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MS voice command vs Voice Speed dial

Hello
can somebody help me understanding the difference betwenn Voice command and speed dial and if I can use both on the same PDA ?
So far I understand that
- Speed Dial dials numbers and start programs by using voice tags
- you need to train each name to be recognized
- there is no true voice recognition
- Voice command dials numbers and starts programs by voice recognition
- in addition VC reads calendar entries and SMS/E-Mail
- there is no training mode to increase accurancy
So which program would provide better results for recognize and dial numbers by voice ?
Can I run both in parallel and use VC for the calendar function and Voice speed dial for the dialing ?
Plus I try to install VC 1.6 now .. but the button maps only to the explorer button on my TytnII .. not able to move him to the voice record button with the button application in settings
any suggestion / fix
Thanks freecall

freecall said:
not able to move him to the voice record button with the button application in settings
any suggestion / fix
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I have the same problem.... any solution?!?!?!?

Cyberon is crap. I posted a detailed procedure for replacing it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337501

I have installed Cyberon voice commander v2.0 and i am very happy with it when i use it with my bluetooth!!!
My only problem is that i do not know how to assign this program to the default "button 6".
I think default settings are:
"Button 6" --> Cyberon voice commander and
"Button 6 (Hold)" --> Record. (This one works).

hmm that sounds like a drastic deinstall .. so anyway to get the Voice speed dial back without doing a full hard reset if I would it like better than VC after some testing ?
Freecall

M$ Voice Command ROCKS!
Ok I don’t say that about many applications especially M$ ones but I love VC. I keep my phone in its case and the BT ear piece in the ear, when the phone rings or I get a Text message VC tells me who is calling or reads the text to me. If I have an appointment but don’t recall what time it is, I just ask VC.
As far as accuracy in voice dial, it can’t be beat, say “Call: Joe Blow on mobile phone” and it will confirm “Call Joe Blow on mobile?” never misses. Say; “Dial 2125551212” and it will confirm and dial the number. No voice tags no training and it works for anyone. If my wife grabs my phone and needs to call someone she hits the VC button and off she goes.
Ok so there is one issue, with the Tilt there is no convenient button to map too, but since I do all my dialing from the BT headset or car unit it doesn’t matter to me. If you don’t mind it maped to your IE soft key ok, you can get to IE 3 or 4 other ways. On my old wizard (long live the wizard) I had it mapped to the record button and it worked great.
Russ741

Russ741 said:
Ok I don’t say that about many applications especially M$ ones but I love VC. I keep my phone in its case and the BT ear piece in the ear, when the phone rings or I get a Text message VC tells me who is calling or reads the text to me. If I have an appointment but don’t recall what time it is, I just ask VC.
As far as accuracy in voice dial, it can’t be beat, say “Call: Joe Blow on mobile phone” and it will confirm “Call Joe Blow on mobile?” never misses. Say; “Dial 2125551212” and it will confirm and dial the number. No voice tags no training and it works for anyone. If my wife grabs my phone and needs to call someone she hits the VC button and off she goes.
Ok so there is one issue, with the Tilt there is no convenient button to map too, but since I do all my dialing from the BT headset or car unit it doesn’t matter to me. If you don’t mind it maped to your IE soft key ok, you can get to IE 3 or 4 other ways. On my old wizard (long live the wizard) I had it mapped to the record button and it worked great.
Russ741
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I have to agree with Russ. Microsoft Voice Commander is by far the best ~$17.00 I have spent for this phone, as well as the 8125 I had before this. The Voice regconition is awesome. I did have to change the buttons as described above. I chose the camera button as I never use the camera anyway. It works great with my HT700(headset) as well as the HT820(bluetooth headphones). The options allow for a good level of customization as well.

that sounds realy good and I will start testing it .Two quick questions to the comments above:
- have you installed VC without deleting / un-installing Voice speed dial on your Kaiser ?
- second it looks my device recognize all VC commands like time, date , help , signal etc but when I say call First Name Last Name it never finds any of my 590 contacts .. even it the name is as simple as Taxi G7 .. beep comes back empty .
When I say just call .. it dials a number I do not even recognize.
Can this be related that I do not have a option menu for contact in the VC settings (it is greyed ) , I can only select the notification button ?
Or is this maybe because I use PI 2007 ?
Thanks Freecall

freecall said:
that sounds realy good and I will start testing it .Two quick questions to the comments above:
- have you installed VC without deleting / un-installing Voice speed dial on your Kaiser ?
- second it looks my device recognize all VC commands like time, date , help , signal etc but when I say call First Name Last Name it never finds any of my 590 contacts .. even it the name is as simple as Taxi G7 .. beep comes back empty .
When I say just call .. it dials a number I do not even recognize.
Can this be related that I do not have a option menu for contact in the VC settings (it is greyed ) , I can only select the notification button ?
Or is this maybe because I use PI 2007 ?
Thanks Freecall
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freecall,
Right now i have both installed (getting ready to delete Voice Dial) and VC is partially functional. I will accept commands and process them correctly but it will not announce calls, read messages or calendar data. So once i have VD removed I will let you know.
I recommend you also remove voice dial before trying anymore tests.
Russ741

Russ741 said:
freecall,
Right now i have both installed (getting ready to delete Voice Dial) and VC is partially functional. I will accept commands and process them correctly but it will not announce calls, read messages or calendar data. So once i have VD removed I will let you know.
I recommend you also remove voice dial before trying anymore tests.
Russ741
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I did not uninstall Voice Dial. IF you want to hear the calls and emails, make you configure VC properly. There is settings for only:
1.) Only announce during Free-Time. Make sure you check that one to whatever you want.
2.) Only High Priorty Emails get annouced. Again, check whichever option you want.

Where do I get a list of commands that VC will recognize? E.G Dial, Recall, on Mobile, etc.

Say "What can I say?" and you'll have your answer...

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Where do I get a list of commands that VC will recognize? E.G Dial, Recall, on Mobile, etc.
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or go to the Microsoft website and look up VoiceCommand 1.6 for PPC. The list is really quite long!
Russ741

Any ideas Gang?
So, after following the thread for removing voice dialer and remapping the PTT button to become button 6 and button 6 (hold) VC is still not announcing incoming calls (and yes I have configured the options!) anyone have any idea why it would perform 90% of its duty and not the last 10%?
Russ741

Are you sure it's not announcing them, or is it possible it's announcing them through the "wrong" speaker? If you've got it set to use BT, BT, and only BT, then all of the announcements go through the headset, or don't get made if it's not currently connected (like walking out of range and then back in).
I tweaked mine to announce only through the speaker, then turned it off because the robot voice annoyed me, but at first I thought it wasn't working...

One question about VC...
Do you have to say the person's full name to dial them? Let's say I have a contact name John Smith, do I have to say "Call John Smith Mobile", or can I program nicknames somewhere within the software so I can say something like "Call Smitty"?

It's based on the contact name, so "Call Smitty" will confuse it.

Is it possible to send messages just using voice or only receive them?

jackjohnson said:
One question about VC...
Do you have to say the person's full name to dial them? Let's say I have a contact name John Smith, do I have to say "Call John Smith Mobile", or can I program nicknames somewhere within the software so I can say something like "Call Smitty"?
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It is based on what ever names you have in contacts so, for example if I want to call my office I say; "Call work" since there is only one number in the contacts database VC doesnt ask for Mobile, home or work. And since my office is just listed as First Name: Work Last Name: <blank> it understands.
Russ741

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Is it possible to send messages just using voice or only receive them?
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I simply reads the text or email to you, so there is no way to compose a message with VC.
Russ741

Saving two cell phone numbers under a contact

Hi,
I was wondering, if it is possible to save two mobile/ cell numbers under one contact, so when you are typing his/ her name in the new message page, both of them show up as options.
Thanks!

I don't think this is possible in Windows Mobile messaging.
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Add recipient let's you pick the number though.

Ugh!
Crap...i know a lot of people who have two cell phones..primarily different cell numbers for different countries when they are travelling..i wish there was a way to store two cell numbers under one contact

yep most my contacts have 2 mobiles as well. some have 4 or more. I store em under the other fields like car, work2 etc etc. I guess we just have to work with what we have.

I think WM does not smart than Symbian in this. every cell phone or work phone or home phone number can use to send message

Umm
Right, I guess. But when you are typing an SMS, and you write a person's name in Windows mobile, by default only his cell phone number shows up. All other numbers, you need to go into the contact, copy the number and then paste it in your messaging window and then send it...unless there's a better way..(which I have no clue about!)...

Inesoft Address Book allows you to enter as many numbers for one contact as you want. Every number can have any label.

Awesome!
Thanks! I'll check it out!

jatin.ahuja said:
Right, I guess. But when you are typing an SMS, and you write a person's name in Windows mobile, by default only his cell phone number shows up. All other numbers, you need to go into the contact, copy the number and then paste it in your messaging window and then send it...unless there's a better way..(which I have no clue about!)...
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instead of typing the name at once. hit enter. you'll be given your whole contact list. now start typing the name. select it and you will be given the option to select from all the numbers in the contact's card. so basically you just add 1 step to the process.

wow
i never knew we could do that! Thank you! Beats installing additional software!

jatin.ahuja said:
i never knew we could do that! Thank you! Beats installing additional software!
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glad to help

Searching in contacts

Have a peculiar problem whenever i search for a contact.
i use the phone keyboard with t9.
On a few occasions i get numbers regardless of what letter im typing in, and this is genius because the number 1 gets hit on a-b-c and the number 1 in any number and the letter in any name...
But i cant find å way to figure out how the settings should be for this to be enabled?
This seems to work in the phone log but not for every contact, but as said earlier ive managed to get this function for the entire contact list when fumbling around a bit..
Anyone?

plugg3n said:
Have a peculiar problem whenever i search for a contact.
i use the phone keyboard with t9.
On a few occasions i get numbers regardless of what letter im typing in, and this is genius because the number 1 gets hit on a-b-c and the number 1 in any number and the letter in any name...
But i cant find å way to figure out how the settings should be for this to be enabled?
This seems to work in the phone log but not for every contact, but as said earlier ive managed to get this function for the entire contact list when fumbling around a bit..
Anyone?
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it depends on where the focus(cursor) is, if it on the list then you'll have digits and search in Contacts, if your cursor in TextBox over the list, then you'll have just T9

So this means there is no way to get this function to f.ex in new/reply sms/mms/email ?

plugg3n said:
So this means there is no way to get this function to f.ex in new/reply sms/mms/email ?
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why not ? when you click to the address line you'll see the same windows as in Contacts

ohh, got it now, would still be nice if this var standard and you could just type inn the numbers directly without entering the contact list manually like that if you see what i mean
thanks for clearing things up

For the sms thing, it works for me.. but with the name.
I use Full Keyboard (t9 off).
in the TO: field, I enter V and it shows me the first name starting with V.. as I go on.. it matches the name and usually by the third letter, I have the name I was looking for.
I have set suggest words after 1 letter. Doubt it has anything to do with it, though.

Two mobile numbers for one contact

Do someone know how to put two mobile numbers in one contact.
It is very important, because it is very complicated to send SMS on the mobile number if it is stored under another type of number.
Some of my friend have two numbers and also if someone is writing me an SMS from a number that is not stored under mobile and I want answer, you can't just tap for replay, because the Diamond will use the default mobile number of the contact, not the from from which the SMS was send... it is really incredible. I realised it after some friends didn't recieved my SMS... also because you cannot check to which number you send it... there is just a name!!!
Do someone have a solution?!?!?
It is really annoying for me!!
Thnx!!

Urosh said:
Do someone know how to put two mobile numbers in one contact.
It is very important, because it is very complicated to send SMS on the mobile number if it is stored under another type of number.
Some of my friend have two numbers and also if someone is writing me an SMS from a number that is not stored under mobile and I want answer, you can't just tap for replay, because the Diamond will use the default mobile number of the contact, not the from from which the SMS was send... it is really incredible. I realised it after some friends didn't recieved my SMS... also because you cannot check to which number you send it... there is just a name!!!
Do someone have a solution?!?!?
It is really annoying for me!!
Thnx!!
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You should be able to solve it via editing the contact either on the PC with which you sync or directly on your device, going to contacts and editing the contact. Just enter the second number in another field, like home, work, main, primary, etc. The label does not really matter.

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The label does not really matter.
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As the OP states the label absolutely does matter. For example, a telephone number in the 'Work' field will never be offered when typing a name into the To: field of an SMS message.
Mathew

MJNewton said:
As the OP states the label absolutely does matter. For example, a telephone number in the 'Work' field will never be offered when typing a name into the To: field of an SMS message.
Mathew
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Correct, for SMS only Mobile will be offered as alternative but as for Caller ID it does not matter.

Not sure if it would help you or even work for your problem, but in Outlook there is a phone type of "car" that you could use. Like I said, not sure if that would help with the SMS issue, but it might.

MJNewton understood my problem...
My problem is to send an SMS to a number which is not under the label mobile.
Also the car label doesn't work. It offers you only the mobile number for sending SMS.
It is really very stupid not to add also a mobile2 label and to offer both numbers!
Would someone invent something for this?!? Do only we in Slovenia have sometimes two mobile numbers?!?!
Thnx!!
U.

Urosh said:
MJNewton understood my problem...
My problem is to send an SMS to a number which is not under the label mobile.
Also the car label doesn't work. It offers you only the mobile number for sending SMS.
It is really very stupid not to add also a mobile2 label and to offer both numbers!
Would someone invent something for this?!? Do only we in Slovenia have sometimes two mobile numbers?!?!
Thnx!!
U.
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Same here, I have friends studying abroad, with one mobile phone in each country... Solved it using the "work" section, but it's not that good for the SMS... Perhaps if we find the template somewhere it could be changed ?

I would think the logical solution (workaround) would be to have two different contacts in your contact list.

I have this issue aswell.
What yoiu could try is use an app like Icontact or pocketcm.
I beleive you can pick the number were you want to sms to.
have not try'd it my self

i dont have this problem?
if i goto new text, then add contact the contacts list appears, then when i click the contact i have to choose which number i want (mobile, work, mobile2, home ect)
which method are you using to add contacts to the SMS?

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i dont have this problem?
if i goto new text, then add contact the contacts list appears, then when i click the contact i have to choose which number i want (mobile, work, mobile2, home ect)
which method are you using to add contacts to the SMS?
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The problem is if you go to your contacts, select one and then pick write sms.
you wont get an option.
or when you reply to an sms (al though i do think then when i reply it does sent it to the number you are replying to.
but it is annoying that you cant see which number it was)

When you use the SMS application and you press "To:" it will show your contacts list and when chosing a name you'll be presented with all the numbers you have for that contact wether mobile, home or work so I don't really see the problem.
Garcia

...possible.....
I don't have too many friends walking around with two mobiles consistently on their person so I don't really considerthis an issue
but if I did (like for differnet countries) and I wanted this to work I would make an exact copy of the original Contact amd slightly change the name to represent the second mobile i.e.
Fred1 Smith xxxxxx
Fred2 Smith yyyyyy
....suppose that would work....

Two mobiles in one contact.
You can't do that on the phone although outlook could do it!
Do as I did in the past.
You have two numbers for John Smith?
contact1: JohnSmith1
contact2: JohnSmith2
TWO MOBILES!!
How far out can you fall with the same name?
I actually had each number on different name because I wanted to know straight way who phoned me.
So I had like DaveMob, DaveHm, DaveFax, etc.

Calling from contacts list

I seem to have a recurring issue. I can not make a phone call from my contacts list. If I go to my contacts and tap call mobile or call home it does not launch the phone. It does nothing. If I tap email or sms it works fine. The only way I can make a phone call is to manually type the number in. I have tried different roms from different people and I have the same issue.
Has anyone come across this? Is this a common issue ? Is there a fix for it ?

ryche316 said:
I seem to have a recurring issue. I can not make a phone call from my contacts list. If I go to my contacts and tap call mobile or call home it does not launch the phone. It does nothing. If I tap email or sms it works fine. The only way I can make a phone call is to manually type the number in. I have tried different roms from different people and I have the same issue.
Has anyone come across this? Is this a common issue ? Is there a fix for it ?
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Might be able to help out more if we knew what ROM you are using. I do not have this issuse and have used Miri, Duttys and PhamQuang ROMs.

I have used the wm6.5 energy Leo rom, I 've used Miri's 6.5 v9 manila 2.5 rom and Dutty's 6.5 R4 rom and they have all done the samething. Right now I currently have Dutty's 6.5 Leo R4(MSVC) rom installed. The funny this is that at first it worked just fine but when I started adding the contacts I used the most to the quick launch in the contacts list is when this started happening. The other roms did it right off the bat.

ryche316 said:
I seem to have a recurring issue. I can not make a phone call from my contacts list. If I go to my contacts and tap call mobile or call home it does not launch the phone. It does nothing. If I tap email or sms it works fine. The only way I can make a phone call is to manually type the number in. I have tried different roms from different people and I have the same issue.
Has anyone come across this? Is this a common issue ? Is there a fix for it ?
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what other programs do you have installed on your phone? do you have other apps that include contacts functionality? also, are you trying to call from the Manila contacts app or the Windows contacts app? can you call contacts that are not on your People (Favorites) page? i have no problems initiating calls from the Windows and Manila contact apps by tapping "Call Mobile", "Call Home", etc. given your issue is not ROM specific, i'm inclined to believe its related to software or something stored with your contacts.

i have no other contact apps installed. i can not make any calls from quick contact list or from the "all people" list

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i have no other contact apps installed. i can not make any calls from quick contact list or from the "all people" list
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after you flash a ROM, how are you reloading your contacts? if syncing, what is the source? after your next flash, i recommend adding a few contacts manually (3-5) and then determine if you can initiate calls from the by tapping "Call Mobile", "Call Home", etc. if you can, then reload your existing contacts and try initiating calls again. if it doesn't work, then the next item (in the process of elimination steps) is to review your contacts for info that could be causing the problem. fyi, i'm using MS Exchange to store and reload my contacts after flashing a ROM.

I am syncing with my PC and pulling my contacts from outlook. does it make a difference if you add a contact to the favorites list having the phone number or sms number as the number saved to quick contacts ?
I just noticed that if I go to start menu, click contacts, I can make calls that way.
The only apps I have installed is, tomtom7, slide to unlock and tweak HD

OK I finally found the problem In tweak HD if you go down to 1.8 phone pad style. I had it set to windows because i don't like the slide to answer call. When I put this setting back to HD (default) I was able to make calls from the manilia people tab and all contacts list.
So I guess I'll just have to choose either to not use the manilia people tab to make calls so I can answer the phone using the phone soft key, or use the people tab and have to deal with the slide to answer call. Unless there's another way to disable the slide to answer call

ryche316 said:
OK I finally found the problem In tweak HD if you go down to 1.8 phone pad style. I had it set to windows because i don't like the slide to answer call. When I put this setting back to HD (default) I was able to make calls from the manilia people tab and all contacts list.
So I guess I'll just have to choose either to not use the manilia people tab to make calls so I can answer the phone using the phone soft key, or use the people tab and have to deal with the slide to answer call. Unless there's another way to disable the slide to answer call
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ahhhh... yeah, it's typically something we install and forgot or we assume it didn't have any impact on our issue. fyi, you don't have to use slide-to-answer to answer a call. i never use it, lol, i always use the send key (key to the left of the home key) to answer calls or the end key to ignore the call. glad you got it sorted out.

yea amazing. As you can see it drove me crazy. I found the solution by accident. The only thing I hate now is when I get a call the caller ID from slide to unlock comes up ( which is the one I prefer ) and the windows/manila one keeps flashing on top of it.
Otherwise Dutty's rom seems pretty solid

Camera zoom
I noticed that I do not have the zoom function with this rom, which I knew already, but if I was to install the old camera cab to get the zoom function back would I lose the ability to take pics at 5megs ?
Also I have tweak HD installed and it unlocked some good features like burst and sport, would I lose those functions ?