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3G not working on Tilt

I just got my Tilt last night, then called ATT and had the IMEI put in and made sure to ask that 3G is enabled.
However, I'm in my classroom in NYC right now, and all I get is an "E" above my bars, which I assume means edge. I have 3G turned on in comm manager, why am I not getting it?
I'm running dutty's touchflo rom for tilt beta, also i just ran a speedtest and it was 119kbps down so definitely not 3G, how can i fix this?

mikesaint27 said:
I just got my Tilt last night, then called ATT and had the IMEI put in and made sure to ask that 3G is enabled.
However, I'm in my classroom in NYC right now, and all I get is an "E" above my bars, which I assume means edge. I have 3G turned on in comm manager, why am I not getting it?
I'm running dutty's touchflo rom for tilt beta, also i just ran a speedtest and it was 119kbps down so definitely not 3G, how can i fix this?
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It depends if there is 3G available in "that side of town"

Yes I've checked the coverage viewer, I mean I'm right in NYC and 3G was always active on my Helio Ocean when I had it.

When I am not actively using the deivce for transferring data, it seems to "fall back" to Edge. -Then when I transfer data I'll see the 3G or H icon to indicate a better / faster connection.
I am wondering if this isn't the desired funtionality to save power? -I have read in many many places that Edge is much more battery friendly than 3G and / or HSDPA

mikesaint27 said:
Yes I've checked the coverage viewer, I mean I'm right in NYC and 3G was always active on my Helio Ocean when I had it.
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Where are u in NYC? Cross street? Area?
Im in mid-town with full 3G.
Also, if I'm not mistaken Helio runs on one of the CDMA networks(Sprint/Verizon), so having 3G on your Ocean wont necessarily mean that you'll have it on your Tilt.

AT&T US 3G Not working on Tilt

I'm in an area that supposedly has 3G coverage (Portland, Oregon). But...
My Tilt has never connected to the 3G network. I've gone to many areas thoughout the metro area, power cycled my phone (to see if it picked up new towers) but I never get 3G connectivity. The "3G" Icon has never displayed on my Tilt.
I've tried different radios which doesn't make a difference.
Suggestions anyone?

Wow, a local!
I have HSDPA almost everywhere in Portland (fastest 3G standard). Even with it not enabled, I have 3G in most of the metro area, including Vancouver where I live.
What icon is displayed?

I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?

HSDPA is what you want to see! It's the fastest version of 3G, and the newest available.
E is Edge, its 2G, not as fast but not horrible... Until Edge Evo comes out.
The data coverage maps from ATT are usually pretty bad. It doesnt have to say 3G for it to be 3G. HSDPA is 3G (the best) as well as other variants.
Do you notice a hit in your download speeds?

hmmmm... how confusing. If HSPDA is 3G. What's the point of the "3G" icon?
At my apartment I only get 1 maybe 2 bars of service if I am lucky so that means that while I am home "E" is the best I can get (or expect). But...
When I am out and about I get the "H" icon occasionally. Is there a good way to test my connection speed?

Yeah it's sort of weird... Here's a breakdown.
standards
GSM / UMTS (3GPP) Family
2G
* GSM
* GPRS
* EDGE (EGPRS)
o EDGE Evolution
* HSCSD
3G
* UMTS (3GSM)
* HSPA
o HSDPA
o HSUPA
o HSPA+
* UMTS-TDD
o TD-CDMA
o TD-SCDMA
* FOMA
Pre-4G
* UMTS Revision 8
o LTE
o HSOPA (Super 3G)
cdmaOne / CDMA2000 (3GP)
From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
I don't particularly like Wikipedia, but this should help. I'm sure there is a program that will test your connection speed, but you can try something simple like connecting and downloading a cab, lets say Google Maps. Then you can run Google Maps and see how fast you get your satellite image up. There is probably a better way but that should show any big differences.
EDIT: I should add that 3G usually denotes a mix or standards available. It's just a generalization, and the fastest will be chosen by your phone (this is how I understand it)
Also, what ROM and radio are you using?

well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.

Thanks for that breakdown. Gives me a much better perspective.
I've tried a couple of the more popular ROMs. But recently I've been using Q-Mobile 1.2 - It's treated me well. I'm still trying to understand why Dutty's roms are so popular. I can't figure out what makes people flock to his ROM's over the others.
I've also tried out some different radio's. None of them seem to make any improvement (while at my apartment) but currently I am using 1.27.15.32 because I am under the impression that it is the newest radio and therefore should somehow be better.
I'm also unsure if I have the correct data connection settings setup after flashing a ROM. From what I am able to find the only thing I need to do is use "wap.cingular" Then I go into advanced settings and input the OpenDNS servers in for the DNS. Do I need to add any other AT&T specific information after flashing. I've read that there is some sort of proxy information needed as well but its not very clear.
Anywho, what settings for data do you use? What Radio, ROM?

phan10m said:
well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.
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Yeah, I read about that. Aparently AT&T has no clue what happened. And to make matters worse there is more data outages today.
But I'm convinced that my issue is unrelated to all that since I've been experiencing these issues way before the data outages.

I'm glad that helped. I use the Stock HTC ROM 1.56.405.5 with Radio 1.27.12.11 (It's packaged with the radio). It's a legit HTC release, which means very little bugs and it's fast. Flash and hard-reset and you are good to go.
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_1.56.405.5_radio_sign_22.45.88. 07_1.27.12.11_Ship.exe
You can find it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=331900
Anyways, I've heard good things about the Q-Mobile roms, but I've been so happy with the .11 radio that the HTC stock works great for me. The .11 radio is also packaged in the stock ATT ROM your device shipped with.
When you first boot, it will prompt you to setup data, and for me it gets all the settings automatially and takes about 5 seconds to do it. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you just use the wap.cingular, but in all honestly I've never had to do it. I also am not sure why people go crazy over Dutty ROMS. It's almost blastphemy to say that on this forum, and I really appreciate his hard work but they arnt for me either. I like real fast,not too flashy and super usable (and stable, of course, why I love HTC stock ROM's)
I just looked now, my access point name is isp.cingular. Never bothered with it before.
I'll check up on this thread tomorrow, hope this helps you out!

Please ignore this.

Interesting... You make a good argument about the stock HTC ROM. I'll have to try that and see if reception and data speeds are any better.
Although my Tilt came with radio 1.27.12.17 - I've only had it for a couple of weeks so they may have put a newer radio on it.
As far as ROM's go, I'm just looking for something that I can use as a baseline. I don't like programs cooked in. I'd rather have a clean ROM and install what I want. But, on the other hand I do like how the cooked roms often contain the latest updates baked right in.
I'm off to flash to the HTC Stock ROM. I'll let you know how that goes.
Thanks for your help, it's nice to have a local to bounce things off of

I don't care for everything cooked in either. The HTC Stock is pretty bare-bones. The only thing I would recommend adding is Nadavi's upadted camera, dumped from Polaris...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587
And of course the Tilt Keyboard Fix...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911
Also, Youtube and streaming video work out of the box, you don't have to do anything fancy to get GPS working (run GPStest, etc...) and besides that there is not much needed. Any eye candy can be easily added.
BUT, remember to hard-reset after flash! It makes a big difference, at least for me.
Let me know how it goes!

Superspiker said:
I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?
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H is faster than standard UMTS, and yes, its HSDPA. You will only see the H while data is being actually sent/received though. When no data is being transferred you will see 3G.
-Jay

3G not working with HTC shipping ROM?

Firstly, let me thank everyone who does all the SUPERB work on this site, developing software, ROMs, and tools that us normal users would otherwise never see...
Here's my problem:
I got a Kaiser with the shipping AT&T ROM on it - I'm in the US.
I wanted to get rid of the bloatware and other crap that AT&T puts on the device, and take it back to an HTC ROM.
The problem is, I can only connect to the EDGE network, and I'm only getting 40-60k transfers - I know that with my Samsung Sync (my previous phone) I was getting 1.3-1.5Mbps using the same site to test (http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed)
Is this a limitation within the HTC ROM? If so, does anyone know if newer HTC ROM's (perhaps even with WM6.1) will fix this problem, or do I HAVE to use an AT&T ROM to access the 3G (HSPDA) network in the US?
Thanks in advance for your time!!!

Do you see the icon 3G and it changes to H once you're accessing the internet? If no, you might want to check if you correctly config the connection.
I myself don't trust http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed when it runs on PIE web browser. I did the benchmark on 2 different types of connection, at&t HSDPA and Verizon FiOS* Wifi, and it comes up nearly the same speed 1.3-1.5Mbps.
*I have 15 Mbps download package.

Yes, it DOES do that (Mr President...lol)
What site do you prefer to test the speed of your 3G connection? I was hoping to use Speedtest.net, but doubt that they support mobile.
So, I guess that you're saying my connection is probably just fine, but that the site is problematic?
Thanks for the quick reply, btw!!
- Mark

I don't pay attention too much on speed. But, there are many ways to confirm that you're connected to 3G network.
If the answer is yes for any question below, then you're 3G.
a. Tethering internet via your PC on "internet sharing" mode and make a call at the same time.
b. Stream any audio broadcast with bitrate above 196Kbps.
Enjoy.

Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.

Lidberg said:
Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.
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I'm in Pittsburgh - I know for certain that I'm in 3G territory, as I just got the Kaiser a few weeks ago, and before that, was using a Samsung Sync tethered to my laptop, and getting 1.3 - 1.5 MBps....

UPDATE
Must have had a lousy signal where I was trying it before - I tried it again, using the same site, and was getting 500-600k - so I guess it's hitting the 3G network, but for some reason, changing the 3G icon to an H, presumably indicating HSPDA.
All's well...can one of the mod's please lock this thread? Thanks!
- Mark

3G and HSPDA auto switch with specific programs

i just had an idea if anyone has ever heard of something like this. i was wondering since touchflo can be enables and disables upon specific program titles... i was wondering if it would be possible to have a program to auto switch the 3G and HSPDA network upon specific programs as well.
for example: if internet explore is closed the 3G and HSPDA signal would be off, and the device would run off edge to conserve battery, and if internet explore is opened then it would switch the 3G and HSPDA signal on for internet browsing.
of course this can be implemented for specifc programs not just only for internet explore.
i was wondering has anyone ever heard of this before? or could possibly develope this?

sounds like bandswitch or commmgrpro to me, look at www.commmgrpro.com

I played around with Kaisertweak today, after hardresetting my phone and disalbing the att customizations. I enabled the HSPDAoption in the tweak settings and now the connection in the start bar shows "H" whereas before I Did all that it said 3G.
My question: Which one is faster on AT&T Network? I don't have data connection turned on but will be doing so soon, I can experiment but figured someone here could answer based on experience.
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thank you i will give them both a test

dman7777 said:
I played around with Kaisertweak today, after hardresetting my phone and disalbing the att customizations. I enabled the HSPDAoption in the tweak settings and now the connection in the start bar shows "H" whereas before I Did all that it said 3G.
My question: Which one is faster on AT&T Network? I don't have data connection turned on but will be doing so soon, I can experiment but figured someone here could answer based on experience.
[edit] Found info here: Thread Link [/edit]
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With HSDPA it's suppose to be a bit faster than it being disabled and just using the norm 3G connection. I live in PA and when I had my Tilt on normal 3G it would lose signal when I went to new jersey but with HSDPA turned on it stayed longer before it dropped out but that was because I went from metro coverage to middle of nowhere in jersey.

I haven't noticed any appreciable DL speed difference with HSDPA activated or turned off (via KaiserTweak). I'm almost always in the Chicago metro area with plentiful UTMS and I also tend to revert to WiFi which is available almost everywhere here, so YMMV.

HSUPA on Diamond

I've seen I can activate the HSUPA on my Diamond, so I did it, but how can I know if I'm connected using HSDPA or HSUPA, is there an other icon? (like an H+ icon)

You'll get an H icon instead of 3G or G.

I've already got an H with HSDPA, but is it the same with HSUPA?

d3us said:
I've seen I can activate the HSUPA on my Diamond, so I did it, but how can I know if I'm connected using HSDPA or HSUPA, is there an other icon? (like an H+ icon)
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i read that the icon will change to U

Aqrab said:
i read that the icon will change to U
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Not so sure i believe that myself...U was the old 3G icon that was used in early WM5 builds, but most people call it 3G, not UMTS so they changed it.
@d3us. you do realise that HSDPA and HSUPA are the same thing in different directions right? it's not an either or thing. they work together at the same time. HSDPA is the download link and HSUPA is the upload link.
So if you have enabled it, and your network supports it, and it is enabled on your account.....you should be using both HSDPA and HSUPA when you see the H icon, but for most of the time, and unless you are sending serious amounts of data, you'd never notice it just browsing, watching youtube and using messenger.
however, sending emails with huge attachments....then you might notice it.

I don't know if it's enabled on my account, that's why I was wondering, then the only way to know is to test my upload rate.

yeah you wont see any difference on the display.
your upload will just be alot faster

what network you on?
AFAIK, in the UK, the only network that has turned HSUPA on for their whole network is t-mobile. although as they share with 3, i wouldn't be surprised if they had it as well.
if your on any of the other UK networks, or in another country, i can't tell you i'm afraid.

3 in Denmark says that they don't support HSUPA but I still get a much higher upload when I enable it

it could well be that they are working to launch it and have just not announced it yet. Vodafone in the UK had HSDPA for a couple of months before they actually announced it to the public.....
Still, if you're getting the higher speeds, that's pretty sweet!

I'm using Orange in France, they should have deployed the HSUPA in some cities since January but I can't test now since I'm still on holidays using an EDGE connection^^
Orange claims HSUPA improve the ping, I hope it's true.