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Which GPS App for s730?

Hello
Does anyone of you us the s730 with an external GPS?
If yes, which application do you use for Routing? TomTom? Navigon?

TomTom doesn't work very well on the S730. They don't produce a SP specific version so you're stuck with the PocketPC version, which kind of works if you use FakeCursor, but it's a right faff, only useful if you already have TomTom Navigator and don't want to spend on anything else.
As for the anything else, CoPilot 7 looks good, although I haven't tried it.

Fount on S710 forum:
The best one is Garmin Mobile XT for Windows Mobile Ver. 4.10.40w, here is the link

That looks terrible!

I'm using Route66 Mobile 7, and I find it very well made.

Hehe, Garmin XT tested some Years ago (was fixed to only garmin GPS receivers)
Now they make the finnish better and open the restrictions between XT and Garmin GPS Receivers.
All what i can say: it works
BG Joy

Also Navigon NMM6 is for specifically for smartphones. I have just got a copy, screenshots are great, but since I only have 1GB card (maps are just below 2GB) I have not had chance to try it yet.
Besides TomTom 5.2 - 5.26 haas also been made for smartphons nd does not require touchscreen.

I've swapped an old copy of TomTom Mobile 5.2 to my S730 and it works perfectly. Ok, the maps are getting a little old but major routes don't change that often! If anything it's better than it was on my C500 - the display is much clearer.
I'm using the TomTom BT GPS to connect, and that works fine with Google Maps.

madferret said:
I've swapped an old copy of TomTom Mobile 5.2 to my S730 and it works perfectly. Ok, the maps are getting a little old but major routes don't change that often! If anything it's better than it was on my C500 - the display is much clearer.
I'm using the TomTom BT GPS to connect, and that works fine with Google Maps.
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I had TomTom 5.2 unfortunately only for Symbian 60! When I upgraded to TomTom 6.0 it included all formats but Smartphone was no longer supported

You could try CoPilot 7 which is available for Windows Mobile and you may be lucky enough for it to use your working internal GPS on your device Dumdidum
http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/default.asp

Thanks but buying this on good luck-base... nope

Ups just saw that they even used the Wings for their screenshots (on CoPilot 7 website)

Hi,
I use my old Tomtom 5.2 Smartphone verision. Its fine, but not up to date. Unfortunalty my other TOmtom 6 LIcence from my old Palm Treo does not work, because S730 is not suppoerted anymore....
By the way. I checked Navigon Mobile Navigator 6. But before spending 130 Euros for it I want to test it. Does anyone has the installation program files for Smartphones, so that I can give a try?

I do not really want to spread warez, but check torrent P2P

Can use TomTom 5.20 too, but cannot connect with the integrated GPS :-(

Route 66 V7 is working with the internal GPS juhuuuu

just naturally working, or did u make some changes to the registry/teaks?
thanks

Dumdidum said:
Route 66 V7 is working with the internal GPS juhuuuu
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CoPilot and Route66 are known to work fine with devices that have an internal GPS, therefore no seperate external GPS is required.
TomTom however doesn't recognise the internal GPS of equipt devices yet, so they have to also have an external GPS

paholman said:
TomTom however doesn't recognise the internal GPS of equipt devices yet, so they have to also have an external GPS
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Not true. TomTom uses the internal GPS on the TyTN II as well as others.
Where it doesn't work is with Symbian devices such as the Nokia N95.

Dumdidum said:
Can use TomTom 5.20 too, but cannot connect with the integrated GPS :-(
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Have you tried with GPSID set to COM6 instead of the default COM4? IIRC, TT Mobile 5 will only connect to Bluetooth devices on COM6.

iGuidance v4.0 not working properly [SOLVED!] (GPS location refreshes very slow)

SYMPTOM:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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SOLUTION:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=25
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2120352&postcount=35
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=40
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I had this as well with Sleuth's v3 (WM6.1) rom as well, I went back to Sleuth's v1.2 (WM6) and all is good again with iGuidance.

vip_snoopy said:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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My Tilt with DCS's 1.5 cannot run iGuidance 4 totally.

vip_snoopy said:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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Try baud rate at 4800. See if that helps.

I think v4 is far inferior to v3. I have both and v4 is uninstalled. No map generation and compatibility problems.
J

I've found v4 to be OK on Hermes and Kaiser with WM6.0. I've played with baud and it doesn't matter, from 4800-38400 same refresh rate seen.

so, set it to 4800? will try tomorrow when I drive

vip_snoopy:
Don't bother. It won't help. It has something to do with the internal GPS on the Kaiser and WM 6.1 that iGuidance 4 doesn't like. I had the same issue as you (and others). As a test, I paired my bluetooth GPS to the phone and iG4 worked great.
However, other GPS based software (ie Live Search) works fine in WM 6.1.
I cooked my own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package...
shadee

slimshadee said:
vip_snoopy:
Don't bother. It won't help. It has something to do with the internal GPS on the Kaiser and WM 6.1 that iGuidance 4 doesn't like. I had the same issue as you (and others). As a test, I paired my bluetooth GPS to the phone and iG4 worked great.
However, other GPS based software (ie Live Search) works fine in WM 6.1.
I cooked my own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package...
shadee
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so you said you cooked your own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package, is that WM6.1? could you provide some more details about it?

Yes. 3.02.405.0 ROM base (WM 6.1). It is Alex's v5 Kitchen.
I just got iG4, so I never tested it with any of the ROMS I cooked from WM 6.0. I did however, use iG3.01 sucessfully on all of those WM6.0 ROMs.
I was fortunate to have a bluetooth GPS from my old Hermes and Wizard PPC's, and used it to confirm the problem with iG4 / WM6.1 (3.02 ROM) was related to the internal GPS on the Tilt / Kaiser. iG4 works like a champ with the BT GPS, but craps out constantly when using the built-in GPS.
IMO, the built-in GPS is significantly inferior to a paired BT GPS.
And, BTW, iG4 is slower than iG3.01, probably because of the added POI's and the fact the entire map must be loaded on your storage card. I really miss the maploader program from version 3.
Get a BT GPS and enjoy iG4...it's still the best nav software in my book.
shadee

My two cents worth... I have Handymap (South African Version of Papago) and it also was very sluggish, used to update every 300m or so when going at 100kmph. I complained to the vendor, and since then they have released a cab install specifically for the Tytn II.
So it seems to me that the way the internal GPS chats to the software is different than the way an external BT GPS does.

Just to get this thread back on track and see if anyone can help us find a solution. I am also having the same issues that you describe with iGuidance 4. I am able to get a satellite lock quickly, but while driving, the map does not refresh or update unless you tap the screen. The interesting thing about this problem is that the same version iGuidance works incredibly when using a WM6 rom. This problem only occurs when using WM6.1. Additionally, using the 6.1 rom only seems to impact iGuidance and not TomTom.
I did some research on other devices and saw that some people had success using Franson GPSGate, but I am looking for a solution that doesn't require it as it was not required in wm6.
Please do not turn this thread into a debate over which gps application is better or which version of iGuidance is better. Any suggestions as to what may solve this issue would be appreciated.

I found two issued with iG4 and WM6.1
1 - the map gets a fix but doesn't update unless the screen is touched
2 - the TTS in iG4 uses "canned" speech for most commands, and TTS to just say the street names. With 6.1, the TTS engine seems disabled as well.
3 - Just an FYI, there is a reg setting to force iG4 to only use canned speech like the previous versions like iG3 which does speed up the prog. You can also force full TTS which slows the prog more, so the current hi-brid method is a performance balance.
If GPS Gate fixes this, I'd be OK with that for now till a better fix comes along. Anyone have solid information about this? I'm on Sleuth's v1.2 WM6 rom till then, which is a solid rom, snappier than the stock Kaiser which was very good.
My experience with tech support with iNav will be that they will deny the existance of WM6.1 and any issues, then fix it in the next release. That's what they've done year over year. But I still love the prog.

slimshadee said:
Yes. 3.02.405.0 ROM base (WM 6.1). It is Alex's v5 Kitchen.
I just got iG4, so I never tested it with any of the ROMS I cooked from WM 6.0. I did however, use iG3.01 sucessfully on all of those WM6.0 ROMs.
I was fortunate to have a bluetooth GPS from my old Hermes and Wizard PPC's, and used it to confirm the problem with iG4 / WM6.1 (3.02 ROM) was related to the internal GPS on the Tilt / Kaiser. iG4 works like a champ with the BT GPS, but craps out constantly when using the built-in GPS.
IMO, the built-in GPS is significantly inferior to a paired BT GPS.
And, BTW, iG4 is slower than iG3.01, probably because of the added POI's and the fact the entire map must be loaded on your storage card. I really miss the maploader program from version 3.
Get a BT GPS and enjoy iG4...it's still the best nav software in my book.
shadee
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well, although I do have a BT GPS, I'm just lazy to carry another one around since I have an "Internal GPS" for the Tilt. So for the meantime I'll be using TomTom until someone figures how it works out. - Hopefully by then iGuidance 5 will be out

I have seen this as an issue as well...But i actually saw it in one of Dutty's WM6.0 ROMs. I then updated to Schaps 6.0 rom and the problem went away. I've since installed only one WM6.1 rom, the udK 7.0 R1 Vega - WWE | WM6.1 CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0). I was going to try a different rom, but i'm not sure that it will solve my issue after reading this thread.

Rom Doesn't Matter
I've had this exact problem ever since the first cooked WM6.1 ROMs have been made available. I have tried every radio and almost every WM6.1 ROM and all have the exact same problem as mentioned in this thread.
But a Bluetooth GPS reciever does work so I'm just going to go with that for now since I only use GPS in my car anyway.
Also I registered my program with iNav and there are no updates to the software yet. opefully when there is it will fix the problem.

temporary work around
Ok, I've given up searching for now and believe that the only solution is to use GPSGate as discussed in this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1862272&postcount=4
GPSGate is not free, but there are alternatives to it out there that haven't been tested yet. I did download the trial of GPSGate and can verify that it does work. It's not too expensive either for just the ppc license.
To use the mortscript script that is discussed in this thread, you do also need to download AstroGPSLauncher which can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1870976&postcount=1
It seems as if we are stuck with this until iGuidance can resolve it. The more users that contact them, the better chance we have of getting a fix. However since 6.1 isn't officially released yet, they will more than likely deny the issue.

Heres what iNav support had to say in response to my e-mail
I don't think any of these options will fix the 6.1 compatibility issue...what do you all think?
MY SUPPORT REQUEST...
Hello,
I have Windows Mobile 6.1 on my AT&T Tilt Pocket PC. iGuidance recognizes my internal GPS, but does not automatically refresh the screen. I have to zoom in/out or change something with the screen to get it to refresh. Do you know how I can fix this problem?
THEIR RESPONSE...
There are several possibilities:
1) GPS connection issue : the program is not connected to your GPS and thus unable to update your current position. If it's connected, the arrow/cursor in iGuidance map screen should be in yellow or green. And when you click on view > gpsinfo, you should see the screen w/ NMEA data being updated continuously. If the cursor continues to stay at grey color, this means iGuidance has not been connected to your GPS. If the cursor is red, then this means it has found your GPS but is in the process of locking and searching for satellite signals. The GPS connection indicator information can be found under Section IX step #6 of the iGuidance Installation Guide, and the step-by-step instruction on how to configure and connect iGuidance to your GPS is available under Section VIII step #4 of your iGuidance Installation Guide.
2) Normal program operation: whenever you've just entered an address and click on "nav", the program will automatically enable panning mode. You will need to click on the "X" button at the lower right hand corner to exit the panning mode to see the screen refresh. If you don't manually exit, it will self auto-exit after 40-45 seconds. So if you didn't know how to operate the program and didn't wait for 40-45 seconds, it's likely you will think that the screen is not updating.
3) Program installation: it is also possible that some files were corrupted during installation. You might want to following the uninstall/reinstall instruction in Section II of your iGuidance Installation Guide and reinstall the PPC version.
Tilt is the most popular pocket pc phone used by our customers, so there's no compatibility issue w/ the hardware nor the internal GPS. Most likely, scenario #2 or 3 is the problem.

Has anyone figured out how to get iGuidance 4.0 to work on Windows Mobile 6.1 without spending more money? I know about the GPS Gate trick, but would rather not spend another $20 when iGuidance worked flawlessly by itself on WM6.0.

afgoody said:
Has anyone figured out how to get iGuidance 4.0 to work on Windows Mobile 6.1 without spending more money? I know about the GPS Gate trick, but would rather not spend another $20 when iGuidance worked flawlessly by itself on WM6.0.
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If you click on my link from two posts above, you'll see that they mention a free alternative called GPSProxy

GPS Software / Hardware

Garmin Mobile XT doesn't work on it :-( it can't find my GPS :-s
UPDATE 2008-06-14:
- Installed TomTom Navigator 6, works fine!
- I am wondering, will TomTom Navcore 8 work?

Since we can't use microSD card, I think only possibility is to use Garmin Bluetooth GPS.

tomtom
tomtom works fine on my diamond WITH INTERNAL GPS!!!!

Then TomTom i'll tray

The diamond works fine with Garmin Mobile XT with internal GPS on com 4

There is no Navcore8 for PPC.
KRiST0F said:
Garmin Mobile XT doesn't work on it :-( it can't find my GPS :-s
UPDATE 2008-06-14:
- Installed TomTom Navigator 6, works fine!
- I am wondering, will TomTom Navcore 8 work?
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Navcore8 for PNDs is Linux only. Your best hope is TomTom 7 if ever it is released. There were rumours of it built in ROM from a German site , with a limited Map.

brian colston said:
The diamond works fine with Garmin Mobile XT with internal GPS on com 4
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How did you install? I have XT on a microSD but can't copy to Internal Storage, it only gives me an evaluation option or external GPS.

download install file from http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3389
then serach google on getting the internal gps to work

tomtom 6
i have tomtom 6 running on my diamond. Just copy the intire map to your diamond and then run the ttn.cab file. It will install itself on youre diamond. Then when it is installed go to gps settings and select OTHER NMEA GPS (or the one thats sounds like that) and then select com4. Should run like a charm.

tomtom6
i don't know if i can upload tomtom6 to the ftp site of XDA-developers? So that we all can enjoy tomtom.

dwijers said:
i don't know if i can upload tomtom6 to the ftp site of XDA-developers? So that we all can enjoy tomtom.
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Try google and take a look on the sites where you find tomtom... They got WAREZ written all over so i advise you not to upload it anywhere as it's illegal to do so.

brian colston said:
The diamond works fine with Garmin Mobile XT with internal GPS on com 4
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Hi guys how do I go about setting the internal GPS to COM 4, all the methods I've tried keeps resetting when I press OK.
My Diamond would be a lot better if I had GPS working...

i have tomtom as wel.
to be honest i do not like it so much. it seems old and outdated. the letters are really small on the diamond and it takes a few minutes to get a lock.
i am waiting for route 66 v8. i had a good experience with v7 so i hope this is better than tomtom.
if tomtom would only release new versions.....

My TT - when in use, does not keep up with where I am located - it seems always to be lagging behind when i am approaching side streets . I have full signal too.

TomTom and automatic network on??

I have Installed TomTom and it works but cannot find maps because a memory leak for the moment ( somebody is working hard on this haha) but in the meantime should maybe help to have the network automatic on, so TomTom can find the maps on the sd card?
Or/and automatic usbtool on
Is there somebody who really navigate with TomTom????
Some input is appreciated

TheoMobile said:
I have Installed TomTom and it works but cannot find maps because a memory leak for the moment ( somebody is working hard on this haha) but in the meantime should maybe help to have the network automatic on, so TomTom can find the maps on the sd card?
Or/and automatic usbtool on
Is there somebody who really navigate with TomTom????
Some input is appreciated
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I did manage to get TomTom running, but it crashed within minutes because of lack of memory. I installed TomTom to the internal memory on WM side and stored the maps on a network drive on x86 side.
Now I'm using Garmin Mobile PC with Franson GPSgate instead. Works like a charm

Deadnex thanks for your reaction.
The TomTom did not crash without the maps. I finally put the map in the sync folder but that did not work either, got just a black screen. So I tried the garmin nroute with gps gate and that is perfect but that program is not so good and a very tiny view. I got XT working but it wants to have a garmin gps, if I want to use the build in gps I need an extra activation key, the details map is working. It is like you driving your car but when you want the speed of 80 km /HOUR THAN YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR CREDIT CARD AGAIN. How did you overcome this???
It is most practical to have all automatic ON, like gps, usbtool and networking and do all the software thing in the vista side, there you have much more software and possibilties.
I only look for travel and phonesuite software on the vista side
Regards

you don't need to buy gpsgate with my rom. you have gps2blue. nlook for instruction in my rom thread.

Now I'm using Garmin Mobile PC with Franson GPSgate instead. Works like a charm
anyting details?Thanks

Yes!! Thanks for your input!! it works indeed perfect with pc mobile and gpsgate and I got win7 the latest to work, very stable this version recognised all the drivers and the snapvue with a clean install. This is really a big difference gps2bleu is not stable the connection is fluctuating, so I am back with gpsgate. Windows 6.5 is on his way with fingerfriendly today screen and more network friendly, so who know what that will bring to us
I only use the snapvue to connect gps and phone to the vista/win7 side because there are much more progtrams to use.
Somebody who knows a program for vista or win7 or xp that works as a phone suite sms calls etc

IGO8 and A-GPS : Solved

On most ROMs I had, it was impossible to start IGO8 alone while AGPS was on. The PDA would simply freeze or never detect the GPS.
The workaround was simple however, you had to start the GPS with another software before (and staying in background).
Recently, I found this thread on Development And Hacking and I gave a try. This is a driver enhancement to fix lag. But as a side effect, it prevents IGO from freezing !
I can finally start Igo8 alone, it works great !
(results may vary depending on the ROM - I'm using TPC StockLike 23049)

yes, you are right. my igo8 now starts with a-gps on if i run VisualGPSce first. (i used advanced config to turn it off a-gps a while back)
but what does a-gps do? it was not any quicker fixing. or am i missing something?
on the page you linked, what exactly did you install? there cabs and registry fixes (sorry i am being lazy, there are 14 pages)

I've just installed the cab on the first post (v0.9) and voilà, no registry change needed (those are for fine tuning).

igo8 version?
Which igo8 version you used? I have been using a lot of different igo 8 versions and never had a problem not detecting the GPS. A-GPS asks me weeky to allow downloading the newest GPS data from internet, so I guess I am using A-GPS as well.
The GPS itself is not too quick though, my g/f's diamond locates our position every time way quicker. Will this cab you mentioned speed-up getting the fix?
I used PDA Corner ultimate x-v4 to date, just upgraded to x2-v11.

Altough QuickGPS is asking to download every now and then, that does not mean that AGPS is enabled. Most ROMs I have used (PDACorner's ROMs included) disable AGPS by default.
Any version of iGO I used would freeze with AGPS enabled, while they work with AGPS disabled.
From what I tested, the driver lag fix helps when moving slowly or not moving at all. It doesn't get a GPS fix faster. However, since it redirects GPS calls, iGO does not freeze.
AGPS can help getting fixes in a couple seconds. Diamond has no issue with iGO and AGPS.

Grrrr
Doet voor mij geen donder. Jammer
Didn't do the trick for me. Installed GPSMod 1.39 on Ultimate X-2 V11 ROM on a Tilt (TyTN II) and IGO still hangs on 'Starting'
This is using the default GPSMod Port Com1.
If someone does get this working on a TyTN II / Tilt, let me know