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I am in Denver and my local store told (the people i bough the phone from) me that on Oct 15th the Denver area woudl get 3g and HSDPA but i have nether. i have found threads where people say you need to do a reg edit to turn on high speed internet? is this true? is there anyone using a Tilt on a ATT 3g HSDPA network and getting good speeds? has the roll out just not happened in Denver as i was told? or do i need to do a reg edit to get it working?
thanks
Sam
Chem E Sam said:
i have found threads where people say you need to do a reg edit to turn on high speed internet? is this true? is there anyone using a Tilt on a ATT 3g HSDPA network and getting good speeds?
thanks
Sam
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Umm.. could you link to those threads? 3G works right out the box.
I live in the DFW area and 3G speeds can vary from 400kbps to 1mbps. 90% of the time it stays around 700-900kbps. Speed testing shows a wifi connection is about the same. So I almost never turn on wifi if I'm in a 3G area.
roll out must have been delayed, it is not an issue with the device (what kind of connection icon do you get when you go online?)
i get about 175-215kbs ya it sucks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337450
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
are the two threads i read.
"Umm.. could you link to those threads? 3G works right out the box.
I live in the DFW area and 3G speeds can vary from 400kbps to 1mbps. 90% of the time it stays around 700-900kbps. Speed testing shows a wifi connection is about the same. So I almost never turn on wifi if I'm in a 3G area."
thanks for letting me know you are getting it right out of the box. are you using the stock rom?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the SIM be a 3G sim? Have you looked into that?
Chem E Sam said:
I am in Denver and my local store told (the people i bough the phone from) me that on Oct 15th the Denver area woudl get 3g and HSDPA but i have nether.
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I am in Colorado and still no 3G but when I travelled to St. Louis this weekend I magically had 3G service with no registry hacks, etc. running the standad Tilt AT&T ROM. I'd heard the 15th for Denver as well, hopefully soon!
1. You do have to have a 3G Sim.
2. A registry hack may be needed to show HSDPA but 3G will show when you are in coverage.
No hack needed, the hack you refer too is to change the Icon to show HSDPA in use as opposed to always showing 3G in a 3G area.
No about Denver...I read there was an FCC issue and you have another year to wait now. I think it was on Yahoo business news and someone posted it on Hofo.
IN NYC i get 840 down, and 350 up..
right out of the box...
I was in the AT&T store last week here in denver, and the guy said probably closer to Nov. 1st...but I'm not holding my breath.
Sorry if this has been talked about before but im in SoCal (Inland Empire) and ive never gotten above 800kbit/sec on either strictly 3G or HSDPA on my AT&T Tilt. Ive also tested it in Northern California in the Bay Area and same thing..even with full bars. Its happened on any rom ive ever tried and every radio, nothing changes the results. Anyone with similar speeds or with advice to why im not achieving over 1Mbit/sec.
pazookie said:
Sorry if this has been talked about before but im in SoCal (Inland Empire) and ive never gotten above 800kbit/sec on either strictly 3G or HSDPA on my AT&T Tilt. Ive also tested it in Northern California in the Bay Area and same thing..even with full bars. Its happened on any rom ive ever tried and every radio, nothing changes the results. Anyone with similar speeds or with advice to why im not achieving over 1Mbit/sec.
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It's because AT&T doesn't have the backhaul speeds. For example, just because you WiFi connected to your router at G or N speeds doesn't make your cable/dsl download any faster.
And now there's iPhones to suck up whatever there was before.
but att is already supporting 7.6mbps right?
Download speeds can be affected by the radio version. Over here on the East Coast, I regularly get speeds over 1mbps. The newer Neon radios seem to be the fastest when it come to tethering.
ya im running a neon radio (1.58 .27.15) ..I notice a lot of people report their speeds from tethering..I run my speed tests through opera9 on dslreports ( the larger 400k/1mb file version) could this be affecting my results?
Running a speedtest from your phone's browser will always produce a lower result than tethering to a PC by USB.
When tethered, I get around 1.2-1.3mbps on average. But on my phone itself, I rarely break 900kbps. My guess is that the phone cannot physically handle data packets coming in much faster than that. (When writing to internal storage that is)
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ya im running a neon radio (1.58 .27.15) ..I notice a lot of people report their speeds from tethering..I run my speed tests through opera9 on dslreports ( the larger 400k/1mb file version) could this be affecting my results?
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I can't find this NEON radio you're refering to. Don't you mean v1.58.25.17 instead of .27.15?
Main reason: congestion. Socal, inside major city limits has been pretty congested, and in some places, really bad. It just depends on where you are. Att is working on 850mhz overlays, starting on the outskirts and working in, as reports suggest. Just hold on.
Best i've pulled in my indiana crap town is 1.3mbps, mspeed average on 1mb test. This was during off peak times, try testing at 1am on a weekday. We have a low pop density compared to large cities so that helps.
Att isn't 7.2mbit yet, last we heard though, it was in their labs, and intended on deploying 20mbit (roughly) next year, said De La Vega.
Just to clear your device of any fault, run the test on wifi, should do roughly 1.8mbit.
The fastest I got using HSDPA from dslreports.com/mspeed 1mb is 1335kbps. With WiFi I got bewteen 1.7-1.8mbits
I recently got my Kaiser (tilt) and with the speed tests that I have done the fastest download speeds I get are around 700kbits. Is this normal?
On my Titan (Telus) Evdo Rev A I could easily hit 1600kbits.
upstread is about 350kbits vs 500 kbits for EDO Rev A/
The ATT person assured me that their HSDPA was faster than EDO.
If anyone has speed stats, that would be greatly apprecaiated.
Thanks,
David
Yeah man my hdspa through ATT is horrible as well. Dont have figures for you but it drags.
i disagree it depends where you are and then there are TONS of other factors that infulance HSDPA speed. i am in NYC and on good days i get 1.6MB yes you read that right BUT most days its between 900kbs and 750kbs. with all the new 3G iphones on the at-t network now i believe you will see At-t step up there speed before the end of the summer but remember there are TONS of factors that infulance the down and up speed. if your in a major city then your speeds will probably be a little faster.
Hang on, as I understand it (please correct if wrong) HSDPA was rolled out last year, and HSUPA has still to implemented properly?
Anyone?
yes that is correct..a big factor too is your device..i recently found this out but alot of the ca[abilities of hsdpa were meant to achieve via tethering..your device can only write so fast to its rom/storage card and it cant really meet the demands of the downlink speeds of your umts signal so you have a bogged down speed of usually no more than 1mbit (ive NEVER gotten over 900kbit) but tethering you can get upwards of 2mbit
I tried my test with and without tethering. Without tethering it was about 700kbit, with tethering it ranged from 700k to 900k.
This is about half the speed that I had previously with EDO rev A.
Furthermore, what really hurts is the latency. With EDO-A I had about 40ms, with HSDPA (and I believe HSUPA, as someone from AT&T told me) I get close to 500ms.
I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
I have removed the hidden proxy, but I suspect that my data may be going through some odd place in the middle of the US. New York is a lot closer to Chicago than Seattle is.
I wonder if there are settings that we can make to access a different data site, or if we are just using a bad DNS server that directs us to a non-ideal site.
For the record, I generally install "ATT settings", turn off the proxy and then "Remove hidden proxy". I have not tried using the operator config program that is supposed to set things up automatically.
Btw: All tests are with full bars and Radio 1.71????? (e-monster) and a windows mobile 6.1 ROM with Internet sharing 6.0 to allow free tethering (at least I think that is what it is for)
Regarding storage, I am surprised that this could be a limiting factor with the Kaisers RAM and the storage cache sizes that I use.
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I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
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So are you using your Tilt in Canada? Is so, then you are not on AT&T's towers, and the speeds are the fault of the roaming provider, not AT&T.
I get roughly 1700kbps on hspda here in Rochester NY. Im running Slueth v3.0 Rom.
Well, I have HSDPA and im running at 1113 kbps. I have done a speed test 3 times and its around those numbers. So maybe its the radio version or rom. or it could be the coverage area. Im in the NYC.
i work at AT&T not for but at, and i have a tilt unlocked the HSDPA and was averaging 1400kbps and we have little GSM towers in our building(they habg from the cealing and look like upside down vases. so i'm guessing this would be pretty average for "good network conditions."
-MM
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
You can hardcode DNS addresses by editing the settings of your MEdia Net connection. I remember seeing in a different post that people seem to have good success with using OpenDNS' servers.
Hsdpa/Hsupa - Let's See What We Got Out There
I have the Hyperdragon Rom where it has the ability to select whether to enable the "H" HSDPA/HSUPA Mode but I have no idea which one is hooked up when the H is displayed.
Is there a tool that changes between say, an "H" and an "Hu"?
Also, can someone tell me where to learn more about the Open Server stuff for cingular?
Thanks.
pidsw said:
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
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Well, if you are actually PAYING for the PDA/Tether plan ( like me ), you can try using isp.cingular vs wap.cingular. It is definitely faster ( not a "placebo effect" ). My latencies are never in the 500's, although compared to my fiber line its still not comparable lol
This thread is only for users that are UK T-Mobile customers that have only basic Web N Walk. In fact it might only apply to customers that have moved over to Web N Walk on or after January 2008
I have noticed that my download speeds seem to be teetering at the lower end of 3G, slightly better than GPRS, but no way near HSDPA speeds. The test is located at the following site, if you are unable to use Opera try Pocket Internet Explorer.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
I have repeated this test at various points throughout the day and with various signal strengths and have never been able to download faster than 190kbit/sec.
I have been speaking to T-Mobile regarding this issue and they state that HSDPA is only available to Web N Walk Plus customers and not the basic Web N Walk customers. However, colleagues of mine are on the basic Web N Walk and are able to download at HSDPA speeds.
T-Mobile are unable to provide written proof stating that HSDPA is unavailable on basic Web N Walk, the terms and conditions do not state this, and the 1GB fair use policy should ensure no one abuses the additional speed.
Furthermore, the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSDPA enabled phone. I therefore conclude that either I have been miss-sold my contract / phone or T-Mobile have incorrectly disabled HSDPA.
What I would like to do is see if others using the MDA Compact IV are in the same situation, so could you go and do the above test if you are a UK T-Mobile customer on basic Web N Walk and report back on what speed you get.
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
Whoever told you this about HSDPA at certain tariffs on T-Mobile is talking tripe I'm afraid. HSDPA is standard on T-Mobile 3G across the UK now, as is HSUPA UK wide and in London area faster HSDPA.
I'm sure you know that the figures are published at best and you will rarely hit what they publish.
In my area I get a four bar signal but at best I get just over 1mb connection with it usually being around the 300-600 mark. Uploads however have seriously improved since the network upgrade a few weeks ago.
I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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Right this is FACT and it IS on terms and conditions, I read them.
The reason I aborted my pre-order of MDA Compact IV was (amongst others) the fact that the standard web n'walk IS 3G speed only at up to 384kbps.
When I found out I flipped and cancelled and rang Orange retentions and got such a blinding deal I stayed with Orange ! Orange = HSDPA any package.
T-Mobile customers in the UK who have been on web n walk basic for ages may be under old agreement when it was HSDPA. You have to be on wnw PLUS now to get HSDPA for new customers.
dont get it, whats the deal? Why not pay another 5 or so quid and have HSDPA?
Afterall, why do you need HSDPA if your just browsing on your phone???? The only real reason you need HSDPA is if your using your phone as a modem which basic package doesn't allow you to do anyway.
This just makes sense.... so, whats the problem? Its not like its 10's of pounds of diference, its the price of 2 pints in a pub?
HSDPA is useful for web browsing simply because the pages load up up so much quicker.
I use mine to do a bit of browsing on the train after leaving work, and the difference when the coverage drops off to standard GPRS along the journey is very noticeable.
To say that you don't need hsdpa for browsing is like saying we could all make do with 56k modems for browsing at home. Yeah sure we could. but it would be painfully slow.
I am on T-mob, but have the HTC version. When I first got it there was no hsdpa on my account. when the phone detected a hsdpa signal, I could not connect at all, so I phoned 150 and asked the guy to make sure that hsdpa was enabled for my account. He said it should be but he would check. When he checked the system it wasn't set up, but he enabled it there and then, and it was available pretty much straight away
I am on flext 20 + w 'n' w basic
I'll try the dslreports thing tomorrow, but pages do load up much quicker when I have a H signal indicated
GPRS is commonly known as 2.5g
3g is "3g"
HSDPA is commonly known as 3.5g
Speed limits for each
btw: i'm fairly sure the phone supports HSUPA with a quick registry setting. Remember also that HSDPA is a BURST technology, not a sustained/constant technology.
Just because you dont have a "H" in your bar, doesn't mean your getting slow speeds - 3g IS quick enough for webbrowsing. You get normal 3g connection on Web'n'Walk basic.
So my question still stands, why do you NEED 3.5G HSDPA speeds for webbrowsing when 3G (Normal) IS way fast enough? If I was T-mobile I would use the same method for discouraging people using the phone as a modem when they are not supposed to - mind you 3g is still waaaaay fast enough for most stuff.
The fact you couldn't connect when your phone shows a H in the bar is odd... glad you got that sorted out.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
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I was on the basic package, I have not requested to move up neither have I been told that I have been moved up. The potential difference here is that I was on web n walk before Jan this year.
Good luck in trying to sort this out. i've decided to go (back) to Vodafone at the end of my contract in Nov because T mobile network coverage is so shocking.
did a few speed tests on mine this morning:
on the train
GPRS - 37 kbps
HSDPA - 498 - 1514 kbps
at my desk
HSDPA - 778 - 1231 kbps
was on web n walk basic for two years before upgrading to the diamond
and your trying to tell us 37k/s isn't fast enough to render webpages? If your experiencing slow webpages with this speed, its not your link at fault.
edit: at its at least 3x faster than you could dream of on a 56k modem!
Everyone who has responded so far has been on the Web N Walk package before Jan 2008. I would like to hear from someone who has only recently moved over to Web N Walk.
@ Monty Burns
1. There are better was to ensure that Web N Walk basic customers do not use their phone as a modem, such as a fair use policy, which they have. Why restrict how fast someone gets to that 1GB limit!
2. Yes back in the day 56K seemed fast, but you got to understand that the bar is constantly moving, back them most pages where static HTML, these days we have java, video streaming, audio streaming, not to mention bandwidth intensive apps such as Google maps.
I do notice the difference between what is effectively 3G speeds and WiFi. It’s frustrating and T-Mobile should see common sense and allow everyone to use HSDPA, it doesn’t cost them any extra to do so.
@ ns73
Please point me in the direction of the terms and conditions you read, as I cannot find this anywhere!
yes your correct, the bar is higher but .. why do you need 3.5g to do it? 3g is way fast enough and will happily fill up your phone very quickly!
I suspect there is some form of limitation to HSDPA connection/s which is why, if i was t-mobile, i would limit it to those paying for the full package. As your only supposed to be browsing, you just don't need 3.5 when 3 is still massive overkill.
I remember few years ago when HSDPA just came out I rung up T-mobile and they had to tick the box for HSDPA enabled. I believe you can also do this yourself by logging into the T-mobile website and managing your account
You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, and while it may not have been stated when you connected, it was also not stated that you WOULD get HSDPA. If you connected to WNW over a year or so ago you may have slipped the net, and still have access at the higher speed.
As far as "ticking a box" is concerned, I don't believe this option is still present on their' systems, and even when it was it was simply for legacy purposes and you should have never have had it ticked in the first place.
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, .....
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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Exactly. Cough up and get the larger packet (about 2 beers a month!!!? If you can't spare that, you have more serious concerns), live with no HSDPA (why do you need it anyway when your not allowed to use it as a modem) or go to another telcom.
well i've just taken out my compact IV on tmobile, flext 30 with W+W my signal at home is shocking, but at work connects over HSDPA and returns between 992 and 1324 so far, just with standard and new line taken out on tuesday
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
There is a limitation to the number of connections per cell station. The cell station has algorithms built in to automatically share the data between HSDPA, 3G, GPRS, and GSM. However, this ratio is adjusted every few milliseconds on the fly and would only be a factor if a large number of people are downloading at the same time.
@ lx_t,
This option is no longer available on the T-Mobile website.
@ OK!
Your right WNW basic does not state that it includes HSDPA, but neither does any of the other WNW tariffs, so in that case as its not explicitly stated one way or the other, it is implicitly implied. Furthermore the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSPDA phone, it does not state that this is subject to being on a particular WNW tariff.
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@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
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Thats not the link. you cannot notice the diference between 3g and 3.5g on a web browser on your phone... unless the web page has tens of links to some seriously high megapixel pictures of course but then, the phone would cave in anyway.
Check out the link i posted above for the speeds. 3g is like using a ferrari to race a push bike when it comes to speeds needed for web pages. HSDPA is designed for "modem" use and heavy downloading and for web browsing is like using a Veyron.... if you think 3g isn't good enough, your never going to be happy with web browsing on a phone.
I've spent more than £5 pounds worth of my time trying to explain this and thats all it would cost you a month to get a little more priority on the t-mobile network and a higher fup. Why are you so cheap? Why should you get maximum speeds on cheapest package? its FIVE pounds.
Now, where's the nearest wall, i think it might be less painfull head butting it than this thread ....
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Hi all: first time poster, long-time lurker here. I'm thoroughly impressed with the level of discourse and amount of knowledge and information on these forums and the associated Wiki pages. I'm still a total newb when it comes to SmartPhones in general, but I'm trying to climb the steep learning curve as quickly as I can.
Background: Have 2-week old AT&T Tilt phone with AT&T voice and data coverage. Have experimented with a few different shipped and cooked ROMs, and have settled on the BRR-HTC-2.0 Lite ROM. It's basically a barebones version of the latest HTC Shipped ROM, and I have installed the following programs:
HouMing File Explore Extension
HTC TaskManager
Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
HTC Connection Setup
Microsoft Live Search
Google Search
Opera 9.5 Beta (IE is still default browser, though)
Adlobe Reader LE 2.0
Vicsoft ClearTemp
Cyberon VoiceCommander
HTC QuickGPS
HTC Home
Jblend Java
TCPMP
Skunkworks FlashVideoBundle
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Am I connected "correctly"? With the out-of-the-box AT&T Rom, my connection "bars" had a "3G" on top of them (as long as I was in a 3G zone, of course!), and the data connectivity icon also showed a "3G". Now, both areas show an "H" where a "3G" once was, and although I'm pretty sure everything is fine, there's a naggine though that something isn't right.
I tested my download speed at CNet's Bandwidth Speed Test and got a download speed of 374.9 Kbps. Does this sound about right for the AT&T 3G network? Should I be concerned that something is wrong?
- DDB
It used to say 3G and only H when it was transfering data and shortly after. Now it says H all the time in most areas. It also used to say 3G AT&T for the network name when 3G was available but now it just says AT&T. They must have changed the network somehow.
The "H" icon stands for HSDPA. It is an upgraded standard of the 3G network. Basically, you are using 3G, but your phone is letting you know you are in a service area that supports HSDPA - this is a good thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
Thanks!
Thank you both for the quick feedback. Sounds like I have nothing to worry about.
I'm also now having issues with connecting to my mail servers, but I'll save that question for another thread.
Thanks again!
DDB
xconradx said:
The "H" icon stands for HSDPA. It is an upgraded standard of the 3G network. Basically, you are using 3G, but your phone is letting you know you are in a service area that supports HSDPA - this is a good thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
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Actually, what I've heard is that H indicates HSPA.. The phone still registers 3G if the area only has HSDPA, but when it also has HSUPA, combined being HSPA, it shows H.
So do speed tests ethered via USB, let us know the results.. Make sure you test downlink and uplink of course.
Test Speeds
When people mention test speeds, how is that accomplished? I have gone to online speed test websites via my tilt, but I continually see "via usb". Is this using the internet sharing and a laptop? Thanks for the help!