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OZ IM aim tilt issues

Is it me or does the OZ IM client that comes with the AT&T Tilt not work right when you talk to other people?
My friend has the real AIM client on his Mogul and I tried to chat with him via OZ IM and all he sees is blank messages.
I tried Agile and it works great. I have to buy it though, so...I tried the AIM client (from the UK site) and it works too, but it's crap because the notifications are bad and it seems like an old program.
Any ideas?

its bc Oz IM uses text messaging instead of data and the mobile version of aim doesnt support text messaging.

Which IM service you using? MSN, AIM? I don't use AIM or Yahoo, but I do use MSN form time to time. Windows Live works just fine for that, and uses data, not SMS.

I wanted to use AIM. I have an unlimited data plan and that's the reason I wanted to use data instead of SMS. Any way to make this client work? Don't want to buy Agile.

MakaveliReturns said:
I wanted to use AIM. I have an unlimited data plan and that's the reason I wanted to use data instead of SMS. Any way to make this client work? Don't want to buy Agile.
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Yup, dont use the OZ client. Download Palringo or Octrotalk.. Both free. both will work with AIM and all the other clients and use data.

drellmsu said:
Yup, dont use the OZ client. Download Palringo or Octrotalk.. Both free. both will work with AIM and all the other clients and use data.
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Thanks. I gave the Palgrino app a try, which one do you recommend?
Works!!

Palgrino is working for me. its quick and stays connected even when minimized.

I use Slick. It works really well and uses data.

Hi:
Do any of these have smilies?
I just installed Palringo, and it looks very nice, but no smilies.
Thanks!
PS: I don't mind paying for it, if it has a nice enough interface, and smilies. Palringo looks amazing, it's exactly what I am looking for except for the smilies.

Beejive had it on my blackberry untill i got the tilt. works like a charm for me and it shows notifications and smilies and supports all clients
http://www.beejive.com/wm6/index.php

The problem in my eyes with the applications that use DATA connections instead of SMS, is that while logged in, now my Tilt has to maintain a live data connection with the network.
What I like about an SMS version is that no matter where I am, 3G, Edge, it just works over SMS. True it's not as "responsive" as a data connection, but it's mobile IM. What do you expect?
On that note, since I'm running aftermarket cooked ROM, does anyone have the OZ IM client that the tilt shipped with available?

aim cab

can someone post the aol instant messanger cab from the att tilt ext rom or from anywhere else for that matter. thanks

Lol... I am trying to figure out how to get the Tilt AIM back too after cutting out the AT&T installed apps.

try this one http://rapidshare.com/files/73072488/aim_2.0_for_PPC_by_aagung.rar.html

Original AIM. MSN, Yahoo Cab from ATT?
Anyone have the cab that can install the original chat features from the ATT version of the tilt?

jesseasi said:
Anyone have the cab that can install the original chat features from the ATT version of the tilt?
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look here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=XDA-LiveTiltAddonFiles

Do you mean the OZ app? You can download that off medianet.

How can I connect to these built-in messengers using wifi instead of data connection?

its in the Kaiser Cab collection fount here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332438
its the OZ_Instant_messenger plugin on this page: http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/index.php?path=Kaiser+Cab+Collections/
and to save time i attached the cab
EDIT:
raca in the CommManager turn on the wifi if you already havent, then go into settings > connections > wifi and add your stuff in there

does anybody know if this app uses txt messages or data?

I can't say for certain, but the TMobile MDA has a similar app by the same name, and that one uses sms.....

The AT&T app uses SMS messages.
If you're looking for one that uses 3G or WiFi, you will need to shell out some $$ for Agile Messenger or another similar program.

about tmobile aim oz working with tilt as txt msging
just incase if anyone was wondering about tmobile & this (i tried this forever) It doesn't work. I tried all of the cabs. I spoke to someone who worked at a store and they said as soon as my phone was unlocked, oz messenger aim will not work anymore... (used to have a tmo dash and my aim really did stop working after unlocking it) it would be awesome if someone could figure this one out..

I use agilemobile for AIM, ICQ, Google-chat and more.
Pretty impressive BTW

I was thinking that perhaps the problem is that I have the cingular hidden proxy disable. Can anyone comment on this? You can just put a proxy into the settings of AIM alone, but I'm not sure what to enter. If someone can let me know, I'd appreciate it, and will test it.

OZ messenger sucks I think. I use Palringo and it's free.
OZ uses SMS so for everyone "HI how you doing buddy" you send you use one text message.
To my knowledge and looking at my bill Palringo uses data and not sms.

use aim 2.0

gqstatus0685 said:
OZ messenger sucks I think. I use Palringo and it's free.
OZ uses SMS so for everyone "HI how you doing buddy" you send you use one text message.
To my knowledge and looking at my bill Palringo uses data and not sms.
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Your right, palringo uses data. But it still has major flaws. If you log in more than 5 or 6 times in a row it doesn't allow you to log back in again. Which is really stupid, because why would I be AIM/Yahoo/whatever if no one is online? So I sign off.
Idk, I still use it but it sucks.

I use OctroTalk works fine for me
free all in one IM client has AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, Jabber, and Google talk

rico002 said:
try this one http://rapidshare.com/files/73072488/aim_2.0_for_PPC_by_aagung.rar.html
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i tried this cab a while back and it didnt work

i still can not IM

Internet Programs

Hi everyone
I was just wondering about what are cool program that you could use on the wing using the Data plan ( internet).
I currently have http://www.palringo.com/ which is a messenger program that runs on with data plan. It really nice program and for people that like to chat with aim, msn messenger etc...It doesn't require TXT plan.
I was also wondering about my mail. When i go to the AIM site to check my mails only see text, not picture what so ever..Is there something wrong with my phone or is just not mean to be??

aad4321 said:
is it an @aim.com? im sure thats a pop3 email account. Google pop3 settings for an aim account, and you can set it up so it uses the mail application on the phone, instead of using internet explorer. you can also set it to check for mail automatically anytime you want
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Hi i kind of follow about what you said and instead of me cheking my emails on the internet explorer(My wing), I set up the email on my phone..So now i get my message on my phone directly but most of the picture theu dont display.. So i told my friend to send me a picture to my email, when i got the email and the attachment. I couldnt download the attch. or view it.. So i told him to send it as when you insert a picture . When i got the new messg. i saw the picture but i wasnt able to sae it to my phone.
** is there any plug-in for these **

AIM/e-mail problems with AT&T Tilt

I have a new AT&T Tilt, straight out of the box with no modifications. I have it set up to track my Yahoo email account and my AIM account. However, both of them have big problems updating. On AIM, it takes almost a half-hour to receive or send a message after the message is actually sent. The email client is also telling me there are no new emails, even though I actually received emails in that account over four hours ago. I'm using the default IM client for AIM, because I have unlimited SMS with my plan, and I need to have AIM open all the time and be able to receive IMs even when the phone is asleep. I don't see why it should take this long regardless, considering I have three (or at least two) bars on EDGE at all times.
Does anyone else have this problem and/or know how to fix it, is possible? I need to be able to send and receive IMs and e-mails instantly at any time, and if the Tilt can't do that, then I need to find a different phone, which is a shame, because I really like the other features and the phone in general.

are you paying for your internet service?

Yes, I have a plan with unlimited data and SMS.

What is the deal with this phone? I just sent an email and it arrived over three hours later. I am required to have working email for my job, and this can hardly be considered working. What is wrong here? I don't see how all the other working professionals here can possibly be accepting of this and still consider it a good phone if it can't even handle simple email and IM. This is insane, considering no other phone offered by AT&T has this many useful features, and if I have to replace this phone it will certainly be a downgrade.

I don't think anyone else is having the same problems as you, which is why you're not finding anyone agree with your complaints.
Usually if you send an email and it arrives late, it's usually because of etiher the sending or receiving mail server, not because of the sending device. I have confidence that the email got from your phone to the email server just fine, and in a very reasonable amount of time.
Also, is there no 3G in your area?

AIM (instant messaging, not email) has always been delayed on all of the windows mobile devices I have used over the years (& on both Tmobile & at&t).
ATT is much faster than Tmob, but there is still a huge delay. That's why I stopped using IM'ing altogether.
As for emails, I set up an exchange email address on my website because for the last couple of weeks I have been unable to send or receive any emails through my AOL account. I have been going back & forth with AOL's tech support this whole time. My emails worked for a just one day during this whole time, & hasnt worked since! Whenever somebody emails me it tells them my mailbox is full even though I only have 29 emails! I erased all of the messages in my spam, sent & trash folders & still nothing. My AOL is what I have been using for many years for everything, its even on my website & all of my business card!
No as for the delayed messages, you may want to look into Push mail (using an exchange server). Do a search for it here & you'll see there are quite a few solutions (some free, some not). Push mail is essentially "instant" if you set it up that way & have decent reception.

I don't see how there could be problems with the email server, I'm using Yahoo mail, and I can send/receive emails fine with my PC, but if I email someone from my phone it take hours for them to get it, and if I receive an email, it takes hours for it to show up on the phone (though it still appears in my inbox instantly if I access it from my PC).
DJayRage, I'm not talking about delayed IMs, I'm talking about it would be FASTER for me to get in my car, drive across the state and tell them personally.
Also, I was told there was 3G in my area, but whenever I scan for service it auto-connects to EDGE, so I assume that's not the case.
I wish I could blame this on something other than my phone, but when it doesn't work, and nobody else is having this problem, I don't see what else there is to blame. Everything on my phone is stock. I'm using the Xpress mail thing or whatever it's called, and the 3-in-1 IM client that comes with the phone, so there aren't any 3rd party mods or anything that could be interfering.

Oh that may be your problem (Xpress mail). When I purchased my Tilt a couple of month's ago the ATT salesman told me not to use it because they've had nothing but problems with it. He wasn't specific, & I didn't ask what problems they were having. I use the built in mail app & that works fine for me. I get my Gmail, my Push mail & my AOL (when it's working) through there with no problems.

How do I do that? On the phone and in the instruction manual it said I needed to get the Xpress mail to check my yahoo mail. Also, do you think that using the built-in AIM client is what is causing the slowness, and that a 3-rd party app would work better?

Click on the envelope button on the button right hand side of your device. That opens up the default WM messaging application.
Once in there click menu - tools - new account. That's where you setup your accounts & options (since you want your emails sent & received as quickly as possible make sure to select "send & receive every 5 minutes". Also check off the the box in adanced settings that says "send mail when I click send" or something like that). Those options may drain your battery faster but that's about as quick as you can get emails, short of using a PC or setting up a Push Mail type account.
I never even opened up the manual that came with my Tilt. Any questions I had with my device I found answers for them here by searching (hint...)
Have you checked if you have 3G in your area?
I've yet to use the AIM app on my Tilt so I can't help you with that. Everytime I log-in to AIM I get random rappers spamming me trying to get me to check out their music.

How do I check if I have 3G in my area? Whenever I connect to the internet and it says searching for EDGE/3G, it always just connects to EDGE, so I assumed I don't get 3G. It's actually weird because other people have told me that we do get 3G around here.

Where are you located? You can check here to see if your area has 3G
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp

DJayRage said:
Click on the envelope button on the button right hand side of your device. That opens up the default WM messaging application.
Once in there click menu - tools - new account. That's where you setup your accounts & options (since you want your emails sent & received as quickly as possible make sure to select "send & receive every 5 minutes". Also check off the the box in adanced settings that says "send mail when I click send" or something like that). Those options may drain your battery faster but that's about as quick as you can get emails, short of using a PC or setting up a Push Mail type account.
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When I push the envelope button, it brings me to the same thing it brings me for my old email account. There is no Tools option in the menu, and when I click the new account button on the screen, it gives me the same setup I went through to set up my current account after installing the xpress mail thing. There is also no option in the options menu for the s&r every 5 mins or the other thing, either.

.......bump?

i use im+ for iming. Its realtime and im on edge network with T-Mobile and no delays.
as for the email... maybe your push setting is at every few hours?

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Sorry for the delayed response but I'm still not getting my aol emails, which is what I registered on here with. Can you install Capsure (free app that you will find here with a quick search) & send me a screen shot of what your email inbox looks like? I never used Xpress mail, but it sounds like Xpress Mail took over the Envelope button so it goes there instead of the WM6 Inbox (default).
You may try reassinging it start > settings > personal > buttons > (mine shows button 2 assigned to "messaging", what does yours show?).
PS my email address that you can send the screen shot to is rage at djayrage.com

By the way there's an ATT store by my job & the sales guys come into the building I work at all the time (dropping off phones to clients) so I asked one of the them the other day more details about Xpress Mail (this was the same guy that sold me my phone & told me NOT TO use Xpress Mail).
He said Xpress Mail fetches your emails, stores it somewhere on ATT's server's, & then eventually "pushes" it to your device. (Opposite operation for emails being sent). So that may be what is causing the lengthy delays. You may have new emails sitting in your email providers inbox, but they may not be on Xpress Mail's servers yet.
Just use the default Messaging application & cut out the middle man (Xpress Mail).

Well, it was set to messaging, so I guess it wasn't using Xpress Mail after all, regardless, I uninstalled Xpress Mail, deleted my email account, and added it again, so hopefully it will work better this time.
I will also try IM+ as well and see if it works better.

Any updates? How's your emails working now?

Windows Live for Windows Mobile....How I'm being billed....

I been reading other threads and i cannot find an answer. I even called att and they were no help.
I installed the windows live for windows mobile version 10.6.0034.0800 fixed.
When i'm using this messenger, how i'm being billed. Data? or Text message?
I have a unlimited data plan, so i'm hoping i'm not being charged per message. Can anyone help me with this question.
Thanks

The Tilt has Oz Messenger on it which has WLM, AOL, and Yahoo which connects via their phone network and it counts as SMS for every message you send/receive. With the Windows Live Messenger cab, it depends actually, if you are connecting through the ATT network then it's considered SMS but if you connect to the net Wi-Fi, no charges except whatever you pay for Wi-Fi (like pay hotspots)
Alemaker

I'm not using the oz messenger with the provided windows live. I'm using another version of the messenger that i found in another thread.
10.6.0034.0800 fixed. version

best way to go then. The Oz Messenger only connects through the ATT network whereas the Windows Live Messenger cab you installed can use either the ATT network or Wi-Fi.That's what I'm using also. Here's another little catch. If you connect using the ATT network(which is then an SMS for each message) if you start a conversation with someone internationally, you are charged international text rates.
Found that out the hard way when a friend in Germany started a convo with me!!

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With the Windows Live Messenger cab, it depends actually, if you are connecting through the ATT network then it's considered SMS but if you connect to the net Wi-Fi, no charges except whatever you pay for Wi-Fi (like pay hotspots)
Alemaker
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Seriously? I assumed the live messenger cab would use the data connection, not SMS. Does it really send via SMS when on network and wifi when off?

Alemaker said:
best way to go then. The Oz Messenger only connects through the ATT network whereas the Windows Live Messenger cab you installed can use either the ATT network or Wi-Fi.That's what I'm using also. Here's another little catch. If you connect using the ATT network(which is then an SMS for each message) if you start a conversation with someone internationally, you are charged international text rates.
Found that out the hard way when a friend in Germany started a convo with me!!
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Well....
I'm screwed, thanks for your help.
anyone else ?

Unless they changed it really recently, I tested it-on ATT=SMS, I barely text anyone and when my friend I.M.'ed me from Germany, all those showed on my bill as international SMS-on Wi-Fi=no charges
That's why I dumped Oz Messenger

are you still using the windows messenger cab?

Yup I'm using the exact one you listed. I just try not to use it while I'm on the ATT network cuz I only have the 200 message plan but it doesn't matter to me as alot of times I'm in a area with Wi-Fi so I just disconnect the ATT data connection and connect via Wi-Fi

gai-jin said:
Seriously? I assumed the live messenger cab would use the data connection, not SMS. Does it really send via SMS when on network and wifi when off?
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It's easy to check,
Just start a conversation with someone using Windows Live Messenger on your phone and write down the exact time and date then check your next bill. All data and texts are time stamped on the bill.

Alemaker said:
It's easy to check,
Just start a conversation with someone using Windows Live Messenger on your phone and write down the exact time and date then check your next bill. All data and texts are time stamped on the bill.
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So as long as i use wifi i dont have to pay right?
and how do u disconnect the att connection?

correct; and just click on the 3G or Edge icon and a small menu will show up with a disconnect option button, if you are using a cooked ROM, then open Comm Manager directly and disconnect the data connection.

Alemaker said:
correct; and just click on the 3G or Edge icon and a small menu will show up with a disconnect option button, if you are using a cooked ROM, then open Comm Manager directly and disconnect the data connection.
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K....
Thanks

Windows Live using SMS?!? I don't use MSN messinger very often, but I don't remember it using SMS, it uses data.

the version of the messenger that i have i believe is the one the one that comes with the new windows mobile 6.1. I know that the messenger that came with my tilt uses sms messages instead of data. I guess i will be using OCTRO TALK.
Any other messenger suggestions?

GWelker62 said:
Windows Live using SMS?!? I don't use MSN messinger very often, but I don't remember it using SMS, it uses data.
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As this seems to need clarification, I spoke with ATT data tech support and per ATT, when you use an I.M. client directly ( not going to the net and using a web based I.M.) it is billed as I.M. which is text.
If you connect to the net with MediaNet and then go to WL Mobile website or Yahoo website etc. and use I.M. web-based, it is data, but directly connecting with the WLM cab or the proprietary Oz I.M., it is billed as text even though it uses the MediaNet connection.

ATT Tilt here and using the latest WL (10.6.0034.0800 fixed) and .0600 before it. On an unlimited data connection (PDA Personal Max I believe).
I use it regularly and never see any text message usage - I have read numerous postings that back that up? I'm not saying I don't believe what Alemaker is saying, I just find it hard to believe. I've just never had it use my text messages and neither have any of the other folks in my office (7 of us here with Tilt's and all using with IM).
NOTE - If you use the built in OZ IM, yes it will use sms text messages. This is not Windows Live though. It is an app that allows you to connect to the major IM networks. WL is designed to use an internet connection (IE Data, Wifi, etc.).

That's fine-I have seen billed as text them from international I.M.'s and to be honest, the CSR's at ATT gave me conflicting answers themselves, one said data, one said text and one even said billed same as e-mail(data). So that's why I contacted data tech support. And if it truly does turn out to use data-all the better. Just stating what I have seen. I don't I.M. mobile alot to begin with but just I.M.'ed someone using the WLM cab app and will look at my next bill

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I use it regularly and never see any text message usage - I have read numerous postings that back that up? I'm not saying I don't believe what Alemaker is saying, I just find it hard to believe. I've just never had it use my text messages and neither have any of the other folks in my office (7 of us here with Tilt's and all using with IM).
NOTE - If you use the built in OZ IM, yes it will use sms text messages. This is not Windows Live though. It is an app that allows you to connect to the major IM networks. WL is designed to use an internet connection (IE Data, Wifi, etc.).
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I agree... What the others are saying about Windows Live Mobile (replaced Mobile MSN) I can't agree with. Windows Live syncs my Hotmail and has a mobile MSN messinger client. And so far I haven't seen it use SMS for IMs.

knight2424 said:
I been reading other threads and i cannot find an answer. I even called att and they were no help.
I installed the windows live for windows mobile version 10.6.0034.0800 fixed.
When i'm using this messenger, how i'm being billed. Data? or Text message?
I have a unlimited data plan, so i'm hoping i'm not being charged per message. Can anyone help me with this question.
Thanks
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if you are using that version of WLM then i can garuntee you that you are using data and not text. There are several clients that support WLM including oz messenger that use texts, but the windows mobile version you described definitely uses data.