morning (phone and WLAN were off overnight.....hardly ever turn on WLAN, as I only use it when travelling) I found that WLAN had switched itself on sometime during the night. What gives?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
This happens to me also if:
(1) ActiveSync is set to "as items arrive" (i.e. push)
(2) There is no phone signal.
Apparently AS looks for the Exchange server, and not being able to find a phone signal, turns on Wifi to see if it can connect like that.
I suppose this will also happen if you have AS set to poll mail at intervals. When the interval time arrives, I guess AS will want to go online and - not being able to use the phone signal - will turn on Wifi.
Very annoying as it drains the battery. It does NOT turn Wifi off after a while.
Oh well.
This happens to me also if:
(1) ActiveSync is set to "as items arrive" (i.e. push)
(2) There is no phone signal.
Apparently AS looks for the Exchange server, and not being able to find a phone signal, turns on Wifi to see if it can connect like that.
I suppose this will also happen if you have AS set to poll mail at intervals. When the interval time arrives, I guess AS will want to go online and - not being able to use the phone signal - will turn on Wifi.
Very annoying as it drains the battery. It does NOT turn Wifi off after a while.
Oh - an afterthought: in CONNECTIONS I have set both programs accessing the net and programs accessing a private network configured to use MY WORK NETWORK. Don't know if fiddling around with that may stop AS turning on WifI.
Should you find a solution, please post coz I would like to fix this bug/feature too.
Hmmm.....if this theory is correct then going to flight-mode instead of just turning the phone off - should effectively not allow any kind of connections.....will check tomorrow....
so im running dutty no. 3 final rom with directpush enabled as items arrive.. now im constantly in H and my battery only lasts 2.5hrs in H mode.. compared to the hermes this is HORRIBLE! any one have any ideas? i know H means highspeed pda.. so im wondering if thats why.. i kno the hermes switched back between 3g/H..H only when downloading but the tilt seems to be H non-stop.. whats going on?
I am still on the stock rom and mine lasts 20-24 hours on average.
Well, you answered your own question. You're using DirectPush, which forces a constant data connection. You're using HSDPA, which is a notorious power hog when transferring data, and you're now using it constantly.
If DirectPush is that important to you (i.e., if you get mail so often that you might as well be in constant communication with the e-mail server, or if the mail is so important that you have to have it now), you'll need to find a way to switch off HSDPA in favor of EDGE or GPRS.
There's really no other option.
i like to feel important thats why i use direct push.. the job doesnt require it.. but they do require to check at least once a hour during normal business hours lol. i suppose to could set it to check every hr... shucks. why would it last all day on my hermes but under 3hrs on my tilt?
I've never got more than 35 hours battery life, with gprs (UMTS disabled), pushemail, and 1-2 hours of music playback...
The battery life is VERY BAD, my wizard's time was about 50-60 hours with same use...
SuperRob said:
Well, you answered your own question. You're using DirectPush, which forces a constant data connection. You're using HSDPA, which is a notorious power hog when transferring data, and you're now using it constantly.
If DirectPush is that important to you (i.e., if you get mail so often that you might as well be in constant communication with the e-mail server, or if the mail is so important that you have to have it now), you'll need to find a way to switch off HSDPA in favor of EDGE or GPRS.
There's really no other option.
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I installed Duttys Comm Mgr with a 3g on off switch and when I am not surfing the web I am on edge. It has helped dramatically with my battery life. My job requires "as items arrive" Direct Push. I can go a whole day without charging on Edge.
3G was recently enabled in my area and I do not get more than 7hrs of batt life with DirectPush active. Before with EDGE I was good for the whole day (>12hrs).
HSDPA is the problem not DirectPush.
Twenty4 said:
I am still on the stock rom and mine lasts 20-24 hours on average.
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can you give a little more detail on your settings with 3g off hdspa off bluetooth on and moderate usage of wifi (less than 20mins a day) and only about 30min of calls i only get between 14-16 hours, any info on how to get the extra battery life would be apreciated
I have 3G, direct push, bluetooth on all day and my Tilt outlasts my TyTN by about 30%. I generally charge every other day with normal use.
well....post ur rom maybe? are u in 3G or H all the time? im constantly in H and havent seen the 3G icon at all..
jakeypoo said:
why would it last all day on my hermes but under 3hrs on my tilt?
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When did AT&T enable HSDPA in your area? It's relatively recent to many metro areas, so it's entirely possible that the Hermes was on Edge 24x7 and what you're seeing is the additional drain of HSDPA and not the change in platform.
But if you're only getting 2.5 hours, there's something else going on. You've an app that's keeping it from going to sleep, you get e-mails every 5 minutes or so, or your battery is bad to begin with.
Sleuth255 said:
I have 3G, direct push, bluetooth on all day and my Tilt outlasts my TyTN by about 30%. I generally charge every other day with normal use.
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Sleuth your running your own cooked ROM for your Tilt aren't you? I loved your ROMS when I had my Hermes.
-McMex
people seem to forget that the mechanism for mobile data is the same as for voice - when you are talking, the phone is just digitising your voice and sending it over the wireless link. Nobody seriously expects 18 hour talk time out of a pocket sized phone, so why do we seem to expect 18 hours of heavy duty data on-line time.
Ok - I know that is a bit simplistic - when you are talking, the data transfer is continuous whereas for ordinary web browsing etc. it is short bursts - but if you are running something which is holding your data link active a lot of the time, you are incurring a similar battery drain to talking - the Kaiser is rated for just over three hours talk time - don't expect 18 hours of push email! And don't forget that the battery drain is simply for running the transmitter in your phone, not for sending the data - sending one byte will consume as much battery as sending a hundred or more - once it decides to send a packet, it is committed to burning charge even if the packet only has one byte in it...
Martin
Just an observation...
I live in the DFW area and my battery life is not up to par with the 8525. I traveled yesterday to a EDGE only area and I noticed a dramatic increase in battery life. Are they related? I dunno at this point, just an interesting observation.
mcmexican said:
Sleuth your running your own cooked ROM for your Tilt aren't you? I loved your ROMS when I had my Hermes.
-McMex
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v1.0 Sleuth General Availability for Kaiser is very close....
jakeypoo said:
well....post ur rom maybe? are u in 3G or H all the time? im constantly in H and havent seen the 3G icon at all..
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That is for sure your issue. The data connection is not only live, but is being used constantly. Turn off direct push and see if it reverts back to 3G. If so, make sure you are not set to use MediaNet as your primary network. Also, be sure to uninstall the hidden proxy (look for the cab that does this in the Cabs thread).
With direct push enabled, my 3G icon only changes to an H when mail is actually coming in.
On my Nokia N95, constant HSDPA connection too chews through the battery as opposed to "plain" 3G; that is, the Kaiser isn't an exception either... It's the best to fall back to GPRS (EDGE) whenever possible.
PerfAlbion said:
When did AT&T enable HSDPA in your area? It's relatively recent to many metro areas, so it's entirely possible that the Hermes was on Edge 24x7 and what you're seeing is the additional drain of HSDPA and not the change in platform.
But if you're only getting 2.5 hours, there's something else going on. You've an app that's keeping it from going to sleep, you get e-mails every 5 minutes or so, or your battery is bad to begin with.
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well on my hermes i had 3G ever since i got it.. but it only went to H when downloading.. so ive had my tilt for 2-3 days now and its always in H.. i know H causes more drain then 3G standby and by far G/E ..funny this is.. i disabled htc home and battery isnt to bad... bout 3% drain every 3mins when connected to H and idle internet connection.
Sleuth255 said:
That is for sure your issue. The data connection is not only live, but is being used constantly. Turn off direct push and see if it reverts back to 3G. If so, make sure you are not set to use MediaNet as your primary network. Also, be sure to uninstall the hidden proxy (look for the cab that does this in the Cabs thread).
With direct push enabled, my 3G icon only changes to an H when mail is actually coming in.
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ive turned off direct push and it still remains H.. ill try disabling the proxy. good call.. will post my results
ok disabled the proxy, turned off push, still have a big H but no more tiny H on the signal bars which means its not connected to the internet but when i soft reset it automatically reconnects.. whats the deal here lol.
ok forgot i had kaiser tweak set to always on.. fixed that, but now im still displaying H havent seen a 3G icon yet.. whats going on lol
Just got a kaiser today. Already I have noticed that after retrieving email or browsing the internet, that 3G HSDPA stay connected, sometimes for hours of non use.
Is there some software that can say disconnect it if unused for 5 minutes?
Thanks.
Because your new I will be nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333898&highlight=turn+data+off
work's a treat and I apprieciate your help. I'm sure it's common knowledge to most, but I'm a kaiser newb. Thanks again.
next time just use search
Does anyone know if the battery life on the Tilt is better when receiving emails on Blackberry Connect versus Exchange? A lot of offices have the ability to connect either way and I was wondering if there was a more efficient way. I currently connect over Exchange and I know moving to BES is a pain but everyone with a Blackberry seems to have rediculous battery life so I'm wondering if it lies in the way it syncs. Thanks
Blackberries have ridiculous battery life because they're not 3G. I have not heard of any battery life difference on the Tilt between using blackberry connect and Exchange.
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Does anyone know if the battery life on the Tilt is better when receiving emails on Blackberry Connect versus Exchange? A lot of offices have the ability to connect either way and I was wondering if there was a more efficient way. I currently connect over Exchange and I know moving to BES is a pain but everyone with a Blackberry seems to have rediculous battery life so I'm wondering if it lies in the way it syncs. Thanks
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I compared blackberry connect vs exchange on two different carriers with my tilt. I found that blackberry connect on tmobile lasted at least two (Edge) days where exchange sync or blackberry connect on at&t results with poor battery life. I tried disabling hspda and the battery life was extended. Unfortunaley disabling hspda does not disable 3g which is how the ATTWS service continued to connect. I could disable 3g, but that disables Edge as well and GPRS is too slow.
I am using BB Connect because my company doens't allow Exchange sync. The battery life is aweful! I cannot use my phone all day without having to charge it whenever I get a chance. I'm not sure how it compares to exchange sync but if I disable BB Connect I can use the phone all day without worries of a dead battery.
I've defaulted to Edge only and there is a noticable difference but it's still nowhere near a blackberry (which can go a weekend without a recharge and a Tilt cannot).
Is is possible to set BB connect to only connect every 'x' number of minutes? I currently use Exchange but I'm changing jobs and have a feeling they only support BB and I want to keep my Tilt.
Hello guys,
this is my first thread here in this forum. I got my TyTN-II 2 Weeks ago, a used device for 99 Euros. A good deal, i think. After playing around with some of the Roms i found here, i found M-Diamond 1.2 to fit most of my needs. When first used the phone, i disliked the behaviour of connecting to hsdpa, 3g or something else that was inside coverage, and not releasing the connection. The longest time i experienced was 3 hours of open but inactive connection. I found out, WMLongLife could help me greatly, together with the option to kill connections when standby is enabled i thought there shouldnt be any connection at last, when i leave the phone unattended with 1 minute auto standby.
But that was an error. Yesterday i was driving around in my car, having paired the phone with my bluetooth car-hifi and while listening to the great sounds of dj doboy i heared these noises from my phone establishing a connection! the noises weren't all the time. it seems it was some sort of keep-alive. no, it wasnt the sound of the phone registering to another antenna. this occured even when i stood in a parking lot. what the hell? i double checked the configurations but everything seemed fine. but why the hell is the phone establishing a connection.
Second issue may depend to the first one, since it touches connections, too. When i reach my Work or my Home, whose access points are stored in my phone, it connects to them... and keeps the connection. all the time! even if its unused. that drains the battery to zero in a very short time. I looked over the configuration of WMLongLife, but found nothing helpful related to switching wlan of when unused. i found one option inside the wifi configuration page, telling windows mobile to switch off wlan after x minutes. i tried the lowest setting and waited. it disconnected and disabled wlan. but instead of re-activating and re-connecting it when trying to use the browser, it used the 3g-connection WMLongLife was establishing automatically (what was correct because i told it to give the browser 3g access when no wlan is connected).
my old nokia (n95) establishes a wlan connection only if needed and kills it when the establishing program closes. too, there was a tool called smartconnect, where the user was able to put a stack of connections and create one single connection out of it, enabling the nokia to choose itself what available connection should be used. i used to put my home wlan in first place, second was the work wlan and third was the mobile net. i tested and trusted this constellation even in standby mode because it does what it promised. one Battery charge lasted about 5 days.
Windows Mobile connects.. to wlan forever, searches wlan networks forever, connects to mobile net sometimes for whatever even if connected to wlan, even if told not to do so, draining both my flatrate and the battery power in an useless way. mail synchronization is enabled any 2 hours only, weather info is disabled. one battery charge lasts a half day when not making any calls. so what keeps windows of connecting all the time?
is there any way to adapt the behavior of the nokia phone to my kaiser? maybe the connection architecture is not able to do this because windows uses its connection points in another way like nokia does. But perhaps there is a tool to do this?
Any suggestions?