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Still within my 30 Days....What should I do?

Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....

redsrule2500 said:
Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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I am also in the same boat. I was expecting more from it when it came to playing movies and just overall performance. Don't know if I should return it to newegg and void the att contract. Or if it would be better to keep the contract, sell the phone on ebay, and use that money to buy a different phone.

return them
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.

Take It Back

return it...

RETURN IT
why? well the more HTC get returned etc the quicker they will pull their finger out and correct things and not allow such stupid mistakes

Just make damn sure that when you return it; you tell them WHY.
Hmm... The new 8gb Nokia N95 has just come out... Looks rather nice too...

All of you whom own a Tilt / Tytn II, T-mobile or other clone distributed by carriers should return this piece of ****ty hardware when not satisfied with the video performance.
Indeed, AT&T certainly would not have counted on such a return (and loss ) and will raise this towards HTC as loss of business.

Just return the ****ty thing and buy something that does what it's supposed to do.
And, for your own good, never buy anything coming from HTC. They're crooks, hypocrites and arrogant bastards who think that their customers are of a low enough IQ to be mocked in their face and still want to feed HTC money (this is exactly what comes out from their official response to the driver issue).

ahson said:
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
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It no iphone for me....no way. It has the same problems in limited capabilities as you have to convert everything and use itunes….no thanks!
Also, anyone have suggestions besides iphone??????

Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.

FloatingFatMan said:
Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted

redsrule2500 said:
no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!

FloatingFatMan said:
Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device

redsrule2500 said:
Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Yup. I bought my tilt last week so I still have two weeks to decide. I would return it today if i could figure out a replacement that does everything the Tilt does but better. I would personally rather have the Tilt than an Iphone even with the problems, and that nokia isn't doing it for me.

If you don't mind losing the internal GPS and the extra ram you could downgrade to the 8525 (Hermes). Nice thing is that there price has dropped considerably since the Tilt came out. For awhile there AT&T was selling them for $99...so you could probably find another site out there somewhere that would give it to you even better than this.

I'll trade someone my 8525 for their Kaiser

ha, I can't believe what im reading here! are u guys really that bitter. I honestly feel that even when (if) htc releases the fix, MOST of us will not notice a big difference in our daily use. I compare it to a bluetooth keyboard I purchased. before I bought it, I was going crazy, thinking I needed one, etc. once I got it, I don't think I've ever used it.
don't get me wrong, I would love the drivers, but other than that I love my phone. great internet, great gps, full keyboard, etc. there is honestly no other phone id rather have.

My Warranty ends tomorrow. I think im just going to keep the damn thing. Sure the video converting sucks. but, I got the Camera to work (thanks to Navadi), and I havnt watched a movie on my mobile in awhile. At least the reception is flawless. I have better reception than most of my friends and family. with the same provider, AT&T.
In my house NO ONE gets reception. and I can have a full conversation inside my house perfectly.
My brother who owns the Iphone. He has to walk outside in order to talk on his phone.
Oh and yeah the full keyboard is much better than the Iphone at Texting.
Oh and dont get me wrong I am disappointed with HTC with the way they are handling this situation. Atleast be helpful, rather than leaving us with a "F**k you, we got your money, you got what you paid for." what they did was false advertise.
The problem is, in the U.S. The phone is still better than majority of all the other phones out there. OBviously not in Europe. but here. Yeah.

I've had both the iPhone (Returned it) and now I have the TILT...i prefer the tilt.
I know the video situation sucks but I think the phone is still good overall

HTC, I've had enough of your BS.

Allright guys,
I hate to do this, but I'm sick of getting flipped off and getting broken promises from HTC. If I wanted those, I'd just get into another relationship with what seems to be a nice girl at a bar. I've sent in more than 9 hand written letters and countless emailed ones. I've made the proverbial ****-ton loads of phone calls. And all this through my own, free time. And I know that I'm not the only one. There is an army of people here who've written, pleased, asked politely and signed a petition. We've lambasted through what seems to be HTC's "cover fire" on the issue. After being dicked around, I didn't want a politically correct and savvy response to the issue that tells me nothing at all. For the money I paid, I wanted the basics. What, When, Where, Why. What was the problem? When Will it Be Resolved? Why has this been overlooked? If I can't get away from my girlfriend with a politically correct and savvy response to the issue of why I spent $700 on a new phone, then I don't believe HTC can use that ploy either.
Yea we've all heard this rant before, but I'm sick of this. If **** doesn''t change soon, I'm taking my business and my accounts elsewhere. It's sad when I have to degrade myself to think about rebuying the iphone. But hell even if we all know the iphone doesn't have all the features the tilt does, at least IT DOES WHAT IT'S PROMISED TO DO. No Smoke and mirrors. No concise and no business response. It just does what it's supposed to do out of the box.
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
P.S. And for all those who say this is a Business Device, not an entertainment device: As a business user, it's pretty damn hard to tell a client "HOLD ON, I NEED TO SWITCH TO LANDSCAPE MODE" or "GIMME A FEW MORE SECS TO SHOW YOU THIS EXCEL SHEET. WAIT, IT'S LOADING. ALMOST...." Even us business users are getting pissed off.
And, again, I hate the iphone, but how many of them do you see complaining because their device doesn't do an advertised feature? Or is misadvertised?

I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.

yes i agree at first i was im love with my tilt but when my video recording capabilities sucked arse and simple things like scrolling while playing music makes the device lag now u know its a problem ive hear dof frigging wizards playing games better than this and they tote this as it being the most powerful windows device out but i was still gonna buy another htc product but once they released that statement im like are u serious this sis ur answer not even a "u can buy 4 more apps for 20 bucks" like steve jobbs is doing i mean i wouldve at least appreciated that but i think i might go to the tytn or the iphone they deliver on wat is promised

My next phone will probably going to be an iPhone once they release a 3G version of it. I miss my 8525

xmoo said:
I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
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I-mate is switiching manufactoring back to HTC, in essence it is just an HTC with I-mate branding. Hopefully they will support their devices with all the adequate software and updates, unlike HTC.

Infornography said:
Allright guys,
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
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What do you mean "may"? I have absolutely excluded it. After all this mockery and arrogance from HTC, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I EVER went and bought another one of their devices, at ANY point in the future.

Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?

I had this phone for almost two months now and I have not experienced anything that has turned me away from another HTC device. I purchased it with only 35mins of call time for only $210 and I believe its worth double that. My life has become more organized, I get much better reception, I can use the internet at decent speeds, hell and the video quality isn't that bad, i got TT6, and so on.
I've really enjoyed this device, xda, and the learning process.

i've paid 800 cdn when it first came out and dont regret one bit...yes maybe there are issues with the phone but which phone is perfect? its all about personal prefs and give and take..to me this phone is good and i can live with whatever wrong with it...having said that its not the perfect phone cuz everyone wants this n that...i'll still switch over to the x1 just because its new and id like to try it out...if its not good then i'll go back to kaiser...if kaiser isnt good...maybe i'll look into another machine...but a phone is a phone...its not perfect...unless we manufacture our own phones

Since most forums are essentially self-help groups, it's not such a surprise. When I think of my previous WM5 i-mate - the hourly soft re-sets, unreadable screen in sunlight, constant need to re-calibrate the screen, poor receptoion (even though at the time I thought it was the coolest thing) - I thank my lucky stars!
chuk

i agree, its not perfect and the camera is rubbish, i still have the hermes and i prefer the camera on that but, updated hardware and built in gps does it for me.
People should start complaining about things that matter!

I'm irritated on principle about the driver issue - I strongly believe they should have supplied whatever software support was necessary to get the best out of the hardware, because we all paid for the latter and we shouldn't have to get it working ourselves.
On the other hand, generally the performance is acceptable and as a whole the device works very well. I'd probably be more annoyed if I'd paid a lot of money for it, but as it was quite cheap for me I'm more than happy with it overall. But HTC need to take note of the driver furore and the damage it's quite fairly done to their reputation.

redbandana said:
Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?
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I don't! ;-)
No, seriously: I thinks that's a false impression. In this forum you will find a lot of perfectionists who always want to get out the most of their phones. And even if they do, they still look forward in buying the next generation. At least that description fits me. ;-)

I don't complain about mine and I was one of the first people in my area to buy one. I Think someone cried wolf regarding the video driver and now everyone wants to be cool too. I would like to see them but my phone kicks other phones butts for breakfast.

I was perfectly happy with my 8125 (Wizard) until I saw Engadget's preview of the Tilt. I immediately pre-ordered it through AT&T Premier, and had it in hand on launch day. Even though I will probably buy the Xperia sometime next year, I am in no rush to get rid of my Tilt.

As a noob to the whole genre of ppc's... I have to admit from everything i have seen here at work with other pda's and ppc's, My tilt kicks the s--t out of the rest. I know there are complaints about the video drivers but f--k it, i didnt buy my tilt to watch videos... i bought it to take care of my daily needs for when i cant get to my computer....

Probably because it is human nature to complain......
I've had mine since the first of October 07, and haven't really had any issues.
I had to return it because the USB port died. Didn't really like the camera
until the hotfix came out, which pretty much fixed the camera issue for me.

Exactly... Ive upgraded like twice and got the fixes I wanted and I'll tell you I wont get rid of this phone for awhile.

I think the only real reason for a complaint is the driver issue...
people had expectations that the device would out perform a hermes for video playback because of the data sheet and the graphics chip. Then when people got it and it shuddered and such due to no driver support people got mad.
I understand, people bought the phone expecting one thing, spent a lot of $$ and it did not meet there expectations.
Maybe it was their bad for having expectations but, they were founded on qualcomms own marketing for the 7200 chip.

Oh I understand what you're saying about the driver issues, I'd be pissed too if I had bought for those issues. Its HTC/Qualcomms f--- up for putting out the ifo like they did. They have a right to be upset if they bought the phones expecting something that wasnt delivered.

No complaints on my side so far! XDA helped with any issues and couln't be happier. I too will look into the SE Xperia but the Tilt will stay

If it weren't for me finding XDA I probably wouldn't have figured out the possibilities of my tilt. And I have found some really awesome stuff for it.

Sure, I am annoyed that my Kaiser is not being all that it could be as its missing some drivers, but I still like it and don't think I have ever complained.
However, I liked my Hermes. If I had not broken it I would probably not have upgraded when my contract ends in June (I only want a 12 month contract max and am a student, so not a heavy spender and can't really afford £150 for the handset as well as the contract).
I see a note about a HTC Raphael - it might get me to upgrade, but then I might just ignore it as I don't dislike the kaiser. It's not like the Wizard which really annoyed me by the time I upgraded. At the moment the only thing I am interested in is moving to a rolling 1 month contract (which is not a bad deal) and I might buy the Raphael without a contract.

The tilt is the best phone i've ever had. Who says the camera is rubbish?! did you see the panoramic shots some dude took and posted here. Those are clear as crystal. I mean geez people want a perfect cell phone with nikon capabilities. People can't seem to remember that it's a PHONE!!.. if you look at how far we've gotten in technology it isn't a bad device. I personally won't get the Xperia. I'll wait for the next HTC launch. Videos play fine on my phone and I have full movies on my SD card and stream music and videos from my home pc with no problems. People just like *****ing. Like I said before nobody started *****ing until Bill Nye the Science guy started that driver post.

read my signature..
remember people... quest for perfection ends at you feeling empty and betrayed.

I have taken mine to Hell and back ...the fact that it still works is amazing
I realise it has some drawbacks..but I am fine with it. Not changing it anytime soon.

Im quite happy with my tytnII had it for six months now,it is a shame that the drivers are not there for the imageon card,mainly because im a bit of a gamer and was looking forward to seeing what it was capable of.
Unfortunately it seems its not upto much, the slow down on call of duty is laughable i think my nokia 6680 could out peform it.
That aside i am very pleased with it.
If it wasnt that i was put onto this site by someone i probably would have sent it back (HTC TAKE NOTE)...I got this phone free on cotract at the time they were going for £440 pound on ebay i would have been seriously pissed if id paid cash for it outright.
A set of drivers would be sooooo nice,so keep putting in the hard work those who are working on them,and thanks to xda devs a invaluable lifeline to many.

HTC Diamond NOT recommended!

Sorry to have posted

Personnaly I have to say that i used palm product for years, and blackberry too, I've been using a QTEK 9100 for two years and now switch to the Diamond and I'm really impressed...
Everything I had to say against any of my preivous machine is 'corrected' in the diamond...
Of course, it's a device running with windows mobile, so it requires tweaking, it's a hardware for geek...
I won't give it to my wife (I bought her a qtek 8500 (star trek)) but it's a really impressive piece of tech (I don't care about the multipoint of the Iphone... I really prefer the zooming option for opera...)
Don't get me wrong, I really understand how a lot of people could get frustrated or desapointed with this, but I had to give my opinion too...

Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..

darthbane2k said:
Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...

harvsHK76 said:
I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
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I'm so glad that you took the time to register on this forum and make this post your first.
Another 'Diamond is [email protected]' thread is exactly what we need here.
Thanks for sharing...

harvsHK76 said:
The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
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never heard of warranty right?

KukurikU said:
you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...
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HTC Diamond NOT recommended!
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I quite avidly read through all forums relating to HTC products and fully appreciate the work that alot of more experienced people do within XDA-developers. However...
I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
Please take note!
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will you sell it

harvsHK76 said:
Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
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If the Phone is complete empty, it takes some time to charge. If you use not the original usb cable it probably won´t work to charge the phone with the pc, so use the "normal" ac charger and wait at least 10 mins before you try to switch it on.
And yes, the Diamond is probably not the most userfrendly phone. But most people who buy expect a bit more than just a phone.
For me it is the best machine i ever tried. It´s the first phone wich combine the latest technic features with a unbelievable form factor! No windows mobile phone on the market can reach this combination.
Sure, there are o lot of real nice phones out there, wich are better in some points.

diamond recommended
Had my diamond about 2 months got it when it first showed up. This is a fun pda and very reliable for me. The battery is not a problem for me. I have a car charger!!
My daughter has an iphone. Nice phone, not a pda, cant do half of what i can with my diamond. Some features are better on the iphone, but the Diamond overall outshines it. I like a small compact phone. The iphone is big compared to the Diamond. I cant put the programs that i have on my Diamond on the iphone. No iphone for me. Sure I could have 2 iphones (or more) for what i paid for my Diamond, but then i would have two PHONES only. Iphones just dont do it for us PDA people. Hope iphone does good with their new release. Not for those who want a true pda. If anyone just wants a phone...i would choose iphone.

The OP has only 1 post and it's just a post to b!tch and whine about the phone - most likely you either have a dud phone or you have not upgraded the ROM to the latest local/cooked ROM and have not tweaked it to its current (not yet full) potential. Yes the phone does have it's crap here and there but overall it's a good phone.

Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.

bull crap!!!
the Diamond is excellent i dont know where you guys fell out of but no hassels at all

Everyone, calm down ;-) I am not an 'apple shill' nor am I a moron! Read my message; I am clearly stating that I (as a not so-experienced user) have had problems that disappoint me with this particular phone! I have had a TYTN also before.
In response:
Andrax: I have installed the 'recommended tweaks' and have had to hard reset at least 5 times! But I do appreciate your response.
Darthbane2K: I had noted that I have never had an iphone before. Take it easy mate! Apple dont pay my wages
kukurikU: thanks for your support!
horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
farukb: probably not; though I am disappointed (the actual point of this thread)
Eurosportler: Thank you for your helpful and appreciated post.
BTW: As noted by 'p3eps'; this is my first post.... delete it if you dont like it!

God sake moan moan moan, you are on this forum for a reason right! That is to use the improved custom roms that help bring out the better of the phone. Too many people are impatient and dont read the instructions properly.
I for one will definately keep to this phone and know it has more potential to improve each time with the brilliant cooks coming out with great roms.
If you dont like the phone sell the phone, simple as. You can see on my list of phones that I have been more or less a htc or windows based phone for years and each phone got better and better with new and improved roms.
Im sorry but i back the Diamond to be a great phone and im sure im not the only one.

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horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
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really? this sucks!
In germany (I think in the EU too, too bad for the UK) the manufacturer has to give you a warranty of 2 years on every electronic device and the dealer where you bought it 1 year!

69reichertm said:
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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@3#...! &***!!! & dhahhh!
Hello!

Sorry to have posted.

darthbane2k said:
Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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Hehehehhe
Most of them would be completely lost anywhere outside of that tightly controlled apple universe.
Remember second best they are.

69reichertm said:
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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Dude get the hell out of here and go make a line for your fruity phone with al those duchessss. I smell fruity fan boy here.

Guys... i have a question for you if it happens that anyone knows ... I've been a Iphone user and sold my Iphone few weeks ago for the Diamond... it is still in delivery so didn't have time to check the responsiveness yet.
Well, the point is that on the Iphone all the touchs had an immediate response and everything was real fast loading. I m guessing that disabling multitasking is having something with this responsiveness but still, do you guys know how much RAM the iphone has compared to the diamond and what CPU that it use. This is only for the sake of comparaison !!!!
I 'm also thinking why would HTC not put moer RAM into their devices as it costs nothing theses days ... having 528Mb or even 1Gb of RAM would make the day of all of us i guess ...
Please correct me if i'm wrong .....

A question about the Tilt and Android before i sell it...

I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!

Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.

Android
Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco

Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.

Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..

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Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released

Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.

Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.

I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.

If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)

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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.

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<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill

Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
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Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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aphexacid said:
Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.