Funny thing here when I see some phones sell for $200 and then 2 more people come and put it up for $400 or $600. What I don't get is why can't you guys follow the regular market? You won't get the best price for selling stuff here because almost everyone knows the device and how much it's worth. Ebay/Craigslist are usually the ones that sell for higher because you have a bigger audience. In a dev forum, I think that people would be looking for the best price. I bought a touch hd for $300 from the marketplace. That was a great value. Somepeople bought it for $500. I mean great, but seriously. Having things like putting up a fuze for $400 even if it's BNIB and Xperia for over $500? You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price. I saw ridiculous things such as someone asking the same amount as a brand new one from retail. It's ridiculous. I admit I'm trying to sell a device here, but not saying like $300. I am selling one with a broken screen, and all I did was look at the price for what they were regularly selling it for, find a medium, take that price, subtract money for screen. I thought that was reasonable, but I guess others don't. I don't care about getting the best sell out there. I just want to sell it to someone who knows what they're doing unlike people who buy the iPhone to show off, etc.
I agree wholeheartedly. I was actually selling a phone recently and found a buyer on Craigslist. I researched on ebay/CL first.
If never ceases to amaze me that someone thinks they can get more money for the previous gen's unlocked price than someone would pay for the current gen phone without contract. Capitalism is great and all but it's pretty easy nowadays to get right to the real market value. If you get tons of responses at one price it probably could have gone a little higher and that's how you would know.
While I can both agree and disagree, I must point out that it is at the sellers discretion what he/she may sell a device at. Likewise, it is at the buyers discretion what he/she will pay for a device. Yes, I've gotten some great deals on here. Yes, I've essentially called someone a moron here for trying to sell a device for much more than it's worth. Yes, I've been responded to on both situations. However, A devices' value will vary from one person to the next. It's all in the eyes of the techie that wants it.
With that said, I do agree that asking full retail or more for a device, regardless of its' condition, is a bit..well.. stupid. However, if someone wants the device bad enough, they'll pay the price. Case-in-point, Expansys has the Touch Pro 2 (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=179097) for 499 Sterling ($826.99 USD, for those of us who spend in USD instead of British Pounds). While I can only say "WTF ARE YOU ON", there's no doubt in my mind that Expansys is selling these devices on a regular basis. The value is all in the eyes of the buyer. Is it worth it for me to spend $830.00 on a phone? No. Is it worth it to someone else? Probably. I can't fault Expansys for trying to make some money, but I can't say that I'd be one of the suckers buying from them either.
It's all a game of perception. Regardless of market value, you'll still see some things selling for extreme prices. At the same time, you'll still see some users just about giving a device away. Final case: I got my HTC Athena (8gb MicroDrive, Window Mount, Car Charger, House Charger, Sync Cable, VGA Cable, and HTC USB Splitter (for sync + wired headset) for 200 + 15 shipping. Ebay says it sells for between 350 and 1200. The seller was interested in selling, I was interested in buying.
That's my $.02, it'll cost you $9,999.99. I take Cash, Money Order, and PayPal (verified only).
-John
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You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price.
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your points of view are valid and you are allowed to have your opinions,
opening a thread to discuss it is a good way to handle it
but to regurgitate it in every post in which you disagree about the asking price is a bit rude
(if you don't agree with the price don't bid,
make a counter offer but don't laugh at or insult the sellers, which your bargaining technique seems to be)
I never sold anything online, so
I tried to sell here 1st (I'll assume others do it for the same reason)
because eBay is a hassle (and the fees)
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it's always nice to pass it on to someone who knows how to get the most from a device
turns out eBay was less hassle then here
my conclusion is that eBay is better for newer Devices in great condition
and forums might be better for less than good condition or older devices / parts
eBay/Craigslist nets a better price because the buyer gets what they want when they want it
scouring the forum(s) for a deal takes longer and more effort
to each buyer and seller his/her own, that’s capitalism
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
I do agree with Kraize.
It is definitely an interest from the buyer and seller. Unusual price is not really helping anyone and just waste of time. Besides seller has to keep in mind that it is a forum, not like....eBay...
Its a marketplace my friend. Who we are to determine what people should ask for their phone. Your points are valid & rather it resembles to my wishful thinking as well, but you know its about market, how can we control it when US govt itself couldn't. Let them have the best price for their device if they feel then can get one here. But yes one should not feel bad about low balls for sure.(Who-M3 must be in agreement with me in this case) LOL
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
There is a perfect match always.
What I mean is that if someone decides to sell his device in $700 and someone else decide to buy it that´s ok!
Even if we know that this is not the real price.
It is different to try to scam people than the value you put your device, that is so personal.
My Univeral for me has a value of much more than it´s real price and if someone thinks like me sure if he decides to sell it will be in a superior price
There is the real value and the sentimental value...
So we just have to help to improve security for scammers, but for regular trustable members, let them sell their devices to the price they think it´s ok!
Just my opinion.
Respectfully,
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
That said, his attitude and posts may appear to be pompous and abrasive to you, but to others his posts can be interpreted as guidance. At the same time, your post above can be seen as pompous and abrasive. However, just as you've indicated towards Kraize, it may be the way you prefer to handle this situation.
Again, with everything we have said in mind, these forums are Moderated by a team of people who do their best to stay unobtrusive. They may see some of the posts above and say "You know, that's just crossing the line". Hell, I've reported posts with less attacks for that type of stuff. At the same time, they may agree with you, or with Kraize, but that doesn't mean they'll let everything stay. That's my $.02, and I want my $9,999.99 now..
-John
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judging from your past posts and choice of phrases
seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,
there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price
just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across. Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive when you people post stuff for such high prices, but it doesn't matter. It really does save people time from having to bump their thread, re-think their pricing, posting, rejecting, etc.
Market v. Extrinsic v. Intrinsic Value
If I may . . . I think you are all tugging and pulling at the distinctions between market value, extrinsic value, and intrinsic value. In reverse, intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that the thing has “in itself" and for its own sake. In a sense it has value because it "is". By this reckoning: Even the trade name "HTC" has value in that the goodwill that it generates makes people buy its products over say, a Palm product. I would argue this is precisely why some of you inherently react differently to characterizing a device as an "Athena" v. "Advantage" v. "Dopod" v. a "Thoth"; this-without regard to the sub-model designation, or the network carrier, if so assigned. Although it's insufficient to put it that extrinsic value is the opposite of intrisic value, for brevity, it'll do here. So, as one of our members so astutely put it "if X is in a world of letters out there, and among them, another letter, K is willing to buy X's item for $700, then the price for the item is $700". This is NOT the "Market Price" however. It is the price for THAT item; and it is reasonable between the parties. As to Market Price, that is what you get when you take the amalgamation of all like-kind transactions, based on arms-legnth negotiations, bargained-for-in-exchange resulting in an overall price scheme. (P.S. Mucking around with any of these does not affect the presence of fraud or the lack thereof. Nor does it relate much to the question of quality assurance. X can still swindle K; X can still sell K a brick. This above analysis remains unchanged).
I DO follow a rule of "tennor". A rule most of you are writing about without actually addressing it. That is: If you don't get along with the person, or find their posts insulting (even quietly insulting to your sensibility); if you have no meeting of the minds at the outset of an introductory email or PM or post, is it rational to expect you would have such a meeting of the minds when a transaction goes south? The only thing that surprises me about this . . . is that people keep getting surprised when such things occur.
Funny?
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Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.
That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)
It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!
Drop me a PM if interested.
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Is it me or is it pretty funny that someone tried to jack this thread to sell their Fuze for $700?
I think mods are on holiday. This thread should have not been here. It affects independent functioning of market place.
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I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(
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Sorry, I am using a small screen device, it's just easier to write that way, I'll try and curb that habit. I had no idea carriage return burns bandwidth, how so?
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O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across.
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I never claimed to know your intentions, I simply say that your comments are harsh, you can say all the same things less derisively and more politely.
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I made no assumptions about you as a person, and you yourself admit to having an aggressive approach to discourse, something I disagree as necessary. Just doesn't seem to go with "respectful" philosophy implied in forum rules.
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
Hey!
What ever are our points of view, let´s keep this thread in peace and respect, so Mods can leave it open for continuing with this hot debate.
Just a suggestion
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i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here
ITS THE WWF SHOW.
what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol
thats y i say
xda rules!
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LOL. You know, if this was in real life, I'm sure that if someone told me an outrageous price, I would've smacked them, shook my head, and laughed.
Thread moved to off-topic.
The marketplace is for buying / selling / trading only.
Thanks
Dave
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Hi all,
So, it was posted at the end of last month that cmonex was willing to lend her expertise to helping address the video driver issue. However, she needed access to a Kaiser to do so.
Now I have heard a lot about her abilities across the fora. I am all for people's efforts to raise awareness and force HTC to address this (see my other post below) but I am also keen to give her a chance to see what she can do.
All it needs is for about 25 people to donate £10 each and we can buy one to send to her. I am happy to organise this, with a purchase via Ebay. However, I am not able to put up the whole amount myself. Also if we club together to fund this, if it doesn't work out, no-one has lost a large amount.
I would purchase it on Ebay and post the auction link here so that all can see the money has been spent as intended.
Post below if you are willing to contribute and once we have enough volunteers, I will identify a suitable auction. Please only post if you are truly willing to part with the money. I know there is the bounty fund but suggestions to use some of that to fund this purchase have fallen flat, and I think we need to organise this properly.
Of course, no one could reply and I'll feel quite embarrased at this post! (Mods, I might call on your pity to remove this if that happens!!) But I figure it's worth a try - if we all do what we can, maybe we can conclude this issue.
PS Don't bother posting to say what's the point. I know we 30days to return, no-one forced us to purchase. I am extremelly happy with this phone and would only consider selling if there was another product exactly the same, only with hardware acceleration support! Just want to get the most from the device we were given. I realise HTC never promised h/w acceleration, and that the chipset just has the capacity. But surely the spirit of XDA-devs is to try optimise the experience we get from our devices?!
I'm in for $20 US
Thanks. No-one else keen to pursue other options? I have confirmed with cmonex that she has not yet got a TyTN 2 to work on...
im in for $25 USD
I'm in for $20 USD
I'll chip in £10
In for $20 USD
As long as people can confirm this is a reputable deal with some chance of success, I am in for £10. I (and I am sure many others) would be reassured if a mod was involved in this thread.
Surur
Count me in for $30 US... as long as we can verify that's he'she is not just trying to get a free Kaiser.
$20 US. Plus some letters to make the post long enough.
Criminy.
$20 here. (and perhaps the chance to be one of the first test dummies?)
refurb tilt?
i know i dont have a premier account, but ive been hearing about people getting tilts for $149.99 which is pretty cheap. Maybe thats an option as well?
We need a two year contract for that.
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not really, depending on the agreement between at&t and the company.......u can do a "device only" upgrade several times a year, some even have the privilege of unlimited upgrades.
Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap ).
I don't have a problem putting in a few quid for this, but I think it might be better to contact Chainfire (as a focal point) and offer the services through his website so we can be publicly seen to be:
a. Disgruntled with HTC.
b. Prepared to take action against HTC.
c. Prepared to find our own solutions - even if this involves costs over and above our original purchase price.
This might even highlight to HTC that we could work with THEM to get a solution which avoids bad publicity, pissed-off-never-to-return customers and ultimately unlocks the real potential of the Kaiser.
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Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap ).
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Indeed.
I just commented last night on another thread that there was a lack of interest in this thread - looks I am being proved wrong. That works out to about £84, using XE.com to convert USD to GBP. I will lay down £30, which gives about £114 so far.
I fully agree that people need to know I am not just trying to get a free TyTN2! I can post a photo of mine to prove I already have one. Or I am more than happy for a mod/Chainfire to get involved/ be a front person/ takeover...whatever works. I just want to pursue all available options rather than relying on HTC choosing/being forced to help us out.
I did not suggest linking it to the Class Action website as I thought it might be better to keep the two separate. Not sure how it works legally if we get someone to develop software without HTC's involvement. Perhaps if something comes of it, then we can link it - otherwise stay under the radar?
EDIT: Besides, it is thanks to this site that my TyTN2 is running as well as it does - I don't want to get barred from here for scamming members! Where will I get all my cab, ROMs and general software goodies?!
How about this: Put up the paypal account so we can start filling it up. If we can get $7000 pledged, people will probably happily instantly pay anything between 1 and 10 EUR if it increases the chances of us getting decent drivers. 350 people donating 1 EUR shouldn't be to hard to achieve, right?
Even if nothing came out of it, I wouldn't mourn over my euro
Im not dissing this idea, just telling another way to think about this:
The bounty is so big now, that i would think anyone who thinks she or he could possibly pull this off, could buy the Kaiser with their own money.
Anyway if there is no success, selling the Kaiser would bring most of the money back to he or her...
I am certainly not saying that I am going to try and solve this - just trying to facilitate things!
Just thought it would be less of a loss, if things don't work out, if lots of people donate small amounts of money, rather than one person shelling out £300 (although I'm not sure we'd actually get 350 people donating even just 1 Euro).
Also, with someone (very busy) having offered to help us out with this, it seems rude to say "Yes please, but buy your own device to work on". Know what I'm saying?
No-one has to donate to this at all - if there aren't enough people interested, then the idea stops here. However, I am working on setting up a reliable method of collecting the money, so people can be happy it's genuine.
Also, bear in mind this is not likely to be a quick fix, especially as Cmonex is also working on other things (and has a life!). This being the case, if it didn't work, I don't think the TyTN2 would be worth as much at that point, so I doubt the initial outlay would be recovered - hence the thinking that multiple small donations would be better.
Yes, I understand thet buying the phone isnt that big of a deal compared to the problem, but there is also that 7000USD bounty. Thats not small change if someone is able to do it solo.
I would imagine if someone thinks that he or she is able to do this, investing few hundred on a phone what you can sell after, wouldnt be the obstacle in it.
If people want to buy the phone its ok, but I dont know if it really would be necessary...
people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nook-Color-Froy...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb4ab56db#ht_1040wt_1139
Overpriced? What would be the appropriate price?
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Overpriced? What would be the appropriate price?
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Actually assuming it's not the author of the software selling it, no price is appropriate. It's blatant copyright infringement and should be pulled from ebay.
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Of course in the real world things are never totally clear cut. If I was representing the eBay seller I'd argue some sort of implied copyright license. OTOH I think it's a relatively weak case as the implied license is most likely for users of this board. I'd really strongly suggest that authors here put a notice in their code/posts stating what they want to allow (i.e. personal use only/do not distribute, etc.)
Disclaimer: I am a lawyer. I am not YOUR lawyer. This is not legal advice and just discussion.
It is sad, it truly is, but if people can't be bothered to read a little bit, and they have the money, let them buy whatever they want. (I have a feeling that had way too many commas but whatevs lol)
I would much rather them go that safe route than have their device bricked I guess :/
Even though its hard to brick your device from an SD card (and by that I mean impossible)
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people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
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this guy should be spammed. it ruins the point of open source. sure, your paying for a sevice but....what happens after they get the nook and OTA's happen. What happens when something goes wrong or they want to update. How about mentioning that it voids the warranty. Unsuspecting people will have no idea what to do when a problem arises.
imagine giving a rooted nook color to your mother and telling her she is on her own from here out. its just wrong.
not to mention the $18 dollar shipping charge...that's crazy
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yerand said:
people are selling overpriced autonooter and nookie froyo sd cards on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOOK-Color-Barn...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb461d149#ht_2471wt_1139
this guy should be spammed. it ruins the point of open source. sure, your paying for a sevice but....what happens after they get the nook and OTA's happen. What happens when something goes wrong or they want to update. How about mentioning that it voids the warranty. Unsuspecting people will have no idea what to do when a problem arises.
imagine giving a rooted nook color to your mother and telling her she is on her own from here out. its just wrong.
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I wrote to the sellers and reported them as well. That being said, if they can confirm that they are the true creators of these "services" I would certainly feel a bit like an ass. However, that being said, I don't think they were.
The whole point of open source and free creating is just that, open and free.
If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of rooting a device, they should stick with leaving it in stock form.
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If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of rooting a device, they should stick with leaving it in stock form.
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If someone "does not have the wits" to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care or simply don't have time to learn how to do?
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If someone does not have the wits to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care to learn how to do?
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Two totally different beasts. You could apply your "logic" to just about everything in life.
They will not have the technical know-how of keeping up with the released updates, or know how to fix anything if something goes wrong.
Not to mention the fact that they are offering, at a ridiculous price no less, to simply apply software, that they likely didn't even create, to someone's hardware.
You don't find anything wrong with this at all?
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Two totally different beasts. You could apply your "logic" to just about everything in life.
They will not have the technical know-how of keeping up with the released updates, or know how to fix anything if something goes wrong.
Not to mention the fact that they are offering, at a ridiculous price no less, to simply apply software, that they likely didn't even create, to someone's hardware.
You don't find anything wrong with this at all?
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It's certainly distasteful, but I think you'll have a hard time proving they're doing anything improper.
Who are we to decide what price somebody should put on what they are selling? In case you are unfamiliar with market economics, the seller is free to set any price he chooses, just as the buyers are free to decide if they are willing or not to pay it. Nobody is forced to buy if they feel the price is to high.
It's not substantially different from the cases I mentioned, either. In all of them, circumstances can and will arise where the customer will be unable to cope without further support. It's the customer's responsibility to ensure that support will be available. If it won't be, they are pretty foolish if they don't either shop elsewhere or learn to manage on their own.
And yes, we can and do apply this logic to everything in life.
What i meant by overpriced was that if he were to sell them for twenty or even thirty dollars (depending on the capacity of the card). He would be doing a service, providing people with no tech know-how an easy way to root. But at those prices, they are just taking advantage of people.
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What i meant by overpriced was that if he were to sell them for twenty or even thirty dollars (depending on the capacity of the card). He would be doing a service, providing people with no tech know-how an easy way to root. But at those prices, they are just taking advantage of people.
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Agreed there, but if people choose not to educate themselves, we can't do it for them. And I guarantee that there are people who feel that spending $70 to turn their $250 ereader into a $500 tablet is money well spent. /shrug
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If someone "does not have the wits" to perform the quite simple tasks of installing a car stereo, they should leave it stock? Or is it OK for them to pay somebody to upgrade it for them?
How about the simple tasks of putting an addition on their house, or preparing all the food for their wedding reception? When exactly is it acceptable to pay someone to do something you don't know or care or simply don't have time to learn how to do?
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All of the services that you mentioned would come standard with a warranty of some sort to insure that if anything goes wrong, the contractor, the caterer, or the mechanic would fix it for free, or for a small service fee.
There are no such guarantees here. For instance, the new 1.1.0 update that was pushed out this past week...what kind of insurance are they going to give the consumer that if the update breaks the root, that they won't have to pay another large fee just to have it fixed? Or that it can even BE fixed? (Which at the moment, it can't)
It's not illegal, but it's shady and unethical as hell, and they should be reported. Or the consumer should at least be aware of the consequences.
I agree with everything everyone has said in a very legally binding manner. Its prey vs hunter at this point. Who has the sharpest claws?
sent from my nootered nook color
What the sellers are doing is a little wrong but you can find people offering to root phones all over craigslist for $50+, what's the difference? I don't agree with the argument that they should provide some warranty for future updates. The service they're offering will do exactly as their listing says and doesn't promise to work in the event that a future update breaks root.
If someone pays what they're asking, and I agree it's a ridiculous price, then that's what it's worth to them. IMO, people pay too much for many things but they see value in it (i.e. famous art), whereas I don't. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy art but I would never pay $108 million, if I had billions, for a Jackson Pollock. I say, to each his own.
I think it's a matter up to the consumer. Any informed consumer would do research before making the investment, and probably determine that it's too hard / too much work for them to do themselves. If they don't take this into account, that's not the seller's fault. Just my $0.02.
Regardless, a search of eBay shows that it's catching on with more than just one person:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_tr...kw=nook+color+froyo&_sacat=See-All-Categories
I received a message back from the one sellers, and he/she was very offended and said that I have no right to say anything, and so what if it is unethical or distasteful.
He/she claims to have taken part in the help of rooting the Nook, so it is no doubt that they are quite active on these or other forums. And I am sure they are reading this, and will be able to associate my name here with the person that has messaged them. Hi.
People like you make me sick, you are no different than the creditors that call 95 year old ladies up to take every last penny they have so that you can buy the boat at the end of the year.
If you did in fact have anything to do with the rooting process, and the many hours that have been spent to root these devices, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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I think it's a matter up to the consumer. Any informed consumer would do research before making the investment, and probably determine that it's too hard / too much work for them to do themselves. If they don't take this into account, that's not the seller's fault. Just my $0.02.
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Yes, it is the sellers fault. That is like saying that the tobacco companies are in no way responsible for the millions of deaths every year from THEIR product. Now, I know this is a stretch, and an exaggeration, but it is on purpose to show my point.
It's wrong, plain and simple. Of course, that's just my 2 cents.
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Yes, it is the sellers fault. That is like saying that the tobacco companies are in no way responsible for the millions of deaths every year from THEIR product. Now, I know this is a stretch, and an exaggeration, but it is on purpose to show my point.
It's wrong, plain and simple. Of course, that's just my 2 cents.
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I disagree. You can't get addicted to buying overpriced things. There comes a point when you are physically incapable (or at least nearly so) of stopping smoking, and you NEED to go back to the companies. They made their warnings clear, but that didn't matter. If you buy an overpriced uSD card, you're not going to be physically required to buy more.
EDIT: I might add that depending on which cards you're talking about, they're more or less a scam. When I was saying it's not unreasonable, I referring to the ones in the lower range like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280623461313
I mean a good retail 4 GB uSD card can cost close to that.
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Seems like there are some that are quite passionate in seeing that this guy only gets what he has worked for.
So I suggest that they cut his market out. Sell an item that just covers listing costs and your time that shows people how to root and links them to XDA and shows them how "fish for themselves". You might end up stealing enough of his market share that he quits.
Just and idea...
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Turned out most of the folks who responded to this thread were trolls who didn't read the OP anyways, so I've deleted it. If you want to see the original message, it was quoted many, many times (bummer I didn't add any photos). Since my entire point was to try to calm nerves and direct anger away from XDA, I'm deleting my OP. As of now, I'm giving this thread to the trolls. Enjoy.
Ineffective
Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
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Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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noble effort, but i really dont think even the slew of pissed off people on here would make a dent.
plus, those other app stores suck.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a bit pissed about the whole shipping thing... but this is the first time google had ever pissed me off and I'm a long timer user.
A few days isn't going to make that big of a difference.
Except that we do get the best warranty coverage since we bought from the Play Store. Google is going to handle our warranty stuff instead of Asus, they will ship a new one out before as soon as we say something is wrong. And pay the shipping for our broken tablet to be shipped to them.
And while this might be slightly annoying, Google is and awesome company that I use every single day.
If you want to really protest do the following:
Step 1: Switch to HotMail.
Step 2: Change your Search Engine to Bing or Yahoo.
Step 3: Sell your Android Smart Phone and Tablet to buy an iPhone, have a ton of fun loading your awesome custom Rom's onto it.
agreed, while i am mad stores have them first, let's all take a deep breathe and relax here. I got my shipping emal saturday morning so i will have my device on Tuesday, i am happy and it and looking forward to my tasty treat!
What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s
I've decided to be positive and think that it's a blessing in disguise...perhaps the early adopters will sort out issues for us so that we don't have to....
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The delay isn't what bothers me. What has annoyed me is their handling of cancelling the order. It hadn't even been shipped and they were refusing to give a refund or stop the shipment. Ridiculous.
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The most effective protests are the ones that require minimal effort. Occupy would have been effective if everyone who agreed with the ideology could afford to spend a few weeks camping in a park. The Tea Party would have been effective if everyone who agreed could afford... um... high school? You get my point.
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That Tea Party line made me completely lol! Hilarious.
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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Might I suggest a less condescending attitude. There is nothing in my message that indicates that I didn't read your initial post.
Morning! Still aint got ****. I preordered 7/2. Got charged on 7/13 though.
I think those "kids", yes i said it, have never dealt with a mass distribution like this on a grand scale. They're geeks, what do they really know about the production line. All it would've took for those geniuses to make a ****ing priority list and ship preorders first, then ship to retailers, instead of giving them stock and say, "hey, don't sell it yet". How hard is that?
Its simple yet so hard for one person to realize that over there? Im with the OP. Where's the loyalty???
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I SO AGREE with what your saying in op post. except we here on xda is a minority compared to all the android tablet users . There are not really enough of us to make a stand with the whole no buy from market thing. Nor do i think its fair. Google is really setup to sell or distribute hardware.Asus has been a mess for the past years and getting worse. I have a asus netbook that has a issue with the camera. The repair facility is 4 miles from my house. I had to mail the thing to them using UPS. THEN WAIT for them to repair it mail it to there shipping facility in chicago. 5 hours away and then ship it to me.. TRUE STORY.
SO with that all said this is a Android tablet (Kinda a TOY) .we will all get thru this launch shipping mess .We will be happy before you know it.. Lets just hope that asus has not messed up the build quality we would expect from google.
Good luck alll
You must live on youtube... look around ...
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What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
... there are plenty of people who pre-ordered, and haven't heard "squat" about shipping or order completion.
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I don't think it's fair to punish a mistake, as long as they acknowledge the mistake and apologize. I don't really believe in revenge. Google has been good as a company and doesn't warrant punishment in the form of boycotting the apps from their store in my opinion. It sucks though and really Hope that they straighten this out with an apology of some sort. Regardless, i don't think I'd preorder from Google again unless i have confidence that they'll learn from this fiasco.
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Refuse shipment. Buy from someone who isn't Google or wait for the next hot thing. With all the screen issues and other QA issues, it's just waiting to receive your broken tablet and mail it back to them anyway. Refuse delivery, ship it back on their dime and buy it from a store where you can check the unit before you leave. Screw Google, screw their poor customer service and screw their Play Store.
I was tempted to cancel before but if you really wanted to stop your google from processing, refusing shipment, restocking fee, you can simply freeze ur cc or req a new card and new #. Why is that so difficult? U can also tell ur cc company its fraud, and they won't allow it to go through. BofA called me and I approved the charge.
Do it! Wake up
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Also to be fair, it's not entirely Google's fault. If everyone did a told, this wouldn't have happened. There are more than one factor than Google messed up. And I'm not going to say "screw Google"when they brought us Android!
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I was talking to one of my buddies here at work who is also an Android Freak like myself and we were discussing about how Google and LG can sell such a device packing what it does for $299 or $349.
It's seems like it has really beautiful build quality also, while Samsung sells a plastic dual core S3 with half the RAM, lower resolution screen for double the price!
Don't get me wrong, I am both happy and sad that the phone is so damn cheap. Glad because it is so dirt cheap that I can buy it as a backup phone to my Note 2 and just not worry about it falling and breaking or whatever. Replacing just the LCD on my Note 2 would probably pay for the whole Nexus 4!
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
I know this post seems a bit ridiculous, but that's something that is bugging me a little about the device. What do you guys think? A little something inside kinda wish Google priced this device similar to the Galaxy Nexus. I think it would have been more special to me. Am I crazy?
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Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks.
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Just because people are excited, you're assuming they're 13? Right...
... and imo, the price does not make it any less exclusive.
You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
In any case, mainstream smartphones, like all technology, will always be getting less exclusive. If exclusivity is of import, the Tag Heuer Android phones look quite sharp, but probably will be behind on the OS curve...
Setting aside the ridiculousness of caring about exclusivity, your work colleagues likely got sticker-shock because they don't know much about the cellphone market. I'm sure they don't think of the iPhone as an "exclusive" device, and yet it's in the same range as the Note 2 off-contract. The Nexus 4 may not be a monetarily exclusive device, but it's still going to have limited sales due to the number of people who are informed enough about their options to pick one up.
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You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
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Front-to-front. The back's the best-looking part, after all; and the part that displays the ever-important logos.
You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
You say less exclusive... I say more support.
How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
No, it makes it lighter on my wallet. I don't care how many other people have it as long as I do.
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To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't agree.
[13 yr old comment]If you want to feel special, maybe get it from the TMo store or import it. [/13 yr old comment]
The price is being subsidized. Just making it easier to reach more people. This way el goog can make even more money with mobile ad revenue.
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You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
If having exclusivity means paying $1000 dollars, I'll take a less exclusive phone any day for $350
You think $500+ phones are exclusive? You'll find more Note 2s and iPhones than N4.
That said, the more the N4s out there, the more accessories there will be for it. And thats always a good thing.
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How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
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This. I only know one girl outside of XDA that even knows what the Nexus line is.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
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Perhaps. Google may keep production low for the first wave after watching previous launches. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the popularity of this phone due to the lack of LTE, expandable storage, and maybe inadequate battery. Those of us looking to buy the phone can only hope that it is either not that popular or that Google didn't lower production.
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When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
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You know what I got from reading this? That you need to feel special/better than your friends. That's no reason to jack up the price of a phone.
Tell you what, I'll buy mine, then sell it to you for $859.99, that'll really blow your colleagues out of the water! Or how about avoiding the faux pas of bragging about how much money you spent on a cell phone. Hell, if anything I'll be showing my friends this phone and telling them how cheap it was. Look at this thing, it's awesome, and cost half the price of your NoteII!
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Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't see anything wrong of a 13 year old can save up and purchase this device, it allows a younger audience to own a modern smartphone without the hefty price tag. Exclusivity to one type of group (in this case being age) isn't somthing company's want for their products, and if they lure in the younger users with the low price tag, that means more marketshare for them. The nexus 4 isn't a fashion item like more popular phones such as the iPhone, or even the galaxy s3, it's made for contract free or value plan customers who want a fast phone for a reasonable price.
Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
Who cares? Does it matter if the phone is not as "exclusive" as you would like?
It's an amazing phone at a great price, it will further push the Android ecosystem.
If you want exclusive, stick with foreign imports of obscure devices.
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Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
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I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
bfspider said:
I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
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XD I just did few minutes ago.
https://9to5google.com/2018/02/12/huawei-mate-10-fake-best-buy-reviews/amp/
This may not go well for support of this phone :/.
FAKE NEWS! lol seriously though the font on those screenshots!
Does it really matter though?
Those who are interested in the phone will do their own research and make a decision..those who don't like Huawei in general will find enough reasons not to buy it, no matter how competitive the phone.
Every company has it's quirks, be it Apple, Google or Huawei. It's up to consumers to do some digging and figure out what makes the most sense for them...because at the end of the day, it's their money and they have to learn to get the most value for it.
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Does it really matter though?
Those who are interested in the phone will do their own research and make a decision..those who don't like Huawei in general will find enough reasons not to buy it, no matter how competitive the phone.
Every company has it's quirks, be it Apple, Google or Huawei. It's up to consumers to do some digging and figure out what makes the most sense for them...because at the end of the day, it's their money and they have to learn to get the most value for it.
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I hear ya on that however it's really shady. Let the phone speak for itself, not paid for fake reviews. That almost screams "I have no faith in my product."
Velrix said:
I hear ya on that however it's really shady. Let the phone speak for itself, not paid for fake reviews. That almost screams "I have no faith in my product."
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Agreed...I have the standard Mare 10 and it was the only phone in the last 2-3 years that got me to finally move on from tge Nexus 6.
Honestly, at this point, they might be just desperate to get the word out after the debacle with AT&T and Verizon.