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HTC, I've had enough of your BS.

Allright guys,
I hate to do this, but I'm sick of getting flipped off and getting broken promises from HTC. If I wanted those, I'd just get into another relationship with what seems to be a nice girl at a bar. I've sent in more than 9 hand written letters and countless emailed ones. I've made the proverbial ****-ton loads of phone calls. And all this through my own, free time. And I know that I'm not the only one. There is an army of people here who've written, pleased, asked politely and signed a petition. We've lambasted through what seems to be HTC's "cover fire" on the issue. After being dicked around, I didn't want a politically correct and savvy response to the issue that tells me nothing at all. For the money I paid, I wanted the basics. What, When, Where, Why. What was the problem? When Will it Be Resolved? Why has this been overlooked? If I can't get away from my girlfriend with a politically correct and savvy response to the issue of why I spent $700 on a new phone, then I don't believe HTC can use that ploy either.
Yea we've all heard this rant before, but I'm sick of this. If **** doesn''t change soon, I'm taking my business and my accounts elsewhere. It's sad when I have to degrade myself to think about rebuying the iphone. But hell even if we all know the iphone doesn't have all the features the tilt does, at least IT DOES WHAT IT'S PROMISED TO DO. No Smoke and mirrors. No concise and no business response. It just does what it's supposed to do out of the box.
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
P.S. And for all those who say this is a Business Device, not an entertainment device: As a business user, it's pretty damn hard to tell a client "HOLD ON, I NEED TO SWITCH TO LANDSCAPE MODE" or "GIMME A FEW MORE SECS TO SHOW YOU THIS EXCEL SHEET. WAIT, IT'S LOADING. ALMOST...." Even us business users are getting pissed off.
And, again, I hate the iphone, but how many of them do you see complaining because their device doesn't do an advertised feature? Or is misadvertised?

I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.

yes i agree at first i was im love with my tilt but when my video recording capabilities sucked arse and simple things like scrolling while playing music makes the device lag now u know its a problem ive hear dof frigging wizards playing games better than this and they tote this as it being the most powerful windows device out but i was still gonna buy another htc product but once they released that statement im like are u serious this sis ur answer not even a "u can buy 4 more apps for 20 bucks" like steve jobbs is doing i mean i wouldve at least appreciated that but i think i might go to the tytn or the iphone they deliver on wat is promised

My next phone will probably going to be an iPhone once they release a 3G version of it. I miss my 8525

xmoo said:
I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
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I-mate is switiching manufactoring back to HTC, in essence it is just an HTC with I-mate branding. Hopefully they will support their devices with all the adequate software and updates, unlike HTC.

Infornography said:
Allright guys,
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
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What do you mean "may"? I have absolutely excluded it. After all this mockery and arrogance from HTC, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I EVER went and bought another one of their devices, at ANY point in the future.

Is it worth it?

Hi Guys
heard this phone can be sluggish. If you apply the tweaks above, do you still thing the phone is sluggish and how long does the battery last? Ive also heard that the cellular reception is crap?
Please give me your honest thoughts.
Please factor in that i'm a power user. I use everything from Word/Excel/Pocket Outlook through to Internet Sharing ... almost constantly.

isn`t there enough reviews and opinion threads onto this device here already ? is it really needed to settle down another one ?
my answer : YES it`s worth

The way I see it is like this. There is no phone that will einterly do what we want. The battery life is not much and it is a bit slow using the touch3d today. But for most part it works very good. It can multi task (so I can listen to music and play a game or internet at the same time)
There will always be those that will love it (I love the phone) and those who will try to bring it down. But that you will get with every phone that will come out.
I am no Iphone lover. Nice design and smoother, but to few programs that or compatible with it.
So you see, it's just where you stand. I guess if you have a girlfriend, you love her, but their will always be things of her you will not like, but you will accept it.

wow nice chap.
A few examples:
Can you just clarify for me if those "reviewers" and opinions have had the tweaks applied? Very few mention the tweaks either installed or not.
Are they heavy Office Mobile users?
I notice very few ... i mean NO .... comments from people using internet sharing.
As for reading reviews online from other site, you can pretty much garuntee they don't have these tweaks installed. I found ONE that did, a guy on CNet in Hong Kong.
So no, there are not enough reviews. I would like to hear from people who have applied these tweaks and use the apps above and internet sharing. i.e. heavy, business users of the Diamond. Anyone out there?
edit: your sig suggests you need to chill out a bit.

Thanks for the response Oddball and indeed you are correct. At the end of the day, its very much personal preference.
Are you an extensive user of Office Mobile and IS? If so, how do you find the phone using these apps (usualy for me, in meetings taking notes etc) and the battery life/performance?

What I think...
I find the device very useful for updating spreadsheets on the move, most of the time i can use the screen as normal with the finger, but depending on what tasks you want to do the stylus may need to come out.
It is great being able to edit, view and send office documents tho. I find the diamond the best of the bunch for doing this. I would say that the Touch Pro maybe better tho, as the QWERTY keyboard brings obvious benefits, see more of the screen when editing documents, more control using the keys and easier data entry.
For me tho the size of the device is important and the Touch Pro looks like its on the porkie side! After owning all manner of Windows Mobile phones and devices, including the Ameo, after having that beast (which if it wasnt for the size I would def rate as the best Windows Mobile Device ive had, 5" VGA Screen and 8gb MicroDrive, excellent stuff) ive got used to not using a hardware keyboard and i prefer the smaller, keyboardless device.
The speed of the Diamond, for me, even without the tweaks, is acceptable. I have 1.37 rom and a UK English or WWE Official UK Stock Diamond. Im more than happy with my device, excellent screen quality, very good in sunlight to. Camera is also very good (with the back cover off! cough cough! htc!!!!!!!! silly buggers!)
Regarding the Internet Sharing, i have not needed to do this as yet but I used to use the feature in the Tmobile Ameo and it was very useful if in a Wifi-less hotel or b&b. I tend to just use the built in Opera Browser and many times this has got me outta using my laptop.
(example - needed to price check an item that i was purchasing so just used Opera Internet Browser and i was tapping around and price checking within minutes)
For me the Diamond is excellent and that is thanks to the dedication and persistance of people on this forum. For me the Diamond experience will only get better.
Hope this helps!

thats all excellent info Tom, thanks very much!!!!!! Just the sort of stuff I am after
Must admit, I currently own a G900 (800x480 screen/qwerty popout) and its awesome for browsing/office etc but, I just can't live without an internal GPS anymore. Its amazing how annoying it is to think "I can just turn on the gps .... no wait, i didn't bring it out with me" gets.
How do you find the battery life whilst doing all that? Do you use push email or pop/smtp? I hear that the cell radio reception is poor, if so, do you find this affecting your battery a lot with regards to email collection/sending?

More on the Diamond Experience...
I do sometimes find that the Signal Strength is a bit poorer than ive had on previous devices, eg the Tmobile Ameo, but im sure with the guys beavering away on this forum it wont be long before a Radio update will fix that. Unless HTC pull their finger out and start taking comments on board and update as often as they can...not holding much hope. Thanks XDA Devs! At least your on the ball!
Battery life, so far, for me personally (who only has Bluetooth / wifi / internet connection when they need it) has been acceptable. Most Windows Mobile phones, when they first come out, suffer from pants battery life. I agree it is a measly capacity battery, but already extended life batteries are coming out, I however, for the moment, wont be purchasing one, but I would say someone such as yourself, it may be worth investing in one if you are to have a constant internet connection via 3G / GPRS or Wifi.
For emailing, usually just checking them I use my Diamond to receive via email via POP accounts and it has been fine doing this. Using both WIFI connections where possible and also using the 3G connection its done this brilliantly but to be honest every Windows Mobile device ive ever owned (going back to 2002 when the first SPV has came out) has been able to do this quickly and painlessly.
I agree with you, having owned a Touch Dual and a Touch and having wished they both had GPS integrated its great having it built in. Initially it took about 5 mins to find the Satellites but after it did this ive found about 20 secs and i have a fix and everythings spot on.
Having the great quality screen also helps to, as the sharp crispness is brilliant and a welcome addition to the already feature rich device that it is.
Full marks HTC for providing a small, very compact, but at the same time a feature rich phone that does everything apart from make you a cuppa tea (but can control your light switches to.... http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4114.html whatever next! hehe!)
Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.

tomchap said:
....Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.
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Exactly!
Again, thanks for a very full and detailed response. I must admit the battery life does concern me ... a lot. As mentioned I have a G900 and with its very high res screen and rubbish 3g radio, it sucks battery life. So much in fact that I virtually doubled its depth with a 3000mah battery. Having said that, I didnt realise extended batteries are already coming out for the Diamond and this gives me some confidence.
As for the email, I too have been very happy with WM devices retrieving/sending. I was more concerned with the battery life with push mail on all the time but, guess you covered that with the extended battery options
I think my next step is now back to google to see what the extended batteries do to the shape and size of the phone.
Thank you very much for your informed and helpfull opinions

Trust me, it's not slow with newer Roms. TLR rom for instance runs great, and using the TFLO3D for 'daily purpose' is just mavellous. Not slow at all.
Just opening mailbox then takes about 3 seconds. Well poe. It's with all WM devices mostly. I can wait 3 seconds ?
PRoblem is people start tapping twice, or tapping other things. Just know how to use it and enjoy it.
It's definatedly worth it.

Extended Life Batteries
No worries, glad I could help.
I found more info on the extended life batterys here
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...he-41-p-p-diamond-extended-battery-available/
You also get shipped a replacement cover to (because of the depth of the battery)
As the diamond is a very slim device anyway I cant see it adding alot of bulk to the device, but like i said, for the moment im gonna stick with it as standard.
I have read somewhere of a 1800mah battery that was half the price of the one above, that may be worth investigating (think it was from Clove in the UK)
If you have any more questions, ask away, I will keep me eye out!

there is indeed and it is by clove!
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=CB077B5C-390D-4153-8EDD-44D1B2BEF716
It also appears to have a flat back rather than the "diamond" type. At 1800mah it should power this little device a few seriously hard worked days

Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...

I think this one could be even better - http://www.easydevices.co.uk/products.asp?partno=BATCRUISEEXTD&model=

I think i remember seeing this one in another thread somewhere. Notice the battery part no BATCRUISEEXTD on the website.
I didnt think the Touch Cruise had the same size battery compartment as the Touch Diamond? Is this just an error on the website, or is it because they just bundle a Touch Diamond bigger back cover with it?
Will be interesting to find out. Thats one huge momma of power!

Re Ext Batteries from Clove...
tomchap said:
Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...
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Got a reply back from Clove today and this is what they said:
Tom
Thank you for the email. We are waiting for the first of these
batteries to come through. As a result at this point we are unable to
comment on how much thickness the battery actually adds.
However based on the manufacturers other extended batteries, we can say
that they keep additional thickness to a minimum and are very good at
ensuring the casing is designed to be as slim and functional as
possible.
Guess its watch this space till they are released then!

well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!

Monty Burns said:
well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!
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good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....

KukurikU said:
good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....
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You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.

Monty Burns said:
You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.
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real problem' real answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406195
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406470
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405174
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406062
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406227
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402039
now look at mi avatar and translate it....

A question about the Tilt and Android before i sell it...

I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!

Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.

Android
Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco

Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.

Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..

MrEous said:
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released

Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.

Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.

I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.

If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)

austinsnyc said:
There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.

aphexacid said:
<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill

Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
slovoflud said:
Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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aphexacid said:
Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.

Upgrade Advice

I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?

AndyCr15 said:
I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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If you can't upgrade until May then you'll get little joy out of Orange I'm afraid. You have to be in the last three months of your contract before they'll let you upgrade. However, saying that you've got nothing to lose by calling them and you may be able to get a deal if you change your package to a more expensive one.
Cal them first before going the eBay route - as I said you've got nothing to lose.
Is it worth it? Hell, yeah! I was torn between the Diamond and waiting for the Pro, but impatience got the better of me and I plumped for the Diamond.
Even though I've only had it a day I can definitely say that it is fantastic! It's up to you if you want to wait for the Pro. I've come from a TyTN II myself and I sat back and really thought about it before going for the Diamond, and basically asked myself two questions:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
2. How much free space did I have on my 4Gb SD card? 2.5Gb, so for me having 4Gb of non-upgradable storage wasn't an issue.
The final thing that swung it for me was the size of the thing. It's good to have a PDA that's "phone sized", rather than being a huge brick.

Thats a good idea Have a word with Orange and twist there arms, see what you can do. I think my missus is due an Upgrade in August and im sure she will go for the Diamond (but as shes skint, I think shes gonna put it on eBay!!!!!!!)
I love my diamond and have used phones with hardware keyboards and like the post above says, how often do you really use it?
Software professionals and IT gurus would probably miss it as im sure using a hardware keyboard and using the Remote Desktop software is a great combination, but the VGA screen is excellent on the Diamond, its the best phone ive ever owned (and ive had quite a few...see my signature!)
Diamond = Thumbs up. Theres sooo much software and tweaks out at the moment with more software coming out just around the corner!
The futures bright, the futures...errr...Diamond? hehe!

Teppic24 said:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
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Wow, how did you cope without the keypad? I think I probably use it 10-20 times a day and this is the main reason I'm holding back on upgrading I guess.
It looks a fantastic piece of kit... but I don't think I'd like using an onscreen keyboard

How long have you been with Orange?
If it's over a couple of years remind them how much money they have had off you and if that doesn't work tell them you will consider cancelling the contract. Generally they want to keep customers so will eventually give in.
Also, it's always good to ask to speak to their line manager if they can't help.

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Why i'm switching to the Iphone.

The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
I paid almost 800$ for a great phone that I expected a lot out of, what did I get? A phone that worked for 20 days and then ****ed up. The entire phone just does not connect when it is not plugged into the wall outlet, and I've used another battery and it still does the same thing, it's a piece of ****.
For the past month I've been trying to get the damn thing to work, I've treated it like a diamond because I've paid as much as I would.
It was awesome for the first 20 days, but now it's useless unless connected to an adapter. Amazing. Mobilecityonline the guys i bought it from are willing to repair it on warranty but it will take 4-6weeks, THATS MORE THAN A MONTH.
I'm ending with my illusion of WM powered phones, goin to the iphone which has basically the same features, not all the looks but god damnit, the tech support is great, and the phone does not lag, and you don't need to cook roms to get the damn thing to work faster.
This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.

So it was awesome until it broke? Why not just get it repaired then?
Hardware fails from time to time, do you think the iphone is bullet proof? You say you've been trying to get it working for the last month, well if you'd just had it repaired under warranty you'd probably have it back by now.

No, 6 weeks is more than a month. That's far too long for a phone to be in repair. The company was ****ty, that's a given, but the phone ****ed up.
My sister has an iphone and has had it since it came out. The thing with apple is, you can walk into an apple store down the street and walk out with a brand new phone. Repairs take 1 day.
HTC America was really nice and offered the European hotline, but they agreed that if I sent it out to them it would take more than a month, 2-3 apparently. And they cannot send me a new phone but would have to repair this one.
I thought this phone was bullet proof, people f'ing compared it to the iphone. It's an amazing phone, but not worth 700$.

And to get even the basic tools from diamond you need to jailbreak the iphone or use the 2.0 appstore(not the good solution)

haha nice one mouseymousey made me chuckle!
good luck with your iphone mate, you'll soon come running back! 'basic'illy has the same features just about sums it up! and make sure you have a good belt to hold your trousers up! ahem.. BRICK lol
like mousey says, hardware can break down, lifes not perfect mate!
if your fridge breaks down are you going to switch to only eating tinned food?

How so? What basic tools does the diamond have that the iphone does not? What are we missing here? Jailbreaking is meaningless anymore because i'm already on the network with the iphone. You still have to pay for WM applications, it's not like the appstore is killing you.

Sorry double posted on accident. Anyways. I'm sorry, everyone on this board has been great, but no one anywhere on the internet could help me solve this problem, and HTCs best support told me to "hard reset" amazing.
I've just realized that WM is too much trouble, and HTC products are and will always be far too expensive for what you get. If the unlocked iphone cost about 700$ with 4/gigs of internal storage people would be ****ing pissed. But nothing about HTC but rather its a supposed competitor. Failed to impress.
Also, hardware does not break down in a matter of days of you getting it, that's ridiculous, that's showing the quality build of the product being really ****ty. Honestly, If i got a fridge from sears, that broke down in a weeks time I would not get the same brand again. The problem is that every product that you get has to work for atleast a couple of months and you have to do something to do it for it to breakdown. For god's sake, I haven't bought a single product that I couldn't fix, this is literally a hardware failure, that wasn't warranted, I didn't even touch the phone the wrong way, I swear to you I have had it in a case as thick as my wallet. It's ridiculous. If you call it a random breakdown that happens every now and then, **** that. 700$ is a lot for me. And a months time for repairs isn't gravy.

bye bye then
ta tar then!

car navigation, copy - paste, does not even exist... good pushmail etc. exchange stuff... remote desktop, video recording, crappy speeds compared to htc on connections, even with the new 3g... just to name few...
i love the use of iphone, theres no comparison to that, but featurewise its no match for diamond

iphone can melt...
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...it's posted on a dutch website which found an article from an american user....
If you don't believe me, here's the link to the dutch website:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/iphone-3g-wordt-ook-erg-heet-en-kan-zelfs-smelten-t3131.html
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5943855&postcount=288
So you'd better think twice before you buy the Iphone...
greetzz Jeroen

oh yes, the '3g' phone that CANT make video calls?? errr, whats the point!!!? haha
iphone sucks big time!

There are so many good reasons to switch to the iPhone (useability, following the masses, trying to look cool, for example), but "because my phone broke" is not one of them when you consider that iPhone users have just been complaining about that very issue - and I'm not speaking about activation problems...
Anyway, have fun. Good luck with the battery.

I'll stick with the Diamond. Its features simply blow the iPhone out of the water. Most importantly for me is that I can easily write my own apps for it.

Car navigation does exist the new 3g has built in GPS. Copy and paste is released with the new 2.1 firmware, mobileme is up and running, HTC's wifi blows donkey, 3g is fast as hell on the iphone.

And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.

Pietje_1985 said:
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...
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So they found the TRUE reason to the clobal warming... iBlaah

Hi Intradvocate, can you please confirm that 6 weeks is longer than a month?

Sure, 31 days in a month (average) 7 days in a week, 4.4 weeks in a month. (divide 31 by 7)

Intradvocate said:
The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
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This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
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I can't help noticing that if the same thing happened to your iphone you would be probably writing similar post. Honestly WM6 is for professional and semi-professional users, perhaps closer to blackberry so if you were looking for an iphone like alternative it was a mistake. I am under no peer pressure in terms of "coolness"- the HTC SD must perform efficiently the business tasks that I throw at it and honestly there is currently no better alternative for my needs.

Intradvocate said:
And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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True, on iPod touch and non 3g iPhone, unfortunatelly the 3g version has not been the best quality from apple... this is quite tough place to get sympathy when changing to iblaah...