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Kaiser keeps switching from 3G to Edge

A friend of mine just purchased the Kaiser to be used on the at&t network. He lives in a 3G area in the USA and for some reason, his phone will not hold the 3G connection. It wants to switch to Edge. Is there a manual setting to stop this from happening or a new utility to enable/disable certain connection. Is this normal for 3G to do this. Any information I can pass on would be greatful.
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I think it's an indication that 2G is stronger than 3G in your area. My Kaiser always hold 3G connection all the time where I live. You can "manually" force 3G. Here is one the many ways to do it: on Windows Start menu, go to "Setting" then "Phone" (on the "Personal" tab), click "Band" tab, then use "WCDMA" for network type selection (default is "Auto")

Thanks for the help. I'll pass it on.

While the Kaiser is my first ppc type phone and I cannot claim to be expert I do think that this is a normal reaction of the phone to what networks are available.
I live in San Jose Ca. and must, perchance, move up and down the peninsula in the normal course of work and life.
I see my Kaiser switching from Edge to 3G to unnamed all up and down the peninsula. It is best for 3G in the cities and worse up in the hills -as one might expect. I also get the best 3G connections in the evenings and night vs. the daytime when, I assume, more 3G users are taking up bandwidth.
It is unfortunate that where I live is an Edge (during the daytime) area though I am paying for the 3G data plan.

3G issues with the TyTnII
Hello all:
I post on the AT&T HTC forumn and had this thread sent to me by another poster there.
I also have a TyTnII newly aquired from MobilePlanet on Weds. I am having the same issues with 3G. It briefly flashed the G icon on boot up then switches to Edge with all 5 bars. I've tried the manual mode fix, no luck. The wcdma gets no signal and the gsm goes back up to 5 bars same as auto.
Then theres the inability to register my serial # on HTC's EU site. Says SN is invalid... MP has had several reports of EU devices doing this.
I'm in the US, NorthEast NJ area. And in the middle of a known 3G area.
Bill

Can anyone help Bill out? How many of you CAN use 3G on the USA at&t network without a problem? He's trying to see if it's a setting issue or a phone issue. I'm not in a 3G area so I can't help him here.
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wise87 said:
Can anyone help Bill out? How many of you CAN use 3G on the USA at&t network without a problem? He's trying to see if it's a setting issue or a phone issue. I'm not in a 3G area so I can't help him here.
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I get a 3g signal when I go into Philly (I live about 45 minutes outside the city) It holds it just fine as well. Is it possible you just have weak 3g coverage where you are? I actually shut off the 3g on my phone as I have no 3g coverage at work or at home and the 3g connection discharges the battery in a hury.
I'm on AT&T as well.
Oh - BTW - I also can't register my phone with the eClub either. I sent an Email to the HTC Webmaster but have not had any reply in 3 days. I'm not too confident in HTC's support.

Tilt ATT HSDPA and the 3g rollout

I am in Denver and my local store told (the people i bough the phone from) me that on Oct 15th the Denver area woudl get 3g and HSDPA but i have nether. i have found threads where people say you need to do a reg edit to turn on high speed internet? is this true? is there anyone using a Tilt on a ATT 3g HSDPA network and getting good speeds? has the roll out just not happened in Denver as i was told? or do i need to do a reg edit to get it working?
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Sam

Chem E Sam said:
i have found threads where people say you need to do a reg edit to turn on high speed internet? is this true? is there anyone using a Tilt on a ATT 3g HSDPA network and getting good speeds?
thanks
Sam
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Umm.. could you link to those threads? 3G works right out the box.
I live in the DFW area and 3G speeds can vary from 400kbps to 1mbps. 90% of the time it stays around 700-900kbps. Speed testing shows a wifi connection is about the same. So I almost never turn on wifi if I'm in a 3G area.

roll out must have been delayed, it is not an issue with the device (what kind of connection icon do you get when you go online?)

i get about 175-215kbs ya it sucks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337450
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
are the two threads i read.
"Umm.. could you link to those threads? 3G works right out the box.
I live in the DFW area and 3G speeds can vary from 400kbps to 1mbps. 90% of the time it stays around 700-900kbps. Speed testing shows a wifi connection is about the same. So I almost never turn on wifi if I'm in a 3G area."
thanks for letting me know you are getting it right out of the box. are you using the stock rom?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the SIM be a 3G sim? Have you looked into that?

Chem E Sam said:
I am in Denver and my local store told (the people i bough the phone from) me that on Oct 15th the Denver area woudl get 3g and HSDPA but i have nether.
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I am in Colorado and still no 3G but when I travelled to St. Louis this weekend I magically had 3G service with no registry hacks, etc. running the standad Tilt AT&T ROM. I'd heard the 15th for Denver as well, hopefully soon!

1. You do have to have a 3G Sim.
2. A registry hack may be needed to show HSDPA but 3G will show when you are in coverage.

No hack needed, the hack you refer too is to change the Icon to show HSDPA in use as opposed to always showing 3G in a 3G area.
No about Denver...I read there was an FCC issue and you have another year to wait now. I think it was on Yahoo business news and someone posted it on Hofo.

IN NYC i get 840 down, and 350 up..
right out of the box...

I was in the AT&T store last week here in denver, and the guy said probably closer to Nov. 1st...but I'm not holding my breath.

Advatages of talking via 3G Connection?

I was wondering why someone would want to be connected to 3G all the time for talking. I could only guess that it is somewhat better quality. In my case I don't see it that much. I do however know that it waistes about double the battery using 3G all the time. If I am not using data is there any real advantages of it? and what if I am talking to someone who does not have a 3G phone.
Thank you,

Hmm, of course I could be wrong (but I doubt it), Data and voice are 2 different things. 3G is data, voice is voice.

Thats what I was thinking, but I dont understand why it would be connected via 3G all the time if im not even using the data. and 3G and EDGE connections seems to have different signal strengths. If it's only for data I guess I will leave 3G off all the time.

3G signal is emitted on a different frequency than GSM/Edge signal - it does drain the battery faster and is pretty useless if you are in a well covered GSM area and only using voice (phone) function. The quality gain isn't significant enough overall to make it worth battery drainage on a device like the Kaiser/Tilt.
The advantage of 3G is its data stream but it's also good with voice for hard to reach areas only reached by 3G signals - those are rare nowadays, especially in the US, but in some cities with landscape blocked coverage (like in some skyscrapers in Manhattan for example) you might not pick any GSM network at your work desk but might pick up 3G - in such places, using "bandswitch" regularly makes sense.
Lastly, 3G signal is slowly replacing GSM/CDMA (2G) as the broadcasting standard so I wouldn't be surprised that in the next 5 years, more and more GSM phone operators will stop mantaining there GSM frequency towers in favor of 3G.

Thanks jonas that's the answer I was looking for. I will use edge untill my signal gets low.

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Lastly, 3G signal is slowly replacing GSM/CDMA (2G) as the broadcasting standard so I wouldn't be surprised that in the next 5 years, more and more GSM phone operators will stop mantaining there GSM frequency towers in favor of 3G.
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Interesting, since that means AT&T has a lot of work ahead of them and better get their butts in gear rolling out 3G. I live in the whatever-it-is, 90%, of the network area that does NOT have 3G.
Or I suppose I could be an optimist about what you say, and think that maybe it means AT&T really will be accelerating the rollout of 3G. That would be nice given the snail's pace of 3G expansion in the past couple of years.

Over in the UK 3G is the standard 2G is still available but the telecommunications offcom have required all UK operators to offer a minimum of 90% 3G coverage by 2010

I've always heard that Voice on 3G uses less power on standby and when talking, but I might be remembering it wrong.
Data on 3G uses significantly more juice than EDGE does (over double in my experience!) but I don't think you'll see a significant difference without data usage on 3G vs GSM but I could certainly be wrong.
I always have FlexMail and IM+ running, I haven't compared battery usage without them yet.
One big advantage that 3G has over EDGE is you can do voice and data at the same time. I've heard varying stories about some phones can do it on EDGE and some can't, but I know on my Tilt my connections die when I'm on a voice call and reconnect after but does not on 3G.

The biggest advantage of 3g besides the penetration is that you can talk and maintain a data connection. Edge gives you one or the other at a time--data or talk.

help with signal

i love my diamond and most places the signal is good, but in my house my signal is crap, if i get a call i have to go outside, i have tried a few differant radios but not much change, ive also brought one of those signal booster stickers of ebay but not sure where antenna is on diamond, my wife is on orange and her samsung gives good reception in our house. just wondering if anybody can help

well in the states verizon wireless has released network extendors that can connect to your broadband internet connection and broadcast cell signal, thou looks like your overseas so i'm not sure if any the gsm carriers have anythign like that, thou they do make cell phone boosters or amplifiers that would increase your signal
you said the other phone has good signal in same location, here you could grab that tower id and edit the prl with it or change home sid so that phone talks to it but at the risk of possible roaming charges depending on your carrier,
i'm guessing you have a gsm diamond? if so i think your version of PRL is called internernational roaming database or IRDB, not sure if it can be modified on the gsm side but might be worth looking in to unless you want buy cell booster ( good ones are usually $200us or more i've seen some over 1k but should get decent one for 200
you mentioned sticker antenna most the cheap ones i've seen are groundplanes that hide between the batter and phone, thou not sure that would be good spot, thou if your refuring to an actual antenna that use proimty to transfer signal instead of connection, the internal antenna on most phones is on the back at the top

thanks for your reply runkittyrun, ill look into your thoughts

Two questions that I have for Pro users.

(Q)1 Is it me or Sprint network sucks? I get like 2 bars of LTE outside but once in side the house or any building I get 3G service!!!! Some places o the city I get 3G service too..... I'm new to Sprint but if it's like that I have to say the T-Mobile beat Sprint with coverage.
Long ago I knew of a hack that could boost signal of the phone and some of that were simple as editing the build.prop..
(Q)2 I have Beyond Stock rom on my HKE everything works fine but when I use hotspot my data gets cut off for a sec and then comes back..
Anyone knows why is this?