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Clean ROM vs.Touch-IT wing 2.3

i am currently using touch-it for wing and it is running real good other then the fact that there is some small bugs but i can deal with it. I was wondering which is better and if i should switch it to Clean rom. Comaprison?

there are better people to respond to your question, but I will take a shot.
It totally depends on what you want. Touch-IT has a lot of programs which you may or may not use. You can look at the list of programs in the related thread and see if you actually need majority of those then you are better off installing Touch-IT. I haven't used the clean ROM yet so I can't speak of the spead and efficiency of the ROM, but I think ivan has removed many of the stuff which you don't normally use for the sake of memory/space. So if there is only a few programs you want to add on top of what is already included you are perhaps better off this way. While on the subject, you might want to check ttran's Open Touch ROM as well. It is pretty cool. I used version 1 and I was very happy with it. The second version is in the beta phase now but will be up soon, I guess .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351966

Best thing to do is to try it out. The clean ROM is really more of a base for my upcoming Kitchen and for people to cook in general with. It does have a good amount of free space and I think it performs really well... but then again, it's my baby. lol Try it out and tell me. I haven't really had anyone compare them, yet.
I'll be releasing a few more ROMs soon, but I've been busy with the holidays. I tend to not focus on one thing and take forever to get things done sometimes. Between the clean ROM, the Kitchen and my other ROMs, working on them at the same time gets confusing. lol

[Q] Cooked roms v shipped roms

'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.

have you tried all the ROMs available
i had the same impressions as you about stability
or my phone just did not like them
but then i tried "a Touch of HD" by kwbr
awesome clean fast and stable ROM,
it doesn't need to be updated every few days because of bugs,
because it doesn't throw everything in (a ton of 3rd party apps), but it's also NOT anemic (very close to stock).
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone

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anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone
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i will try that rom next time i have time to re flash. The main problem i have and i'm sure many other people have is my phone is a busy phone and i just don't have the time to keep trying roms. Your advice is good specific advice which is hard to find when sifting through massive rom threads!
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?

donbronzi said:
'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.
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I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3 - it feels so darn responsive I thought I had a new phone! Of course that is my view and others may say different but hey.
Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)

donbronzi said:
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?
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from stock?
most definitely!

CutePinkSox said:
I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3...)
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I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
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Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)
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Flashing is a dodgy business!

Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.

tunppi said:
Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.
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My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!

donbronzi said:
My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!
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try davideucks v3.. it really convinced me

donbronzi said:
I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
Flashing is a dodgy business!
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I respect your point of view but, from my point of view I can't think that there's no difference between cooked and shipped roms. Before starting to cook my rom, I've tried the dutty one too, and the difference with the official one is consistent. And I think this is the same for all cooked roms here. Obviusly some are much stable, others not, but you can simply try them and chose the best for you.
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions

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After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions
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Sorry mate, i agree with you totaly should have posted this on your thread and will do now. I did think your rom was the best i'd tried actually, really liked the look of the rom as well. I have IGO8 8.1 something something. It wouldn't install, it started then just ended. I had this problem on another rom as well.
My point is that hte cooked roms are good, and some i've tried like yours are very good. Just i've noticed in alot of the cooked roms have issues with stability, sluggishness unresponsiveness etc which were't in the shipped rom.
My feeling on it are that the shipped rom was a pretty good starting point and unlike (for example) the Kaiser, the HD as an End user device is pretty much there (video isuues beside).
Just to reiterate this isnt in any way an insult to any of the cooks that grace XDA devs. You really are doing superb stuff!!

Always remember to hard reset after flashing, that could have some effect.
No idea how you cant see it but every game, touchflo, movies work waay better with proper custom roms like duttys and laurentius.
Couldnt watch some movies properly before flashing now every movie and video clip work smooth and not dropping frames or lagging sound.

I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
I'm currently flashing HD back to the stock rom from Dutty's 1.7. Dutty's rom wasn't bad, just it seems that the stock rom isn't shabby enough to make the change as of today.

jonathanguu said:
I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
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You may be forgetting something important.. The Diamond has less memory to start with in the first place, so making a cleaner ROM for it can fix this problem by removing unimportant stuff. As for the HD, if I get 30-something percent of occupied memory when it WM is fully loaded - there's much less to be fixed...

At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!

DavidMc0 said:
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!
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Yeah the HD is really new, the cooks and helpers are often getting ideas and apps from the Diamond forum. We'll catch up in time.
Cooking a hard keyboard into the ROM would be nice, but it sounds like black magic cooking!

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At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
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This is what i really wanted to know, i didn't get the kaiser until it had been out for 4-5 months.
I have been using the touch of HD rom for the last couple of days, it does seem smoother and is definatly stable. Got some time now so will put it through its paces.
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my experience: with the trinity and the wizard, the limitations of the hardware were so stringent (ROM, CPU, drivers, GPS!) that tuning introduced very significant improvements. For example, my stock ROM was hiding the GPS, that appeared through cooked ROMs!!!!
The touch HD has a much more mature hardware, and it is born with the same windows mobile version we are all using. So, it is not surprising that available cooked rom, few months after its commercial release, are not so different in performances from the stock rom. In particular, REMOVING applications has a much less effect on the touch HD, since finally memory is not on the critical path...
Said this, i do feel that some cooked roms are faster than others, and some other ROMs are better tweaked but essentially stock roms. I can speak about my ROM: I changed the theme and tuned some settings, but it is essentially a stock ROM (latest release, but stock touch HD ROM). Other cooks have been able to introduce and experiment new features (drivers, pagepool) and, in my opinion, did a visible job in improving the basic performances. In this moment, i have to admit i am happily running DavideUck V3 and i have no problem in recognizing it is faster than the stock ROM 1.14 delivered with my HD.
Concerning stability, i have absolutely no issues with it. And yes - don't confuse radio roms with OS: radio ROM do introduce visible benefits also - but they are never cooked YET...

well i think all the chefs try and out do each other to a degree. (i mean no disrespect and some competition is good keeps them on there feet) they all want to cook the latest apps, radios and o/s builds and release first this means that they dont always get tested as well as they used to (hence slow buggy etc as theve being rushed and released for the hell of it). I and others had all these problems with the athena at the begining the 1st cooked rom for the device had obvious bugs like no sms ability or no incoming calls. and this was from a respected member of this community. i know excitement gets the better of all of us and id rather have some crap roms than no choice at all but with the current hardware i think its best to cook your own roms with a known stable rom as the base and cook in what you need or taken progs out.
Saying that ive not got around to cooking yet, I'm too lazy, but deffo ther best way forward
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH

Cooking your own rom is indeed advantageous but i really haven't got the time. The chefs know what to take out and what to leave from experience learned over time i guess.
I do agree there is a tendancy to upload cooked roms before testing which i suppose is the point, let the people test and suggest! What we need is a thread which post 'finished' or 'perfected' rom series's then score each on multimedia, business, lite, heavy, speedy, stable etc, people who've used the roms can then mark each point out of 5. This will give a better picture of what each rom is about.
It can be an absolute night mare sifting through rom threads to get a flavour of the rom.
There is a 'rom of the month thread' which is irrelevant for many as it depends on what you like on your rom, says nothing for the roms specifics and character.
Might look into creating such a beast, any points you think should a rom should be marked on maybe you could list?
Hope this made sense

why has every chef started to use manila 2.5??

I have noticed most chefs have started using manilla 2.5 in the main cooked roms, From what i understand is that it is still in development and still very buggy. Why is it being used as a finished product??

jagger2k said:
I have noticed most chefs have started using manilla 2.5 in the main cooked roms, From what i understand is that it is still in development and still very buggy. Why is it being used as a finished product??
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XDA Developers - need I say more?

jagger2k said:
I have noticed most chefs have started using manilla 2.5 in the main cooked roms, From what i understand is that it is still in development and still very buggy. Why is it being used as a finished product??
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I agree with your sentiment. Newer is not always better. Especially if the newer product only partially works. I guess it's just excitement over something fresh, and it's a great thing that the great chefs here are trying things out and trying to improve 2.5. For me, the best ROMS by far are still Touch_X 10.1 and Touch-IT 10.4. Stable, fast and you know everything will work.

jagger2k said:
I have noticed most chefs have started using manilla 2.5 in the main cooked roms, From what i understand is that it is still in development and still very buggy. Why is it being used as a finished product??
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Since when are the roms here "finished products"...

why not?
its stable enough for me...

I tried a few manila 2.5 ROMs and loved the UI.
That said I'm back on pure 6.5 because of the bugs.

At least I don't until it finally support landscape mode...

jagger2k said:
I have noticed most chefs have started using manilla 2.5 in the main cooked roms, From what i understand is that it is still in development and still very buggy. Why is it being used as a finished product??
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pretty much the same reason you flashe new ROMs.
its cool cause its new.
just take some time and ask yourself why u allways flash new ROMs and not use your old ones whch are usualy perfectly running and mostly bugfree.
once u find the answer, u have the answer for your question too.
PS: havnt encountered any 2.5 bug yet. its just running for me.

i think its the same drive the reporters get their hands on each scoop.
i am for a more stable rom than newer ones.
but i always flash new ones just to get the feel of the "new" things to come,
see the potential of how far they can still go.

don't worry! chef's will stop using manila 2.5 soon because every1s gonna be fed up with it when 2.6 starts being cooked in.

Angelusz said:
XDA Developers - need I say more?
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I second that.

I think its fantastic whether buggy or not the chefs take the time to let us try the future roms & let us get a play about with them long before theyre released. Remember Manilla lndscape was a big thing a few months ago, now its almost perfect & with WinMo 6.5 aren't we lucky. Keep it up guys & please stop whingeing fellas, a coupla months down the road it will be almost perfect!

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I think its fantastic whether buggy or not the chefs take the time to let us try the future roms & let us get a play about with them long before theyre released. Remember Manilla lndscape was a big thing a few months ago, now its almost perfect & with WinMo 6.5 aren't we lucky. Keep it up guys & please stop whingeing fellas, a coupla months down the road it will be almost perfect!
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I really must agree with my fellow scotsman! How things over at the home country?

SyntheticDistortion said:
I really must agree with my fellow scotsman! How things over at the home country?
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Things are fine over here except for the weather but as you know we're used to it.....LOL. Take care mucker!

Let's be honest, the standard xperia rom was fine for everyday use...so we choose to chage to custom roms out of interest rather than necessity. Most of the chefs cook up roms for their own use, and then choose to release them. They can post what they want, we have no real right to demand this or that because we are not consumers...the service is free. Most chefs seem to find manila2.5 adequet for their everyday use, therefore they cook with it. Those chefs who are mainly cooking for the community with take in your feedback and hence offer various roms deoending on your needs and likes, I personally find 2. lovely to use and look at, and can't complain about the odd soft reset or glitch!

DIR ROM ? - Do It Right ? /Quality Control ?

What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..

AlCapone said:
What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.

husker91 said:
I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I think the point you're missing is that the bugs only become apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....

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apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...

I agree with the sentiment - for those of us who only flash their phones maybe once a month, it would be nice to know a ROM is ultra stable and all known bugs / oddities have been sorted. (or if not, then a comprehensive list of things that are broken, with any workarounds etc) Reading through thousands of posts takes hours and not everybody has the time or inclination for that.
For instance both WM and Manila (and others) are under very active development, there are always new versions coming out. While it would be unreasonable to expect the beta WM builds (23xxx, 28xxx) to be 100% stable, it would be nice for a cook or two to say "right, this combination of components is stable, I'm going to stick with these for a while" instead of always following the very latest cutting edge "LOOK, SHINY TOYS!" at the risk of stability.
As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.

Have you tried AthineOS ROMS? Very fast, very stable. The current Leo 2.02 based ROM is the fastest Sense 2.5 ROM I've tried (and I've tried them all) and stable enough for hassle-free day to day use.

Guyz As far as my experience goes no cook likes to hide the bug list, rather they work to bring more in the light. Users like us are expected to give our submissions. Thats how it works. Things like quality control is not what we have seen here since its not GM factory but a place to share & experiment & success & failure is part of that place.

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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
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I completely disagree. At the rate new builds are released, and with so many new tweaks and items going into ROMs, I think it would take forever for the chef and a select few beta testers to try and figure out all or most bugs in a ROM. I use Arrups ROMs, and he discloses everything that he can, but ultimately its not the chefs responsibility to create a "perfect" rom for Al Capone is it? Everyone uses different applications which can affect the stability of a ROM completely-for example Opera beta 10. I think its much more efficient to have them release the ROMs and let lots of people try and break them, then come back and fix it. And when bugs arise the are put on a "bug list" to be fixed.
We would never see new ROM releases for months if we waited for chefs to perfect stuff. So the people who just flash and leach ROMs cant help out a little?
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?

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As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.

I have to chime in here and agree with the sentiment of this thread. The application of it is much more difficult that it seems. I have been down this road before, trying to get the chefs to post a comprehensive bug list for their ROMs and while they are willing to do it, it is VERY difficult to tell what is a real bug and what is OE (operator error), confusion caused by loading some application, etc that really isn't a bug or a real bug.
For example, I have been running Sergio76's EVO 3 ROM for sometime now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. Stable as hell, fast, good memory, good battery etc. But some of the other users of the same ROM find 'bugs' mostly caused by putting different shells on, or trying to icon sets.
So, my point is BRAVO! this needs to be done, but let's have a good discussion of how to categorize what is a bug, what is an incompatibility, etc. Because, if we simply list all these things as bugs then we run the risk of scaring folks off of flashing a potentially GREAT ROM all because one or two guys muck it up by hacking the registry and it gets put on a bug list.
I would also like to see a 'standard' way all the chefs list bugs, etc.
Russ

iceman4357 said:
why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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bit harsh tbh

MadBeef said:
bit harsh tbh
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I was actually holding back a lot. Unfortunately 90% of people on here dont contribute anything and just expect stuff to happen perfectly. If its so easy, then instead of creating an entire thread to talk about problems, why not make a "perfect" Rom and contribute.

iceman4357 said:
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)

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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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So the chef should worry about reading the 200 posts that you were worried about reading instead of working on ROMs? I am sure that chef mailboxes are full of people reporting bugs on a daily basis.
There are people other than the chefs that have a good deal of experience that help within the thread posts, that free up the chef to continue experimenting and cooking ROMs.
A lot of "common" bugs are specific to builds, such as the landscape issues vs touchflow(sense), or GPS lag which take a lot of time and programming to figure out. These are commonly known across ROMs and builds.
A lot of smaller bugs are from individual customization errors like with S2U2, Opera Beta, lack of knowledge, or custom tweaking.
Chefs, in my opinion, are here to provide a decent platform ROM for us to costimize individually; not to help each individual person with each custom problem they have.

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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks

oyebee said:
can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
We were on about JoshKoss's ROMs.
I've said this for years, something like bugzilla would be good. Not that I have ever used it but something with a bit of structure you know? Flag bugs by component (ie. Manila footprints tab, lock screen, or whatever) then by ROM so the system will know already if it is ROM specific or not. But it still relies on people adding good data, as the saying goes, "Garbage In Garbage Out". An automated config dump tool would be a good step towards that. (an end-to-end "report bug" app would be awesome) After all I don't know what point release of Manila I'm running (1921? 1922??) because I don't really care unless it breaks, or a newer version has more shiny.
Anyway I said this a while ago and we are still "*****ing" about ROMs at a fairly disorganised level, and yet the cooks continue to work their magic, so it can't be all that bad
From another guy who comes on here with not very much to offer yet continues to leech a new ROM once a month or so

Stop the Madness...
Oh Geez....
Yes, I am one of the lurkers here at XDA, having been flashing my phones for years and not really contributing much to the community.
I have made a New Year's resolution to change that, so I am posting more now.
But look at some of the most popular ROMS....
Within hours of a Chef releasing a new version, there are hundreds of posts about it.
From what I gather, 95% if not more of these guys/gals cook up these ROMs in their spare time. They do it because they like to do it. I don't think anyone here is getting rich cooking up a ROM for my TP2. They all have lives and when there can be 40+ pages of posts within a couple days after they release a new version, I don't expect them to read every single one. Especially where a vast majority are people asking how to flash the ROM, how to change the theme or other posts that a simple search would provide the answer.
Most Chefs do post what was fixed, what was improved and a lot of them post issues in their ROMS.
I have spent hours reading page after page trying to figure out an answer to a issue I have had...knowing I was probably not the only one having it.
Do some Chef's not post as much info as I would like? Yes.
Am I going to berate those Chefs for not doing so? No.
Some of the responsibility has to be on the users. Period.
For example, I was and am a fan of the Energy ROMs. But I SMS an insane amount and the newest Leo interface with the HTC messaging client sucked, period. Not to say NRGZ28's ROMs sucked, quite the contrary, they are great. But did those ROMs fill every need that I specifically had? No.
So, I did some research, and I found in a thread where Agent_47 suggested his ROM because he didn't even cook in the HTC SMS messaging client. So, I looked at his thread, flashed the ROM, and realized that I have had no issues with it and am very happy. Stable, works and I don't have to wait 7 minutes sometimes to send a text to someone!
We are all very lucky to have XDA. We are all very lucky to have the Chefs that spend their own time, and a lot of it, to cook up these excellent ROMs for us to flash.
Instead of complaining about the lack of 'bug lists'...perhaps you could create a tool or set something up to help the Chefs better manage those said lists?
That is the spirit that has and continues to make XDA great, if there is something you want, something that you see lacking, then create a tool to fill that void.
If you don't want to do that, then I suggest getting an iPhone, where you are locked into your OS and a slave to Apple and their constant updates and static interface. Cool device, granted, but I prefer the freedom of flashing, the excitement of trying new interfaces, experimenting with new features and lastly, the great folks here at XDA.
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Spankmeister said:
I suggest getting an iPhone
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Let's not get silly

What is the most stable / bugfree ROM available

I use my phone constantly and find even the AT&T stock ROM is not stable. I reboot nearly every day which in itself wouldn't be a problem if I could just reboot in the morning and forget it. However, randomly the ROM gets very very slow and I have to reboot and nearly always just when I need it. I don't need a lot of flash or extras though a little speed boost would be nice. I can install the few extra applications that I need. What I really need is a good, stable ROM.
Any suggestions?

There are lots of good ROMs here. But everyone uses their phone differently. Try one out and see how it goes for you.

verge said:
I use my phone constantly and find even the AT&T stock ROM is not stable. I reboot nearly every day which in itself wouldn't be a problem if I could just reboot in the morning and forget it. However, randomly the ROM gets very very slow and I have to reboot and nearly always just when I need it. I don't need a lot of flash or extras though a little speed boost would be nice. I can install the few extra applications that I need. What I really need is a good, stable ROM.
Any suggestions?
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Mod seem to close these questions very quickly.
But I like to say that I have tried them all and seem to always revert back to Josh's 1.7 (with Sense 2.1) which can be found here....
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/RhodiumFiles/Roms/Joshkoss/1.7_Full_Final.7z

Thanks but ...
I appreciate your input steviewevie but I am doing something not everyone here does ... actually looking for some opinions.

Josh 1.7 Or Jackos OldSchool

I've tried pretty much every GSM ROM out there for my TP2. The most stable with the most available RAM and fastest speed goes out to Jackos Old School 1.1 ROM without a doubt.

I think there should be a new monthly thread poll open for the 1st week of every month with this exact question.
I can understand how the veterans get sick of this and clutter up things.
On the other hand, I can appreciate having the information available. It is frustrating to search and only find locked threads.
Please mods, take me up on this idea, or at least some version of it.
I wish I had time to flash 10 different ROMs to see which is most stable and fits my needs. Let's leave that up to the people that have time, and allow them to summarize their findings via a regular poll.
Thank you

I find my ROM to be quite stable.
I should release it one of these days.
Would you like to be my exclusive BETA tester?

Deep Shining very good.. Ive tried them all
Deep shining is a very good ROM.. I've tried em all .

I have tried just about every cook and i would have to say eras2r makes the most stable ROM for the rhodium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585403
This is the only ROM that i have flashed that never crashes or freezes EVER. i have been using bug free windows mobile for almost a year now

Personally, I find EnergyROM to be my favourite. I know you don't want loads of extras but EnergyROM is very very smooth and looks very nice and then you have those extras to play around with when you get bored!

I have been using Energy with Cookie HomeTab 28th May 2010 verison, and works very well.
Very fast rom, even loads and runs Copilot8 without issues, which is more than the HTC 6.5 rom did.

I agree. Mods, why not put up a mini site with a list of ROMs available - such as a "marketplace" and then let users rank and comment with feedback. I've spent a week searching through all of this trying to figure out which way to go. I can't just flash a ROM, get it all customized, then 2 weeks later do it again. I actually have to use the phone to work. At the very least this would allow people to rule out certain ROMs based on their needs.

Ranking a ROM is so objective... Some users expect features, others speed and all the all business users a reliable ROM is a must. Maybe there should be a "stars-voting" system that allows the user to vote for speed, stability, futures, eye-candy etc.?
Anyway I think that a pinned thread with a ROM index would be enough. Just a basic info + developers comment.

Jackos said:
Ranking a ROM is so objective... Some users expect features, others speed and all the all business users a reliable ROM is a must. Maybe there should be a "stars-voting" system that allows the user to vote for speed, stability, futures, eye-candy etc.?
Anyway I think that a pinned thread with a ROM index would be enough. Just a basic info + developers comment.
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I'm not sure that would help, each entry would be the same:
Content: "list of contents"
Comment: "Best ROM out there - ever"
The contents would change, but the comments wouldn't!

Yeah, because people are too cocksure. I would never call my rom "better" or even "the best". I thought about the chief description as a short note what are goals for each rom.
Ach, and one screenshot would be nice too.

Jackos said:
Yeah, because people are too cocksure. I would never call my rom "better" or even "the best". I thought about the chief description as a short note what are goals for each rom.
Ach, and one screenshot would be nice too.
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My comment was tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, wouldn't you want the Chef of your ROM to be working on having the absolute best ROM out there? Otherwise he/she would not have very much motivation. Think about it:
"Yup, my ROM is OK, but not the best"
Not a ROM I would try...

So make sure you never try my roms
I think that a rom is a personal combination of programs/skins that fit the chief. But that's just my thought
I saw a guy that said something like that: "Asking on xda what's the best rom is like going to a bar and asking with beer is the best". Different persons, different ROM experiences All about taste.

Jackos said:
So make sure you never try my roms
I think that a rom is a personal combination of programs/skins that fit the chief. But that's just my thought
I saw a guy that said something like that: "Asking on xda what's the best rom is like going to a bar and asking with beer is the best". Different persons, different ROM experiences All about taste.
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Myself, I always look for the ROM that "Taste's great, less filling".

toadlife said:
I find my ROM to be quite stable.
I should release it one of these days.
Would you like to be my exclusive BETA tester?
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Toadlife? You're alive and you have a TP2??? Hahah, I remember when you released your kitchen for the Wing, those were the days