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Kaiser on Vflyer....Legit?

Sorry if this thread is better suited elsewhere but I am currently shopping
for a good deal on a Kaiser. When using google to shop for the device I see
alot of great deals on Vflyer.com ... But i've never heard of the site before
is this a scam place or did we find some legit deals here? if this place is trying
to steal our money then I'd love some suggestions on good online dealers for US customers.
Thanks for your help guys :3

DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. i was about to fall into these scams, but the October 5th tilt release date saved me. all of them are scams, i even opened a thread about them if you search you can find it. at that time you could buy kaiser from $250-$550. all of them just accept western Union which doesn't have any money back guarantee. and they say they only accept pay pal for mass orders. i emailed almost all of them. i got three different offers from 1 person with same address, most of them are from Oakland.
search the web if you like to know about them, they may even give you a tracking number, whether they made it up or they just sent you an empty package.
dont get yourself in a trouble. I did a lot of research about this.

Thanks alot,
The price was shadey ...$300 kaiser
from a korean whole saler...they emailed
me about my questions and said that they
only sale in bulk but one send me one as a
sample unit but only if I use western union....yeah I think i'll pass.
Does anyone know of a good legit place to get a kaiser for the
500 range? I want this phone with a firey passion but don't want
the ATT version.
Thanks guys!

well, the only way to get it around that price is ebay. you might find a good deal.

Kaiser for Sale!!

Used AT&T HTC Tilt/Kaiser for sale
Money order preferably
If you need pay pal then no problem but my bro will receive the money instead of me and will take a bit more longer to get it.
Price: $220.00 (no shipping and handling)
Rom: ruu_signed_Duttys_WM6 .1_hybrid_1.64.08.21 [RTM]
Radio: KAIS_radio_only_1.64.08.21
The phone is basically new and has been well taken care of; it has no scratches and it’s in excellent condition.
For more information, PM me.
Thank you

I'm bumping this thread so others can be able to see.

UPDATED!!
I posted pics..

If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items

Dr. Strangelove said:
If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items
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How about the Car Battery charger?

Dr. Strangelove said:
If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items
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Is that from Mike Moore's, Roger & Me? Where they expected all the GM workers to find jobs making lint rollers and candles?

No, but nice try
Read this thread completely:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394724
Then you will understand my post. Reading it pissed me off and I really feel bad for the people involved. Again, I hope it gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction. But when I see a sale, I always think of that thread (NO relation whatsoever between this and the other thread).

yeah i knew about this.
For my service of selling, I will give all I can so you keep me in contact no matter what. If I have to give my phone number/msn account/ anything else then so be it.

hey, i just replied to your PM.
sorry for the delay. worked all day. please reply back.
thanks

Treat this post as a standard disclaimer and it is NOT aimed specifically at this seller.
Sadly, we recently had a case of a member who pretended to be selling Kaisers but was sending out "junk".
So -
If you buy any device from any member having seen it for sale on XDA-Developers; then you do so at your own risk. It is entirely up to you to ascertain if the description of the device is accurate and the offer genuine. You are not covered / protected in any way by XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers has not checked or authorised the sale of any device on these forums.

Can we merge this with the other post that the OP already put up offering hit tilt for sale? Or maybe with the other 50 page "help" thread as a nice
denouement to this entire saga?

it's not necessary to do..
anyways this guy is already making the deal.
I won't let him down.

the reason why Ninja Gaiden II is in the picture of my nickname is because I told him before that I was going to play the game meanwhile waiting for my brother to appear with the paypal information.

hey man, sorry i got distracted here at home.
reply back to my PM and we'll be good to go.

This thread can be closed now.
Item sold.

hey bro, got the phone!
Just as described. Glad to be back on a tilt!

It's refreshing to hear that you finally got what you deserved.
You will for sure put it in better use than I did.
Enjoy it and take care.

Try sell it on eBay, you get big bucks out of it... I paid $280 for a brand new one just week ago, too bad or I would have got your phone...

[INFO/DEBATE] Pricing on devices

Funny thing here when I see some phones sell for $200 and then 2 more people come and put it up for $400 or $600. What I don't get is why can't you guys follow the regular market? You won't get the best price for selling stuff here because almost everyone knows the device and how much it's worth. Ebay/Craigslist are usually the ones that sell for higher because you have a bigger audience. In a dev forum, I think that people would be looking for the best price. I bought a touch hd for $300 from the marketplace. That was a great value. Somepeople bought it for $500. I mean great, but seriously. Having things like putting up a fuze for $400 even if it's BNIB and Xperia for over $500? You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price. I saw ridiculous things such as someone asking the same amount as a brand new one from retail. It's ridiculous. I admit I'm trying to sell a device here, but not saying like $300. I am selling one with a broken screen, and all I did was look at the price for what they were regularly selling it for, find a medium, take that price, subtract money for screen. I thought that was reasonable, but I guess others don't. I don't care about getting the best sell out there. I just want to sell it to someone who knows what they're doing unlike people who buy the iPhone to show off, etc.

I agree wholeheartedly. I was actually selling a phone recently and found a buyer on Craigslist. I researched on ebay/CL first.
If never ceases to amaze me that someone thinks they can get more money for the previous gen's unlocked price than someone would pay for the current gen phone without contract. Capitalism is great and all but it's pretty easy nowadays to get right to the real market value. If you get tons of responses at one price it probably could have gone a little higher and that's how you would know.

While I can both agree and disagree, I must point out that it is at the sellers discretion what he/she may sell a device at. Likewise, it is at the buyers discretion what he/she will pay for a device. Yes, I've gotten some great deals on here. Yes, I've essentially called someone a moron here for trying to sell a device for much more than it's worth. Yes, I've been responded to on both situations. However, A devices' value will vary from one person to the next. It's all in the eyes of the techie that wants it.
With that said, I do agree that asking full retail or more for a device, regardless of its' condition, is a bit..well.. stupid. However, if someone wants the device bad enough, they'll pay the price. Case-in-point, Expansys has the Touch Pro 2 (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=179097) for 499 Sterling ($826.99 USD, for those of us who spend in USD instead of British Pounds). While I can only say "WTF ARE YOU ON", there's no doubt in my mind that Expansys is selling these devices on a regular basis. The value is all in the eyes of the buyer. Is it worth it for me to spend $830.00 on a phone? No. Is it worth it to someone else? Probably. I can't fault Expansys for trying to make some money, but I can't say that I'd be one of the suckers buying from them either.
It's all a game of perception. Regardless of market value, you'll still see some things selling for extreme prices. At the same time, you'll still see some users just about giving a device away. Final case: I got my HTC Athena (8gb MicroDrive, Window Mount, Car Charger, House Charger, Sync Cable, VGA Cable, and HTC USB Splitter (for sync + wired headset) for 200 + 15 shipping. Ebay says it sells for between 350 and 1200. The seller was interested in selling, I was interested in buying.
That's my $.02, it'll cost you $9,999.99. I take Cash, Money Order, and PayPal (verified only).
-John

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You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price.
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your points of view are valid and you are allowed to have your opinions,
opening a thread to discuss it is a good way to handle it
but to regurgitate it in every post in which you disagree about the asking price is a bit rude
(if you don't agree with the price don't bid,
make a counter offer but don't laugh at or insult the sellers, which your bargaining technique seems to be)
I never sold anything online, so
I tried to sell here 1st (I'll assume others do it for the same reason)
because eBay is a hassle (and the fees)
and
it's always nice to pass it on to someone who knows how to get the most from a device
turns out eBay was less hassle then here
my conclusion is that eBay is better for newer Devices in great condition
and forums might be better for less than good condition or older devices / parts
eBay/Craigslist nets a better price because the buyer gets what they want when they want it
scouring the forum(s) for a deal takes longer and more effort
to each buyer and seller his/her own, that’s capitalism
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time

I do agree with Kraize.
It is definitely an interest from the buyer and seller. Unusual price is not really helping anyone and just waste of time. Besides seller has to keep in mind that it is a forum, not like....eBay...

Its a marketplace my friend. Who we are to determine what people should ask for their phone. Your points are valid & rather it resembles to my wishful thinking as well, but you know its about market, how can we control it when US govt itself couldn't. Let them have the best price for their device if they feel then can get one here. But yes one should not feel bad about low balls for sure.(Who-M3 must be in agreement with me in this case) LOL

Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.

Kraize said:
It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.

There is a perfect match always.
What I mean is that if someone decides to sell his device in $700 and someone else decide to buy it that´s ok!
Even if we know that this is not the real price.
It is different to try to scam people than the value you put your device, that is so personal.
My Univeral for me has a value of much more than it´s real price and if someone thinks like me sure if he decides to sell it will be in a superior price
There is the real value and the sentimental value...
So we just have to help to improve security for scammers, but for regular trustable members, let them sell their devices to the price they think it´s ok!
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,

Sir.B said:
judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
That said, his attitude and posts may appear to be pompous and abrasive to you, but to others his posts can be interpreted as guidance. At the same time, your post above can be seen as pompous and abrasive. However, just as you've indicated towards Kraize, it may be the way you prefer to handle this situation.
Again, with everything we have said in mind, these forums are Moderated by a team of people who do their best to stay unobtrusive. They may see some of the posts above and say "You know, that's just crossing the line". Hell, I've reported posts with less attacks for that type of stuff. At the same time, they may agree with you, or with Kraize, but that doesn't mean they'll let everything stay. That's my $.02, and I want my $9,999.99 now..
-John

Sir.B said:
judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across. Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive when you people post stuff for such high prices, but it doesn't matter. It really does save people time from having to bump their thread, re-think their pricing, posting, rejecting, etc.

Market v. Extrinsic v. Intrinsic Value
If I may . . . I think you are all tugging and pulling at the distinctions between market value, extrinsic value, and intrinsic value. In reverse, intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that the thing has “in itself" and for its own sake. In a sense it has value because it "is". By this reckoning: Even the trade name "HTC" has value in that the goodwill that it generates makes people buy its products over say, a Palm product. I would argue this is precisely why some of you inherently react differently to characterizing a device as an "Athena" v. "Advantage" v. "Dopod" v. a "Thoth"; this-without regard to the sub-model designation, or the network carrier, if so assigned. Although it's insufficient to put it that extrinsic value is the opposite of intrisic value, for brevity, it'll do here. So, as one of our members so astutely put it "if X is in a world of letters out there, and among them, another letter, K is willing to buy X's item for $700, then the price for the item is $700". This is NOT the "Market Price" however. It is the price for THAT item; and it is reasonable between the parties. As to Market Price, that is what you get when you take the amalgamation of all like-kind transactions, based on arms-legnth negotiations, bargained-for-in-exchange resulting in an overall price scheme. (P.S. Mucking around with any of these does not affect the presence of fraud or the lack thereof. Nor does it relate much to the question of quality assurance. X can still swindle K; X can still sell K a brick. This above analysis remains unchanged).
I DO follow a rule of "tennor". A rule most of you are writing about without actually addressing it. That is: If you don't get along with the person, or find their posts insulting (even quietly insulting to your sensibility); if you have no meeting of the minds at the outset of an introductory email or PM or post, is it rational to expect you would have such a meeting of the minds when a transaction goes south? The only thing that surprises me about this . . . is that people keep getting surprised when such things occur.

Funny?
|Jason8| said:
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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Is it me or is it pretty funny that someone tried to jack this thread to sell their Fuze for $700?

I think mods are on holiday. This thread should have not been here. It affects independent functioning of market place.

Who-m3 said:
I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
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Sorry, I am using a small screen device, it's just easier to write that way, I'll try and curb that habit. I had no idea carriage return burns bandwidth, how so?
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across.
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I never claimed to know your intentions, I simply say that your comments are harsh, you can say all the same things less derisively and more politely.
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I made no assumptions about you as a person, and you yourself admit to having an aggressive approach to discourse, something I disagree as necessary. Just doesn't seem to go with "respectful" philosophy implied in forum rules.

i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!

Hey!
What ever are our points of view, let´s keep this thread in peace and respect, so Mods can leave it open for continuing with this hot debate.
Just a suggestion

katzung said:
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
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LOL. You know, if this was in real life, I'm sure that if someone told me an outrageous price, I would've smacked them, shook my head, and laughed.

Thread moved to off-topic.
The marketplace is for buying / selling / trading only.
Thanks
Dave

nookie froyo sd card $70 on ebay

people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nook-Color-Froy...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb4ab56db#ht_1040wt_1139

Overpriced? What would be the appropriate price?

RoboRay said:
Overpriced? What would be the appropriate price?
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Actually assuming it's not the author of the software selling it, no price is appropriate. It's blatant copyright infringement and should be pulled from ebay.
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Of course in the real world things are never totally clear cut. If I was representing the eBay seller I'd argue some sort of implied copyright license. OTOH I think it's a relatively weak case as the implied license is most likely for users of this board. I'd really strongly suggest that authors here put a notice in their code/posts stating what they want to allow (i.e. personal use only/do not distribute, etc.)
Disclaimer: I am a lawyer. I am not YOUR lawyer. This is not legal advice and just discussion.

It is sad, it truly is, but if people can't be bothered to read a little bit, and they have the money, let them buy whatever they want. (I have a feeling that had way too many commas but whatevs lol)
I would much rather them go that safe route than have their device bricked I guess :/
Even though its hard to brick your device from an SD card (and by that I mean impossible)

yerand said:
people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
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this guy should be spammed. it ruins the point of open source. sure, your paying for a sevice but....what happens after they get the nook and OTA's happen. What happens when something goes wrong or they want to update. How about mentioning that it voids the warranty. Unsuspecting people will have no idea what to do when a problem arises.
imagine giving a rooted nook color to your mother and telling her she is on her own from here out. its just wrong.

not to mention the $18 dollar shipping charge...that's crazy
techboydino said:
yerand said:
people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
this guy should be spammed. it ruins the point of open source. sure, your paying for a sevice but....what happens after they get the nook and OTA's happen. What happens when something goes wrong or they want to update. How about mentioning that it voids the warranty. Unsuspecting people will have no idea what to do when a problem arises.
imagine giving a rooted nook color to your mother and telling her she is on her own from here out. its just wrong.
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I wrote to the sellers and reported them as well. That being said, if they can confirm that they are the true creators of these "services" I would certainly feel a bit like an ass. However, that being said, I don't think they were.
The whole point of open source and free creating is just that, open and free.
If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of rooting a device, they should stick with leaving it in stock form.

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If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of rooting a device, they should stick with leaving it in stock form.
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If someone "does not have the wits" to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care or simply don't have time to learn how to do?

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If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care to learn how to do?
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Two totally different beasts. You could apply your "logic" to just about everything in life.
They will not have the technical know-how of keeping up with the released updates, or know how to fix anything if something goes wrong.
Not to mention the fact that they are offering, at a ridiculous price no less, to simply apply software, that they likely didn't even create, to someone's hardware.
You don't find anything wrong with this at all?

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Two totally different beasts. You could apply your "logic" to just about everything in life.
They will not have the technical know-how of keeping up with the released updates, or know how to fix anything if something goes wrong.
Not to mention the fact that they are offering, at a ridiculous price no less, to simply apply software, that they likely didn't even create, to someone's hardware.
You don't find anything wrong with this at all?
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It's certainly distasteful, but I think you'll have a hard time proving they're doing anything improper.
Who are we to decide what price somebody should put on what they are selling? In case you are unfamiliar with market economics, the seller is free to set any price he chooses, just as the buyers are free to decide if they are willing or not to pay it. Nobody is forced to buy if they feel the price is to high.
It's not substantially different from the cases I mentioned, either. In all of them, circumstances can and will arise where the customer will be unable to cope without further support. It's the customer's responsibility to ensure that support will be available. If it won't be, they are pretty foolish if they don't either shop elsewhere or learn to manage on their own.
And yes, we can and do apply this logic to everything in life.

What i meant by overpriced was that if he were to sell them for twenty or even thirty dollars (depending on the capacity of the card). He would be doing a service, providing people with no tech know-how an easy way to root. But at those prices, they are just taking advantage of people.
Sent from my LogicPD Zoom2 using XDA App

yerand said:
What i meant by overpriced was that if he were to sell them for twenty or even thirty dollars (depending on the capacity of the card). He would be doing a service, providing people with no tech know-how an easy way to root. But at those prices, they are just taking advantage of people.
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Agreed there, but if people choose not to educate themselves, we can't do it for them. And I guarantee that there are people who feel that spending $70 to turn their $250 ereader into a $500 tablet is money well spent. /shrug

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If someone "does not have the wits" to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care or simply don't have time to learn how to do?
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All of the services that you mentioned would come standard with a warranty of some sort to insure that if anything goes wrong, the contractor, the caterer, or the mechanic would fix it for free, or for a small service fee.
There are no such guarantees here. For instance, the new 1.1.0 update that was pushed out this past week...what kind of insurance are they going to give the consumer that if the update breaks the root, that they won't have to pay another large fee just to have it fixed? Or that it can even BE fixed? (Which at the moment, it can't)
It's not illegal, but it's shady and unethical as hell, and they should be reported. Or the consumer should at least be aware of the consequences.

I agree with everything everyone has said in a very legally binding manner. Its prey vs hunter at this point. Who has the sharpest claws?
sent from my nootered nook color

What the sellers are doing is a little wrong but you can find people offering to root phones all over craigslist for $50+, what's the difference? I don't agree with the argument that they should provide some warranty for future updates. The service they're offering will do exactly as their listing says and doesn't promise to work in the event that a future update breaks root.
If someone pays what they're asking, and I agree it's a ridiculous price, then that's what it's worth to them. IMO, people pay too much for many things but they see value in it (i.e. famous art), whereas I don't. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy art but I would never pay $108 million, if I had billions, for a Jackson Pollock. I say, to each his own.

I think it's a matter up to the consumer. Any informed consumer would do research before making the investment, and probably determine that it's too hard / too much work for them to do themselves. If they don't take this into account, that's not the seller's fault. Just my $0.02.
Regardless, a search of eBay shows that it's catching on with more than just one person:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_tr...kw=nook+color+froyo&_sacat=See-All-Categories

I received a message back from the one sellers, and he/she was very offended and said that I have no right to say anything, and so what if it is unethical or distasteful.
He/she claims to have taken part in the help of rooting the Nook, so it is no doubt that they are quite active on these or other forums. And I am sure they are reading this, and will be able to associate my name here with the person that has messaged them. Hi.
People like you make me sick, you are no different than the creditors that call 95 year old ladies up to take every last penny they have so that you can buy the boat at the end of the year.
If you did in fact have anything to do with the rooting process, and the many hours that have been spent to root these devices, you should be ashamed of yourself.

TchnclFl said:
I think it's a matter up to the consumer. Any informed consumer would do research before making the investment, and probably determine that it's too hard / too much work for them to do themselves. If they don't take this into account, that's not the seller's fault. Just my $0.02.
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Yes, it is the sellers fault. That is like saying that the tobacco companies are in no way responsible for the millions of deaths every year from THEIR product. Now, I know this is a stretch, and an exaggeration, but it is on purpose to show my point.
It's wrong, plain and simple. Of course, that's just my 2 cents.

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Yes, it is the sellers fault. That is like saying that the tobacco companies are in no way responsible for the millions of deaths every year from THEIR product. Now, I know this is a stretch, and an exaggeration, but it is on purpose to show my point.
It's wrong, plain and simple. Of course, that's just my 2 cents.
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I disagree. You can't get addicted to buying overpriced things. There comes a point when you are physically incapable (or at least nearly so) of stopping smoking, and you NEED to go back to the companies. They made their warnings clear, but that didn't matter. If you buy an overpriced uSD card, you're not going to be physically required to buy more.
EDIT: I might add that depending on which cards you're talking about, they're more or less a scam. When I was saying it's not unreasonable, I referring to the ones in the lower range like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280623461313
I mean a good retail 4 GB uSD card can cost close to that.

For the passionate
Seems like there are some that are quite passionate in seeing that this guy only gets what he has worked for.
So I suggest that they cut his market out. Sell an item that just covers listing costs and your time that shows people how to root and links them to XDA and shows them how "fish for themselves". You might end up stealing enough of his market share that he quits.
Just and idea...

I Found A Better Way To Recycle Old Electronics

Hey everyone. I've been coming around these parts for a long time now and I truly love the xda community. So I want to share some info I've recently come across while trying to get rid of my old androids and computers. I wrote all about it already at http://makethebestof.weebly.com/how-not-tos/how-not-to-get-ripped-off-when-recycling. I have found that if you take the time and a little effort, you can make a ton of money off of old or broken android phones. plus, your doing your earthly deeds. done.. dirt... cheap... i apologize.. So here I would like to talk about what we all do with our androids that are too far gone to be sold to places like usell or whatever. So what do you guys all do?

About 60% of my old electronics I give away.
Mostly to my parents when it comes to modern devices (phones, tablets). True, I don't make money off that, but these are the people whose house I live in without having to pay anything. As a result, they're still willing to loan me money for a new device without interest. And it got my dad (who got my S3) to go from 'Smartphones are nonsense, those stupid youths are all obsessed with their phone, even on lunch break, nobody talks anymore!' to him spending 80% of his free time reading on his phone. Bonus!
Anything else that's still useful either finds another home or ends up donated to the Salvation Army.
The rest, I keep. You never know when you may find a use for it, and resell brings you about 5% of the original price here. Not worth it.
I only throw away something if it's completely unfixably dead and I can't find another use for it.
Money has never been of any worth to me other than that I can pay my bills. I'd rather have someone owe me than get a few quid out of it. Much more useful.