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I've tried looking around for the answer to this but I guess I keep missing it. From what I'm good find the only reason one would have an empty Ext. Rom is to have more rom space on the phone. But not even sure what good that would do exactly.
Can anyone share some light and infom me please?
AFAIK
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
On what seems like every phone except the wizard, you can write to the ext rom, install apps to it, etc. That was the case with my old Blue Angel phone, anyway. With the wizard, you can't write to it without trashing it so the only thing it's really good for is when creating a custom rom, you can stick stuff in there to be installed after the flash or hard reset. Then it's basically useless. Woo hoo, huh?
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this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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i am also looking into doing the same thing.. like you mentioned i think the only thing its good for is to have your programs after a hard reset, it would certainly be more conveniant, not to mention i would like to remove some of the cingular garbage that gets added...
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bhang said:
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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I fully agree with you on that. One of the major things I hate about flashing a new rom and having to re-install all the apps 1 by . To be able to hard reset with all the programs install would definitely top notch.
Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
Thanks
sajib said:
Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
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It would be brilliant if someone could do this. But there are different kinds of storage on WM5 devices, which is why the allocation slider between storage and program memory in the memory panel is not operational. So I'm not sure that the recovered memory would be usable as program memory... maybe just add some storage memory. Just not sure...
what we need to do is get a fresh rom, xelencin's 2.25 tmob is what Im thinking of using, then I want to take out
excel
power point
calender
contacts
tasks
file explorer?(it might pay to keep this just in case)
that should be a good start, then Im gonna try to add to the ROM,
Pocket informant
resco explorer and regedit
Hitchhiker
spb pocketplus
I think Im just gonna use the ext rom that comes with the above mentioned rom, so ill add any apps that i cant fit into my "edited" ROM into the EXT rom, i think i should be able to add them to the "stock" extrom
I have tons of reading to do before I think I'll have a rom Im willing to flash to my wiz, is there an emulator for pc to test roms before flashing them?
Is all of this possible, with available tools?, from what Ive read it is but somebody tell me if im wrong...
bhang
im a noob at this... i have only made 1 successful rom so far and it was just the extended rom that i changed.. So let me share some light on yours to the best of my knowledge so far...
Now as far as excel, PP, Calendar, tasks and file explorer.. i think they are actually part of the OS and not in the extended rom. Cause if you take a clean rom with 1 or 2 files in the extended rom like Mulski's then you still end up with all of those programs.. (someone please correct me if im wrong)
And as far as what you want to add.. Yes thats possible, you would need to add those to the extended rom (but not on the device) Do some searching on what you need to to.. there are some great threads out there that give you step by step instructions... which for some reason i cant find at this point in time... was gonna give you the link, but i just spent 30 minutes searching and cant the thread with a pdf of step by step instructions on making a rom...
I think I read that's what Summiter is overall aiming to do. Make so we can choose what we want. I can definitely use a feature like removing powerpoint and the rest of the stuff I never use.
Ok so im a little confused. And trust me its not that difficult to do. Ive read and reread the brilliant walkthrough provided by Faria and it just WOWs me. If i am understanding this correctly, I package the nk.nbf with the stuff that comes with the package that he included. Now that being said im already confused on how to explain what Im trying to do. What I want is a cingular basic phone installation with none of that customization that takes another 10 minutes after the flash or whatever it is. Now with the extended_rom, what gets changed? is it the whole phone or just something to add specific applications (cabs) to your current installation? I have tried all the versions I could find here and realized that these roms are just like a computer, the best one is the one you build yourself. Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be gratefully appreciated.
Sorry about sounding so newbish.
yoz..
They are basic developing skills. WinCE is not hard to figure out, anyone can make great apps with just Visual Studio. M$ hand feeds most of this stuff with a base rom, porting is intermediate work. I'd be impressed if they were developing an OS (no base provided) for computers.
BA_Flash_GOD said:
They are basic developing skills. WinCE is not hard to figure out, anyone can make great apps with just Visual Studio. M$ hand feeds most of this stuff with a base rom, porting is intermediate work. I'd be impressed if they were developing an OS (no base provided) for computers.
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Huh?
Ok lets try this again. Remember, im nottoosmart. I basically want to stop the customization from the packaged version of Cingular 8125 from HTC. I want a bland non marked version of Windows Mobile 5. How to i take all the extras out and when i do that to the extended_rom, is it going format the device and reinstall without the extras?
Ok, I think this is what you are trying to do. When you flash your device with the Cingular 2.25 Rom, which is their most current, or T-Mobile has 2.26. Let your device completley flash, once its complete, and you finish aligning your screen and what not, a message will display on your screen saying that your device will customize in 3 seconds - dont let it customize, do a soft reset before this happens. When it says that it's customizing, thats when it is installing your extended rom. Now remember, without that extended rom, you're going to be missing some carrier settings such as GPRS and MMS. Those are available here somewhere though, just search for 'em.
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Ok, I think this is what you are trying to do. When you flash your device with the Cingular 2.25 Rom, which is their most current, or T-Mobile has 2.26. Let your device completley flash, once its complete, and you finish aligning your screen and what not, a message will display on your screen saying that your device will customize in 3 seconds - dont let it customize, do a soft reset before this happens. When it says that it's customizing, thats when it is installing your extended rom. Now remember, without that extended rom, you're going to be missing some carrier settings such as GPRS and MMS. Those are available here somewhere though, just search for 'em.
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Ok, you hit the nail on the head. I do have those settings and I just have to say one thing......... "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!!"
Beating my head against a wall for 2 days to do this.
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Ok, you hit the nail on the head. I do have those settings and I just have to say one thing......... "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!!"
Beating my head against a wall for 2 days to do this.
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basicly its not that simple
Some do a custom extended rom, so after instal you get the page when your pda is customizing for you, your provider or for settings that someone did for you for that specific build of OS... but some change the files in the build of OS, they add stuff, replace version of apps, and that OSs are not clean, thats why you have all this builds and versions... Couse if they change the basic rom, there is no way to get clean build from that, couse after installing there is no need for customizing it from extended rom since all the files have already been changed in the rom...
P.
Hi everyone! I recently bought a T-mo Wing on ebay and as it's my first pda phone I did exactly the same every newbie does: I've messed things up.
The first problem was that I started to download and install every app I thought I would use. Soon realized that IN FACT I would use 10% of all that ans started uninstalling things. Till there, I was good, but then I found pocket mechanic pro and its "registry tweaker & cleanup" killed my voice command and made the phone loop forever on bootup unless I remove the memory card. Besides, I have memory shortage problems and lots of things I will never use like myFaves, t-zones, tons of icons and silly images .... So my questions are ....Is there any T-mo "official" ROM with all the T-mo stuff removed?? I don't have problems with the rest of the apps and bricking the phone is not an option: I'm latin american!! used wing was really a financial effort for me!! The second question would be: Is there any way to restore the registry keys that pocket mechanic erased?? I know the answers might have been already posted but I've been browsing the forums for about 6 hours with no success ..... Can anyone help me on this??
Thanks
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alvarete62 said:
Hi everyone! I recently bought a T-mo Wing on ebay and as it's my first pda phone I did exactly the same every newbie does: I've messed things up.
The first problem was that I started to download and install every app I thought I would use. Soon realized that IN FACT I would use 10% of all that ans started uninstalling things. Till there, I was good, but then I found pocket mechanic pro and its "registry tweaker & cleanup" killed my voice command and made the phone loop forever on bootup unless I remove the memory card. Besides, I have memory shortage problems and lots of things I will never use like myFaves, t-zones, tons of icons and silly images .... So my questions are ....Is there any T-mo "official" ROM with all the T-mo stuff removed?? I don't have problems with the rest of the apps and bricking the phone is not an option: I'm latin american!! used wing was really a financial effort for me!! The second question would be: Is there any way to restore the registry keys that pocket mechanic erased?? I know the answers might have been already posted but I've been browsing the forums for about 6 hours with no success ..... Can anyone help me on this??
Thanks
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The easiest way to go back is to do a hard reset. (Hold the two softkeys and press the soft reset key.) As far as "official" ROM, there isn't, but there are a lot of third party ROMs. If you hardSPL your phone (which runs the slight risk of bricking your phone) then you brick-PROOF your phone.
Wow!! I can't believe you ...I mean YOU, took som time to answer my post!! I read lots of stuff here made by you. Thanks man! I'm really honored.
The thing is that if I hard reset my wing all the T-mo stuff will be there again, and some of it is non removable. There are lots of pictures and icons that I won't ever use. What if I take the latest T-mo ROM and delete all that without modifying anything else?? I mean, no t-zones, no my faves and no TONS of avatar pictures.... would that be possible?? Again, thanks for answering
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Wow!! I can't believe you ...I mean YOU, took som time to answer my post!! I read lots of stuff here made by you. Thanks man! I'm really honored.
The thing is that if I hard reset my wing all the T-mo stuff will be there again, and some of it is non removable. There are lots of pictures and icons that I won't ever use. What if I take the latest T-mo ROM and delete all that without modifying anything else?? I mean, no t-zones, no my faves and no TONS of avatar pictures.... would that be possible?? Again, thanks for answering
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lol. Thanks for thinking so highly of me.
It's possible, you have to dump the ROM and then recook it, though.
You could also wait for my SuperJustKitchen and build your own custom ROM. ^_^ But either way, you HAVE to HardSPL. There are no ROMs that can be flashed with the stock SPL other than the stock one.
That's exactly what I'm going to do!! I'll wait for your SuperJustKitchen and remove all unneeded stuff from the latest official T-mo Rom. In the meantime, I will try to recover my voice command without hard resetting just for fun. I really don't need it because my spoken english is horrible and by the time it worked, almost never recognized what I said . Anyway, it really annoys me that a supposed registry cleanup made by pocket mechanic messed up the system that way. The Wizcode forum has a solution that actually works just for the full version of MVC. Nor upgrade nor OEM are fixed by that "patch". I would like to know if there's any way to decompile it and make the corrections manually. It's supposed to restore some deleted registry keys but I couldn't find wich ones ....Would that be possible??
If it's a cab, it can turned into a OEM/EXT package which lets you see the registry keys by themselves.
Sorry for the delay....
Hi again! It was not a .CAB .... It was a [email protected] .exe file. Tried to open with winRAR and 7zip but with no success. Finally i found the dump of the .reg file that voice command uses. I was not able to import it (there are some path errors and I know NOTHING about reg scripting), so i had to write all the keys and values manually. It worked!!!! After a soft reset voice command was there! After that I disabled it because my english sucks and VC could not understand what i said ..... but still works!! Still waiting for your kitchen to make a new ROM for my wing .... Thanks again for taking the time to answer me ...
I don't know well, but...
Maybe you can have good luck in hard-resetting and do not enter into customization, but soft-resetting.
Another way is going into Extended ROM and analizing the .cab files there, and erasing some of them (better if you save them into another place).
Please wait till someone "better than me" will confirm those data I told.
On the other way, if you don't like T-Mo ROMs the best you can do is Hard-SPL and flashing a new radio+ROM. You by yourself realized Ivan has good ROM's. And the one I'm using now is also good.
I am looking to learn how to make a G1 rom, and probably theming at somepoint too.
Anyone think this is too hard for a coding novice to approach at this time... or is it something that I could dive head deep into via trial and error... I already have the sources for Android... where else do I need to exactly go from here? is Eclipse required... or any other IDE for that matter?? I just basically want to remove applications and other things from the stock t-mobile build like bluetooth, and the dialer, phone in/out code, and some other things that would make this more like a UMPC.
Ok so I have been searching the forums and I cannot find an exact answer for what I want to change so if this is a problem that had already been solved, please direct me to the thread.
I just recently dl'd the chm binary release and like it. But the on screen keyboard is hard on my eyes.
So my question is how would I go about replacing it with something like, o say the buuf on screen keyboard instead?
HTC_IME is not what I want just to clarify.
And once again, I apologize if this has already been threaded...
There is no way that none of you know this...
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There is no way that none of you know this...
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We could help you, but it is a 3rd party keyboard. What keyboard is it?
I'm not really sure. After installing the HTC_IME, I now have 2. Htc keyboard and android keyboard. If I knew how to take a screenie, I would but I don't.
As far as I know, its the on screen keyboard I've had since I rooted...
The keyboard that comes with chm binary is what I want to change...
well, I know how to modify the look of the builtin keyboard, but I haven't messed with 3rd party stuff.
The stock keyboard can be changed by theming. They're just png files, although the .9.pngs make it a little bit more complicated.
Well I kinda figured as much but what I'm really trying to ask is where do I find them?
They're in framework-res.apk on the phone. If you extract this file they'll be under res/drawable/
The filenames are btn_keyboard*.png
By using metamorph or creating an update.zip style theme you can change these and apply a theme to the phone. Theming is a real pain, but I think it's worth learning how to do.
Ya, I have already pieced together a blackbar to my liking so I'm well aware of the hassles it is to do. I'll be learning the .9's as soon as I get my pc parts back from rma and then I'll try to put out a skin.
Thanks bud, I'll look into this tomorrow after I've slept...
If you want to do this easily, download the buff keyboard skin for better keyboard, and take the .9.pngs from there.
Wow! Now that should have been said at the very beginning. Good thing I was too busy today to get to that. Cloverdale, you just saved me a few hours of frustration. still though, I thank the both of you for the help. I will update the thread when I have success so everyone knows its solved!
Ps- anyone else try to read the forums on your phone? Its a little tricky...
Sorry for the off topic comment but I felt the need...
ok so I couldn't really find a way to download the better keyboard/buuf theme on the pc so I went and tried swapping the btn-keyboard---'s and noting happened after add.
So now I'm on the hunt for the better keyboard dl
I don't know where to look for the file when dl'ing to phone so if all else fails, I guess I could dl to phone and then search for it by folder by painstaking folder...
Update - I cannot for the life of me find the file on the web or on the phone. I dl'd from marketplace but I must not be very smart cause I don't know where marketplace stores stuff...
Downloading the better keyboard theme was supposed to save me grief but in fact, it did the exact opposite...
Update - Well I thought by removing the btn_keyboard_key.xml would solve my problem considering the BUUF skin does not contain one. Same nasty black and blue keyboard. All the buuf keyboard .--- are there so I'm confused once again.
I do not want to install another pay-for app and I don't want the entire buuf theme as of now so I will wait till later today after sleep and try again.
Unless someone knows exactly what's wrong. I'm doing everything I can to keep this 3 month old drywall from having holes in it...
I thought the black bar mod was hard to do... hahaha! That was a cake walk compared to this...
Update - Removing the xml's to the keyboard was a bad idea. It forced closed the android keyboard cause it wanted to change the language to latin or something like that. Touch Input keyboard (HTC_IME) will still work though and I made backups so all of this is just a learning experience for me.
...This is so not like modding and skinning a moto. Way more complicated. So much can go wrong.
Which reminds me, how do I view the .xml's with win7? Never done it before...
So does anyone have any other ideas? Maybe there's something I've been missing this whole time?
I have replaced the btn_keyboard--- files in the framework-res.apk like I was told to do and there is no effects... at all. Positive or negative...
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So does anyone have any other ideas? Maybe there's something I've been missing this whole time?
I have replaced the btn_keyboard--- files in the framework-res.apk like I was told to do and there is no effects... at all. Positive or negative...
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Well the only other place I can think of is the LatinIME.apk, but I'm not sure about that one
You know, that almost makes sense cause when I removed the .xml for the keyboard to make it match with buuf, the phone kept screaming at me about ..... latin something. So I will check this out and let you know.
But now I have a new problem. I think I need to remove a few applications cause my phone keeps force closing everything after reboot due to an update.zip file. So once I conquor this then I'll start working on the original problem...