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Read something interesting lastnight

I read on this other forum http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-p4450-kaiser/89014-htc-p4450-release-rumor-thread-4.html in this thread they say that it will be released in like November. They say that the person mention this did not say who his source was it still worried me cuz that is the month the 8525 was released. Additionally they mention the 8925 will not have the front facing camera nor will it have built in GPS!!!
I personally will probably boycott AT&T if this is true or at least petition this BS. I mean seriously I love my 8525 but I am getting sick and tired of at&t stripping features out of the damn devices. I am wondering if any of these claims have any value or are they just more incoherent gibberish from the internet.
Any thoughts?

I would entirely believe they could strip out those features. The front facing camera is useless in the usa as we have no infrastructure to use it. The GPS now, that's the sticky subject. Yes, they could release it and have one of the first devices ever in the usa to support built in standalone gps... But they have a service they sell at $10 or $15 a month to do the same thing. Releasing this phone would take away "revenue" as far as their bean counters will be concerned. It doesn't matter how many of those people would or would not pay for it, it's just a matter of potential revenue to them.
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!

No GPS?
I don't care if they leave out the front camera. But if AT&T is dumb enough to disable the GPS, I'm buying an unlocked Kaiser, period. I hate it when companies cripple perfectly good technology. It's not even like they would be getting revenue from GPS if they crippled it - they'd just be preventing us from using free GPS.....

Shadowmite said:
I would entirely believe they could strip out those features. The front facing camera is useless in the usa as we have no infrastructure to use it. The GPS now, that's the sticky subject. Yes, they could release it and have one of the first devices ever in the usa to support built in standalone gps... But they have a service they sell at $10 or $15 a month to do the same thing. Releasing this phone would take away "revenue" as far as their bean counters will be concerned. It doesn't matter how many of those people would or would not pay for it, it's just a matter of potential revenue to them.
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!
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In regard to the lack of support for the front facing camera I thought they were planning on do the whole video share thing? I even found the option for video share on the wm6 beta I put on my girlfriends blackjack. In regard to the bean counters and potential loss of revenue? As far as I know the gps module does not determine who one will use for navigation. I currently have a gps chip through at&t however the same one is available elsewhere. Furthermore, telenav is offered to other carriers as well. The only way I can see this taking money away from them is it came with not only the chip but the software (maps) as well. If it does not come with maps I will still most likely stay with telenav through at&t.

What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be![/QUOTE]
Yeah, heres the other thing. I am aware I can get the kaiser and use my at&t sim but I doubt I could find the kaiser for $100 or so. I have a contact I send almost 30 customers a year to so I get the supreme hook up. My beef is with AT&T, I think they need to quit being so f_cking retarded and give their loyal customers the device they demand. Unaltered!!!
I am actually surprised they didnt take away the touch screen LOL, bunch of frickin idiots, hey we should all chip in and buy them a new brain. According to my calculations it should take about a dollar to upgrade from their existing
Ill throw in the first .02

AT&T has in the works a video call service.
The iPAQ has offered GPS for a long time.
There is no reason to remove GPS from the 8925 and I seriously doubt this would happen. I COULD see them removing the front camera though.
I think Ive decided to just buy an unlocked HTC instead of getting the Cingular 8925 because this phone will more than likely be nerfed.

evolution_theory said:
AT&T has in the works a video call service.
The iPAQ has offered GPS for a long time.
There is no reason to remove GPS from the 8925 and I seriously doubt this would happen. I COULD see them removing the front camera though.
I think Ive decided to just buy an unlocked HTC instead of getting the Cingular 8925 because this phone will more than likely be nerfed.
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Note what AT&T is doing to the blackberrry 8800 series ... they have neutered the GPS so that it only works if you sign up for the $10/mo TeleNav services. I can confirm this is not a rumor, having seen some recent 8800 series 8800 series devices in the last week. There should be some way to hack around this if they do the same on the 8925, but I would predict a similar approach ... leave the radio in place, but disable without the consumer spending more $$.

ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....

Hahahahaha
hahahaha...haha...ha....ahem.
Sorry, just looked at the Telenav site to understand what this service is. You get 'unlimited routes' for $10 a month or 10 routes for just $5.99 a month!
Charging per route for a GPS device. Amazing. Why don't they just charge us for each appointment we store in our Pocket PC calendar too?
"Hmmm, I really want to find my way to that new restaurant - but I wonder how many routes I've used this month?"
Ridiculous.

shogunmark said:
ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....
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Thanks for the info ... you always seem spot on with your sources... and that configuration would make some marketing sense
Any chance your source has any greater clarity on release dates? I figure I might as well plan on November, since that would be par for the course, but if you have anything more solid, let us know.

shogunmark said:
ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....
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I can definately deal with this as I use telenav already and have found it to be reliable enough. I am wondering if your "reliable source has an idea on release date? Just curious. Thanks for your input.

weinson said:
Thanks for the info ... you always seem spot on with your sources... and that configuration would make some marketing sense
Any chance your source has any greater clarity on release dates? I figure I might as well plan on November, since that would be par for the course, but if you have anything more solid, let us know.
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release date is one thing i cant get my hands on... it seems that they always like to change their minds... look at what happened with the 8525... i myself am planning on november, i will probably crack and buy a real kaiser before then..

swtaltima said:
I read on this other forum http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-p4450-kaiser/89014-htc-p4450-release-rumor-thread-4.html in this thread they say that it will be released in like November. They say that the person mention this did not say who his source was it still worried me cuz that is the month the 8525 was released. Additionally they mention the 8925 will not have the front facing camera nor will it have built in GPS!!!
I personally will probably boycott AT&T if this is true or at least petition this BS. I mean seriously I love my 8525 but I am getting sick and tired of at&t stripping features out of the damn devices. I am wondering if any of these claims have any value or are they just more incoherent gibberish from the internet.
Any thoughts?
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This all sounds like pure speculation.

swtaltima said:
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!
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Yeah, heres the other thing. I am aware I can get the kaiser and use my at&t sim but I doubt I could find the kaiser for $100 or so. I have a contact I send almost 30 customers a year to so I get the supreme hook up. My beef is with AT&T, I think they need to quit being so f_cking retarded and give their loyal customers the device they demand. Unaltered!!!
I am actually surprised they didnt take away the touch screen LOL, bunch of frickin idiots, hey we should all chip in and buy them a new brain. According to my calculations it should take about a dollar to upgrade from their existing
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It could be worse - you could be a Verizon customer like I used to be.
AT&T has NOTHING on Verizon when it comes to phone crippling.
Disabling GPS would suck, it makes no sense other than greed.
Removing front camera may be a different story, as I recall hearing that the non-front-camera variant may have a slightly thinner form factor. Given that the phone is going to be targeted towards the business market where any camera can often be problematic, I can easily see AT&T choosing form factor over function in the case of a front-camera-or-not tradeoff if such a tradeoff situation exists.

Tilt vs iPhone

I bought an iphone about 6 days ago and had nothing but 6 days worth of trouble with the phone. I only just got it working about 8 hours ago after 6 days of phone calls to at7t and apple. Each group whether it was the att store, apple store, att 800 techs or apple 800 techs would point to the other as the source of the problem and so on. What a joke. At any rate the phone is now working and I had a massive oh shiit moment just now. The iPhone does not support VOIP which is the primary reason why I started to look for smart phones. In all my confusion between the wing, the tilt and the iphone I somehow skipped over the fact that att doesnt offer voip. T-mobile does but it costs 20 dollars a month. If I take on a data plan its another 20 dollars a month. On top of that I have to get minutes but I'm affraid that even at the cheapest/lowest minutes plan, my final bill would be around 100 dollars for my phone alone. My wifes phone (non-data no wifi) would add another 50 dollars I'm sure.
The thing is, after all the newness wore off on the iphone and finally getting it working, I'm not all that impressed with it. It keeps switching off the wifi and going to EDGE which is way slower and there doesnt appear to be an easy way to switch it back. The latest firmwares for the iphone dont allow for third party applications which means I would have to pay through the nose to get apple authorized apps. I dont like the fact that you pretty much have to have an apple computer to do anything tricky with the phone. All the cool hacking tools and ring tone downloaders are built for use on apple computers. Windows for the iphone is an afterthought. On top off all of that, I am having to break my t-mobile contract. If I break it alone its 200 dollars but then my wife ends up with a large family plan thats twice more then she needs and yet the price stays the same. Our bill will pretty much double once the iphone bill starts to come in. If she changes her plan to a lower cost, she locks in another 2 year agreement with t-mobile. If we both break the contract its 400 bones and she isnt keen on that idea and wont do it. This leaves us to lie about us getting shipped off to IRAQ and hopefully we can get out of the contract for free. If not, then I may have to stay with t-mobile and ditch the iphone out of lack of options.
If I am able to ditch my t-mobile accounts then I have a choice to make. Do I stick with the iphone or go for the TILT? The Tilt looks like its just as powerfull if not more so then the iphone. The iphone storage might be more but I can get big memory cards for it. I really like the TILTS price, good through tomorrow. 250 to 300 depending on discounts which is the same as the iphone. I know I can do t-mobiles hot spot plan but maybe I can use other VOIP software for free? The iphone doesnt support flash so I cant run google talk and instead have to run meebo which although is nice, it isnt as nice as the full version. I hate having to leave the webpage up full time to run the program.
I like the Tilts windows os. It seems more open source to me then the iphone. So what phone would you go with given the choice?

Does the tilt support google talk? Iphone doest because it doesnt have support for java or flash. Does the tilt support flash and java applications?

In general, iPhone is good for its multimedia capabilities (music and video). On the other hand, if you seek for productivities and features, then you should go to Tilt I believe.

the tilt/kaiser/p4550/tytn ii has support for flash and java yes
i'm unfamiliar with the gtalk mobile application but i don't see any reason for it not to work as it supports other voip platforms

The Tilt simply needs another application to use google talk. I use either Palringo or Fring, both of which are free, and both will work with google talk, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, etc.

cayotte said:
In general, iPhone is good for its multimedia capabilities (music and video). On the other hand, if you seek for productivities and features, then you should go to Tilt I believe.
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Me and my wife bought new phones week ago - she got an iPhone I got Tilt:
If u r looking for something that seamlessly works out of the box and has no issues at all - then Iphone is clear choice. However all of us here know that if thing works flawlessly out of the box it is no fun .... I bought Tilt because GPS mostly - so far works like charm with TOMTOM 6. Considering that cheapest GPS navigator costs mere $200 and I got tilt with my company discount for $150 choice was clear for me. On the other hand iPhone looks and feels quite "feminine" (Just look at default wallpapers)

I thought long and hard about this choice and decided to take the iPhone back. It cost me a 10 percent restocking fee but i think in the end I will be happier with the tilt. I have had to call AT&T twice now since having the phone and everyone of the agents has said something like. "oh wow, nice phone. I really want one of those." So even At&t seems to think its pretty cool. Thanks for the advice.
One of my calls by the way was to see if they would give me the unlock code so that I could use it on T-mobile. They said no problem but it would take 5 to 7 days to get it since the phone was new and they didnt have it in their records yet. At any rate, they are going to email it to me so hopefully I can have it unlocked inside a week for free.

I've had about 5 hours with this phone now and for lack of better terminology I will just simply state that I have been half erect for the entire time. This phone rocks and so kicks the iphones ass. I've been able to get google talk going so I can chat with my wife at work, I have been able to make google talk calls using voip which is totally free (if you don't count the $50 fee for fios or the $80 voice and date charges for the phone, haha) and just now I have gotten the GPS going with google maps. I didn't even know it had GPS. I'm not a poster child for google or anything but their stuff works and it's all I know about right now. I'm sure I will find more apps eventually.
The thing I want to work on now is emulators and roms. I need to get some games going on here now.
For some reason the wifi was a tool in setting up. I couldn't understand why the applications wouldn't connect using wifi after I set the wifi connection up. I ended up having to tell the phone that my wifi was a work connection and then in the connection manager tell all applications to use my work isp. It was bizarre to say the least. I'm not sure how this is going to work though when I get on the road. Am I going to have to tell the phone that all wifi connections belong to my work isp? It seems odd to me that the connections manager wouldn't simply have an option to use wifi as the primary means of connecting to the internet and if thats not available then use G3 or whatever its called.
I'm much happier with this phone then I am with the iPhone. I'm just not into audio and video enough to think its a good phone. I already have a 60 gig ipod and although its nice to have in my car, I certainly dont live and breath all things apple, not by a long shot. Cool phone this Kaiser/Tilt to say the least.

If VoIP is what you are after, then I don't see how the Tilt will make it for you. In fact, as far as I know, all VoIP applications (including Fring, Skype and the WM6 VoIP client) are only able to transmit sound through the speakerphone, rather than the earpiece. Which is totally pointless to me! Isn't this your experience?
I have found that the only decent choice for VoIP usage are Nokia smartphones (E series phones), which have a great emebedded VoIP functionality that works with any SIP-based VoIP service, or they can work with Fring, and have access to SIP, Skype, Google Talk and MSN all at the same time, and all through the earpiece. And they can keep WiFi up and running for at least two days without discharging the battery. And will connect to 3G automatically when WiFi is not available any longer, and back. I have seen no Windows Mobile device being able to do these things, and this is why I am so struggling to go back to Windows Mobile after trying Symbian (Nokia).

prodaytrader said:
Does the tilt support google talk? Iphone doest because it doesnt have support for java or flash. Does the tilt support flash and java applications?
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If you google for a program called Octrotalk, install it, voila! Googletalk! Great program and it works well with every ROM that I've flashed.

about contracts
yeah the iphone isnt that great and if you wait a 3g iphone is coming, but on another note, DO NOT say you are being deported overseas, just have your wife call and say you died. or viseversa most of the time policy will ask for proof but if you put up a fight over it and the customer service rep has a heart they will cave in. its a pretty touchy subject that most people dont wanna walk around. worked for me more than once.

Still within my 30 Days....What should I do?

Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....

redsrule2500 said:
Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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I am also in the same boat. I was expecting more from it when it came to playing movies and just overall performance. Don't know if I should return it to newegg and void the att contract. Or if it would be better to keep the contract, sell the phone on ebay, and use that money to buy a different phone.

return them
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.

Take It Back

return it...

RETURN IT
why? well the more HTC get returned etc the quicker they will pull their finger out and correct things and not allow such stupid mistakes

Just make damn sure that when you return it; you tell them WHY.
Hmm... The new 8gb Nokia N95 has just come out... Looks rather nice too...

All of you whom own a Tilt / Tytn II, T-mobile or other clone distributed by carriers should return this piece of ****ty hardware when not satisfied with the video performance.
Indeed, AT&T certainly would not have counted on such a return (and loss ) and will raise this towards HTC as loss of business.

Just return the ****ty thing and buy something that does what it's supposed to do.
And, for your own good, never buy anything coming from HTC. They're crooks, hypocrites and arrogant bastards who think that their customers are of a low enough IQ to be mocked in their face and still want to feed HTC money (this is exactly what comes out from their official response to the driver issue).

ahson said:
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
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It no iphone for me....no way. It has the same problems in limited capabilities as you have to convert everything and use itunes….no thanks!
Also, anyone have suggestions besides iphone??????

Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.

FloatingFatMan said:
Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted

redsrule2500 said:
no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!

FloatingFatMan said:
Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device

redsrule2500 said:
Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Yup. I bought my tilt last week so I still have two weeks to decide. I would return it today if i could figure out a replacement that does everything the Tilt does but better. I would personally rather have the Tilt than an Iphone even with the problems, and that nokia isn't doing it for me.

If you don't mind losing the internal GPS and the extra ram you could downgrade to the 8525 (Hermes). Nice thing is that there price has dropped considerably since the Tilt came out. For awhile there AT&T was selling them for $99...so you could probably find another site out there somewhere that would give it to you even better than this.

I'll trade someone my 8525 for their Kaiser

ha, I can't believe what im reading here! are u guys really that bitter. I honestly feel that even when (if) htc releases the fix, MOST of us will not notice a big difference in our daily use. I compare it to a bluetooth keyboard I purchased. before I bought it, I was going crazy, thinking I needed one, etc. once I got it, I don't think I've ever used it.
don't get me wrong, I would love the drivers, but other than that I love my phone. great internet, great gps, full keyboard, etc. there is honestly no other phone id rather have.

My Warranty ends tomorrow. I think im just going to keep the damn thing. Sure the video converting sucks. but, I got the Camera to work (thanks to Navadi), and I havnt watched a movie on my mobile in awhile. At least the reception is flawless. I have better reception than most of my friends and family. with the same provider, AT&T.
In my house NO ONE gets reception. and I can have a full conversation inside my house perfectly.
My brother who owns the Iphone. He has to walk outside in order to talk on his phone.
Oh and yeah the full keyboard is much better than the Iphone at Texting.
Oh and dont get me wrong I am disappointed with HTC with the way they are handling this situation. Atleast be helpful, rather than leaving us with a "F**k you, we got your money, you got what you paid for." what they did was false advertise.
The problem is, in the U.S. The phone is still better than majority of all the other phones out there. OBviously not in Europe. but here. Yeah.

I've had both the iPhone (Returned it) and now I have the TILT...i prefer the tilt.
I know the video situation sucks but I think the phone is still good overall

Frontside camera upgrade from tilt

Does anyone break and open the actual case hardware of AT&T Tilit and see the frontside camera existed. I am thinking whether any way to upgrade my Tilt to Kaiser in hardware basis.. Thanks.

Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).

I don't know about the Kaiser, but for the Hermes, there were several people that had the AT&T 8525, purchased the front camera online (as well as the Tytn case) and opened up their devices, plugged the camera in and covered with the new case which has the front camera cut out and it worked.
So, if the 8525 accepted the camera as plug and play, i'd suggest the tilt to do so aswell..
heres the full housing for the Tytn II (has front camera cut out)
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-iitilt-full-housing-p-2148.html
and i guess you'll have to wait till some site starts selling the camera

Jozer99 said:
Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).
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They used to on the "blue" side about 4 years ago. My AT&T Wireless branded Motorola A845 has a front camera and a special send key for video calling. I'm suprised that they haven't implemented it yet, considering before the ATT/Cingular merger ATT offered the service in limited markets.
-Jay

at&t does support it. It's called video share. It's expensive 1 hour of video 10 dollars a month

Video share is only one way.. not 2 ways like normal video calling.
whats funny is AT&T got the one with the forward facing camera (as well as the one without it, and the one with no cameras) approved by the FCC. I was hoping they would release the one with the forward facing camera and debut 2-way video calling... i still think they're planning on it, maybe after they're done upgrade their 3g network which its planned for end of '08

Front Camera for web cam.
Jozer99 said:
Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).
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Video Calling is OK.
But removing the camera is just a way to make us update our Tilts to a newer one with front side camera (when they want us to).
They could have leave it so we can use it as a web cam. And when they want offer the video conference calling.

udgn said:
Video Calling is OK.
But removing the camera is just a way to make us update our Tilts to a newer one with front side camera (when they want us to).
They could have leave it so we can use it as a web cam. And when they want offer the video conference calling.
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Use as a web cam is specifically prohibited in the AT&T service agreement, so they would not leave something there for you to use for that purpose.
-Jay

They wont have it anytime soon, because we don't have important enough calls here in the USA to use it. They will have it soon but not this year, maybe in 2010 when almost all people have high end phones that arent crap.

Is it me, or is the USA behind on europe in these sort of things?
I live in the netherlands, and we've had 2-way videocalling for over 2 years now. Still not everybody has such a phone, but it can be used.
I'm not sure what the costs are, but it won't be anywhere near the 10 dollars someone mentioned here.
Also the 3G network mentioned, according to wikipedia this is an advanced GPRS network?
People here are using a mixture of 3g and UMTS networks for watching TV on their mobile phones, guess that's something which isn't available in the US either?

I had a small scratch on the front of my tilt after owning it one day. I replaced the front with a unbranded one (no At&t logo). It looks better, and I noticed that the appears to have a socket for the camera. There is a foam insert in it from the factory. If anyone has found a site that sells the front camera let me know, or if someone can confirm that this works.

My question is why would you want video calling? I don't see the thrill.

wshader said:
My question is why would you want video calling? I don't see the thrill.
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I just want the front cover to have a functional camera thats all. Right now it just looks like it has one.

afliction523 said:
I just want the front cover to have a functional camera thats all. Right now it just looks like it has one.
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Also, theres software that will enable a cell phones camera fr use as a webcam ( via USB , Bluetooth, Or Wifi) tethered to a desktop. I dont think this is against the policies of the Cellular carrier because you can still use your landline for the connection . Would be nice to have it on the front of the screen in case you plan on using the phone while youre using it as a webcam . . . . . . . .

fgl87 said:
Is it me, or is the USA behind on europe in these sort of things?
I live in the netherlands, and we've had 2-way videocalling for over 2 years now. Still not everybody has such a phone, but it can be used.
I'm not sure what the costs are, but it won't be anywhere near the 10 dollars someone mentioned here.
Also the 3G network mentioned, according to wikipedia this is an advanced GPRS network?
People here are using a mixture of 3g and UMTS networks for watching TV on their mobile phones, guess that's something which isn't available in the US either?
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The US is behind many countries on many things. Quite frankly our government will probably have us behind what we consider "third world countries" in some things before we make it to 2010, heh.

If you had the chance TyTN II or Tilt...?

I was just wondering... if there is a chance for you to pick again...
and money is not a factor...
will you buy a TyTN II or a Tilt...
I bought the Tilt however it was because I didn't have the money to buy a TyTN II...
now thinking about it... I might really have spend the extra 100 to 200 for TyTN II...
not that I don't like Tilt... but I would really like to get the TyTN II because it can make video calls...
what is your opinion...? will you get TyTN II or Tilt...?

What's the exact difference between the Tilt and the TyTN II?
As for the video calls, not many people have a front-camera atm and it's also pretty expensive atm. Therefor I think the ability to make video calls isn't that important.

as far as im concerned i am really happy with the tilt. I saved money and with the amount of cabs, roms,radios, and tweaking this site has I'm never bored. And as far as I know, my tilt can do anything a tytnII, iPhone, or any other cool phone can do.

Jasperrr said:
What's the exact difference between the Tilt and the TyTN II?
As for the video calls, not many people have a front-camera atm and it's also pretty expensive atm. Therefor I think the ability to make video calls isn't that important.
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besides who else do you know with a video camera in the front of their phone? Keep what you got that little phone in teh front is not worth the money.

well i would get the TytnII cuz its the original i guess...and i rather get the original...plus i'm in BC canada..and we dont have atnt

I have never understood Video Calling on cell phones, but maybe it is my age talking.
Save the $200 and use it to go see the person and vice versa

I live in Toronto...
I got my at&t tilt over ebay...
Rogers has very cheap video thats why I really want video call...

TyTN II by far. It looks better IMO and has a great presentation in terms of packaging.

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TyTN II by far. It looks better IMO and has a great presentation in terms of packaging.
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The only difference that you can see is the extra photo camera on the frontcover?

Well I for one aim very stoked about getting my Tilt. (Which should arrive this Thursday) I have looked into getting the unlocked TyTn II but I have no use for Video calling as no one I know also has this feature.
I also look forward to joining the Kaiser community....

The question is like asking If you want the Ford Explorer XL or Ford Explorer XLT. They are but the same phone only AT$T "Tweaked" it becasue they are fudge packers like that.
I currently have a Tilt. I would love to have a Tytn II only because I am a hardcore gadget Geek and The Weak Front Camera makes the Tytn II that much more "ultimate" than the Tilt.
But Overall i think its personal preference.

Tilt, by far for the $. If $ isn't an object, why not go for the front camera?!
Although, the front camera is not really worth even an extra $20 in my opinion...

Tilt!
I just picked up a refurb Tilt through cingular and re-upped for 2 years, and the price was.... 149.00 + Tax, etc.
BTW, this thing is in perfect condition, and works great so far.
Probably got a unit that was fixed after someone fried the diode while car-charging, lol.
Now for a new TyTyn II, gulp, I think I would have paid alot more.
Not worth the upgrade for me, besides I'd be afraid I would accidently engage the front camera while in a compromising position

+1, I signed a new contract and got a major discount, and they even threw a bunch of stuff in. I paid $250 out the door for a new Tilt, and retail is, well, almost twice that on Ebay which is the cheapest source.

Just so us non us folks have i say.I have a tytn II for a good few months now and i have never used the front camera. i have a good video call package but its just a pain in the bum and the video call are crap anyway. So tilt get my vote anyday (if we could buy them over here)

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The only difference that you can see is the extra photo camera on the frontcover?
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The colour scheme is different as well. The front keys aren't all chrome on the TyTN II and the number keys on the QWERTY aren't white.
Not a big deal to most, but I'm picky like that.