what can i say, last Saturday i walked out of my local O2 shop the proud owner of a Stellar (Kaiser). id had a Hermes for about a year, my Orange contract ended so i decided to upgrade my contract and phone. After playing around in the shop with a Stellar and an N95 8gb, i made my choice. Alongside the N95, the Stellar stood out and i didnt even think it was a tough choice. Home i strolled with my new toy, happy in the knowledge i had found a worthy replacement for my Hermes......well........
its now been 5 days, and all i can think about is the shop gave me 2 weeks to change the phone! the more is use the Kaiser, and the more i read online makes me want to exchange it! First off, with all that RAM and ROM it still seems less snappier than my trusty Hermes (and yes ive updated Kaiser to Schaps ROM 4.31). Strange. Next i run some of my trusty games: Quake, SCUMM, SNES and GBA emu's. these run worse than they did on my hermes, even worse than a really old xda 1 i used to have. Im getting worried by this point. So then i try watching some TV shows on it. Man, i know how video ran on my hermes, i even watched a good 10 mins of the spiderman 3 that came pre-loaded onto the N95 i tried in the shop so i know how video is MEANT to run. and its not like the piss poor Flickbook show my Stellar was providing me!!! So i start to research my new phone and find out the driver problems that this new phone suffers from. How can a company release this knowing full well the problems its gonna face?? Its a joke! Especially when people are paying serious money for them. I got mine for FREE and im still considering taking it back.
So here it is. Basically I have til the 16th to return it to the shop to get a new phone. Im seriously tempted by the N95 and dusting my hermes off rather than keeping the Stellar. the only thing stopping me is progress on the driver issues! i know with a set of drivers the Stellar will become my new fav toy, its the only thing holding the device back!
So what i want to know guys is, is it really gonna happen with HTC and these drivers, i see so many conflicting stories over this issue and am very confused! Are they really gonna uncripple our devices?? or just make us wait til they release their next overpriced, under resourced phone.
At present i feel im gonna wait til the 16th and if nothing official has been announced then im gonna take it back, trade it for a N95 and drag my hermes out of early retirement!!!
if it can do what you want it to do, and you're happy with it, then keep it.
if there's any possibility that you will be the least bit unhappy with it, take it back.
you've had the same time with both in the shop and you thought the kaiser stood out. what makes you think now that there aren't similar troubles with the nokia down the road?
To me, it sounds like you should hand the Kaiser back, stick with your Hermes for a while longer, and see what happens. Defaulting to the N95 doesn't really make sense - it obviously didn't impress you that much in the shop, and in many ways it's a very different device to any of the WM stuff you've used before, with an all new interface etc, no touchscreen, no keyboard, no compatibility with the software you're used to..
The Kaiser is a good device as it stands, but has the potential to be much more. If it doesn't meet your needs now, then hand it back and wait - something better might catch your eye, or the Kaiser itself might get the upgrades it needs.
I would not expect drivers in the near future, if ever. I already made this mistake and have long since gone past my return window. If you are having doubts, it is best to wait it out until something proven suits your needs.
Or... I'm not advertising or anything, but look for the other thread in this forum, the "another goodbye kaiser thread." Some people have just done what you are contemplating. I myself have gotten an E90 to replace. Would've gotten the N95(which my wife has) but I need a semi-PDA, at least.
thanks for your input, i kind of knew i would be taking it back. really not happy with it, seems slow and slugish compared to my hermes at almost every task! the reason im getting a n95 is cuz i need a new phone with the contract i took so im kin of picking it on default rather than merit. its free so what the hell! my stellar cost me £89 on top!!! im gonna use n95 as 2nd phone and continue using my trusty hermes as my main device!! thanks guys!!! im so gutted cuz i really want to love the Stellar!!!!! BLOODY HTC, THE DRIVER SHIRKING B&*%ARDS!!!
I'd personally prefer slow WM6 to a fast Symbian any day. I'm not going to get in the whole "everything's running perfectly fine on my Kaiser except for 3D games" thing, but the customization, interface and the amount of development that people do for WM is worth much more for me than playing Quake 3 on my PDA.
Just thought I'd advice you to really compare the OS and think about it better.. besides, it's always in around 5-7 days that "hype" is over and you start noticing problems.. every device known to human has problems or issues. Besides, on WM you usually have a fix/workaround to *most* of them.
Whatever you decision will be, good luck!
P.S: I personally *love* Nokia, and if they'd make PDAs on WM - I wouldn't buy anything else.
I have to say that the upside on Series 60 (your N95 option) is that what it does - it does quite well and is rock solid.
It isn't as customisable as the Kaiser, but with Windows Mobile's greater ability (necessity) to make bespoke, you get the downside of stability. The slowness you mention is puzzling...especially vs. the Hermes. Surely you have thrown in something like MemMaid and cleaned the RAM?!
I have never thought S60 to be very fast and a TyTnII should stomp it in speed. Very strange, I think.
BTW, I used Symbian PDAs and phones from the early 1990's until 2007.
there may be hope yet:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7085.html
The Kaiser is a phone, not a Playstation. Take it back, buy a Gaming platform, and find a phone that you can use to make calls with, not eat pellets or jump fire pits and whine about why your tiny guy didn't have enough RAM to fend of an evil attack.
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I had this phone for almost two months now and I have not experienced anything that has turned me away from another HTC device. I purchased it with only 35mins of call time for only $210 and I believe its worth double that. My life has become more organized, I get much better reception, I can use the internet at decent speeds, hell and the video quality isn't that bad, i got TT6, and so on.
I've really enjoyed this device, xda, and the learning process.
i've paid 800 cdn when it first came out and dont regret one bit...yes maybe there are issues with the phone but which phone is perfect? its all about personal prefs and give and take..to me this phone is good and i can live with whatever wrong with it...having said that its not the perfect phone cuz everyone wants this n that...i'll still switch over to the x1 just because its new and id like to try it out...if its not good then i'll go back to kaiser...if kaiser isnt good...maybe i'll look into another machine...but a phone is a phone...its not perfect...unless we manufacture our own phones
Since most forums are essentially self-help groups, it's not such a surprise. When I think of my previous WM5 i-mate - the hourly soft re-sets, unreadable screen in sunlight, constant need to re-calibrate the screen, poor receptoion (even though at the time I thought it was the coolest thing) - I thank my lucky stars!
chuk
i agree, its not perfect and the camera is rubbish, i still have the hermes and i prefer the camera on that but, updated hardware and built in gps does it for me.
People should start complaining about things that matter!
I'm irritated on principle about the driver issue - I strongly believe they should have supplied whatever software support was necessary to get the best out of the hardware, because we all paid for the latter and we shouldn't have to get it working ourselves.
On the other hand, generally the performance is acceptable and as a whole the device works very well. I'd probably be more annoyed if I'd paid a lot of money for it, but as it was quite cheap for me I'm more than happy with it overall. But HTC need to take note of the driver furore and the damage it's quite fairly done to their reputation.
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I don't! ;-)
No, seriously: I thinks that's a false impression. In this forum you will find a lot of perfectionists who always want to get out the most of their phones. And even if they do, they still look forward in buying the next generation. At least that description fits me. ;-)
I don't complain about mine and I was one of the first people in my area to buy one. I Think someone cried wolf regarding the video driver and now everyone wants to be cool too. I would like to see them but my phone kicks other phones butts for breakfast.
I was perfectly happy with my 8125 (Wizard) until I saw Engadget's preview of the Tilt. I immediately pre-ordered it through AT&T Premier, and had it in hand on launch day. Even though I will probably buy the Xperia sometime next year, I am in no rush to get rid of my Tilt.
As a noob to the whole genre of ppc's... I have to admit from everything i have seen here at work with other pda's and ppc's, My tilt kicks the s--t out of the rest. I know there are complaints about the video drivers but f--k it, i didnt buy my tilt to watch videos... i bought it to take care of my daily needs for when i cant get to my computer....
Probably because it is human nature to complain......
I've had mine since the first of October 07, and haven't really had any issues.
I had to return it because the USB port died. Didn't really like the camera
until the hotfix came out, which pretty much fixed the camera issue for me.
Exactly... Ive upgraded like twice and got the fixes I wanted and I'll tell you I wont get rid of this phone for awhile.
I think the only real reason for a complaint is the driver issue...
people had expectations that the device would out perform a hermes for video playback because of the data sheet and the graphics chip. Then when people got it and it shuddered and such due to no driver support people got mad.
I understand, people bought the phone expecting one thing, spent a lot of $$ and it did not meet there expectations.
Maybe it was their bad for having expectations but, they were founded on qualcomms own marketing for the 7200 chip.
Oh I understand what you're saying about the driver issues, I'd be pissed too if I had bought for those issues. Its HTC/Qualcomms f--- up for putting out the ifo like they did. They have a right to be upset if they bought the phones expecting something that wasnt delivered.
No complaints on my side so far! XDA helped with any issues and couln't be happier. I too will look into the SE Xperia but the Tilt will stay
If it weren't for me finding XDA I probably wouldn't have figured out the possibilities of my tilt. And I have found some really awesome stuff for it.
Sure, I am annoyed that my Kaiser is not being all that it could be as its missing some drivers, but I still like it and don't think I have ever complained.
However, I liked my Hermes. If I had not broken it I would probably not have upgraded when my contract ends in June (I only want a 12 month contract max and am a student, so not a heavy spender and can't really afford £150 for the handset as well as the contract).
I see a note about a HTC Raphael - it might get me to upgrade, but then I might just ignore it as I don't dislike the kaiser. It's not like the Wizard which really annoyed me by the time I upgraded. At the moment the only thing I am interested in is moving to a rolling 1 month contract (which is not a bad deal) and I might buy the Raphael without a contract.
The tilt is the best phone i've ever had. Who says the camera is rubbish?! did you see the panoramic shots some dude took and posted here. Those are clear as crystal. I mean geez people want a perfect cell phone with nikon capabilities. People can't seem to remember that it's a PHONE!!.. if you look at how far we've gotten in technology it isn't a bad device. I personally won't get the Xperia. I'll wait for the next HTC launch. Videos play fine on my phone and I have full movies on my SD card and stream music and videos from my home pc with no problems. People just like *****ing. Like I said before nobody started *****ing until Bill Nye the Science guy started that driver post.
read my signature..
remember people... quest for perfection ends at you feeling empty and betrayed.
I have taken mine to Hell and back ...the fact that it still works is amazing
I realise it has some drawbacks..but I am fine with it. Not changing it anytime soon.
Im quite happy with my tytnII had it for six months now,it is a shame that the drivers are not there for the imageon card,mainly because im a bit of a gamer and was looking forward to seeing what it was capable of.
Unfortunately it seems its not upto much, the slow down on call of duty is laughable i think my nokia 6680 could out peform it.
That aside i am very pleased with it.
If it wasnt that i was put onto this site by someone i probably would have sent it back (HTC TAKE NOTE)...I got this phone free on cotract at the time they were going for £440 pound on ebay i would have been seriously pissed if id paid cash for it outright.
A set of drivers would be sooooo nice,so keep putting in the hard work those who are working on them,and thanks to xda devs a invaluable lifeline to many.
Hi, I am very new to the cellphone/ smartphone modding scene. My friend recently decided to buy a new phone so we had been looking for a good phone for him and me, so he decided either tilt or iphone. I personally think the iphone is neat, but the lack of 3rd party programs w/o jailbreak, and no keyboard (i must have a full qwerty keyboard) is a huge turn off. We both have att, so he went to the store one day and came back with the 16g iphone. He took it back the next day... so he traded it for the tilt. Well I played around with it and I bought mine the next day (this is like 4 days ago). Since then I have done quite a few things... such as find out that there is NO drivers for the gfx card... apparently none of the reviews actually came out and stated that... "sluggish at times" is not "NO VIDEO DRIVERS!!". I have also flashed about 15 times or so, tried all sorts of cabs and whatnot. Right now I am running the L26 Diamondv3 rom. Anyways since i know we don't have drivers we must make do with what we have. But if I am going to be paying an extra 30 a month for unlimited data, i might as well use it. I know that i won't be able to play any games other than very very simple 2d games. But I was hoping i would be able to at least watch youtube videos. Well, watch videos where i can actually see what is happening (not the low quality mobile youtube with horrible sound). I have tried flashvideobundle with the tcmp w/e it is plugin. It worked alright but not as well as I had hoped. I have also looked into coreplayer, but 1.) not freeware 2.) apparently dTV doesn't work anymore so you have to use DirectDraw which tears.
My dad has an iphone and i can compare his quality using edge to mine using hsdpa... of course the tilt loses...
Ok. Now onto the point. Since there isn't really any other nice phones out there (that i know of, please correct me if i'm wrong) that have a large qwerty keyboard, not one that my thumb presses 4 buttons at once.. I think I will have to stick with the tilt. But if I am, i want to be able to use $30 a month in internet. I am using opera mobile beta for my browser, but i'd also like to watch decent quality vids. So...
Does anyone know anything that I might have missed in my digging around. Any tweaks for coreplayer that you might have found that i could look into purchasing it. Or maybe something to do with flashvideobundle.
Another thing is, is that i paid $400 for this phone... and a two year contract. So... I really need this phone to work, very well.. even if it doesn't have drivers.
This brings me to the second part of my post. Since I have spent $450 w/ tax... Should i keep this phone, maybe hope HTC makes drivers/ gets sued / whatever (which probably wont happen)... Or should I take it back and invest in a different phone? My old phone is an lg Chocolate KG800 (not american version) It just has a numberpad. My phone before that was a bb with full qwerty keyboard which i fell in love with. Does anyone know a phone that my suffice either until something else comes out, (which i would need around a $100-150 ish phone) or something that i could just go ahead and buy, and be happy with. Two phones I saw earlier was the Black Jack II and the BB Curve These would probably work until something really nice comes out
I know this is an HTC site and the Kaiser subsection, but from what I read not very many people are happy with HTC... So if you could please give me an unbiased opinion on my situation i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanx , Especially to those who cooked all sorts of goodies for me to play with these past few days
I bought this phone thinking i would use gps, but i barely do!
point is, really really think about what u will actually use, vs what would be nice to have.
The tilt/kaiser will surpass, but even though its subpar at playing videos/games its still solid device.
I would love to play a game seamlessly, but then again, the only game id play is like bejeweled at the toilet. And kaiser/tilt plays it seamlessly too! FYI, With coreplayer, videos will play smoothly, and its currently being updated with flash support.(There talking to adobe and all that stuff, check out corecodec.com forums!)
A good phone w/ a slide out qwerty wont be out for a few months, and if ur planning on getting a deal with a carrier u can add a year to that.
So, if it was me and
-I want to get a good deal with a carrier
-I thought real hard and found out i really dont play doom on my phone that much.
Id get the kaiser
otherwise, if
-I have about a grand to spend on a phone
I would wait a couple months and purchase a nextgen phone.
Sony Xperia sounds nice!
Oh yeah, dont be a hater of htc because they messed up. They already do more than what other companies will do for their customers.(Offer a free Wm6.1 update, etc) To bad people dont realize that. Alot of people here expect to be spoonfed by a company thats not obligated too.
On, The GPS issue , i thought it would be nice, but I got a gps a few weeks ago so i haven't really used it. I am a college student so I need some sort of quick on the fly , yet simple note taking. So I was thinking the tilt would work. and for the most part it does. But anyways, Actually the original phone i was going to get would have been the xperia, then i saw the tilt. since they are both made by HTC I figured that it'd be probably the same device... but now i know it probably has drivers.
And I guess HTC has done some good for their customers, but what kind of company releases a $400 smartphone without drivers?...
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Another thing is, is that i paid $400 for this phone... and a two year contract.
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Holy crap! One of the reasons I'm not too upset about the driver issue is because I paid ~175 for this phone. I dont know man. If you ask me, if you going to dish out that much, you might as well wait and see what HTC Diamond has to offer once/if it comes out in the US. I haven't been following the Diamond too well so I'm not even sure. Dont get me wrong, this phone is really good. When it comes to functionality and availability of support (XDA) and apps (XDA again), its really the way to go. GPS, 3g, qwerty, a dozen chefs making dozens of ROMs, a dev community taking the best of other devices to work with Tilts, and so on. These are the reasons I havent sold this phone. I say do more research and look into phones that are coming up, so I say wait. If you can find a tilt for cheaper than 450, maybe in the 200 range, then keep it, but 450....? Damn. If it helps, I got mine at BestBuy with a contract...good luck
Thats my 2¢.
the money is ome of my biggest concerns... if it did onlycost only a hundred or a a little more.. then it would be like thats sucks.. oh well... but since i dont curently have a job at the moment (this is usibg half of my graduation money) so i really dont have the money to blow awa. my friend got a 100 percebt refund so i can to. but the internet feature is really nice. in my opinion not as good for normal browsing as the iphone, but i dont think it is worthpaying 450 plus the extra 30 for something that is mediocre..
(this was typed on a tilt on my way to clas... the text was really lagy on the input, but that could be the browser)
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the money is ome of my biggest concerns... if it did onlycost only a hundred or a a little more.. then it would be like thats sucks.. oh well... but since i dont curently have a job at the moment (this is usibg half of my graduation money) so i really dont have the money to blow awa. my friend got a 100 percebt refund so i can to. but the internet feature is really nice. in my opinion not as good for normal browsing as the iphone, but i dont think it is worthpaying 450 plus the extra 30 for something that is mediocre..
(this was typed on a tilt on my way to clas... the text was really lagy on the input, but that could be the browser)
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Have you tried youtubeplay and opera mini?
I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!
Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.
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Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco
Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..
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Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released
Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.
Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.
If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.
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<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill
Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
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Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.
The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
I paid almost 800$ for a great phone that I expected a lot out of, what did I get? A phone that worked for 20 days and then ****ed up. The entire phone just does not connect when it is not plugged into the wall outlet, and I've used another battery and it still does the same thing, it's a piece of ****.
For the past month I've been trying to get the damn thing to work, I've treated it like a diamond because I've paid as much as I would.
It was awesome for the first 20 days, but now it's useless unless connected to an adapter. Amazing. Mobilecityonline the guys i bought it from are willing to repair it on warranty but it will take 4-6weeks, THATS MORE THAN A MONTH.
I'm ending with my illusion of WM powered phones, goin to the iphone which has basically the same features, not all the looks but god damnit, the tech support is great, and the phone does not lag, and you don't need to cook roms to get the damn thing to work faster.
This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
So it was awesome until it broke? Why not just get it repaired then?
Hardware fails from time to time, do you think the iphone is bullet proof? You say you've been trying to get it working for the last month, well if you'd just had it repaired under warranty you'd probably have it back by now.
No, 6 weeks is more than a month. That's far too long for a phone to be in repair. The company was ****ty, that's a given, but the phone ****ed up.
My sister has an iphone and has had it since it came out. The thing with apple is, you can walk into an apple store down the street and walk out with a brand new phone. Repairs take 1 day.
HTC America was really nice and offered the European hotline, but they agreed that if I sent it out to them it would take more than a month, 2-3 apparently. And they cannot send me a new phone but would have to repair this one.
I thought this phone was bullet proof, people f'ing compared it to the iphone. It's an amazing phone, but not worth 700$.
And to get even the basic tools from diamond you need to jailbreak the iphone or use the 2.0 appstore(not the good solution)
haha nice one mouseymousey made me chuckle!
good luck with your iphone mate, you'll soon come running back! 'basic'illy has the same features just about sums it up! and make sure you have a good belt to hold your trousers up! ahem.. BRICK lol
like mousey says, hardware can break down, lifes not perfect mate!
if your fridge breaks down are you going to switch to only eating tinned food?
How so? What basic tools does the diamond have that the iphone does not? What are we missing here? Jailbreaking is meaningless anymore because i'm already on the network with the iphone. You still have to pay for WM applications, it's not like the appstore is killing you.
Sorry double posted on accident. Anyways. I'm sorry, everyone on this board has been great, but no one anywhere on the internet could help me solve this problem, and HTCs best support told me to "hard reset" amazing.
I've just realized that WM is too much trouble, and HTC products are and will always be far too expensive for what you get. If the unlocked iphone cost about 700$ with 4/gigs of internal storage people would be ****ing pissed. But nothing about HTC but rather its a supposed competitor. Failed to impress.
Also, hardware does not break down in a matter of days of you getting it, that's ridiculous, that's showing the quality build of the product being really ****ty. Honestly, If i got a fridge from sears, that broke down in a weeks time I would not get the same brand again. The problem is that every product that you get has to work for atleast a couple of months and you have to do something to do it for it to breakdown. For god's sake, I haven't bought a single product that I couldn't fix, this is literally a hardware failure, that wasn't warranted, I didn't even touch the phone the wrong way, I swear to you I have had it in a case as thick as my wallet. It's ridiculous. If you call it a random breakdown that happens every now and then, **** that. 700$ is a lot for me. And a months time for repairs isn't gravy.
bye bye then
ta tar then!
car navigation, copy - paste, does not even exist... good pushmail etc. exchange stuff... remote desktop, video recording, crappy speeds compared to htc on connections, even with the new 3g... just to name few...
i love the use of iphone, theres no comparison to that, but featurewise its no match for diamond
iphone can melt...
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...it's posted on a dutch website which found an article from an american user....
If you don't believe me, here's the link to the dutch website:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/iphone-3g-wordt-ook-erg-heet-en-kan-zelfs-smelten-t3131.html
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5943855&postcount=288
So you'd better think twice before you buy the Iphone...
greetzz Jeroen
oh yes, the '3g' phone that CANT make video calls?? errr, whats the point!!!? haha
iphone sucks big time!
There are so many good reasons to switch to the iPhone (useability, following the masses, trying to look cool, for example), but "because my phone broke" is not one of them when you consider that iPhone users have just been complaining about that very issue - and I'm not speaking about activation problems...
Anyway, have fun. Good luck with the battery.
I'll stick with the Diamond. Its features simply blow the iPhone out of the water. Most importantly for me is that I can easily write my own apps for it.
Car navigation does exist the new 3g has built in GPS. Copy and paste is released with the new 2.1 firmware, mobileme is up and running, HTC's wifi blows donkey, 3g is fast as hell on the iphone.
And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...
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So they found the TRUE reason to the clobal warming... iBlaah
Hi Intradvocate, can you please confirm that 6 weeks is longer than a month?
Sure, 31 days in a month (average) 7 days in a week, 4.4 weeks in a month. (divide 31 by 7)
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The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
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This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
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I can't help noticing that if the same thing happened to your iphone you would be probably writing similar post. Honestly WM6 is for professional and semi-professional users, perhaps closer to blackberry so if you were looking for an iphone like alternative it was a mistake. I am under no peer pressure in terms of "coolness"- the HTC SD must perform efficiently the business tasks that I throw at it and honestly there is currently no better alternative for my needs.
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And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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True, on iPod touch and non 3g iPhone, unfortunatelly the 3g version has not been the best quality from apple... this is quite tough place to get sympathy when changing to iblaah...
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
I have to say I'm loving mine and think it's a good thing (in a funny way) that there are features missing. We get to look forward to updates to a system that has really great foundations.
Having said that there is a bit of a danger in thinking that every missing feature and every imaginable improvement will make it into imminent updates. MS are in this for the long haul and some improvements won't materialise over the lifetime of the initial batch of phones.
Copy/paste will be coming soon but we just don't know other features. We can just hope. So, if you can't live without tethering it might be worth waiting until early next year to see if news emerges on a timescale.
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I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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I still have my i637 jack. I suggest you wait like me, We got to atleast see if Microsoft is gonna even mention addressing the other issues besides the ones they say they will fix in early 2011. Although im personally seeing are they gonna stay true to their words by listening to their supporters.
Jeimygirl said:
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
I'm going to get the HD7 on Nov 8th as well. I've used Android since the G1 and ave had just about every Android phone T-Mo offers (except the Behold 2). Right now I have the myTouch 4G, and while it is an awesome phone, it's not doing it for me. I really like how WP7 looks. I also have a Zune HD, and I like the software on it, and WP7 is very similar.
If you are prepared to wait for the new OS to mature and for "jailbreaks and hacks" to become available then go for it. If you want to be abe to tweak from day 1 and have every possible feature that is out there then stay with 6.5 or go for android. I have a horrible feeling these forums are going to fill up with people moaning about lack of this that or the other feature. I myself like the interface so much that I want to be part of the WP7 thing from day 1 hence I have my HD7 already and am lovin it warts an all!!
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
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Kind of what he said. Buy it and see. I'm getting it because I want to be part of the new revolution of Winmo. And honestly, have found myself not to concerned about what it's lacking as hell, it still the basic things you expect in a smartphone and I'm willing to give up some the apps I've used on Winmo and Android ports to the HD2. Most of them are just because I wanted to do something and not really needed. But with a browser, slingplayer coming soon, office, phone calls, text, and Slacker for streaming radio. That pretty much rounds up the stuff that I use on a regular basis (oh just need a golfgps app) and that's it. But, I'm planning on keeping my HD2, juuust in case there is something I need. My advice, jump into and see what you think and try not to think about the very minor things you'll be missing. You might actually find that you start finding more time for real life as opposed to your virtual phone life that's wasted from having billions of apps to check. I know I will and I'm looking forward to it!
That's everyone for your opinions. I am usually one to get the new "it" thing as soon as it comes out, usually the day it comes out (well only phones) But not so much when a new phone comes out, just the next biggest thing. In this case, WinMo7. I've owned 3 Win Mo phones (SDA, Dash and HD2) Android (G1) and iPhone along with all the other basics before the SDA, and I can surely say, I like WinMo the best. I do like to completely customize my phones. I found WinMo to have the best broad range to do this. I'm not one to load my phone with apps, except to customize, which is why I don't mind the almost nothing there marketplace for WinMo.
I will probably be one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon and getting the HD7 on Monday as well. I do like their return policy, but don't like their $10-$20 restocking fee that you have if you return it. I'm sure I will end up liking the HD7. For the most part I have a love/hate relationship with my HD2. I think what I hate is WinMo6.5 because after customizing it was perfect for me. I'm sure over time the developers here will come up with ways to customize the HD7. I think I can wait. Plus, I would get the "new phone" feeling with HD7, vs getting an android which seems to never change it's basics.
Also, how is everyone getting their phones?
I'm thinking about getting it at WalMart since their price is $150 with a new 2 yr contract, (have to verify if an upgrade counts)
T-Mobile's is $250 with a 2 yr contract with a $50 mail in rebate (which I always seem to forget to mail out on time!)
Do Not Buy A W7 phone
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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Are you saying you don't like it?
J9HOB said:
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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I think you have this guy nailed.