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For the people working at HTC

Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...

You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.

All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)

I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.

I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...

RPG0 said:
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now

RPG0 said:
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.

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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !

been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!

eaglesrest said:
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.

eaglesrest said:
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.

the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)

He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here

HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...

The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.

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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.

I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?

Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi

Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's

What is the highest bitrate video the kaiser can handle?

I want to convert some videos/movies to put on my kaiser, and would like to know what is the best format to use, and highest quality/bitrate i can use. I know the ipod can play 1500kbps mp4 perfectly, but it certainly doesnt work as well on a kaiser. Is there another format perhaps, that it can decode better with a high bitrate? Divx, etc...
So far ive tried mp4 at around 500kbps and it plays pretty much fine. and i synced a movie using wmp to 384kpbs and that works fine as well, but doesnt look so hot...

I'd say stay under or at 500.. until they update the graphics and video drivers, anything over wont play too well. I tested a 700 WMV Top Gear episode (love top gear ) and it was ripping and freezing like mad..

I transfered a 300 from my friends iphone to my tilt via wifi (which by the way is freaking cool) which was 1500kpbs, it was just sad to watch it try and play. I figured dual core 400mhz proc could handle it... Guess not till drivers come out.

OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!

haha. i would never trade my kaiser for an iphone. Those things suck other then the video playback. I know what my kaiser can do, and thats why I love the thing. I'm not complaining about the kaiser in general, just wish it played video a little better.
Notice i didnt mention anything about actualy wanting an iphone

Farsquidge said:
OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.

Bratag said:
Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!

Farsquidge said:
Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Well as it has been pointed out previously to this thread - the law suit between Qualcomm and Broadcomm affects only the US. Given that HTC is not a US company, and in fact I didnt BUY my phone in the US I bought it direct from HTC. Explain to me how the lawsuit affects them developing drivers for the chip? Also Why should I have to solve the issue myself - am I not entitled to support? If you bought a car with a 300 HP engine in it and found out they didnt provide a drive shaft and you had to install one yourself ... does that sound like a good deal. This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
I didnt mention suing - I am in fact for the most part against litigation. I simply want either HTC/Qualcomm/MS (but mostly HTC) to step up to their responsibilities. Sometimes an LS is the only way to get companies to do that - but I for one hope it doesnt come down to that.

Bratag said:
This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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No - I am an end consumer. I shouldnt have to learn how to program driver code (which by the way I can do being a programmer of drivers under linux etc and a coder by trade - of course that would actually require HW specs which we also dont have - but back to the point).
Why in the name of hell should I be responsible for fixing this issue? To use the car analogy again. If you buy a car and its under warranty and the clutch breaks - should you have to learn how to replace its clutch or do you take it back to the dealer?
I know the chip is working as much as its allowed to - the problem is the allowed amount sucks, thats the goddamn issue. You dont hear me complaining about the GPS - I use my garmin software on it and couldnt be happier with it. This is about BAD DRIVER SUPPORT!!. Its no different to ATI or NVIDIA providing bad drivers for vista when it first came out. The community went nuts when everything that used to work well under xp stopped working well. Well quite frankly my graphic ssupport was better under my wizard and thats a 3 year old + phone now. What you see here is the community expressing its displeasure at bad drivers.
Oh and if you check the d3d thread you will see I am following it - And have added what little input I can given the total lack of communication from HTC. You can see in that thread that other windows mobile phones using the qualcomm chip seem to have 3d/graphics support, why exactly can LG ect manage it and HTC not?

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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I could have sworn reading that it had 3d video drivers enabled listed in the specs.. maybe I read wrong

Bratag said:
No - I am an end consumer.
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Sorry didn't want to quote your whole message as it was a bit large but just took the relevant bit!!
As in the rest of your rant! you quote about buying a car!! If you bought a car, without test driving it first, how would the laws cover you in the US???
You are one of many who are jumping on this d3d lobby. If you dont like the phone, THROW IT AWAY!!! If you check (and I mean REALLY check)all adds for this device they are not claiming anything above what you have, you are following rumour) Don't moan about what you have spent on it as with anyone SENSIBLE enough to think WHY DID YOU PAY SO MUCH TO buy a phone that does not fulfill your requirements WITHOUT CHECKING what you want????
DOH!! You are embarrasing yourself...

http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
PS: A test drive has f**k all to do with the example I quoted. You can test drive a car and not have it break - but when it does should you be responsible for learning how to fix it? More to the point car manufacturers issue recalls to fix issues all the time. Even after a TEST DRIVE. I never said I didnt like the phone BUT IT HAS A GODDAMN ISSUE. Why can you not acknowledge that when 99.9% of the user base does. If you cant then just sod off and stop posting your htc fanboy crap in the threads. All you do is troll. I am out of this. You are the one embarassing yourself. So far you havent come up with a single valid argument - from the lawsuit to your rebuttal of my example.

hes not embarrasing himself.
you are just showing how much of an ass you seem to be.

Bratag said:
http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
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Again You are confusing HTC's quotation of WM6 OS of what it 'SHOULD' be able to do against what it 'CAN' do.... This has nothing to do with the Qualcomm chip and HTC as a whole, they are limited by the OS and its capabilities.
Check out my LinksysWVC54GC IP cam link thread. The downstreamed mjpeg video is excellent using TCPMP (OH BTW uses d3d!! as WM player in WM6 is still limited and can not!)
Go to basics and realise WM6 and its basic apps is still requiring major changes!!!
Soz if I upset, but just putting the facts.

I'm confused
Bratag... this is *NOT* the "HTC Kaiser Consumer Support" forum. If you have a problem with HTC's Support, I suggest you contact them directly.
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
To use your car analogy; this forum is like Fred down the road, he's replaced the windscreen wipers on his own car, in his own garage, with bright flash ones that the car manufacturer didn't make. He believes that makes his car a bit better than when he bought it...

Just a short fact on the topic, I have a library of movies encoded at around 475 kb/sec at 320x240 that I've used on Archos Players, PPCs, 8525, and now Kaiser with TCPMP and they play and look perfect.
I would like the correct drivers as well to increase general video performance, the Kaiser just cuts it close right now as-is.

GTRoberts said:
I'm confused
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
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I whole heartedly disagree
So the "xda-developers > General Discussion > Development and Hacking" is for??
Or the "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser Upgrading" ?
And why are people getting all over Bratag anyway? He didn't intend to flame anyone, which can not be said by some other members.
Back on topic, I would be interested in what people's experiences are with encoding settings that DO work. It does su<& that I have to use two or more different encodings, and it is definitely disappointing that I can't even play a video file without intervention that my $150 camera can record and play, but if we get back to discussing encoding/transcoding to some particular formats and settings, we can actually help each other instead of bashing.
So for WM6, it sounds like bitrate is best to be <500. Does the fomat matter? I have heard Divx and/or AVI. Has anyone tried any others? Can a difference be seen between them?

I find some of the Freeware transcoders to be very 'hit n miss' such as PocketDivX and Pocket DVD, unable to keep audio/video sync on large files.
If you have all the necessary codecs for WM player on your PC so they will play on it (for most dowladed DivX files that end in .avi you will need latest DivX codec and an AC3 audio codec) then just sync them to your phone and they should play quite well in Pocket WM player and even better on TCPMP with RAW selected!

i think you need to calm down - its almost as if you dont want your device to support 3d or accelerated surfaces - what is wrong with you?

qualcomm website

Is it only me who don´t find any info about the msm7200 chip at there website nowdays?
There are many links to info pages chip specs and so on, but everyone just links back to mainpage.
Thats a way to solve the driver issue? ^^

I have the same problem. I've been looking for GPS info, to try to turn off Static Navigation.
Does anyone have a source for these datasheets?

Interesting, could be helpful I suppose if similar drivers are found

i tried it... its true.. what the heck is doing qualcomm? that page just doesnt work.. the last time i checked it, just returned me to main page.. maybe they are modifying their info..

Isaygarcia said:
i tried it... its true.. what the heck is doing qualcomm? that page just doesnt work.. the last time i checked it, just returned me to main page.. maybe they are modifying their info..
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i sent an email regarding it...also a driver request lol.. like the email will make a difference, but i wanna hear what they have to say back.

so here's their response, not sure what to think?
Hello,
Out of an abundance of caution, due to the December 31st, 2007 injunction ordered against certain Qualcomm products, Qualcomm has temporarily removed certain web content until it can be reviewed and modified if necessary to ensure compliance with the injunction. It may be several more days before the pages are accessible again.
Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Weisenfeld [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Mon 1/14/2008 3:40 PM
To: webmaster
Subject: broken links
hello, if you click on any link about the qualcomm 7200 chipset specs it
just links back to the home page.
here are the search results with the first few linking back to the home
page.
http://www.qualcomm.com/iqsearch/index.html?iqname=7200
i own an htc kaiser (with the 7200 chipset) and me (and several other
thousands on the internet) have noticed lack of drivers? atleast, the our
devices arent able to use you chipset to it's fullest potential.
some examples would be video playback, and graphics processing, it's
actually quite slow, similar to the speed of older devices we've owned.
if you have any word when some Graphics Drivers will be developed, and the
info on the broken links, that would be a great help!
thanks
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http://web20.telecomtv.com/docdownl...-8adb-dfc93628f845/MSM7200_Chipset.pdf&id=395
There's the "PR-style" spec sheet.

More info http://www.broadcom.com/docs/press/12-31-07_Permanent_Injunction_Order.pdf
Looks like Qualcomm can't do anything, or even provide support for that matter for a number of chipsets including the MSM7200 to what looks like jan 2009. Thats just great.

Well that just sucks! Did anyone manage to download datasheets before the injunction was signed?

Qualcomm MSM7200
hii
i need a Qualcomm MSM7200. where to buying?

tdusen said:
I have the same problem. I've been looking for GPS info, to try to turn off Static Navigation.
Does anyone have a source for these datasheets?
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has anyone resolved this? I am Geocaching and this static crap is killing me, I have to literally run around to get it to pick me up then move REALLY fast to my target before it locks me out again. I know it can be done on the sirf chipsets...
NEVERMIND I FOUND IT!!!!!!!
head to here and see if it works for you, but remember as with any windows OS you must reboot for the changes to take effect so after you adjust the registry then do a soft reset or it wont work!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388576

HTC Kaiser vs HTC Diamond

How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???

SuperMiguel said:
How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Isn't the Kaiser more of a do-it-all and the Touch Diamond more of a show piece?

Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.

NuShrike said:
Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.
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GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.

pyraxiate said:
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
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Dual Core sounds nice BUT, all phones have 2 chips, 1 to wake the other, and in Kaiser 1 is used solely to process call information, and if you look at the actual UI speed... not what I call Fast. Doesn't matter how many processors power Kaiser, it's slow as it stands now.

Cool Comparison:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876

pyraxiate said:
GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.
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Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!

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How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Not trying to be mean, but I think it's a silly comparison...
A more logical comparison would be Kaiser vs Touch Pro...

cincy1020 said:
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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it does with several games /emus but very few (if any) apps

cincy1020 said:
Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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flash memory / expandability (card slot)? QWERTY? in these, the Kaiser is way better

I suppose it's pretty individual issue. Diamond has faster CPU, VGA screen, sexy interface with 4Gb internal memory without expansion slot, so as a result this is rather alternative to iPhone with limited advantage of using loads of free or hacked WM software limited by those 4Gb only.
Keiser is solid QWERTY-featured 100% WM device with all its outcome. For instance I had been using HTC Blue Angel (wich is actually direct ancestor of Keiser) for 4 years and done to it almost everything except direct sexual intercourse.
The choice of XDA veteran.

rudeboye said:
Cool Comparison:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876
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I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...

tak.japan said:
I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...
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Does the Diamond have Drivers? Maybe its because the CPU isnt getting its ass beat by drawing the screen all day long.
Could be another benefit to getting working drivers on the kaiser.
just a thought.

Toshiba G810 better even they are using MSM7200 400Mhz which is same as TYTN 2.
Look at the video , the drawing speed is much much smoother and faster than our TYTN2 .... HTC , you really need to DO SOMETHING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAyJ7_f3rS0&feature=related
Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?

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Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?
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Anybody got a rom dump of the 810 then?

g810
Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.

fhteagle said:
Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.
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Any news on you g810? Would be great if you can dump the rom.

Which Chromecast to Buy (Rootable SN +Armada1000 vs nonRootable Armada1500

I recently bought Chromecast SN:3916...(it is not shipped yed and i may choose )
Which hardware revision is it?
Asking because of i have also available 3916, 3917, 3918, 3B14, 3B15, 3B16, 3B17
Which should I pick to get Armada 1500(hw3.30)?
https://origin-www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500-mini/index.jsp
Is root with hardware 3.10 worth more than better chip
http://www.marvell.com.cn/digital-entertainment/assets/armada_1000_pb.pdf
According to wikidevi ""H840 REV 3.xx" is silkscreened on the board"
sources for more info on subject:
http://wikidevi.com/wiki/Google_Chromecast_(H2G2-42)]
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Chromecast+Teardown/16069
Clues:
ifixit teardown: SN:3607101ZYGMS HW:3.30
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Chromecast+Teardown/16069
anadtech teardown: SN:3626101ZXFCA HW:3.10(pcb looks like from FCC pictures)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7186/google-chromecast-review-an-awesome-35-hdmi-dongle

mathorv said:
I recently bought Chromecast SN:3916...(it is not shipped yed and i may choose )
Which hardware revision is it?
Asking because of i have also available 3916, 3917, 3918, 3B14,3B15,3B16,3B17
Which should I pick to get Armada 1500(hw3.30)?
https://origin-www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500-mini/index.jsp
Is root with hardware 3.10 worth more than better chip
http://www.marvell.com.cn/digital-entertainment/assets/armada_1000_pb.pdf
According to wikidevi ""H840 REV 3.xx" is silkscreened on the board"
sources for more info on subject:
http://wikidevi.com/wiki/Google_Chromecast_(H2G2-42)]
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Chromecast+Teardown/16069
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I have a chromecast here with serial 36** and it has REV 3.30 printed on the board. All chromecasts should be Rev 3.30, anything earlier was a test or prototype device from my understanding.

ddggttff3 said:
I have a chromecast here with serial 36** and it has REV 3.30 printed on the board. All chromecasts should be Rev 3.30, anything earlier was a test or prototype device from my understanding.
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Another thing to consider, since Chromecast is an appliance type device, even if for whatever reason the next batch started shipping with a SoC platform that was 3x faster, end-users wouldn't see much difference, if any.
It's unlikely Google and the other providers would start making different content available to Chromecasts based on their hardware revision. It would be a support catastrophe for everyone and settings a "you might more if you wait" precedent will kill sales momentum.
Consistency of operation and functionality is the key goal across any hardware revision within the same model. Sometimes that even means underclocking a chip that could perform faster, if for some reason an old chip is replaced with a faster one.
tl;dr: I really wouldn't worry too much about the platform specifics on board revisions unless you're really planning to "dig deep" and do something drastic like heavily modify the OS.

bhiga said:
Another thing to consider, since Chromecast is an appliance type device, even if for whatever reason the next batch started shipping with a SoC platform that was 3x faster, end-users wouldn't see much difference, if any.
It's unlikely Google and the other providers would start making different content available to Chromecasts based on their hardware revision. It would be a support catastrophe for everyone and settings a "you might more if you wait" precedent will kill sales momentum.
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Yes but one of the links he posted points to a newer more powerful chipset meant to support 1080P better.
To support those extra features may not actually be too difficult if they just add some code to the Player App that detects highest resolution of the unit when it makes the request.
It wouldn't affect the DIAL protocol at all which is really the sell point here...
Google and Netflix are trying to sell the standard and the device is secondary to that goal. They just needed one device to support it and now they would have zero issues with other OEMs making devices that were DIAL compliant
Better Surround capabilities, Better and Higher resolutions even better net connection capabilities (Full Dual Band N) I can see coming from OEMs in the future, now that may not translate to higher quality NetFlix support but it sure would make the device a lot better on the local streaming side which is good but not great and suggests thats why local took longer to get supported than the others.
I expect to see a lot of devices like Roku and others implement some sort of DIAL support.
And while it may eventually cut into Chromecast sales if the Protocol is widely adopted Google and Netflix will feel like Mission Accomplished.
What we may see is something along the lines of Chromecast Nexus where some 3rd Party makes the hardware and slaps Google's name on it!

Asphyx said:
Yes but one of the links he posted points to a newer more powerful chipset meant to support 1080P better.
To support those extra features may not actually be too difficult if they just add some code to the Player App that detects highest resolution of the unit when it makes the request.
It wouldn't affect the DIAL protocol at all which is really the sell point here...
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Yes, but it's a poor customer experience when you buy a Acme 9000 and your friend buys an Acme 9000, but your friend's 9000 has a 300-yard range while yours only has a 200-yard range in the same field under the same conditions.
You're right that Google and Netflix are selling the DIAL platform, but the consumer couldn't care less what the platform is, especially for an appliance-type device. They just care that it works, not whether it runs Linux, Windows Embedded, CentOS, or MS-DOS 6.22 It's not a phone or a computer. Nobody asks what OS Smart TVs run - or maybe they do but nobody admits it...
Asphyx said:
I expect to see a lot of devices like Roku and others implement some sort of DIAL support.
And while it may eventually cut into Chromecast sales if the Protocol is widely adopted Google and Netflix will feel like Mission Accomplished.
What we may see is something along the lines of Chromecast Nexus where some 3rd Party makes the hardware and slaps Google's name on it!
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Exactly - TVs and other devices supporting Google Cast, it's already starting. That's why Google's site mentions "Cast devices" and "Cast SDK" most of the time, mentioning Chromecast only when specifically referring to the Chromecast in particular.
True platform convergence for the multimedia convergence that finally arrived - that would be something! :good:

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Yes, but it's a poor customer experience when you buy a Acme 9000 and your friend buys an Acme 9000, but your friend's 9000 has a 300-yard range while yours only has a 200-yard range in the same field under the same conditions.
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I get what your saying and your right, but Google essentially just did this with the Nexus 7 tablet didn't they? LOL