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I have used 3 different roms and I have overclocked, etc. I had all these great cabs and stuff but when I got finished doing everything I went right back to the same old wm6.... I like it. I do want it to be faster and look better, etc. I guess what I want to know is what do you guys recommend as being the best and necessary cabs to put on the wing. Is it possible only I like wm6....
I think im in the same boat as you. I think the problem for me is that the software is not well integrated into the phone and it just becomes a huge clutter. Granted the cube and the pocketCM is cool but it just gets old..
Compared to this I previously had was the SPB Pocket Plus.
That home software was well integrated and very easy on the eyes.
Also, iv been tired of the bugs that I have with the cooked roms and its driving me nuts. lol No offense to the ROM cookers! Im just too lazy to fix them.
Even with all of the bugs in the ROMs they cook, it still works like 50 times better than the default T-Mobile ROM.
Not only that, the ROMs that are cooked, (and being cooked), are getting better, and well as the battery life too.
The main question you need to ask yourself is: What do you need? Why do you want it?
Do you want your phone to be a showoff? Or do you want some usefull apps?
Main reason that I cook in what I consider useless apps (to me) is that I know other ppl use it, and that the ones using the stuff I dont, start posring why removed that app, I would use your rom if this and that and so on
But I try to keep it to a minumum when cooking a "fully loaded" rom, I could add alot of more stuff, but why?
Im leaning more and more to less is better, but ofcourse, im cooking roms, and its sort off cool to "showoff" to my friends, witch only have nokias and sony ericsson and its like (useless phones )
But its no that cool anymore, my personal rom is quite small and have few apps, only the stuff I use.
cheers
Personally I havent found a rom that Im perfectly happy with. Ive used three of ITJE's roms and theyre great. But after a few days of use I find that things that I use on a daily basis are missing. So my decision was that I should start making my own. I decided that I was going to take the stock tmo, cut it back and add in the things that I want. That way I have the things that I need, more memory for the phone to play with. And the best thing of all is that Im happy.
Yeah I use Itje's roms and they are awesome. But as soon as another lite or superlite version comes out I'm flashing it right away. I like as little as possible on the roms I use so that I can just customize myself.
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Personally I havent found a rom that Im perfectly happy with. Ive used three of ITJE's roms and theyre great. But after a few days of use I find that things that I use on a daily basis are missing. So my decision was that I should start making my own. I decided that I was going to take the stock tmo, cut it back and add in the things that I want. That way I have the things that I need, more memory for the phone to play with. And the best thing of all is that Im happy.
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itje said:
The main question you need to ask yourself is: What do you need? Why do you want it?
Do you want your phone to be a showoff? Or do you want some usefull apps?
Main reason that I cook in what I consider useless apps (to me) is that I know other ppl use it, and that the ones using the stuff I dont, start posring why removed that app, I would use your rom if this and that and so on
But I try to keep it to a minumum when cooking a "fully loaded" rom, I could add alot of more stuff, but why?
Im leaning more and more to less is better, but ofcourse, im cooking roms, and its sort off cool to "showoff" to my friends, witch only have nokias and sony ericsson and its like (useless phones )
But its no that cool anymore, my personal rom is quite small and have few apps, only the stuff I use.
cheers
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I would be very interested to know what is in your personal ROM.
I think ITJE's Rom's are great and they basically fulfill my every need.
People are always going to complain about what they want on a rom ..etc.. Sure there are things I'd like taken out of roms and put into roms ...etc... but we aren't in a position to complain when these Roms are being provided to us free of charge after A LOT of hard work by ITJE and other rom cookers....
Everyone needs to Keep in mind, that all this "I want this, I want that" has to be very annoying to the rom cookers when they are donating their time and effort into making the roms... especially ITJE who doesn't even own a Wing .. so he has to put extra effort and time into making Wing roms, because he is unable to test them properly.
I'm interesting in looking into making roms (if I ever find the time) ... but for the moment, we should all just be thankful of what we have, that is FREE
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I think ITJE's Rom's are great and they basically fulfill my every need.
People are always going to complain about what they want on a rom ..etc.. Sure there are things I'd like taken out of roms and put into roms ...etc... but we aren't in a position to complain when these Roms are being provided to us free of charge after A LOT of hard work by ITJE and other rom cookers....
Everyone needs to Keep in mind, that all this "I want this, I want that" has to be very annoying to the rom cookers when they are donating their time and effort into making the roms... especially ITJE who doesn't even own a Wing .. so he has to put extra effort and time into making Wing roms, because he is unable to test them properly.
I'm interesting in looking into making roms (if I ever find the time) ... but for the moment, we should all just be thankful of what we have, that is FREE
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Well said.
duprade said:
I think ITJE's Rom's are great and they basically fulfill my every need.
People are always going to complain about what they want on a rom ..etc.. Sure there are things I'd like taken out of roms and put into roms ...etc... but we aren't in a position to complain when these Roms are being provided to us free of charge after A LOT of hard work by ITJE and other rom cookers....
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I second that. Well said. And this is coming from a complainer about the missing Internet Sharing feature. I didn't blame ITJE for dropping this from the rom. Just wanted to find out how to put the darn thing back on. If I want it that bad I would just go back to the stock rom. I am still using the Lite rom and loving it. Waiting to put the last one on but you never know when ITJE will surprise us again.
He has enough warnings and caveats so it really is burner beware. You know what you are getting into.
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Hey Itje,
Iv used your touchit 2.0 and 2.3 beta! I actually thought the 2.0 was more stable and bug free on my perticular phone. I actually kept 2.0 for a month! llol
Anyways, Is there a ROM which is just bone stock minus the TMOBILE customization? Or really Lite cooked rom? For the Wing ofcourse!
Thanks
I agree I like ITJEs ROMS as well... I think the less is better is more my style I am planning on cooking my own ROM in the near future. I am waiting to learn alot more first though. I don't want to get in over my head... I think that all the extra wares, plus bugs can kinda get to me.
Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.
Before the final ver there is always a trial and error ver..
If you ask for final ver then go to SEUS
Give respect to people who have given time to make a ROM ..
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Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.
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samov said:
Q: Why are the chefs using beta software to cook roms?
I got really frustrated by the stability issues of some roms. Some i liked, they were unstable... some were stable but i did not like them.
I've just started cooking and i realized that MANY things can go wrong. So my question is...
IS THERE any thought, any real reason, behind using BETA leaked software in a rom??
Back in the S100(Magician) days... there were fewer leakes and things were stable. You actually could choose from 3-4 stable roms.
Also the wikis are a mess... i used to visit them first and i will try to help fix them.
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Whats that I see off in the distance??? Chef's gathering and asking each other....if you listen carefully you can hear them.......ready for it.....'huh?'
Why would one want to flash ROMs off of released software? The 'fun' in all of this ....is newness....trying parts here and there and seeing what you come up with. If you wanted release software, why flash?? If, IF, stability is your primary concern....flash back to the original and don't worry about it.
But....if you're wondering what Itje will do tomorrow...or how will Agent work out that issue, or just how fast NRG can make his ROMs, or what new combination the chef's here will come up with....then come back tomorrow and feast your eyes.....cause it only gets exciting when the software is new, and the challenge is great and the ideas flow...and the questions get asked.
Hmmmm....TF3D...on an iPhone.....hahahah....nahhhhh
hey alodar1 well put
Question is why are there 40 threads like this... Especially when stable roms exist already.
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Question is why are there 40 threads like this... Especially when stable roms exist already.
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Answer is: ignorance (whoops )
you'll never know the water is cold till you dip in it
It's because we all want the newest shizzle from everything. That's why we flash custom roms. I mean why should we cook with old stuff when we can get such things from SEUS? If something is already released and stable there is no need for custom roms anymore since it will be on SEUS. The thing I like about cooking is to get the newest stuff cook it in and try to fix everything as good as possible. So if you don't understand this you maybe better get an iphone or just go to SEUS and download the latest stock rom. Wondering what you preferre
Amen
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It's because we all want the newest shizzle from everything. That's why we flash custom roms. I mean why should we cook with old stuff when we can get such things from SEUS? If something is already released and stable there is no need for custom roms anymore since it will be on SEUS. The thing I like about cooking is to get the newest stuff cook it in and try to fix everything as good as possible. So if you don't understand this you maybe better get an iphone or just go to SEUS and download the latest stock rom. Wondering what you preferre
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A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.
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A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.
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"So called stable" doesn't mean bug free. But I think all cheffs do their best. It's just the choice of the user what rom he/she will use and like.
why chefs are using beta roms? <<<<if this is his question, then he should realize that there are no downloads anywhere online where you would download a final build of wm 6.5, the same way you would download windows xp, vista or 7......but my question is, is there a final wm 6.5???? wm 6.1 became final weeks ago, so where is 6.5 now???? hmmm i think you should do some research before bashing chefs who enjoy doing what they do
the betas were leaked dude, you need to relax, a chef can only cook what is available,
also wm 6.5 is not even out of beta stages IMO, every single build has a bug, even the ones that are in the official ads by the real makers, u can tell bcos the battery icon is still not positioned properly as in 6.1
the official R3A rom from SEUS also has at least one bug i can point to you, and that's official, so back to your question, whats your question again?
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A big thank you goes out to everyone that took me seriously and posted an answear. To all others, i think trying the latest and greatest does not justify the huge amount of bugs in so called stable roms.
Most roms take a full 3-5 sec to change a song... and there is no end to end experience using it.
In the meantime i found about the only version that is 100% usable in real life conditions.
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848&highlight=touch
Regards.
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but you misunderstand...we do take you serious,,,,very serious. Well..right up to the 100% reliable statement. It goes like this. It all depends on your likes, needs, and tastes.
I too am a Smaberg fan. But he uses a released OS, and changes the wrappers. Thats like changing your tie...should I wear blue today or the Red one with stripes. He does(did) a GREAT job.
But the 6.5 ROMs...all new...all different, so many varieties. Pick one you like...or not. But...in 6 months....building a 6.5 ROM will be like...Smabergs ROMs...which tie should I wear today. Great work...but.....not new.
People who flash here, stability maybe in their top 5 concerns...but probably not 1, or 2. they ride bikes downhill at full spead...or at least want to. They have more beta products that actual release products. NO ONE here flashes a ROM expecting it work perfect because they have a huge business trip tomorrow. They only HOPE it will be perfect...because if it is...they will have the coolest thing in the room.
there is no medicine to fix these symtoms....only new ROMs
Do not thing we do not take you serious....we do....we just don't understand your question.
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"So called stable" doesn't mean bug free. But I think all cheffs do their best. It's just the choice of the user what rom he/she will use and like.
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Yep, bugs usually show up dependent on usage and how critical they are varies on what a person cares about. So you're "stable" might not be someone else's stable and vice versa.
Because people like me exist..
Speaking for myself.. My X1 was just getting boring until of course I learned I could flash the rom with the latest thing people are talking about but don't have... WOW!! My phone became exciting again..
These chefs are the coolest.. I toggle between the different roms from the credible chefs and that 'need for new' on my budget is quenched... <Donations to come (promise) >
Someone once said "If you don’t risk anything, you risk even more."
welldone to our chefs
I strongly believe that we can only progress in life by trying new ideas and stuffs. so i will say a big welldone to all the chefs for all their time and devotion they've dedicated to these roms we keep flashing. Trully without these so called beta roms, the x1 would have been the worst phone i believe, ever produced by sonyericsson. i have had all the se P series, and then thought that the X1 was going to be the icing on the cake. that never happened. certainly personally is was product i've ever spend so much money on. fortunately i found this website, and it rescued me. i keep flashing my phone with new roms. it is as if i have a new phone all the time. so please leave the chefs alone. stay with the se stable rom. Again welldone to all the chefs.
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I strongly believe that we can only progress in life by trying new ideas and stuffs. so i will say a big welldone to all the chefs for all their time and devotion they've dedicated to these roms we keep flashing. Trully without these so called beta roms, the x1 would have been the worst phone i believe, ever produced by sonyericsson. i have had all the se P series, and then thought that the X1 was going to be the icing on the cake. that never happened. certainly personally is was product i've ever spend so much money on. fortunately i found this website, and it rescued me. i keep flashing my phone with new roms. it is as if i have a new phone all the time. so please leave the chefs alone. stay with the se stable rom. Again welldone to all the chefs.
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because of xda and these great chefs, my X1 is yet the most exciting phone i ever had in 12 years since i first used a cell/mobile phone.
without them, X1 coudlve been just another phone
so kudos to all chefs!
Hi all, I have had a search around and cant find the answer to my question. I expect to get flamed, but here goes.
Having access to all the great roms here, I still dont know which to go for. Many have asked the same thing, but the answer is always the same try them out for yourself. I appreciate the hard work that goes into cooking the roms (or maybe I dont as I would never attempt it) and no one wants to say which is better, but to those of us who are either noobs or just want an improved kaiser the time involved trying them all out can be prohibitive.
I would love to have a new rom that does what I want and then to be able to donate to the chef for the work they put in to developing it. I use my phone so much I really cant be bothered saving data/programs and then re-stalling them until I find a rom that suits. I appreciate the problems that everyones needs are different, but are they so different? Full of features, reliable, fast as poss and looks good, this may describe most roms but I dont know without trying them all or be told which people prefer. If a chef knows that most people dont want a particular feature but definately want another they can see by the downloads which rom is the most popular. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (coupled with innovation).
I have an unlocked orange UK, WM6, rom 1.81.61.2 WWE (dated 09/20/07), Radio 1.27.14.32, but really dont know what would be the best feature rich, fast, best looking, impressive rom.
I stand ready to be charred
Just randomly install one..
That is your answer.
There is no straight jacket answer because truth is like a diamond. did you get it my friend..
So if I happen to install one that Im not happy with, I may think "oh is that the best on offer, I wont bother again". Im afraid it seems like everyone has to re-invent the wheel in trying a rom out.
Have you installed a rom and then thought wow what a load of rubbish? If people dont know then more will have the same experience, just trying to avoid that. Dare I say that the cooking of roms is not my main interest, but appreciate that it is to others and also appreciate the work that goes into them. Am I being selfish in wanting something that is stable with as I said lots of features etc? Probably, but the same can be said about anything if your not an expert.
Im not trying to be a pain just want some advice to save a lot of time and messing about
Can't give you more info than others as it's all a flash try if don't like flash something different.
If don't have the time to do this the best bet is just to stay stock.
We all install ROMs once in a while don't find it fits our needs yet the one thing we know is that it takes the flasher about 10mins to flash then an hour to play compared to the average ROM taking days to build with having to flash @ every change...
Hey
No need to fear as I was also the same like you when I joined XDA, it is overwhelming seeing the number of custom ROMS out there as well as the extreme amount of information on XDA itself. But after a while you get used to it and draw a simple conclusion, you simply cannot absorb it ALL unless you dedicate your entire life to it.
However you can slowly learn the ropes about the ROMS and proceed.
To answer your question: at the moment it seems like the WM 6.5 roms are the best looking, most feature rich and quite quick to boot, however to me they seem to a bit more unstable and open to flaws than the WM 6.1 roms which have the benefit of being cooked for longer and thus have had the number for bugs reduced. I have used two 6.5 ROMs and have not been able to get them to work with complete functionality I require. So I've decided to wait a while.
So to start of with you should probably find one of the popular WM 6.1 roms (just sort the rom forum by views or replies and you're bound to see whats popular) and flash that to your phone. I am currently using Sakajati's Hyperdragon IV and it is awesome and stable, but you can look around as there is no guarantee that that will work as excellently for you as it has for me. However by using the 6.1 rom I have learnt a fair bit also with the help of the XDA forums and search function. I am now competent enough to solve issues that arise from newer buggier roms etc.
So yeah as the previous guys have mentioned, its trial and error to a certain extent. What works for me may not work for you and it is best to start of with something a bit more stable in favour of features etc. In addition once you find out about the best applications to enhance the phone and use it in conjunction with the cooked ROMs they become even better. I for example am using the 6.1 ROM with SPB Mobile shell which really makes the phone IMHO so awesome that I don't feel the need to move over to a 6.5 rom as everything on my phone works and it provides me with the perfect and efficient functionality that I require.
In the end if you can't land on a custom ROM to your liking, don't give up there might be one out there that works, it just takes patience and a bit of work.
Thanks for the replies, fishzn appreciate the advice, tried looking for the hyperdragon rom but appears to have been taken off. Not sure where to get it from? Tried the authors site, but log in problems seem to be affecting many there.
Thanks again.
Here is the thread on sakajati's forums with the download links for the ROM, you need to register on that forum to download. Don't know about the login problems though, my account is logged in with no issues really. Anyway YGPM
i have gone back to a 6.1 rom having tried several 6.1s before then a few 6.5s.
i found the 6.1 more reliable and stable (never got messages working properly on 6.5). i avoid the lite/fast ones also now as i didnt really notice any speed increase but did notice that i was forever looking for cabs to add back in what was missing. i have a 8gb card loaded with apps and expect them all to work.
just give one a go. you get a feel pretty quick for how it runs you own stuff.
use a good backup program (i use spb backup) and keep a full copy (or 2) on a pc of your sd card.
WARNING: changing roms is very addictive, it will take away your free time (but it is fun)
Stop being a little girl (unless you are one) and jump in..
Each rom has a thread and in that thread people talk about it. Read or jump in head first, either way you could have found the rom of your dreams by now..
What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I think the point you're missing is that the bugs only become apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
I agree with the sentiment - for those of us who only flash their phones maybe once a month, it would be nice to know a ROM is ultra stable and all known bugs / oddities have been sorted. (or if not, then a comprehensive list of things that are broken, with any workarounds etc) Reading through thousands of posts takes hours and not everybody has the time or inclination for that.
For instance both WM and Manila (and others) are under very active development, there are always new versions coming out. While it would be unreasonable to expect the beta WM builds (23xxx, 28xxx) to be 100% stable, it would be nice for a cook or two to say "right, this combination of components is stable, I'm going to stick with these for a while" instead of always following the very latest cutting edge "LOOK, SHINY TOYS!" at the risk of stability.
As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
Have you tried AthineOS ROMS? Very fast, very stable. The current Leo 2.02 based ROM is the fastest Sense 2.5 ROM I've tried (and I've tried them all) and stable enough for hassle-free day to day use.
Guyz As far as my experience goes no cook likes to hide the bug list, rather they work to bring more in the light. Users like us are expected to give our submissions. Thats how it works. Things like quality control is not what we have seen here since its not GM factory but a place to share & experiment & success & failure is part of that place.
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
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I completely disagree. At the rate new builds are released, and with so many new tweaks and items going into ROMs, I think it would take forever for the chef and a select few beta testers to try and figure out all or most bugs in a ROM. I use Arrups ROMs, and he discloses everything that he can, but ultimately its not the chefs responsibility to create a "perfect" rom for Al Capone is it? Everyone uses different applications which can affect the stability of a ROM completely-for example Opera beta 10. I think its much more efficient to have them release the ROMs and let lots of people try and break them, then come back and fix it. And when bugs arise the are put on a "bug list" to be fixed.
We would never see new ROM releases for months if we waited for chefs to perfect stuff. So the people who just flash and leach ROMs cant help out a little?
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
I have to chime in here and agree with the sentiment of this thread. The application of it is much more difficult that it seems. I have been down this road before, trying to get the chefs to post a comprehensive bug list for their ROMs and while they are willing to do it, it is VERY difficult to tell what is a real bug and what is OE (operator error), confusion caused by loading some application, etc that really isn't a bug or a real bug.
For example, I have been running Sergio76's EVO 3 ROM for sometime now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. Stable as hell, fast, good memory, good battery etc. But some of the other users of the same ROM find 'bugs' mostly caused by putting different shells on, or trying to icon sets.
So, my point is BRAVO! this needs to be done, but let's have a good discussion of how to categorize what is a bug, what is an incompatibility, etc. Because, if we simply list all these things as bugs then we run the risk of scaring folks off of flashing a potentially GREAT ROM all because one or two guys muck it up by hacking the registry and it gets put on a bug list.
I would also like to see a 'standard' way all the chefs list bugs, etc.
Russ
iceman4357 said:
why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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I was actually holding back a lot. Unfortunately 90% of people on here dont contribute anything and just expect stuff to happen perfectly. If its so easy, then instead of creating an entire thread to talk about problems, why not make a "perfect" Rom and contribute.
iceman4357 said:
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
AlCapone said:
your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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So the chef should worry about reading the 200 posts that you were worried about reading instead of working on ROMs? I am sure that chef mailboxes are full of people reporting bugs on a daily basis.
There are people other than the chefs that have a good deal of experience that help within the thread posts, that free up the chef to continue experimenting and cooking ROMs.
A lot of "common" bugs are specific to builds, such as the landscape issues vs touchflow(sense), or GPS lag which take a lot of time and programming to figure out. These are commonly known across ROMs and builds.
A lot of smaller bugs are from individual customization errors like with S2U2, Opera Beta, lack of knowledge, or custom tweaking.
Chefs, in my opinion, are here to provide a decent platform ROM for us to costimize individually; not to help each individual person with each custom problem they have.
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Montea said:
X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
oyebee said:
can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
We were on about JoshKoss's ROMs.
I've said this for years, something like bugzilla would be good. Not that I have ever used it but something with a bit of structure you know? Flag bugs by component (ie. Manila footprints tab, lock screen, or whatever) then by ROM so the system will know already if it is ROM specific or not. But it still relies on people adding good data, as the saying goes, "Garbage In Garbage Out". An automated config dump tool would be a good step towards that. (an end-to-end "report bug" app would be awesome) After all I don't know what point release of Manila I'm running (1921? 1922??) because I don't really care unless it breaks, or a newer version has more shiny.
Anyway I said this a while ago and we are still "*****ing" about ROMs at a fairly disorganised level, and yet the cooks continue to work their magic, so it can't be all that bad
From another guy who comes on here with not very much to offer yet continues to leech a new ROM once a month or so
Stop the Madness...
Oh Geez....
Yes, I am one of the lurkers here at XDA, having been flashing my phones for years and not really contributing much to the community.
I have made a New Year's resolution to change that, so I am posting more now.
But look at some of the most popular ROMS....
Within hours of a Chef releasing a new version, there are hundreds of posts about it.
From what I gather, 95% if not more of these guys/gals cook up these ROMs in their spare time. They do it because they like to do it. I don't think anyone here is getting rich cooking up a ROM for my TP2. They all have lives and when there can be 40+ pages of posts within a couple days after they release a new version, I don't expect them to read every single one. Especially where a vast majority are people asking how to flash the ROM, how to change the theme or other posts that a simple search would provide the answer.
Most Chefs do post what was fixed, what was improved and a lot of them post issues in their ROMS.
I have spent hours reading page after page trying to figure out an answer to a issue I have had...knowing I was probably not the only one having it.
Do some Chef's not post as much info as I would like? Yes.
Am I going to berate those Chefs for not doing so? No.
Some of the responsibility has to be on the users. Period.
For example, I was and am a fan of the Energy ROMs. But I SMS an insane amount and the newest Leo interface with the HTC messaging client sucked, period. Not to say NRGZ28's ROMs sucked, quite the contrary, they are great. But did those ROMs fill every need that I specifically had? No.
So, I did some research, and I found in a thread where Agent_47 suggested his ROM because he didn't even cook in the HTC SMS messaging client. So, I looked at his thread, flashed the ROM, and realized that I have had no issues with it and am very happy. Stable, works and I don't have to wait 7 minutes sometimes to send a text to someone!
We are all very lucky to have XDA. We are all very lucky to have the Chefs that spend their own time, and a lot of it, to cook up these excellent ROMs for us to flash.
Instead of complaining about the lack of 'bug lists'...perhaps you could create a tool or set something up to help the Chefs better manage those said lists?
That is the spirit that has and continues to make XDA great, if there is something you want, something that you see lacking, then create a tool to fill that void.
If you don't want to do that, then I suggest getting an iPhone, where you are locked into your OS and a slave to Apple and their constant updates and static interface. Cool device, granted, but I prefer the freedom of flashing, the excitement of trying new interfaces, experimenting with new features and lastly, the great folks here at XDA.
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Spankmeister said:
I suggest getting an iPhone
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Let's not get silly
Hello all.
I'm on the hunt for a ROM. A very specific kind of ROM. Free from any HTC crap, no Sense, no TouchFlo, no Manilla. No Add-ons from the chefs. No edited icons laced with electric blue (Energy ROMs, I'm looking at you).
I found one, a ROM so perfect I was almost in shock, by Da_G. It's a 6.5.3.3 ROM, and it's exactly what I wanted. Almost. I can' get MMS support. Tried ArcSoft, didn't work. Posted a thread asking for help, didn't help me. GPS support is awfully slow, as well. No work has been done on it in a few months, and there's a few bugs as well. PMs offering cash for a few simple fixes have gone unanswered, so I'm here, asking for something very, very specific.
If there's a chef amongst you, who could take whatever the latest and greatest 6.5.5 build is, toss in the needed support for the hardware (camera, ambient light sensor, wifi, PTT button, etc), and that's it. No icon editing, no dumping all the start menu shortcuts into folders (I hate having to undo that), no taskbar skinning (or any skinning for that matter).
And not to knock on the ROMs already posted. The Leo Firestorm is one of my favorites, and the Energy ones have tones of options, but after I found Da_G's first one, it became obvious that's what I wanted.
If anyone out there feels like throwing me a bone, I'm sure I'm not the only one who use it.
Thanks all for your time, keep up the good work - I'll keep downloading it.
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hope you can find your perfect rom, but i will try this WM6.5_28205 【Da_G Clean ROM】
I was also tempted by Da_G Rom but did not flash it as I figured out that there would need some tweaking for a TP2 7373, and that it seems tha Da_G would not have time for a dayly support.
An alternative is Cosmik Debris, WM6.1, no manila, solid, very fast, excellent support from the developper, he even customizes application he does not need when other users ask. After flashing it I have realized that the upgrade from WM6.1 to 6.5 was not worth it, 6.5 is too slow with regards to 6.1.
The Rom thread is in my signature.
AyanamiZer00 said:
Hello all.
I'm on the hunt for a ROM. A very specific kind of ROM. Free from any HTC crap, no Sense, no TouchFlo, no Manilla. No Add-ons from the chefs.
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have you tried this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674739
no mms support, but are you sure you need one? i mean come on, who does not have an email these days, and why not attach a picture to an email instead of an mms? traffic-wise it's the same amount of data anyhow.
as far as the latest build is concerned, you will simply NOT find a bug-free version, but the one i'm offering is pretty much stable, as it is based on official HTC rom.
AyanamiZer00 said:
Hello all.
No edited icons laced with electric blue (Energy ROMs, I'm looking at you).
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No need to put down someone else's work if you don't like it. People like you (that like bare bones ROMs) are few and far between. If you like a ROM like that, then just build yourself a ROM.. or use the perfect example posted above by Da_G.
Here ya go. Used to roll my own ROMs with various kitchens on my hermes. Doesn't take too long to learn, should be able to get exactly what you want out of it to boot.
I guess I should clarify a little bit.
First off, I'm not trying to talk down the Energy ROMs. You do great work with them, your customization just isn't my thing. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.
Yeah, I know nothing is going to be bug free. There's just a couple odd ones that I can't seem to really work around - the accelerometer doesn't work in the texting app, and doesn't work well in general. =(
And yeah, I'm actually kind of big on MMS. I've only got one friend (my roommate actually) that has a smartphone, and can get email. I used to swap pictures all the time.
@ Aziraphale
I might try yours, but it takes a while to get all the settings back to normal, all my ringtones back on, all the stock pictures/wallpapers out, email set back up, etc. At some point I'll give it a shot.
@ Toleraen
I'll take a look through the threads you sent me to, but I somehow feel that building a ROM is waaaay over my head. Who knows though, so I won't give up before I try.
Thanks for the input everyone. I'd have replied sooner, but had to leave for some family business.
(And I do realize I'm in the minority for a bare-bones ROM. I'm always in the minority for what I want with my devices, it seems.)