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Kaiser: bluetooth stack problem!

aladin2000 said:
Hi,
do you tried also a buttom to call with voice command application or a phone call ?
I've a HTC S100 and the sound is well but it's very difficult to start a voice commande or to recall last call because seem that the function "hand free" sometime is lose.
Sorry for my poor English !
Regards
aladino
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I have the same problem with my handsfree headsets an Tytn II (kaiser):
i have a motorola H700 and a Scalarider headset for helmets.
They are bot NON-ADP and thyey support handsfree.
Sometimes the button on them stop working and I can't do voice dialing with Voice command neither repeat last call.
They appear as connected and If I manually call a number they work.
To get the button works again I have to restart the phone.
Maybe a fault in the microsoft bluetooth stack?
Also: my Motorola H700 has a flip and when you open it the headset turn on and get connected.
You should be able to answer phone calls by opening the flip.
Sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesn't connect if I open it while the phone is ringing and in that case I have to restart bluetooth connection to make it work again.
Microsoft or HTC should check end improve bluetooth stack!
Any hack around?
Can't we put the broadcom instead of microsoft stack on kaiser?

I wrote to HTC Support about this problem and they answered :
"Customer email address:XXXXXXXXXX
Good Afternoon,
The multi function button is the one small button with the led light in, not the big play/pause button.
If you try the other button, it should work.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Best regards,
XXXXX
HTC Europe
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com "
That's incredible don't you ?
They beleive I'm idiot ?
Regards
aladino

Astonished!
Amazing answer!
Are they idiot?
I'll write them too,
I hope someone cleverer will read the my mail
and suggest the bug to the technical stuff.

I have a motorola H350 and have been experiencing the same problems. It's driving me mad. The problem makes the use of the hands free totally useless as it seems to stop working at the drop of a hat.
What I've found so far.
To get it working you need to turn on the ear piece.
Then turn on the bluetooth on the phone.
If you do this any other way it doesn't work. Once it's working you may or may not be able to hang up with the button. If that's the case it won't answer with the button either.
Once it's working it seems to work ok till either the headset or the phone's bluetooth is turned off.
Voice dial will not fire up until the main procedure if followed and sometimes it takes several tries.
I was wondering if this was something to do with the motorola but seemingly it's to do with the stack so getting another device isn't going to help I guess.
The bluetooth worked perfectly on the Hermes but immediately I got the Kaiser one thing alerted me to the fact that something was different.
With the Hermes, as soon as I turned on the bluetooth and the earpiece the phone would alert me to the fact that the motorola wanted to connect.
With the Kaiser nothing, even when I searched for a device. I had to find out how to put the earpiece into search mode before it would find it.
Very flakey and very disappointing. I hope someone finds a fix for this.
Anyone else experiencing these problems?

I've got an H700 and Jawbone. I do notice more crackle type sounds and lower volume on both using Kaiser compared to my 8525. The H700 connects within 1-2 seconds when opening it's flip and I have noticed that on occasion, if I walk away from the phone (eg. phone on desk) the headset may not reconnect when I return. The Jawbone has been fairly good at connecting and staying functional at all times but the volume is lower as noted by many people.
I would say that the stack overall is better than the 8525's for all the devices I've tried (3 headsets, 2 Laptops, 1 Garmin Streetpilot with BT Phone interface)

I am also losing the Voice speed dial & redial button from time to time. It also worked that way with my hermes, so I kinda get used to it...
I am now wondering if it is related to my BT earpiece (nokia bh-200 or something like this) of if it is the BT stack which has never been really working on all the device I could test (hermes, trinity, kaiser).
I allmost never had issue recieving call (I don't recieve much call while using the BT earpiece) but it is sometime impossible to initiate a call through the BT earpiece.
The simplest way for me to lose the voice recognition is to:
-Start BT on the phone
-Start BT earpiece
Phone recognize the earpiece, everything is fine
-Restart the phone
Phone & BT reconnect, but voice recognition & redial are gone
I would really appreciate of some of you could test my little procedure and report if it works of not. If it is working for some other BT earpiece I may change mine and get rid of this eternal annoying issue.
Thanks

Jabra BT500
I have the Jabra BT500 and same problem with the TyTn II.
The earpiece can't initiate a voice call...
Looks like HTC (or Windows), starts to deliver ROMs like Mr. Bill Gates does with his M$ crap...
If someone find a solution for this Bluetooth problem, please post it!!!!
Thanks a lot,

Kaiser and Moto H700 just do not work together
I also have a problem with the Kaiser and a Moto H700. The M700 button stops working randomly, the BT connection sometimes disconnect during the call at will.
I can still use H700 successfully with my old Nokia 6680, so the problem clearly is in the Kaisers BT stack.
I’ve made the BT update that HTC posted just recently for TyTN II, but it had no effect.
Fortunately, I have my old Moto H500. This one is working OK with the Kaiser, but. Like it was pointed here before me, the only way to get it working you need to turn on the ear piece. Then turn on the Bluetooth on the phone.
In case if the Bluetooth connection was disrupted for some reason, the only way to make it work is again swath Kaiser BT off then turn on the ear piece and switch on the TyTNs BT.
The Kaiser’s BT stack is not good also connecting with a PC, the connection is just not stable.

Just wanted to chime in and say I've had the exact same problems with my Tilt and Motorola H700 as various people have described here. I posted about it on the AT&T forum too, and no one there has any working solution either, AFAIK. I too tried the "fix" from HTC, and to no avail.
This is a pretty big disappointment for me; I love my Tilt, but Bluetooth is not new technology, and it's really inconvenient that it works so poorly on this phone.

Motorola headsets seem to have a problem with this device. I had trouble getting my H500 to connect and the voice button to work. Once I reset the phone when the headset was on and it wouldn't connect. I tried deleting and re-pairing. It took another reset to get it back. Fortunately I don't use that headset anymore.

jameselee said:
Just wanted to chime in and say I've had the exact same problems with my Tilt and Motorola H700 as various people have described here. I posted about it on the AT&T forum too, and no one there has any working solution either, AFAIK. I too tried the "fix" from HTC, and to no avail.
This is a pretty big disappointment for me; I love my Tilt, but Bluetooth is not new technology, and it's really inconvenient that it works so poorly on this phone.
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The same problem.
But this time with the Sony Ericsson BT HBH - DS980.
I also put the "fix" from HTC, I gave them back and they change them with another brand new Sony Ericsson BT HBH - DS980, but the problem exists.

costas2by4AIO said:
The same problem.
But this time with the Sony Ericsson BT HBH - DS980.
I also put the "fix" from HTC, I gave them back and they change them with another brand new Sony Ericsson BT HBH - DS980, but the problem exists.
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I just bought the same headset... cant get it work with the TyTN II - Kaiser but pairs without any problem with my TyTN I - Hermes... clearly it is the BT Stack
Way beyond my abilities, but cant the BT stack on Hermes be cooked into a rom for the Kaiser ?

I have a Motorola HT820 and a Motorola S9 both devices are working flawless with the kaiser.
Now i own a motorola S705 too , with this device my kaiser suddenly turn the bluetooth off (
regards

Bluetooth Issues with 2.25

Anyone have this problem:
I was running unbranded 2.23 went to 2.25 via the palm updater (changed payloads file) Update went all the way. I tried to pair my jawbone bluetooth, and they pair just fine but when I make a call the earpiece wont auto kick in i have to manually hit menu and connect to headset in the treo 750. I hook up to myy BB8800 and the earpiece works perfect but since I went to 2.25 i have this issue now. Running 2.23 all was well it would auto enable once i picked up the call and end the call when I pushed the specific button.
Anyone got any ideas?

Works fine for me and my cheapo Jabra BT125. Can you confirm that BT is actually on prior to the call coming in and that the Jawbone is on prior to the call coming in (not familiar with Jawbone and any standby features it may have).

yeah i ended up doing a hard reset that seemed to kick BT in the butt and it s working fine now.

I'm having a different problem.
With WM5, BT voice command worked just fine. Now it doesn't work at all.
I used to just hold the button on my Plantronics earpiece, wait for one high beep and one low boop, let go, and the headset would connect, and I'd hear the familiar ba-dup! from voicecommand, and could issue any VC command.
I do the same thing now, and... nothing.
Any ideas anyone?
EDIT: Never mind... it mysteriously started working

More BT + Voice Command issues

OK, I've read a bunch of these threads but I'd Like to get everyone who is knowlegeable about this together because I though I was doing everything right.
First off I am using Dutty's newest ROM that is supposed to have all the voice command mods "out of the box"
Second I have a sony ericsson HBH-DS980, shameless promo I know but, this is an awsome headset I love it and would recommend it to anyone (all I need is this problem fixed)
OK, for the most part everything was working fine at first. I paired everything and started using voice command with all my music, and random system info (battery level, date and time etc....) but then I wanted to start calling people from it and it seemed to work just fine. I'd say who I wanted to call it would ask for confermation then it would start to dial...then the wierd steps in. my headset then looses stereo connection (usually I would have it in stereo mode) so I'm looking at the handset (it takes a couple seconds to "catch up") and it says everything is fine untill the call gets picked up then it drops the ericsson completely it no longer has it as a stereo bt or even a hands-free mic. And to top things off the call just stops so I can't fix anything.
Another thing I've noticed is after something like this or even looking up a contact via voice for some reason wm and my bt don't like to "play nice" I constantly get disconnects and after a while Voice command stops hearing me through my mic (I know it's not the mic since if I reboot and repeat it works just fine) but it will work if I use it from the handset.
I don't reeally know what's going on but I do run S2U2 very often and I was just on another thread that was saying his problem was S2U2 and I want to know if anyone else has found that was the issue. Hell I'd just be happy to know I'm not alone. If anyone would like to offer help that would be great too.

OK, here is version 2 of the explination:
OK I paired my BT (I did this twice as a stereo bt and a regular handsfree) and made a call via voice command (it hears me fine and dials) after a couple seconds my BT gives the disconnect sound. After that the call ends. Not only that but my phone bars go to 0 for a split second and I get a message saying that my phone couldn't connect to my wireless internet. (most likely due to the "0 bar" issue)
After this whole thing I attempt to call (or do anything) via Voice command and it won't understand a word I say through the mic. Even rebooting doesn't solve this issue. I have to remove the bt from my list and re-pair it.
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it looks like when VC errors it takes my entire phone with it. Has anyone else had this issue. and BTW it doesn't seem to be related to S2U2 like I though in my last post since it was disabled

Are you talking about MS Voice Command or Cyberon Voice dialer??

Can you try with another BT? Just to verify that's not the bluetooth issue.
I have a similar issue with my Jawbone BT and the problem is with my BT . I have a logitech BT and it doesn't give me any problem.

Are u using s2u2 v0.99 or v1.0?
If you want (BT handfree + s2u2 + voice commander) all three together, you may need to give up the new version and install back the v0.98.
It works for me on my Elf powered by Cloudyfa's shadoW 2.1 TE
Hope it helps.
Cheers
xcom923 said:
OK, I've read a bunch of these threads but I'd Like to get everyone who is knowlegeable about this together because I though I was doing everything right.
First off I am using Dutty's newest ROM that is supposed to have all the voice command mods "out of the box"
Second I have a sony ericsson HBH-DS980, shameless promo I know but, this is an awsome headset I love it and would recommend it to anyone (all I need is this problem fixed)
OK, for the most part everything was working fine at first. I paired everything and started using voice command with all my music, and random system info (battery level, date and time etc....) but then I wanted to start calling people from it and it seemed to work just fine. I'd say who I wanted to call it would ask for confermation then it would start to dial...then the wierd steps in. my headset then looses stereo connection (usually I would have it in stereo mode) so I'm looking at the handset (it takes a couple seconds to "catch up") and it says everything is fine untill the call gets picked up then it drops the ericsson completely it no longer has it as a stereo bt or even a hands-free mic. And to top things off the call just stops so I can't fix anything.
Another thing I've noticed is after something like this or even looking up a contact via voice for some reason wm and my bt don't like to "play nice" I constantly get disconnects and after a while Voice command stops hearing me through my mic (I know it's not the mic since if I reboot and repeat it works just fine) but it will work if I use it from the handset.
I don't reeally know what's going on but I do run S2U2 very often and I was just on another thread that was saying his problem was S2U2 and I want to know if anyone else has found that was the issue. Hell I'd just be happy to know I'm not alone. If anyone would like to offer help that would be great too.
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ringtones only coming into bluetooth headset, how do i stop this?

I have a Tilt and am currently using the latest Hyperdragon III rom, but this has happened with several of the most recent roms.
it used to be that whenever i got an incoming call i would have both ms voice command announce the call through my bluetooth head set, while the phone would vibrate and play the ringtone through its normal speaker.
now, for some reason, in this latest batch of roms, i'm getting both the msvc announcement and the ringtone through my headset and the phone only vibrates. if i turn the headset off,then the phone rings like normal.
this gets to be a problem when i have the headset in my pocket, i start to miss calls!
has anyone else had this problem?
edit: also, something that's bugged me forever, the T key seems to always miss presses. i have to really jam on it to get it to register. if i'm not thinking about it, i'll send out texts and emails with no Ts in them at all! is there a software fix to this or is it a hardware issue?

norelidd said:
also, something that's bugged me forever, the T key seems to always miss presses. i have to really jam on it to get it to register. if i'm not thinking about it, i'll send out texts and emails with no Ts in them at all! is there a software fix to this or is it a hardware issue?
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Hardware. As to BT, I've always had that behavior (all sounds in headset), so don't have much to say, seemed normal to me.

I had that same problem, but I used the MSVCtoggle.cab and it switches it from headset to phone and vice versa.

I believe you need to go to "Voice Command" under settings > system, then select "Notifications"
There are settings that allow changes in how notifications are handled via your speaker and/or your BT.
Hope this helps.

The problem isn't the calls being announced via bluetooth, it's the fact that the phone now only rings into the bluetooth headset.
in previous roms, it used to be that when a call would come in, my phone speaker would ring and i would also receive the MSVC announcement via the bluetooth headset
now, in newer roms, the phone speaker does not ring, and i got both the ringtone and the msvc announcement via the bluetooth headset.
i don't want msvc to announce the calls via the phone's speaker
same thing happens with messages and the announce new messages feature. I get the sms read to me in my bluetooth headset, but the new sms tone also plays through the headset.
edit: if i turn off call announcements, then the phone rings through the regular speaker. i get no call announcements, but hearing the ringtone is much better! i'm using msvc 19965

same problem, please help , it is geting to be verry annoying (((
thank you
p.s. using tilt, original rom, voice comman 1.6.19214

very annoying voice comman problem
same problem, please help , it is geting to be verry annoying (((. if i take check mark out from phone checkbox, under setings voice command then it rings at a phone, but i cant use voice command to dile phone numbers. i say call "name " it finds it but doesn't ask < call "name" > , so it defits the porpose of voise comand.
thank you
p.s. using tilt, original rom, voice comman 1.6.19214

Anyone get bluetooth voice dialling in froyo?

I've tried and tried with my parrot car kit, but nothing seems to active the phone (either the button, or the keywords), has anyone had any luck?

andrewpmoore said:
I've tried and tried with my parrot car kit, but nothing seems to active the phone (either the button, or the keywords), has anyone had any luck?
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Works great with jawbone icon.

andrewpmoore said:
I've tried and tried with my parrot car kit, but nothing seems to active the phone (either the button, or the keywords), has anyone had any luck?
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works great with my pioneer carkit, connectivity is a lot better to, bluetooth used to strugle to pair with my carkit, now it connects right away.

johoja said:
works great with my pioneer carkit, connectivity is a lot better to, bluetooth used to strugle to pair with my carkit, now it connects right away.
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Typical, I really wanted this. I still get the same pairing problems (paired but not connected). Then after repeating the same process up to about 10 times is pairs and connects. From then on it's fine for receiving calls. But initiating them just isn't working for me.
So on the kits that work, how does it work, does it use the voice search (ie the one requiring a data connection) or the old style voice dialler?
Does it give you any confirmation before calling, just in case it's picked up the wrong person?

Works okay for me with a no-name bluetooth headset. I press the "attention/answer" button on the headset, the screen pops over to the voice dialing screen with some instructions, and the headset says "Speak now." I say, "Call John Smith". The headset says "Calling John Smith" and the dialer pops up and dials. It does not ask for confirmation, unfortunately (Voice Commander under Windows Mobile says, "Calling John Smith?" and you have to respond "Yes" or "No"); I guess they assume you can hit the "end" button and try again if it got it wrong. (I haven't used it much, but it's two-for-two getting the callee right on the test calls I've made.) I didn't check whether it needed a data connection or not; sorry.

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Typical, I really wanted this. I still get the same pairing problems (paired but not connected). Then after repeating the same process up to about 10 times is pairs and connects. From then on it's fine for receiving calls. But initiating them just isn't working for me.
So on the kits that work, how does it work, does it use the voice search (ie the one requiring a data connection) or the old style voice dialler?
Does it give you any confirmation before calling, just in case it's picked up the wrong person?
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For my car kit it does ask for confirmation. I guess it depends, which car kit do you have that your having contectivity problems? Foryo is much improved for me in that regard.

I've tried and tried with my parrot car kit, but nothing seems to active the phone (either the button, or the keywords), has anyone had any luck?
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Works awful on my icon. Does not recognize any of the names I say.

johoja said:
For my car kit it does ask for confirmation. I guess it depends, which car kit do you have that your having contectivity problems? Foryo is much improved for me in that regard.
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I've got a Parrot CK3000 EVO. Worked fine in windows mobile, but in eclair and froyo I do get it to pair and connect after lots of attempts, just can't get the voice dialling working.
I've ordered an updating kit for the bluetooth set in the hopes that a newer firmware for it may help. I'll update this once I've got it.

andrewpmoore said:
I've got a Parrot CK3000 EVO. Worked fine in windows mobile, but in eclair and froyo I do get it to pair and connect after lots of attempts, just can't get the voice dialling working.
I've ordered an updating kit for the bluetooth set in the hopes that a newer firmware for it may help. I'll update this once I've got it.
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I also have a parrot evo 3k and I'm interested to hear what you find out.
Is there a consolidated thread with compatibility or test results anywhere?
I have CM 6.0 RC1 running on my G1
My Plantronics 340 seemed to work great for voice dialing, but my car kit and other BT pieces don't.
I did get think outside BT keyboard and BT mouse working

I am running CM 6 RC1 on a Dream, with a Motorola H700 headset.
I got them to pair up without any problem, and it seems to be working without a data plan or wifi connection.
However, I noticed a couple of issues:
1) The "speak now" prompt is extremely quiet, even with volume levels maxed out on both the phone and the headset
2) It only works if the screen is "awake", meaning I still need to hit MENU on the phone in order for my command to be acknowleged (not very hands-free, is it? hopefully this is a bug in Froyo that will be soon repaired!). This is a bad thing for me, 'cuz here in Quebec, you can get a ticket for inappropriate touching of a cellphone while driving.
3) If it thinks it has the right phone number, it says "calling {whoever}", and then proceeds to dial without further warning, which is dangerous since when it speaks the "calling" notification, that too is very low volume
Is this just my configuration? Perhaps a limitation of the Dream hardware? Perhaps (this is me dreaming in technicolor) a simple software setting that needs changing?