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I Need Help Before I Scream (GPS Error)

Hi All
I very recently purchased a Orange TyTn II from ebay and before I start to chase the seller for a refund (which might be a struugle)has anyone got any ideas how I can get the GPS working. When Tomtom, memory map or the HTC gps tool tries to access the GPS chip the right hand LED flashes every 8 secs or so but no GPS data is displayed and the software either locks up or drops out.
Also is there much Orange branding on it as this one appears to have none so I suspect it may have had a rom upgrade.
I think the version is 1.27.12.11 as that is whats displayed on the boot screen
Please Help

Go to start, settings, System Tab at the bottom and click on Device information. Tell us what you have there. Then we'll be able to tell you more. Either way I think the phone is fixable by just do a flash upgrade on it. Maybe someone else can tell you more.

Rom Version 1.1 Sleuth
Rom Date 08/28/07
Radio 1.27.12.11
Protocol 22.45.88.07h
If that helps

commanderaj said:
Rom Version 1.1 Sleuth
Rom Date 08/28/07
Radio 1.27.12.11
Protocol 22.45.88.07h
If that helps
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You've definately got a cooked Rom there - but no worries because Sleuth Roms are great (one of my favourites), and work no problem with TomTom.
I also think the radio is fine - but I think (?) I used 1.27.12.32 with Sleuth... but before you jump in and start flashing, make sure you read lots, have hardSPL and read the WIKI.
As the phone is used you may be better off doing a hard reset before going any further. Make sure you sync and back up your data first because this will be lost. Also make a note of any installed programs because you may need to dig out .cabs for these and re-install afterwards.
As for the GPS - I posted this a while back which seems to have helped a couple of others...
1. Back up all my data, emails, sms's to my PC.
2. Make sure I have all the re-install cabs ready.
3. Flash new rom (or in your case do a hard reset).
4. Wait until rom is loaded - don't configure anything yet - and hard reset again (this is reported to make the rom run faster).
5. NEVER TOUCH EXTERNAL GPS SETTINGS.
6. Configure all things built-in to the rom (like timezone, language settings, notifications etc) BEFORE connecting to the pc.
7. Connect to pc and re-sync all my outlook data.
8. Switch off kaiser then switch on again using power button (not soft reset) - this forces any registry changes to be written to registry before the reset is performed.
9. Run quickGPS.
10. I always install and set-up my GPS programs next: GpsTEST, Visual GPSCE and TomTom.
Now to set-up GPS.
11. Make sure phone is well charged.
12. Go somewhere outside with a good view of the sky, no buildings etc - preferably no clouds.
13. Run QuickGPS again if this was first run more than a couple of hours ago.
14. Start GpsTEST. This will scan your phone and automatically set up the program for the correct com port and baud rate.
14. Leave GpsTEST running, put the phone down and drink a cup of tea or two, read a book etc - keep checking the phone every 10 minutes or so. I normally get a fix within a few minutes but sometimes 30 or 60 if sight of sattellites is not too good.
15. When GpsTEST shows as running (you'll have a number in the HDOP box and green vertical bars) the GPS is now working fine.
16. Now I start my tomtom and usually find sattellites within seconds.
17. I then ALWAYS run GpsTEST or VisualGPSCE before starting my navigation program (tomtom) because it gets a fix much quicker.
Let us know if this works and I hope it helps...

Will give it a go in the morning and let you know how I get on
Thanks

stupid eBay. At least, you got a better rom though and the person above me had great advice so use it wisely before you return a great phone.

Its still not working,
Hard Reset to start a fresh, ran quick gps, then ran gpstest, it scanned the ports and when it reached Com4 it hung,I left it for a few mins and tried to close the prog, which it did but the GPS led kept flashing, no further forwards.
Help please pretty please

Flashed Rom
Now Sleuth 3.0
Now communicating with GPS
Will see if I get a fix next
Fingers crossed

Jobs a good un
Tomtom works
Happy now

This is one of very few post's that makes you happy when you read it
I member struggle's, help is offered, problem's gone (even though the help didn't work originally )
Well done XDA

commanderaj said:
Flashed Rom
Now Sleuth 3.0
Now communicating with GPS
Will see if I get a fix next
Fingers crossed
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Oh no!!! Now you're really in trouble... Now you can flash Roms, Your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife/vacuum/favourite pet etc will now take second place to XDA and the flashing frenzy
Make sure the person you bought from had put HardSPL on the phone (go into bootloader and it will tell you the SPL version) - if not, flash it before you put any more roms/radios on.
Also, if you didn't upgrade your radio you'll probably need to because Sleuth 3.0 is a WM6.1 based rom. If you don't you may get camera and/or sound problems.
Anyway, glad you sorted it out

I loaded Hard Spl myself and the Radio was upgraded at the same time.

(SOLVED) GPS Solution for Diamond- Cooks please look

Hi everyone
I have spent a lots of hours searching for the answer to bad gps reception on diamond, through different forums.I was about to sell the diamond when I finally came with a solution and that is Hard Reset after each Rom flashing.
For a few days I could not get a gps fix, no matter what I did. I tried Quick gps, Gps tool , Google map, iGo8 and Garmin. Somewhere I read that it could be the Rom I am using. So today I flashed 4 different roms including Dutty's, bepe and panosha but no gps fix. Finally I did a Hard reset and viola, it found the satellites within 10 seconds inside near the window on all the different Gps softwares without any problem.
So here is the procedure:
***After a ROM flash finish the usual soft reset and stuff and then do a HARD RESET. Download the data through Quick Gps and your gps should work properly at its default settings.***
Actually I found that Diamond is faster than TYTNII for getting the Gps fix.
Now if the Cooks can find out what causes this behaviour so we do not have to do a hard reset after every new flash.
Please share the findings.
Cheers!!!
********* Ok I have been flashing all the new roms and Gps was not working even with the hard reset. Finally I flashed CT's Beta lite2 Rom, did a hard reset and viola Gps is working flawlessly for the last three days. This Rom is actually the fastest and very clean among all the other roms I tried ( no offence to all the other great Cooks ). Please try it and share your findings!

Well, now i know why i dun have GPS problems...
i hard-reset after each flash ... just a habit inherited while using artemis...

Hi, nice tip
When you had done a hard reset, is the GPS working fine after several reboot ?
It will be nice if someone on XDA or HTC find a solution

Yes its working fine since then and I have done several soft resets.

Fine here. The only thing that made the GPS not work for me was turning on A-GPS.

Doesn't work for me. I have changed my ROM to bElite 0.93, have done a hard reset, loaded quickgps data and still no fix after half an hour on the window.

Try going outside in the clear. If you get the fix then its the location of your window.

try using HTC GPS Tool, it fixed for me once:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360477
install the cab, run it, then choose "Cold Start" let it run for awhile then try using your GPS software again.

Re: GPS Not Working
tararura said:
Hi everyone
I have spent a lots of hours searching for the answer to bad gps reception on diamond, through different forums.I was about to sell the diamond when I finally came with a solution and that is Hard Reset after each Rom flashing.
For a few days I could not get a gps fix, no matter what I did. I tried Quick gps, Gps tool , Google map, iGo8 and Garmin. Somewhere I read that it could be the Rom I am using. So today I flashed 4 different roms including Dutty's, bepe and panosha but no gps fix. Finally I did a Hard reset and viola, it found the satellites within 10 seconds inside near the window on all the different Gps softwares without any problem.
So here is the procedure:
***After a ROM flash finish the usual soft reset and stuff and then do a HARD RESET. Download the data through Quick Gps and your gps should work properly at its default settings.***
Actually I found that Diamond is faster than TYTNII for getting the Gps fix.
Now if the Cooks can find out what causes this behaviour so we do not have to do a hard reset after every new flash.
Please share the findings.
Cheers!!!
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HI, ... Hard Reset,- you mean reformatting the internal storage as well? - i've done hard reset but still the gps can't fix location- says in HTC GPS tool - Mode 2: Not Fix
thanks

Mode 2: Not fix...
And the sattelites numbers show just #? Or u can see actual sattelite numbers?
Reason I'm asking is, if you just see #... then ur GPS is scr###d up and the cold start could really help.
If you do see the actual numbers, but no reception bars, then you have to get ourside into the clear sky. Be aware that nowadays windows are protective for keeping the heat of the sun outside. At the same time it keeps GPS for 95% out too.

akito said:
Mode 2: Not fix...
And the sattelites numbers show just #? Or u can see actual sattelite numbers?
Reason I'm asking is, if you just see #... then ur GPS is scr###d up and the cold start could really help.
If you do see the actual numbers, but no reception bars, then you have to get ourside into the clear sky. Be aware that nowadays windows are protective for keeping the heat of the sun outside. At the same time it keeps GPS for 95% out too.
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Thanks akito- there's numbers-- as if it's a poor signal... same location in my window with the BT Gps receiver gives me 3D in Mode 2 almost instantly. - i'll keep trying. again thanks

You haven't been playing around with the GPS settings in the configuration of 'external GPS'? The standard settings are: GPS program port COM4 / Hardware port = none with a baud of 4800. Access tab should have GPS set to be managed automatically. Also, you have not enabled AGPS in any way like with a registry key or the advanced config program?

akito said:
You haven't been playing around with the GPS settings in the configuration of 'external GPS'? The standard settings are: GPS program port COM4 / Hardware port = none with a baud of 4800. Access tab should have GPS set to be managed automatically. Also, you have not enabled AGPS in any way like with a registry key or the advanced config program?
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all is in default (Diamond Project Rom) as i just did a hard reset - a gps is disabled via advance config.

akito said:
Mode 2: Not fix...
And the sattelites numbers show just #? Or u can see actual sattelite numbers?
Reason I'm asking is, if you just see #... then ur GPS is scr###d up and the cold start could really help.
If you do see the actual numbers, but no reception bars, then you have to get ourside into the clear sky. Be aware that nowadays windows are protective for keeping the heat of the sun outside. At the same time it keeps GPS for 95% out too.
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hi, nice tip
i have the same problem -> mode 2 : fix not vailble
I can see the satelite numbers, and there is some red in the reception bars (not for all, just 3), but wherever i run my navigation software (tomtom 6), why i cant get the signal GPS???? 20mins waiting, i think it is enough.
I had disabled AGPS

coca8888 said:
hi, nice tip
i have the same problem -> mode 2 : fix not vailble
I can see the satelite numbers, and there is some red in the reception bars (not for all, just 3), but wherever i run my navigation software (tomtom 6), why i cant get the signal GPS???? 20mins waiting, i think it is enough.
I had disabled AGPS
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same probleme
solution for fix not vaible
the gps is broken ?

My problem is not the fix, but rather the lag and lack of precision while navigating...
I have more or less 5 seconds of lag, and the precision is awful...
If I use a BT external receiver connected to Diamond, than I don't have this problem...
It seems that the receiver is refreshing to less, or the communication between the receiver and the GPS software is too slow...
HastaSSSS

derkie said:
all is in default (Diamond Project Rom) as i just did a hard reset - a gps is disabled via advance config.
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I've fixed my gps problem. I just tried to force change the gps port from settings>external gps from port 4 to port 6 and in my tomtom, i choose other receiver then tap port 6,was showing poor signal- i minimized tomtom, opened htc gps tool opened port 4 at 4800 cold start> gives me error message that the port is closed and it will force open nmea but still fail, in this part i tapped nav init.. then closed it- opened port 6 in cold start> showing all sat in #### instead of numbers. then closed it. then go to settings>external gps> then choose port 4, opened tomtom then went to gps configure and now change it to built in gps... i get full 3d 6 green bars indoor. all ok even after a hard reset. Thanks

Yeah...but how to solve the lag and accuracy issues...?...
HastaSSSS

s1rl4ncel0t said:
Yeah...but how to solve the lag and accuracy issues...?...
HastaSSSS
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So far i dont have accuracy issue. i tried igo8 using bt receiver (SiRF III) compared it to the internal gps- it's just the same , internal gps loads even faster- In TomTom7- if i use bt receiver, some voice instructions is not complete unlike the internal gps which is flawless- maybe it's the rom/radio...

I don't have any problem
"Bonjour" (since I am french !!! )
I tried the GPS with TomTOM V7 = no problem
with garmin XT no pb
First idea
Within the programm window I have a "fast GPS" programme
Do you have this ?
Did you run it ?
Second idea
You should enable Agps in advanced config
On my diamond if I disable it doesn't work anymore
Third idea
Try to see if "GPS utilities" works
Google it it's a basic cab file for showing basic GPS (position, speed, elevation.... )
Let me know
Diamond FrencH Rom 1.37.406.1 FRE

Help with GPS

I tried everything and i am jst giving up. what can i do to make this friggin gps work? I followed everything meticulously on ppcgeeks http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36639 without any luck. google maps keeps search for satelites, and nothing. always number is zero. do you have any idea what could be wrong? i am on telus cdma network btw.

hi friend...
1st in which area of this sad world do you live??
2nd what is your mobile operator??
3rd do you have a costant/flat umts/gprs connection trought your mobile??
bye,
davide

i live in toronto. i had blackberry curve before this and the gps was smooooth.
this one is being alil biatch.
i am with telus
the third question i don't understand, but my blackberry curve was also with telus, for a week before diamond arrived and the gps was excellent. i don't know why diamond gps is so screwed up. as i said, my diamond is the cdma version. any help is much appriciated, thank you.

I think to know what can be... I mean that happened something similiar to me, but because I cook a new rom every week the problem has disapperead itself.
Anyway I think it can depend by an old problem relative to a dns library that can be overwritten by some software, like for ex some voip software, this cause the internal gps to stop working.
Just tell me if your gps is detected, I mean if your software (for ex tomtom) searches for sats or it says something similar to "gps not found".
If your gps is detected but the software searches sats for infinite time you must look this procedure:
I strongly suggest, just for have a fast response, to use a software like "gps tool" (download from here): go in an open space & install the cab file, then choose com4 => select "clear memory" => & finally "open", go to information window & wait for at least 5 minutes (you must be patient the 1st time), until you read: mode 2D fix... the bars go from red to green, when you have a fix press (in the 1st page) "nav init", after few seconds you can press "close" & exit the program, now open you favorite nav software & you'll get a fix in few seconds.
Instead if your gps isn't detetced you must look this procedure:
hard reset your mobile, because your dns dlls are corrupted
let me know if you have results... bye,
davide

Hi bro!its me again!

suiller said:
I think to know what can be... I mean that happened something similiar to me, but because I cook a new rom every week the problem has disapperead itself.
Anyway I think it can depend by an old problem relative to a dns library that can be overwritten by some software, like for ex some voip software, this cause the internal gps to stop working.
Just tell me if your gps is detected, I mean if your software (for ex tomtom) searches for sats or it says something similar to "gps not found".
If your gps is detected but the software searches sats for infinite time you must look this procedure:
I strongly suggest, just for have a fast response, to use a software like "gps tool" (download from here): go in an open space & install the cab file, then choose com4 => select "clear memory" => & finally "open", go to information window & wait for at least 5 minutes (you must be patient the 1st time), until you read: mode 2D fix... the bars go from red to green, when you have a fix press (in the 1st page) "nav init", after few seconds you can press "close" & exit the program, now open you favorite nav software & you'll get a fix in few seconds.
Instead if your gps isn't detetced you must look this procedure:
hard reset your mobile, because your dns dlls are corrupted
let me know if you have results... bye,
davide
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This has always worked for me as well......and I have to do this often as I'm always flashing Radios to try and find the "Optimum" one

suiller said:
I think to know what can be... I mean that happened something similiar to me, but because I cook a new rom every week the problem has disapperead itself.
Anyway I think it can depend by an old problem relative to a dns library that can be overwritten by some software, like for ex some voip software, this cause the internal gps to stop working.
Just tell me if your gps is detected, I mean if your software (for ex tomtom) searches for sats or it says something similar to "gps not found".
If your gps is detected but the software searches sats for infinite time you must look this procedure:
I strongly suggest, just for have a fast response, to use a software like "gps tool" (download from here): go in an open space & install the cab file, then choose com4 => select "clear memory" => & finally "open", go to information window & wait for at least 5 minutes (you must be patient the 1st time), until you read: mode 2D fix... the bars go from red to green, when you have a fix press (in the 1st page) "nav init", after few seconds you can press "close" & exit the program, now open you favorite nav software & you'll get a fix in few seconds.
Instead if your gps isn't detetced you must look this procedure:
hard reset your mobile, because your dns dlls are corrupted
let me know if you have results... bye,
davide
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yup!work for me too!

hey ninja, lol. how's it going
suiller thanks for the help. i am going to give that a try. i hard reset my rom. i am on juicy 2.5. but it didn't change much. do you think if your first option does not help. i should flash another rom, maybe stock rom, and then put the one i want?

it depends... like mentioned above if your GPS works it just a gps cache problem, in fact soon as cooked the gps cache is empty or corrupted, so it must be reinitialized, doing so the 1st time takes long time
instead if your gps isn't detected, you can check in a minute also by lanuching gps tool, it is yet configured to look at com4 (default com port for gps in htc brand, the problem is somewhere else, I mean that probably the problem could be also in the rom you are using, if the 1st procedure does not work, try to restore your original rom, before carrying back your mobile for warranty be sure it isn't "self-mistake" (for ex by installing an "unofficial" rom)
for what I can say I cooked almost everything & just happened one time, many months ago in my opinion 99,9% of cooked roms doesn't touch gps at all, so I sincerely didn't remember what's happened that time
bye,
davide

hi. thanks for all the help guys.
i tried the gps tool. i installled it and selected clear memory, open, and it never stopped going through the numbers. same numbers again and again, but when i clicked setting it said mode 2 not fixed.
if i recall properly, the gps message i got from google maps was gps not found, but i am not sure ithat it's the rom's fault. it's very popular on ppc geeks. i tried qualcom method to solve the problem but it did nothing. mdata, info, is saved on my hone but no change. so i will try disabling agps, if no help i hard eefresh, or put another rom, if all faili go to fet it replaced, again.
thanks for all you support

ok, i reflashed to stock rom, tried the gps tool, it keeps showing the same method and won't stop. do i need to wait for it to stop?, cuz when i go to information it says mode 2 not fixed.
i am going to hard refresh, and put juicy 2.5 back on, and wait for your help. if nothing i will take it to the store.

I hope you don't have A-GPS cofigured...this will surely screw up your GPS

in tweak diamond, agps is enabled. when i disable it and go to quick gps, it gives me an error, when its enabled quick gps downloads.
should i disable a-gps in tweak diamond?

sure friend, AGPS should be disabled if your provider isn't able to "provide" you that service, beucase it takes busy over & over your gps chipset
there 3 modes to update gps sats positioning:
1) quickgps, simply it's a database where are stored circles/ellipses made by sats, because they are always the same, that data are predicted, so for this reason those values are good also for the near future (at max 1 week), this is the "old" method used by years to make fixing times faster, even if resulting position isn't very accurate
2) AGPS, this should be the last & most intelligent feature, of course your provider must be able to provide that data, if your provider can do this it simply compares your current position (cell broadcast) with the ones stored in their database, and provides automatically to your mobile (trought a regular gprs or umts service) updates positioning, if your provider isn't able to provide this service your gps chipset will be always busy because it scans the network continuosly and other software like for ex tomtom wont be able to access the gps chipset anymore because like told above it is busy by another application
3) classical method, I call old school, and this is also the more realistic method, even if 1st time can take very long and if you don't use very much your navi software it is very annoying because sats runs fast simply it needs a program like gps tool or gps test to full the gps cache (1st time is totally empty), where will be stored current sats position (circles/ellipses), this method can also be reached with last modern navi software, like for ex tomtom7, you must leave it runs until it finds something, remember that 1st time can take up to 20 minutes... it depends also by region & sky conditions, in general in a good environment (ex openspace) for me & in my experience it never took over 5/10 minutes
so if your provider doesn't provide AGPS service simply turn it off and re-run the 3rd method in an open space and you'll see that something will happen
anyway if trought gps tool you are able to open the com4 port and you see data flows it means that your gps chipset is recognized, you have just to wait, if you want a faster/simpler app search here around for "gps test"... simply run it, it detects automatically your gps com port & starts to discover sats
hoping to have cleared something about gps system
bye,
davide

ok, i reflashed stock telus rom, then i flashed juicy 2.5, hard reset and here i am. i got diamond tweak, disabled a-gps:
with a-gps disabled, quickpgs does not update any more. gives me an error at the end.
so i am going to do clear memory with gps tool, but does baudrate matter? when i turn it on it is set at 5600 should i change it to 4800?
do i need to be in an open area when clearing memory, or it does not matter?
if this wont work, i will go in throug hqualcom, and make sure i have the settings posted on ppc geeks forum. i hope something will turn up.
what is the connection though. if a-gps is disabled, quick gps does not download. but when its enabled it does. does it mean telus supports a-gps or it shows that there is an internal problem with my gps?
thanks for all the help.

i installed gps test. it shows yellow circle and GPS starting up. above it shows hdop 50.00 Fix 1D, and baudrate is set at 9600.
does this also take a long time, or is it a good sign. if it shows this, does it mean my gps is working, but only needs to be reconfigured somewhow?

i was just outside for 1 hour, with the gps tool turned on. nothing. it keeps clearing memory, or so it says, but when i look the same numbers show up. i waited for an hour till it got dark and cold and went back. gps test shows starting up gps but never getsa round to it either.
i duno what to do anymore.

ah, where is everyone?

holy crap, finally, i solved it.
I had the same problem after setting AGPS in Advanced Configuration Tool. Nothing I did: soft reset, hard reset even installing new ROM resolved the issue. Finally I found the problem: Go to Programs-settings-phone-services-Location setting-get settings-On. This allows your phone to tell your GPS where you are. The GPS now finds satellites in a few seconds.
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it was an old habit of disabling gps to emergency only. i didn't realize it would screw me over on a pda. well. nice nice nice.
thanks for all your help everyone, you ahve been great.

this means that your mobile provider supports AGPS feature
so it must turned on... well done

Locked GPS

Hi I have a T-Mobile Compact IV (HTC Diamond I believe) and my GPS has just stopped working. It comes with CoPilot LIve 7 Trial and has been working fine until I bought the licence code for the full version.
Now it says there is 'No GPS Signal' when I run CoPilot. I have tried QuickGPS and Google Maps (both pre installed like CoPilot) and neither of thoses apps work either!
I have read that the GPS chicp could be locked? Anybody came accross this problem before or have a solution to this. I have emailed T-Mobile, HTC and the makers of CoPilot. Seems like nobody is interested in helping now that I have shelled out for a licence code.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

GPS chip cannot be "locked" out...forget that
There are a number of great threads relating to GPS issues exactly as you described (too numerous to list though...) suggest you have a quick search and move on from there...
I expect that you need to clear the embedded data (use HTC GPS Tool, and clear memory) and then be patient for a first fix.......confident this will work for you

i'd also recomend GPS Tool, its availible here.
Just download the .cab file and run it on your MDACIV

Thanks for the reply guys. I have downloaded and tried the HTC GPS tool and it doesn't seem to find anything. All I get is the error 'Failed to send NMEA command'.
I have just downloaded Google Maps and tested that with the GPS setting and it just sits there saying 'Seeking GPS Satelites (0)...' for ages.
I have also tried lots of the other suggestions in this forum but with no luck. Its almost as if there is no GPS built into this. The only things I have hope for is to hard reset the MDA or to update the ROM/Radio. Tried using the reg edit tool and adv config tool to see if any settings are causing a problem? Could it be the update to comapct farmework 3.5 or the settings for the IP phone?
Unfortunatly I have followed the instructions to hard reset the MDA but it just seems to soft reset, plus what will happen to my installation of CoPilot as it was pre-installed with the phone. I have a backup done with the Sprite Backup tool that came with the phone but will this restore programs if the device is reset?
And the ROMs are all for the HTC Diamond. Plus not too sure about invalidating my warranty with an update.
Really starting to think the GPS has just broke on me. Which is a bit odd since it hasn't been dropped or damaged etc...
Starting to get a bit frustrated as there doesn't seem to be a conclusive answer any where on the web and no supplier is getting back to me (wonder why...?)

OK...it lookslike you have a few more options now....
First thing is make a backup! Do this now and save it to Internal Storage.
A Hard reset appears to be the next option...its fiddely to organise, but it sounds like you need to get a "fresh" install. I would then only install the HTC GPS Tool and then try and find your GPS using standard setting as installed. If it cannot be found then perhaps you have an issue with the unit itself.
As for your co-pilot, surely you have the install cab or disc that came with the unit?
Right now you need to know:
i) Are just the settings screwed up, or
ii) Do I have a faulty unit.....
If it faulty you want to keep the original ROM for warranty purpose (so don't flash that........yet!)

Hold on...
GPS is always OFF until the phone comes out of 'flight mode'. You can do this by activating at least one of the following (phone, BT, Wifi).
Some applications like Igo8 are able to access the GPS whilst the phone is in flight mode.
Other apps such as TT, GPS Tuner, BeelineGPS etc need the non-flight mode.
This can be set in the Comms Manager.

topspeclt said:
Hold on...
GPS is always OFF until the phone comes out of 'flight mode'. You can do this by activating at least one of the following (phone, BT, Wifi).
Other apps such as TT, GPS Tuner, BeelineGPS etc need the non-flight mode.
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Not as far I am aware. I can and have run TT6 with flight mode engaged - on a BA flight. It starts by saying flight mode engaged at the bottom left, but still finds the satelites (as long as you are next to the window).
And yes BA allow the use of GPS for flights except at take off and landing.

Thanks everyone for the replies.
But I took the plunge and dislocated my fingers to perform a hard reset. After the hard reset the phone automatically re-installed all the supplied apps (CoPilot, Google Maps etc...) and it worked fine.
Tried lots of suggestions and tools but this is the only thiong that has worked. I have read lots of conflicting posts about how the GPS can lock due to several apps attempting to use it while other say its due to the phone not having it enabled as default. And then others say it can't lock!
At the end of the day the GPS worked in the morning and then stopped in the afternoon after no fiddling with the phone. This makes me feel like it could happen again.
As I write this I have just had my first manufacturer response. Its from the makers of CoPilot. They have posted the following :
Please go to Start Menu | Settings | System / GPS
• At the bottom left hand corner of the screen please select Programs and change the GPS program port to COM 4.
• Select Hardware at the bottom left hand corner of the screen and make sure the GPS hardware port to be set to COM 3 and the Baud Rate to 4800.
• Finally at the bottom left hand corner of the screen Select Access and check if the box Manage GPS automatically is ticked.
• Also, please go into START | SETTINGS | CONNECTIONS | BEAM
Please ensure that the beam is unticked as this affects the GPS pickup.
• Also ensure that you do not have any other GPS program installed on the device as this could also affect the GPS setup in Copilot.
2. Launch CoPilot Live on your Pocket PC (Tap on ""Start --> CoPilot Live"")
a. In the ""GPS"" menu, tap ""Options"" and tap on ""Setup GPS""
b. Tap on ""Manual"" and in the ""GPS Com Port and Baud Rate"" section, select the COM port and Baud Rate as provided by your GPS manufacturer (Com 4, Baud Rate: 9600). If you do not know this information, tap the ""Automatic"", then tap ""Next"" and CoPilot Live will search all available ports for your receiver. Note: If you are using a Bluetooth GPS receiver, your Pocket PC's Bluetooth Manager must be aware of the device before CoPilot Live can detect it.
c. Tap ""OK"" at the top of the screen to close the GPS Options. Note: CoPilot will remember the GPS settings on exit, so you will only need to configure your GPS on the first use.
Would like to have tried this but I spent quite a bit of time messing with COM port setting et all... and nothing seemed to work. Ho hum.
Anyhoo, again thanks everybody from your help.
Andrew

Wanted: Share your *WORKING* GPS config

Hi folks!
I got those **** GPS problems with my TP and worked myself now several days through dozens of related threats. Unfortunately, there doesnt seem to be a "one-best-way" but several (even some contradicting) suggestions... - and no Wikipage so far
After playing now with a lot of suggestions (registry tweak, killing the logfiles, gpsgate / splitter, AstroGPSLauncher, some mortscripts, about 6 different RadioRoms and maybe all baudrates/config combos of 5 different navigation systems) i got now really stuck and kinda frustrated. (Read: Yes, i used the search function!) Maybe i should burn that device - OR - some of you share their GPS configs / fixes / history so that i / we can write together a comprehensive (hopefully leading to a working solution) wikipage
I would be highly interested in:
o Working solution yes or no?
o ROM & RadioROM
o Did u have GPS problems at all? Which ones? No Fix? Slow fix? inaccurate? Jumping around position / loosing the signal each and every second? Lags?
o Could you solve it?
o How?
I hope with some of those working configurations it should be possible to replicate a working device...
Thx in advance!
First feedback with working combinations (QuickGPS as standard not included):
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ROMeOS 1.60.1 - Radio 1.02.25.28 - fix < 1min - no Tweaks
ROMeOS 1.51 GER - Radio 1.02.25.19 - fix <> 30sec - Portsplitter
Da_G v2.03-MSVC - Radio v1.02.25.28 - fix < 1min - (kickstart for TomTom)
NATF 3.2 ROM -1.08.25.20M1 - fix < 1 min - no Tweaks
ROMeOS² v1.60.2 - 1.08.25.20M1 - fix < 15 sek - QuickGPS disabled, PagePool 32MB
LantisOS Rom -.32 ATT Radio - fix < 1min
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EDIT: If possible, please post your initial fix time using VisualGPSCE outside with a clear view of the sky (no kick starting allowed, just fire up VisualGPSCE and start a timer)? Set VisualGPSce to COM4: at 115200 bps (speed doesn't really matter as long as its >4800). : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3116607&postcount=7
Please share your config here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=GPS Issues
Thanks to Sleuth for the standartisation hint!

Did you change your Navigating Software to the new ports of the comsplitter with the GPS Signal? I had the same secondly changing signal- no signal, but after installing comportsplitter and changing the settings of the Navigating sw to the new ports there is a constant strong signal there with no lag.... Using ROMeOS 1.51 Ger and Radio 1.02.25.19. I tried nearly all radios, but most of them cause a big battery leak (for my TP)
Greetz
Boris
P.S. I have a fix in nearly 30 seconds, but only after clearing the gps cache with the htc tools. the first fix took about 45 Minutes, but now its at half a minute. I deactivatet agps as recommended in many threats in several forums, but i use quickGPS

Thx for your information! (Sure i changed to the new Comports *g*)

Using ROMeOS 1.60.1 and radio 1.02.25.28 i get a fix in under a minute, just by using QuickGPS included in the rom.

Same radio configuration with Da_G 2.03 (see sig). VisualGPSce can fix outside in < 1 minute. TomTom needed to be "kick started" by another pgm but could see the GPSID natively (gave the built-in gps option in device configuration). After omitting the Flags value=2 (GPSID driver is unloadable) in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID then TomTom was able to warm start the GPS in < 1 minute as well without needing a "kick start".
Currently, TomTom updates the display 3-4 times/sec and has little if no lag (cross streets on map pass by at the same time as the car does at 40mph). The only thing I continue to suffer from is "speed lag" whereby TomTom doesn't track with the speedometer when I slow down to 0mph. This can result in the car display ending up in the intersection on the map when the car is stopped (then it "snaps back"). I'm going to see how TomTom 6.x deals with this so I can get an apples to apples comparison with my Tilt which didn't suffer from speed lag.
Could I suggest Standardizing our tests?
What's your initial fix time using VisualGPSCE outside with a clear view of the sky (no kick starting allowed, just fire up VisualGPSCE and start a timer)? Set VisualGPSce to COM4: at 115200 bps (speed doesn't really matter as long as its >4800).
The first time you get a fix on any given day should be the one you report as this will be the longest. The reason is that QuickGPS ephemeris data will be used which gives approximate satellite positions. Subsequent fixes (try it!) will be lightning quick because you will be using actual ephemeris data downloaded from the satellites which gives precise sky locations for the time duration that the birds remain visible.

I am using NATF 3.2 ROM and 1.08.25.20M1 Radio. I use OCN8 and it gets <1 minute fix. No changes done to comp port or baud rate. However, it takes tweaking got get fix for Google Maps in little over 1 minute. I do experience LAG on OCN8 though.
I used to use Elice RC2 and 1.08.25.20M1 ROM. LAG was very very minimal but took more time to fix.

Here's the installation cab for VisualGPSce btw. It's freeware.

Sleuth255 said:
Here's the installation cab for VisualGPSce btw. It's freeware.
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Yep VGPSCE is a classic tool

http://dl.htc.com/downloadfiles/Rom...ned_Raphael_52.44.25.24_1.08.25.20M1_Ship.exe
I flashed this ROM and it works perfect for me.

my config (signature) fixes up under 15 seconds when moving, <1minute when standing on one place. QuickGPS disabled, PagePool 32MB

For me prior to updating my ROM I could not get a GPS fix no matter what I did. Some of the newer ROMs use new GPS Drivers. This must have fixed my problem. I tried others older ROMS and no Fix, I tried a few Radios and no Fix.
I'm using LantisOS Rom, and the .32 ATT Radio. My GPS works with AGPS enabled or disabled, it doesn't matter.
I still have some lag, but its not too bad.
Here is what I do to get a fix.
1. I use QuickGPS to download the data.
2. I Launch Chartcross GPS Test to get a fix usually in under a minute if I havent used it for awhile. If I used it earlier in the day i can get a fix in like 5 seconds.
3. I either close or minimize GPS Test and launch my GPS program. (Google maps, Live Search, & iGuidance all work for me)
P.S. I do not use HTC GPS Tool as I've never got it to work. I have VisualGPSce which is good for viewing some data, but it seems that Chartcross GPS Test gets a fix way faster.

I added a short, unprofessional Wiki Page so that we can collect this information more efficiently...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=GPS Issues
Please feel free to add your data and improve the page in language, style, structure etc.

For me totally not understandable: The first evening i tried with Romeos 1.704 & GPS it was impossible to get a fix. I cleared cache with HTC GPS Tool and did all the other things, tried with visual gps, gps mouse, glopus and others but i didnt get a fix, even after running 3 hours in the night the sattelites remained red.
next day, when i tried to work on this problem in the same room, same place, i had a fix in a few seconds....
Greetz
Boris
P.S. My Radio is version 1.10.25.25

I was starting to have problems with AT&T stock ROM (1.95.502.5 WWE) & radio 1.02.25.32. All I had to do was disable A-GPS, use quick GPS to download data and then use GPS test to lock on to the birds. Also I have noticed that it becomes a lot quicker to get a signal without a case. Using a metal case sometimes it would become impossible for me to get a fix.

guy's
I remember 2 things that are importand(that I dont know how to setup in the PRO):
1. how the GPs handles static situations(dont remember the name) but the lag i get when i'm static or in a slow motion(traffic) is exactly what happend when i changed my BT GPS settings back in the day.
it was called "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Static Navigation" : will "freeze" the position at very low speed to cancel out the drifting resulting from the natura "inaccuray" of GPS - should be disabled for pedestrian use - see below for details[/FONT]
2. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Track Smoothing : wrill smoothen the track to remove the "jumps" resulting from the natural "inaccuracy" of the GPS system (10/15 meters) - disabled by default[/FONT]
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575

Just got my Vario IV yesterday and quickly flashed mrvanx's Elite Project rc3 rom.
Stuck in traffic this morning I noticed that any gps app i tried would find the internal GPS, find satellites, lock, then disconnect. It kept doing this for any gps app.
I tried disabling a-gps and the problem vanished, all the apps worked properly and maintained a GPS lock for around 20 minutes.
Its been fine sofar since then...

elivne said:
guy's
I remember 2 things that are importand(that I dont know how to setup in the PRO):
1. how the GPs handles static situations(dont remember the name) but the lag i get when i'm static or in a slow motion(traffic) is exactly what happend when i changed my BT GPS settings back in the day.
it was called "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Static Navigation" : will "freeze" the position at very low speed to cancel out the drifting resulting from the natura "inaccuray" of GPS - should be disabled for pedestrian use - see below for details[/FONT]
2. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Track Smoothing : wrill smoothen the track to remove the "jumps" resulting from the natural "inaccuracy" of the GPS system (10/15 meters) - disabled by default[/FONT]
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575
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no one know the NEMA codes to change the GPS's unit settings?

Vodafone Touch Pro
ROM: 1.90.162.5 GER
Radio: 1.02.25.19
I tried all
...tweaks with advanced config tool
...registry tweaks
nothing helped.
Switched to Navigon Mobile Navigator 7 (free download on their website inkl. maps for europe to test for 30 days) and thried that.
Works perfect. Bought it afterall...
GPS fix in about 3 - 15 seconds depending on the location (NO QuickGPS in use) // no more GPS lags.

Really strange...
after trying a lot of radioroms, tweaks etc. i decided to go back to the initial ROM of my t-mobile branded Vario 4: 1.02.25.19
Guess what? Instant fix. Great reception. No tweaking needed...
OK, battery life is worse than other roms... but GPS is fully working! The difference is not big - its HUGE! With all the other roms, gps was just unuseable (fixes around 20mins or never, disconnections each and every second etc.)!
This brings up a question: Did anybody research the gps related differences between several roms? It would be great to know why 1.02.25.19 is such a difference on our (t-mobile) device(s?)....

Hi,
first of all: I also have the GPS-fix-problem
Now my question:
In this Thread I found this link
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=GPS%20Issues
and at the bottom I found this link
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/uploads/JCEspi2005 GPS Lag Fix Raphael.cab
I installed this cab, but nothing has changed...so I'm wondering what this cab should have done? Or does I have to change something after installation?
pls help ^^
Greetings
Chris
BTW: I'm from Germany, sorry for any mistakes