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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...
You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)
I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's
I want to convert some videos/movies to put on my kaiser, and would like to know what is the best format to use, and highest quality/bitrate i can use. I know the ipod can play 1500kbps mp4 perfectly, but it certainly doesnt work as well on a kaiser. Is there another format perhaps, that it can decode better with a high bitrate? Divx, etc...
So far ive tried mp4 at around 500kbps and it plays pretty much fine. and i synced a movie using wmp to 384kpbs and that works fine as well, but doesnt look so hot...
I'd say stay under or at 500.. until they update the graphics and video drivers, anything over wont play too well. I tested a 700 WMV Top Gear episode (love top gear ) and it was ripping and freezing like mad..
I transfered a 300 from my friends iphone to my tilt via wifi (which by the way is freaking cool) which was 1500kpbs, it was just sad to watch it try and play. I figured dual core 400mhz proc could handle it... Guess not till drivers come out.
OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
haha. i would never trade my kaiser for an iphone. Those things suck other then the video playback. I know what my kaiser can do, and thats why I love the thing. I'm not complaining about the kaiser in general, just wish it played video a little better.
Notice i didnt mention anything about actualy wanting an iphone
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OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Well as it has been pointed out previously to this thread - the law suit between Qualcomm and Broadcomm affects only the US. Given that HTC is not a US company, and in fact I didnt BUY my phone in the US I bought it direct from HTC. Explain to me how the lawsuit affects them developing drivers for the chip? Also Why should I have to solve the issue myself - am I not entitled to support? If you bought a car with a 300 HP engine in it and found out they didnt provide a drive shaft and you had to install one yourself ... does that sound like a good deal. This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
I didnt mention suing - I am in fact for the most part against litigation. I simply want either HTC/Qualcomm/MS (but mostly HTC) to step up to their responsibilities. Sometimes an LS is the only way to get companies to do that - but I for one hope it doesnt come down to that.
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This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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No - I am an end consumer. I shouldnt have to learn how to program driver code (which by the way I can do being a programmer of drivers under linux etc and a coder by trade - of course that would actually require HW specs which we also dont have - but back to the point).
Why in the name of hell should I be responsible for fixing this issue? To use the car analogy again. If you buy a car and its under warranty and the clutch breaks - should you have to learn how to replace its clutch or do you take it back to the dealer?
I know the chip is working as much as its allowed to - the problem is the allowed amount sucks, thats the goddamn issue. You dont hear me complaining about the GPS - I use my garmin software on it and couldnt be happier with it. This is about BAD DRIVER SUPPORT!!. Its no different to ATI or NVIDIA providing bad drivers for vista when it first came out. The community went nuts when everything that used to work well under xp stopped working well. Well quite frankly my graphic ssupport was better under my wizard and thats a 3 year old + phone now. What you see here is the community expressing its displeasure at bad drivers.
Oh and if you check the d3d thread you will see I am following it - And have added what little input I can given the total lack of communication from HTC. You can see in that thread that other windows mobile phones using the qualcomm chip seem to have 3d/graphics support, why exactly can LG ect manage it and HTC not?
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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I could have sworn reading that it had 3d video drivers enabled listed in the specs.. maybe I read wrong
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Sorry didn't want to quote your whole message as it was a bit large but just took the relevant bit!!
As in the rest of your rant! you quote about buying a car!! If you bought a car, without test driving it first, how would the laws cover you in the US???
You are one of many who are jumping on this d3d lobby. If you dont like the phone, THROW IT AWAY!!! If you check (and I mean REALLY check)all adds for this device they are not claiming anything above what you have, you are following rumour) Don't moan about what you have spent on it as with anyone SENSIBLE enough to think WHY DID YOU PAY SO MUCH TO buy a phone that does not fulfill your requirements WITHOUT CHECKING what you want????
DOH!! You are embarrasing yourself...
http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
PS: A test drive has f**k all to do with the example I quoted. You can test drive a car and not have it break - but when it does should you be responsible for learning how to fix it? More to the point car manufacturers issue recalls to fix issues all the time. Even after a TEST DRIVE. I never said I didnt like the phone BUT IT HAS A GODDAMN ISSUE. Why can you not acknowledge that when 99.9% of the user base does. If you cant then just sod off and stop posting your htc fanboy crap in the threads. All you do is troll. I am out of this. You are the one embarassing yourself. So far you havent come up with a single valid argument - from the lawsuit to your rebuttal of my example.
hes not embarrasing himself.
you are just showing how much of an ass you seem to be.
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http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
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Again You are confusing HTC's quotation of WM6 OS of what it 'SHOULD' be able to do against what it 'CAN' do.... This has nothing to do with the Qualcomm chip and HTC as a whole, they are limited by the OS and its capabilities.
Check out my LinksysWVC54GC IP cam link thread. The downstreamed mjpeg video is excellent using TCPMP (OH BTW uses d3d!! as WM player in WM6 is still limited and can not!)
Go to basics and realise WM6 and its basic apps is still requiring major changes!!!
Soz if I upset, but just putting the facts.
I'm confused
Bratag... this is *NOT* the "HTC Kaiser Consumer Support" forum. If you have a problem with HTC's Support, I suggest you contact them directly.
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
To use your car analogy; this forum is like Fred down the road, he's replaced the windscreen wipers on his own car, in his own garage, with bright flash ones that the car manufacturer didn't make. He believes that makes his car a bit better than when he bought it...
Just a short fact on the topic, I have a library of movies encoded at around 475 kb/sec at 320x240 that I've used on Archos Players, PPCs, 8525, and now Kaiser with TCPMP and they play and look perfect.
I would like the correct drivers as well to increase general video performance, the Kaiser just cuts it close right now as-is.
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This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
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I whole heartedly disagree
So the "xda-developers > General Discussion > Development and Hacking" is for??
Or the "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser Upgrading" ?
And why are people getting all over Bratag anyway? He didn't intend to flame anyone, which can not be said by some other members.
Back on topic, I would be interested in what people's experiences are with encoding settings that DO work. It does su<& that I have to use two or more different encodings, and it is definitely disappointing that I can't even play a video file without intervention that my $150 camera can record and play, but if we get back to discussing encoding/transcoding to some particular formats and settings, we can actually help each other instead of bashing.
So for WM6, it sounds like bitrate is best to be <500. Does the fomat matter? I have heard Divx and/or AVI. Has anyone tried any others? Can a difference be seen between them?
I find some of the Freeware transcoders to be very 'hit n miss' such as PocketDivX and Pocket DVD, unable to keep audio/video sync on large files.
If you have all the necessary codecs for WM player on your PC so they will play on it (for most dowladed DivX files that end in .avi you will need latest DivX codec and an AC3 audio codec) then just sync them to your phone and they should play quite well in Pocket WM player and even better on TCPMP with RAW selected!
i think you need to calm down - its almost as if you dont want your device to support 3d or accelerated surfaces - what is wrong with you?
ok, i've already signed the drivers perition for the kaiser on his forum but there is something that i do not understand. say htc does agre to give us the drivers, wont this be a hardware change or will it be a software on. if hardware thing then how wil they pull back all of the already sold kaisers? if it's a software change, cam' somebody here cook a rom that will get the drivers working? watching vids on the tilt isn't the greatest so can somebody please explain this to me. thanks
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ok, i've already signed the drivers perition for the kaiser on his forum but there is something that i do not understand. say htc does agre to give us the drivers, wont this be a hardware change or will it be a software on. if hardware thing then how wil they pull back all of the already sold kaisers? if it's a software change, cam' somebody here cook a rom that will get the drivers working? watching vids on the tilt isn't the greatest so can somebody please explain this to me. thanks
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Drivers are a set of instructions for the hardware...
In short:
Software
Well to explain it a little bit, the problem on the actual firmware/drivers is, that they aren't optimized enough for the video performance stuff... so they want htc to work on the drivers for that stuff, to use the full capacity of the current internal hardware!
So the hardware it self is good and has the capacity for improvements, but the htc frimware/drivers are not able to use it.
So if HTC works on the driver they can get a lot more power/performance out of the current hardware
Imagine someone selling computer chips without telling anyone how to use them. Chips need to receive a specific set of instructions and provide a specific set of results.
We are not mad that HTC sold us a device that is missing a chip, we are mad that HTC sold us a chip that doesn't fully function. They have sold us an engine without the timing computer and are telling us we should push our cars everywhere.
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Imagine someone selling computer chips without telling anyone how to use them. Chips need to receive a specific set of instructions and provide a specific set of results.
We are not mad that HTC sold us a device that is missing a chip, we are mad that HTC sold us a chip that doesn't fully function. They have sold us an engine without the timing computer and are telling us we should push our cars everywhere.
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I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on... At the end of the day, it plays back videos. Not as well as it could, agreed - But it plays them. This is not the PRIMARY function of the device - please stop comparing it to the cars engine. Keep it in perspective... I'd say this function is more comparable it to say a cars factory stereo system.
HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
The Kaiser is a huge improvement in many ways over the Hermes, so I think it's a fantastic product
Sorry, but time for everyone to just get over that "I'm a victim" attitude already... Every second thread there's non stop whining about it.
I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.
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I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.
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I do.. Wholeheartedly!
so youre moaning about people moaning?
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so youre moaning about people moaning?
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Ha Ha.. ya got me there!! Good one.
Well then, can't some good rom cooker cook a rom with the included drivers that perfects the tilt?
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Well then, can't some good rom cooker cook a rom with the included drivers that perfects the tilt?
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Well, they can't cook in software drivers that don't exist yet.
Maybe when a product that uses the same chip that also has the proper drivers comes out.
Now I agree with the poster that says it's not a big deal, it is a phone after all. But if we can get it implemented even better. I wouldn't go crazy over it, but there nothing wrong with keeping the manufacturers honest so they give us the best product possible.
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I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on...
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Sorry mate, but even when compared with a car stereo the lack of proper drivers is a major issue.
Imagine buying a new BMW E92 as an upgrade from E46, with a Pioneer/Kenwood/Sony/Altec Lansing/Sehnheiser speaker system installed and wired to a... TAPEDECK, which also happens to be out of sync with the cassete and does not have enough power to drive the speakers, at all, and I'm talking about whisper-level volume. Sure, it gets you around and looks bling-y and has a bundled GPS and audio playback is not a primary feature of a car, but for some reason your old E46 and your neighbours Toyota Corolla does a better job at it (not to mention that it runs longer on one gas refill).
You paid a big wad of cash for a device advertised and priced as "ultimate", yet it lacks a feature you got used to having on your previous one and the manufacturer doesnt even have the decency to admit its mistake, dont you think you have every bit of a reason to be mad at them?
Yes Mikeer... HTC the big fascist company that it is has robbed you and many others! Everyone is so hard done by, and it's not fair what they've done!
I'll contact 60 minutes, you contact the News, and we'll meet back here in an hour to discuss how we can get whats rightfully ours!!
Those bastards...
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Yes Mikeer... HTC the big fascist company that it is has robbed you and many others! Everyone is so hard done by, and it's not fair what they've done!
I'll contact 60 minutes, you contact the News, and we'll meet back here in an hour to discuss how we can get whats rightfully ours!!
Those bastards...
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I see your point and I don't feel HTC owes me anything. HTC should at least, deliver on what they advertise.
My 1st generation Kaiser aka Tmobile MDA played back video without any stutters. I would expect that a successor device developed two hardware cycles later work better than it's little brother.
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I see your point and I don't feel HTC owes me anything. HTC should at least, deliver on what they advertise.
My 1st generation Kaiser aka Tmobile MDA played back video without any stutters. I would expect that a successor device developed two hardware cycles later work better than it's little brother.
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And thats quite simply just one small disappointing factor in the device.
Myself, instead of petitioning and whatever other nonsense, put it down to an aspect of the device that wasn't as good this time around. Next device release, I'd look at it to see if I wanted to go down that path again... If it bothered me that much, I'd move on to a different brand and be done with it...
Build a bridge people...
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HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
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Actually, it seems too me that its a Pocket PC first, a phone/messaging second .
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And thats quite simply just one small disappointing factor in the device.
Myself, instead of petitioning and whatever other nonsense, put it down to an aspect of the device that wasn't as good this time around. Next device release, I'd look at it to see if I wanted to go down that path again... If it bothered me that much, I'd move on to a different brand and be done with it...
Build a bridge people...
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Another disappointing factor is the so-and-so quality of the 3 MP camera. About half of the photos I have shot with my TyTN II have turned out worse than what I got from my old i-mate JASJAM. Auto focus seems to be missing often on landscape shots and has difficulties with infinity:
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Compare the above TyTN II photo with the JASJAM photo I posted here.
Plus that the photo quality looks like 2 MP photos interpolated up to 3 MP size. So I usually keep the camera set to 2 MP :-(
(Apologies for side-tracking the topic of this thread.)
Overall I would say though that I am fairly satisfied but I doubt that my next smartphone will be anything produced by HTC.
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Overall I would say though that I am fairly satisfied but I doubt that my next smartphone will be anything produced by HTC.
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Cool, like I say... next time you may decide not buy HTC - thats the price a company can pay if you don't like their product. Doesn't mean that they are obligated to do anything for you now... At the end of the day, their product does what they said it would - even if it's not to the standard of some of these users...
what are the chances that we will get these drivers? high or low? will it be a whole new rom? maybe windows6.1 or just 6? If they're thinking of 6.1 then we probably wont get these drivers till mid next year. photon will almost be out by then. any chances we get them before the end of the year or no?
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I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on... At the end of the day, it plays back videos. Not as well as it could, agreed - But it plays them. This is not the PRIMARY function of the device - please stop comparing it to the cars engine. Keep it in perspective... I'd say this function is more comparable it to say a cars factory stereo system.
HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
The Kaiser is a huge improvement in many ways over the Hermes, so I think it's a fantastic product
Sorry, but time for everyone to just get over that "I'm a victim" attitude already... Every second thread there's non stop whining about it.
I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.
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Did you forget about the crappy camera?
Just wondering if the Qualcomm MSM 7200 has ever been shown to take advantage of 3D graphics on ANY device? Isn't there a Samsung out there or something?
On the LG KS20 it has.
Guys
I just got an idea or suggestion or request….. Anyone can please look into the
O2 XDA Orbit II or O2 XDA Stellar clicks the link for specification please….
http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_orbit_ii-2180.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_stellar-2179.php
I think I’m sure it is made my HTC for specific for O2 only…... And it has Qualcomm MSM7200, 400 Mhz processor.
So my question is……. If this phone has ATI video chip and it is comes with the video drivers or not. If yes can we dump the driver from there devices and can we use it with our HTC device…..
Please someone look into this…….
Thanks
The XDA Stellar is a plain old HTC TyTN II (no hardware accelerated graphics).
The XDA Orbit II is an HTC Touch Cruise (same problem as the TyTN II).
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On the LG KS920 it has.
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I think you may have meant LG KS20...
Search for the LG KS20
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I think you may have meant LG KS20...
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My bad thanks for pointing it out.
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I think you may have meant LG KS20...
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Just found this on the KS20 on youtube. Probably doesn't do it justice but wasn't that impressed especially towards the end when he/she it the 'phone' button. Still saw the screen drawing line by line..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9H8Zcj2Y_sc
Here's the PR hype - if only eh? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eiS2RuxUQ-w&feature=related
So...we should beable to get drivers off that once it's released right?
I'm not a developer (at all) but it seems that if you can find a device (the ks20 for example) that uses the same chip and has 3D drivers you should be able to isolate those drivers in that devices firmware. Once you have them all by thier lonesome I don't see why it would take a whole lot of code to patch them into an HTC. It'd be a different story if the device (KS20 again for example) firmware was written to use let's say Symbian as it operating system but since it's using WM6 it should be very similar to what we'd need for our Kaisers or other HTCs. I know it wouldn't be an easy patch but you gotta think that with some of the awesome firmwares that the XDA devs have put out that someone here could do it.
Daemos said:
So...we should beable to get drivers off that once it's released right?
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It's been tried. Chainfire put in over 100 hours into the work but couldn't get the drivers to work on the tytn II
Besides, the 3D-support of the KS20 is not that good. For example, OpenGL ES is accelerated, but GAPI isn't working at all.
I don't know why, but I have the strange feeling that there is something wrong with the MSM7200 chipset. Why is every device that uses the MSM7200-chipset at least missing one function. For example, the KS20 has it's gps-function disabled. I find that rather strange, since the hardware is in the MSM7200-chipset and the antenna is shared with the normal antenna. So it's just a driver that needs to be added. But, the KS20 has 3D-acceleration, which is unfortunately not very good implemented. This is missing on each MSM7200-device that has it's gps enabled. Could it be that it's impossible to enable all the functions of the MSM7200 at the same time? Maybe the chip just runs to hot resulting in strange behavior? Maybe that's the real reason why no device carrying the MSM7200 has all it's functions enabled?
Ralph Smeets said:
I have the strange feeling that there is something wrong with the MSM7200 chipset.
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Well, at least you are not alone here.
do qualcomm not publish their errata like intel and amd do?
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just runs to hot resulting in strange behavior? Maybe that's the real reason why no device carrying the MSM7200 has all it's functions enabled?
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My bet is that the Kaiser design doesn't pass type approval testing with all functionality enabled. It may be that turning on the hardware acceleration causes RF noise that jams the bluetooth, or the GPS, or causes too many blocked channels in one of the GSM receive bands. If I'm right, there probably won't ever be an "official" software fix released, because usually the fix is at least partially in hardware.
I've seen phones get very close to production before it's realised that major changes and delays, usually a redesign of the pcb, are required to finally fix a problem. Given the rapid turnaround of new designs, it's unlikely they would put any effort into a 'version 2', because the next model would be in design long before the Kaiser was released to production, and they will take any lessons learnt on to that project.
This is all speculation, but based on many years experience as an RF hardware designer, including several mobile handsets.
Ralph Smeets said:
Besides, the 3D-support of the KS20 is not that good. For example, OpenGL ES is accelerated, but GAPI isn't working at all.
I don't know why, but I have the strange feeling that there is something wrong with the MSM7200 chipset. Why is every device that uses the MSM7200-chipset at least missing one function. For example, the KS20 has it's gps-function disabled. I find that rather strange, since the hardware is in the MSM7200-chipset and the antenna is shared with the normal antenna. So it's just a driver that needs to be added. But, the KS20 has 3D-acceleration, which is unfortunately not very good implemented. This is missing on each MSM7200-device that has it's gps enabled. Could it be that it's impossible to enable all the functions of the MSM7200 at the same time? Maybe the chip just runs to hot resulting in strange behavior? Maybe that's the real reason why no device carrying the MSM7200 has all it's functions enabled?
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I've been thinking this all along. What we want is NOT POSSIBLE. Because Qualcomm LIED about the specs of their chipsets. Douchebags.
i highly doubt they lied.
as said, the hardware is probably there to do it, but qualcomm recommends(?) that device manufactures dont enable the whole chipset for whatever reason (heat, battery life, RF interference, reception problems, who knows)
i'd be interested to know whats said to OEM's, but i dont think calling them douchebags is the way forward
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i highly doubt they lied.
as said, the hardware is probably there to do it, but qualcomm recommends(?) that device manufactures dont enable the whole chipset for whatever reason (heat, battery life, RF interference, reception problems, who knows)
i'd be interested to know whats said to OEM's, but i dont think calling them douchebags is the way forward
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Haha. Maybe not but I'm pissed. Anyway, if all the specs they claim are not "enabled" on any one phone then we have no "proof" they didn't lie...
Show us a device running that chipset with all the specs they advertise working they way they say it should and I'll shut up.
Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/
Great review
Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.
yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.
I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?
lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471
Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2
posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
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@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory
No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.
yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]
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nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.
Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.
Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.
well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.
Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...