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Trying to decide...

Hi!
This post might seem abit anoying or so but I am trying to decide if I should get this phone now or wait and see what happens with the GPS and the memory issue, I can also state I prolly will be a messaging freak like MSN/Skype and so just dont know how bad that will go with the memory issue... also ofc MP3 / Webradio most of the day at work.
I also want to add I have read everything here from day to day just so you know I am not posting this just for a fast shortcut in my life, I basicly want to get some feedback from ppl that have used this phone more the just a simple review on Google ^^
so... basicly I have some fast questions
1. Do you find the memory beeing an issue if I wanna run MSN/Skype/Music at the same time (ofc Skype / Music aint at the same time but Skype will prolly be online in the backgruond for incomming calls)
2. The battery I also read is somewhat of a issue, also read about the ppl trying to find bigger ones but will it like last 8-10 hours if I use it like in question 1.
3. I also read somewhere that the Basic verison of WM6 dont have as much support for programs like the Pro does? (Not as many programs made for Basic?) and if that is true I have noooooo clue at all
If I come to think of soemthing more later I'll ask again.
Well thx in advance to the ppl that will give me some guidance in my life here during new year times and with to much money in my christmas gifts I wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
//Belaial

my long road to the s730 wings
I dont know if this will answer any of your questions but I thought it was appropriate enough to post.
I started with the T-Mobile Dash which is indentical to the HTC s620. I broke the screen right away and instead of replacing it I decided to purchase an unlocked version I could use with my T-Mobile account while travelling abroad. (I have since learned I could have just unlocked my Dash) Well broke that screen too...I guess the phone is a bit too wide to be shoved in a pocket. I then purchased an unlocked TYTN II (Kaiser) which is identical to the ATT Tilt but since I had T-Mobile I went for the unlocked version. The Kaiser was a nice upgrade from the s620 since it has a faster processor and WM6 Pro. It also has GPS which I purchased the TomTom software for only to find out that I liked my TomTom in my car better and never used it on the phone. It was nice that the screen tilted but it was like carrying around a lead weight all the time. I also hated the touch screen because it kept hitting buttons when I would use the phone. I then purchased an Iphone and switched to ATT (could have got the tilt in the first place). Hated the Iphone for the following reasons:
1. No 3G
2. Slippery and wants to jump out of your hand
3. Cannot install third party apps
4. No USB connector
5. Email sucked and didnt sync with outlook
6. ITunes wouldnt install on Vista64-bit
I will say that the iphone had an amazing screen and is great for thsoe who want the "wow" factor but for those like me who text and email a ton it just wasnt good enought especially since you cannot install any third party apps.
My good friend owns an s710 and I really love it so i decided to purchase that s730 which is basically a 710 with a faster processor and 3g. I love this phone so far and the only downside is they didnt give it the htc rubber backing my s620 and kaiser had. It doesnt slip though but the rubber would have been nice.
If you are looking for speed I feel it is fast for a smartphone and is faster than the kaiser probably due to a bit smaller screen and less demanding apps. The memory is not a problem and everything seems to work great so far. The battery seems to last twice as long as the kaiser which only lasted a day. I am hoping to get at least two days but with a smartphone more than a day is good. Overall I think the s730 is a powerhouse in a small package. It is what I have been waiting for in a phone. It could be a bit slimmer but I guess I will have to wait for another version Hope this helps!

Yeah thx for the Re:
Might go ahead and order one soon then ^^

yup second day now and battery still has 30% left since it came out of the box (havent charged it once yet). I talked on it all day too but didnt use much of the keyboard or internet/bluetooth. The battery life is plenty good enough!

i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677

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i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677
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Thx for all replies, I will take everything in cosideration

Hi,
I got this phone only for one week now, but I must say I am amazed. I was going for the Kaiser, but that's too heavy for me to put in my pants
The Wings is still a bit heavy, but it's amazing what it can do. I use it for phone/pushmail/calendar/sms and can type pretty fast on that little keyboard now.
I do however charge it every night, but with regular use of mail I can hold it for 2 days.
The UMTS/HSDPA works flawless and at home / office it switches to WiFi perfectly.
My Audi A4 Carkit recognises the phone and I can even use the Audi software to dial/see diallog (missed/received calls etc), where my Nokia N73 just would only connect and I had to use the N73 keypad.
If only the GPS could also come to live, it is my ideal phone!
Hans

HTC cannot be taken seriously

The Diamond is not up to the job. Again HTC have sacrificed robustness for design, it looks great but it is simply not up to the job.
I have had HTC phones for years, by far the most attractive phones on the market, but they always drop calls, need excessive resetting or are just slow.
After a year without an HTC phone I bought a Diamond but once again it cannot be used as my main phone.
Staying away on business last night I set my alarm for 6am, closed all apps, turned plane mode on and switched the device off. It had around 60% battery charge in it at that time.
Next thing I know the phone is ringing telling me my taxi is waiting to take me to the office...the PHONE IS DEAD...NO POWER.
There seems to be a huge memory leak that discharged the battery over a number of hours with apparently nothing running.
I'm so frustrated that HTC have lured me in again with their fancy design phone that simply cannot deliver the basics. Why do people keep buying their devices?
Can't wait for the Xperia to be released, in my experience Sony's build quality is exemplary. Anyone want a Diamond?!!

You know that the Sony Xperia X1 ist made by HTC as well?

Its a shame you are having these issues, my Diamond is fine, fair enough its not getting used for business so use is light to meduim on a day to day basis and it does need a soft reset every now and then but, I can leave mine on 1 battery bar and put to sleep for the night and it won't probably die till mid morning so as to why yours is draining so fast, especially from 60% I don't know. I am reasonably happy with mine to say how small the battery is.
Personally I don't think this phone is marketed for business users, thats what the touch pro is for, the diamonds battery just doesn't have the stamina for business use!
Personally I found my battery very poor at the start but then after each charge it seemed to get better and better. I always fully discharged before charging on the first 5 charges and do try to keep up to that, even though the lithium ion shouldn't really make any difference but its not always possible!
if it is for business I would wait for the Touch Pro, looks just as good and better battery!! etc!!!
Rich

Thanks for your reply. I do not use it as my business phone, I have a separate, infallible Nokia for that. It is my personal phone - I simply set the alarm clock on it - thought it would at least be able to wake me up!

Ok, 60% should be plenty to last 1 night in sleep mode, had you been using GPS / Google Maps, I believe their is a battery issue with google maps.

Well, let's not blame this on HTC now...I believe the problem lies with Bill Gates.
cojones said:
Thanks for your reply. I do not use it as my business phone, I have a separate, infallible Nokia for that. It is my personal phone - I simply set the alarm clock on it - thought it would at least be able to wake me up!
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I think you are doing something wrong. When I got my Diamond and it was still on the original charge it came with, I got the almost empty battery message when I went to bed. It went to standby and the next morning the alarm went off like it was supposed to. Sure, after it went of for about 10 secs the battery died but still it lasted a whole night while the battery was near empty so there must be something wrong if your battery dies so fast.

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I think you are doing something wrong. When I got my Diamond and it was still on the original charge it came with, I got the almost empty battery message when I went to bed. It went to standby and the next morning the alarm went off like it was supposed to. Sure, after it went of for about 10 secs the battery died but still it lasted a whole night while the battery was near empty so there must be something wrong if your battery dies so fast.
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Thanks but this isn't really that helpful to me. Remember it was 60% at 11pm but didn't last the night.

cojones said:
Thanks but this isn't really that helpful to me. Remember it was 60% at 11pm but didn't last the night.
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Maybe you should have chosen another thread title if you wanted to have help. I thought YOU could not been taken seriosly. Anyway maybe you´ve used Google maps, there seems to be a bug. Google maps seems not to close the GPS so the battery is draining really quick. Or you even have a faulty cell.

Hamudi2000 said:
Maybe you should have chosen another thread title if you wanted to have help. I thought YOU could not been taken seriosly. Anyway maybe you´ve used Google maps, there seems to be a bug. Google maps seems not to close the GPS so the battery is draining really quick. Or you even have a faulty cell.
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I too think there is something wrong with your device or setting, mine was at 70% at 11:30pm, phone function is on, push mail is on, and another 2 POP3 mail are on for geting mail every 15 mins, this morning at 9:30am, it's at 50%, so you might want to look into this.

I fully agree with you. When it comes to ROM development, HTC is very slow and delivers a lot of buggy firmwares.
With the initial Diamond ROM my device came with, it was almost unusable, battery life was a joke too.
Now I'm using the latest TLR ROM which I can highly recommend. It makes out of a nice piece of hardware a usable piece of hardware. Not perfect, not even close to iPhone touch performance/usability but usable and probably close to perfection considering what is(technically) possible with Windows Mobile 6.1(which was never designed to be used with a finger but with a stylus).
The problem about flashing cooked ROMS is: you loose your warranty. I know this sucks, the OEM ROM is hardly usable and flashing even a different region ROM to your Diamond could void the warranty, this is something I don't understand.
If HTC wants to keep us happy, they need to release ROM updates MUCH FASTER than they do right now and please through OFFICIAL CHANNELS too.
I doesn't help customers too much if they need to come here to find the latest official ROMs to be able to make their expensive HTC toys work. The latest ROM versions need to be available on the local HTC support websites. What is the e-Club worth if they offer new ROMs once a year?!
The best approach is actually the way the TLR ROM handles updates. The AppToDate application is a treat and something HTC should seriously consider implementing into their ROMs. Unfortunately so much can go wrong, this is probably the reason why Nokia pulled the OTA Updates from most of their phones(where it was available), sad story.
So if you're willing to risk your warranty, you may be able to be happy with your Diamond after reflashing it with a cooked ROM from this forum.
If not, you better return it because honestly, without xda-developers and the fantastic cooked ROMs, HTC would probably sell only half of the devices they sell now. I would have NEVER EVER bought another HTC phone without the hope that some smart people over here would be able to deliver a decent and good working ROM.
HTC and Microsoft should kiss the feet of the makers/owners of xda-developers because without this site, I would have NEVER bought another HTC/WM device anymore. Honestly.

P996 said:
I would have NEVER EVER bought another HTC phone without the hope that some smart people over here would be able to deliver a decent and good working ROM.
HTC and Microsoft should kiss the feet of the makers/owners of xda-developers because without this site, I would have NEVER bought another HTC/WM device anymore. Honestly.
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I couldn't have put it better myself.

P996 said:
I fully agree with you. When it comes to ROM development, HTC is very slow and delivers a lot of buggy firmwares.
With the initial Diamond ROM my device came with, it was almost unusable, battery life was a joke too.
Now I'm using the latest TLR ROM which I can highly recommend. It makes out of a nice piece of hardware a usable piece of hardware. Not perfect, not even close to iPhone touch performance/usability but usable and probably close to perfection considering what is(technically) possible with Windows Mobile 6.1(which was never designed to be used with a finger but with a stylus).
The problem about flashing cooked ROMS is: you loose your warranty. I know this sucks, the OEM ROM is hardly usable and flashing even a different region ROM to your Diamond could void the warranty, this is something I don't understand.
If HTC wants to keep us happy, they need to release ROM updates MUCH FASTER than they do right now and please through OFFICIAL CHANNELS too.
I doesn't help customers too much if they need to come here to find the latest official ROMs to be able to make their expensive HTC toys work. The latest ROM versions need to be available on the local HTC support websites. What is the e-Club worth if they offer new ROMs once a year?!
The best approach is actually the way the TLR ROM handles updates. The AppToDate application is a treat and something HTC should seriously consider implementing into their ROMs. Unfortunately so much can go wrong, this is probably the reason why Nokia pulled the OTA Updates from most of their phones(where it was available), sad story.
So if you're willing to risk your warranty, you may be able to be happy with your Diamond after reflashing it with a cooked ROM from this forum.
If not, you better return it because honestly, without xda-developers and the fantastic cooked ROMs, HTC would probably sell only half of the devices they sell now. I would have NEVER EVER bought another HTC phone without the hope that some smart people over here would be able to deliver a decent and good working ROM.
HTC and Microsoft should kiss the feet of the makers/owners of xda-developers because without this site, I would have NEVER bought another HTC/WM device anymore. Honestly.
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Exactly my sentiments. Without XDA Forums, I would not ever have bought another WM phone. Thanks to all the guys who spend their time and energy for cooking ROM's for us whch make our devices so better.

Interesting to read this.
I have this exact problem intermittently with my Niki (Touch Dual) I complained to Orange UK & they sent me a replacement battery a couple of months ago.
Its happened three times since & now they are sending me a replacement phone. Hopefully this will sort the problem, I wonder if its something specific to flight mode as it only happens to me when I put it in flight mode.
If I were you I'd try & get a replacement from wherever you purchased the phone.

This is and always has been a common problem with WM phones. There is some program running somewhere which is draining the battery.
Along with the Pro's of anyone being able to make a WM app, comes the con that it doesnt need to be heavily tested on multiple devices.
If you tried the exact same thing after a soft reset, without launching any third party tools, i bet you won't have the problem. Your only solutions are to narrow down which program it is (probably google maps), or just not use third party tools untill others verify they work fine.
This isnt a HTC problem, its a WM problem.

To be honest, this is my first WM device and i have to say im quite impressed by it...i did have a WM device a few yrs back..think it was running WM5 and was from O2...big chunky looking pda/phone...cant remember the name of it. But having that for a few days just made me realise just how rubbish WM devices are...but that was before i discovered this gem of a forum.
As for the Diamond?...i love it absolutely love it...but my only major gripe is with the battery...if anything its going to put alot of people off...i really do not understand why HTC decided to go with such a low capacity battery...even with the tweaks applied its still not up to the job imo...my Diamond charged 100% this morning...made a few calls and received a few calls. Sent a few sms and received a few...checking my email every hr etc etc and my battery is now down to 2 bars :/....which just proves to me that HTC really screwed up in the battery dept...theres no way this device can handle all that power without a decent sized battery. But as usual HTC will put out an extended battery to rip us off some more. Thats the only thing that doesnt impress me about HTC and the Diamond. Other than that its a joy to use.
Up until Sunday i was seriously thinking of returning the phone but thanks to the guys here at XDA forums...i applied the tweaks that was mentioned and the phone is now much much better...so like a few other posters...if it wasnt for this place...i wouldnt even bother with a WM device. So a big big thanks to this community...because of you guys im keeping my Diamond.
Now if they would only get a bloody higher capacity battery out soon!!!

someone1234 said:
If you tried the exact same thing after a soft reset, without launching any third party tools, i bet you won't have the problem. Your only solutions are to narrow down which program it is (probably google maps), or just not use third party tools untill others verify they work fine.
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Interesting idea & quite probably correct, however when my phone has discharged its after I've closed all apps via taskman & put it in plane mode.
Also sadly I'm still running vanilla flavour orange uk rom, locked with no additional apps... Which could very well be the source of my problems!
Must do more faffing when my replacement comes through

Spawn12 said:
i really do not understand why HTC decided to go with such a low capacity battery
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It is for the design, HTC wanted to make a smaller phone as Apple has.
The designers had no idea about the engineering, about WM, etc.
And here we are now charging the phone once a day as we done in years ago when we had Compaq iPAQ PocketPCs.

Spawn12 said:
But as usual HTC will put out an extended battery to rip us off some more.
Now if they would only get a bloody higher capacity battery out soon!!!
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no my friend...
ripping you off would be making the battery non-removable and removing a sim card with a paper clip.

wu5262 said:
I too think there is something wrong with your device or setting, mine was at 70% at 11:30pm, phone function is on, push mail is on, and another 2 POP3 mail are on for geting mail every 15 mins, this morning at 9:30am, it's at 50%, so you might want to look into this.
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Fot the pop3, where you trigering the wi-fi every 15 mins? if yes, no wonder you kill your battery so fast.

HTC Diamond NOT recommended!

Sorry to have posted

Personnaly I have to say that i used palm product for years, and blackberry too, I've been using a QTEK 9100 for two years and now switch to the Diamond and I'm really impressed...
Everything I had to say against any of my preivous machine is 'corrected' in the diamond...
Of course, it's a device running with windows mobile, so it requires tweaking, it's a hardware for geek...
I won't give it to my wife (I bought her a qtek 8500 (star trek)) but it's a really impressive piece of tech (I don't care about the multipoint of the Iphone... I really prefer the zooming option for opera...)
Don't get me wrong, I really understand how a lot of people could get frustrated or desapointed with this, but I had to give my opinion too...

Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..

darthbane2k said:
Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...

harvsHK76 said:
I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
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I'm so glad that you took the time to register on this forum and make this post your first.
Another 'Diamond is [email protected]' thread is exactly what we need here.
Thanks for sharing...

harvsHK76 said:
The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
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never heard of warranty right?

KukurikU said:
you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...
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HTC Diamond NOT recommended!
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I quite avidly read through all forums relating to HTC products and fully appreciate the work that alot of more experienced people do within XDA-developers. However...
I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
Please take note!
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will you sell it

harvsHK76 said:
Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
Please take note!
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If the Phone is complete empty, it takes some time to charge. If you use not the original usb cable it probably won´t work to charge the phone with the pc, so use the "normal" ac charger and wait at least 10 mins before you try to switch it on.
And yes, the Diamond is probably not the most userfrendly phone. But most people who buy expect a bit more than just a phone.
For me it is the best machine i ever tried. It´s the first phone wich combine the latest technic features with a unbelievable form factor! No windows mobile phone on the market can reach this combination.
Sure, there are o lot of real nice phones out there, wich are better in some points.

diamond recommended
Had my diamond about 2 months got it when it first showed up. This is a fun pda and very reliable for me. The battery is not a problem for me. I have a car charger!!
My daughter has an iphone. Nice phone, not a pda, cant do half of what i can with my diamond. Some features are better on the iphone, but the Diamond overall outshines it. I like a small compact phone. The iphone is big compared to the Diamond. I cant put the programs that i have on my Diamond on the iphone. No iphone for me. Sure I could have 2 iphones (or more) for what i paid for my Diamond, but then i would have two PHONES only. Iphones just dont do it for us PDA people. Hope iphone does good with their new release. Not for those who want a true pda. If anyone just wants a phone...i would choose iphone.

The OP has only 1 post and it's just a post to b!tch and whine about the phone - most likely you either have a dud phone or you have not upgraded the ROM to the latest local/cooked ROM and have not tweaked it to its current (not yet full) potential. Yes the phone does have it's crap here and there but overall it's a good phone.

Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.

bull crap!!!
the Diamond is excellent i dont know where you guys fell out of but no hassels at all

Everyone, calm down ;-) I am not an 'apple shill' nor am I a moron! Read my message; I am clearly stating that I (as a not so-experienced user) have had problems that disappoint me with this particular phone! I have had a TYTN also before.
In response:
Andrax: I have installed the 'recommended tweaks' and have had to hard reset at least 5 times! But I do appreciate your response.
Darthbane2K: I had noted that I have never had an iphone before. Take it easy mate! Apple dont pay my wages
kukurikU: thanks for your support!
horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
farukb: probably not; though I am disappointed (the actual point of this thread)
Eurosportler: Thank you for your helpful and appreciated post.
BTW: As noted by 'p3eps'; this is my first post.... delete it if you dont like it!

God sake moan moan moan, you are on this forum for a reason right! That is to use the improved custom roms that help bring out the better of the phone. Too many people are impatient and dont read the instructions properly.
I for one will definately keep to this phone and know it has more potential to improve each time with the brilliant cooks coming out with great roms.
If you dont like the phone sell the phone, simple as. You can see on my list of phones that I have been more or less a htc or windows based phone for years and each phone got better and better with new and improved roms.
Im sorry but i back the Diamond to be a great phone and im sure im not the only one.

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horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
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really? this sucks!
In germany (I think in the EU too, too bad for the UK) the manufacturer has to give you a warranty of 2 years on every electronic device and the dealer where you bought it 1 year!

69reichertm said:
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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@3#...! &***!!! & dhahhh!
Hello!

Sorry to have posted.

darthbane2k said:
Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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Hehehehhe
Most of them would be completely lost anywhere outside of that tightly controlled apple universe.
Remember second best they are.

69reichertm said:
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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Dude get the hell out of here and go make a line for your fruity phone with al those duchessss. I smell fruity fan boy here.

Guys... i have a question for you if it happens that anyone knows ... I've been a Iphone user and sold my Iphone few weeks ago for the Diamond... it is still in delivery so didn't have time to check the responsiveness yet.
Well, the point is that on the Iphone all the touchs had an immediate response and everything was real fast loading. I m guessing that disabling multitasking is having something with this responsiveness but still, do you guys know how much RAM the iphone has compared to the diamond and what CPU that it use. This is only for the sake of comparaison !!!!
I 'm also thinking why would HTC not put moer RAM into their devices as it costs nothing theses days ... having 528Mb or even 1Gb of RAM would make the day of all of us i guess ...
Please correct me if i'm wrong .....

Nokia E71

Hi Guys, I don't know too much about the difference in phones, I know I love the HTC Trinity but, my Network is offering me a Nokia E71 as an free upgrade, is it worth it?
I tried to read a little about the Nokia E71 and it sounds good so far however, am I gonna be as happy as I am with my HTC Trinity, is there anything I am gonna miss? I will always be a part of this forum regardless of which phone I use.

its a NICE phone. I think it looks a bit gaudy, but the keyboard's nice. And i've developed an intense hatred of wm, so any cahnge is nice.

fzzyrn said:
its a NICE phone. I think it looks a bit gaudy, but the keyboard's nice. And i've developed an intense hatred of wm, so any cahnge is nice.
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Hi fzzyrn, thanks for replying. It interest me what you said about WM, do you think Symbian OS would be any better before it is cooked? Can you bake/cook Symbian ROM? Hmmmmmmmmmn, I am here doing some serious thinking.

no idea about the rom cooking, but it doesn't seem likely. You see, alot of higher end nokia users are businesspeople, and nokia is generally pretty good about software optimization.
i dont like that i have to install a whole bunch of software to get my phone the way that i want it when the e71 (or e61i in my case) already comes with pretty much everything that i use. Also, i've found touchscreen wm to be a bit difficult to use.
the question is, what do i use?
The answer- calender, alarm clock, phone, contacts (alot of them), sms, email.
i wont say the wm isn't "fun", but for the kind of stuff i do, its not particularly easy to use, and i get impatient waiting for the slide keyboard to change screen orientation.

What netowrk you on, if you haggle a bit, you might be able to get the Diamond if they offer it.
I used UIQ (so symbian, but not exactly S60) amd it was great. I had a P1i and it was touchscreen. It worked fine for what I wanted, but was a bit slow in opening things.
Overall, for calendar, contacts email, the small things symbian is ok, for word, excel, long periods internet browsing, stick with wm
Rory

Free E71 upgrade? Take it dude!h

h4waii said:
Free E71 upgrade? Take it dude!h
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LOL, I wanted to take it, the network sales rep made it seems like the best thing since slice bread. I will take it then, to be honest i wanted to wait a bit longer to see if they'll carry the Diamond. I don't think Three UK is gonna carry the diamond anytime soon.
From what I've heard, they are best suited for Symbian Operated Phones. My Trinity is actually from Orange (got it from my wife, she had issues with the touchscreen) but i unlocked it and now I am using it on 3 uk.
The TYTNII is the only wm phone they carry and I heard it isn't going too well on the network.
Oh well, I wanted a diamond but a E71 will work just fine I guess. I use my phone mostly for business (email, contacts, calendar task, notes, etc.) I don't use the MS Office application that much, all that could wait untill i get to the Office. I do surf the web a lot though especially when I am out on site. I really appreciate the feedback on the subject

yep. go ahead and get it.
send me your trinity if you want hinthint.

Send me the E71 if you don't like it, hinthint.

I have more posts than he does hinthint.
REAL subtle.

Bump...I have more posts than above!

touche, galaxys. touche.
yet i have more posts per day.

Sorry guys, sorry to disappoint you all but my wife wants to have a go at the Trinity again. Sorry!
I am going to Order the Nokia sometimes this week and see how it goes, at least if i don't like it I can send back if it is under 14 days. I'll keep you posted.

RingTone01 said:
Sorry guys, sorry to disappoint you all but my wife wants to have a go at the Trinity again. Sorry!
I am going to Order the Nokia sometimes this week and see how it goes, at least if i don't like it I can send back if it is under 14 days. I'll keep you posted.
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if you get it for free, of course, take it.
using it is a different story. i used nokia for several years (symbian 60 and 80) but since i am used to WM and the forum here, no chance for nokia anymore (only for my wife)

I have another thought guys. Check this out, I can now switch network and go with o2, get an iphone or stick with 3 and get a Nokia E71 or a TyTnII.
The Nokia 71 is new, iphone 3G is new and the TyTnII is old, been out since 2006 I think. The iphone I would have to pay some money for but that unlimited data plan and hotspot is a bit interesting to me. It is getting a bit complex for me now.

what do you use your phone for?
if you're heavily into business and calender, stick with the e71
if you're a "birkenstock wearing, clove-smoking vegetarian hippie" (not my words, 500xp if you can identify origin), get the iphone. Actually if you listen to music pretty heavily and you don't mind the software keyboard, get the iphone.
DON'T get the kaiser. What with the age, the video drivers (the mobile division of ati closed down, its that bad...) and the size, its not particularly worth it.

fzzyrn said:
what do you use your phone for?
if you're a "birkenstock wearing, clove-smoking vegetarian hippie" (not my words, 500xp if you can identify origin), get the iphone. Actually if you listen to music pretty heavily and you don't mind the software keyboard, get the iphone.
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I've been hearing that phrase since college and to be honest, I never knew where it came from. I was busy googling the phrase and still haven't found its origin, i give up, you are gonna have to do me a favor and tell me.

its a term that the Princeton Review uses to describe the most politically liberal schools and institutions.
There may be another origin, but this is the one that i picked it up from.

fzzyrn said:
its a term that the Princeton Review uses to describe the most politically liberal schools and institutions.
There may be another origin, but this is the one that i picked it up from.
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It would have to be one of them Ivy Leaguers huh?

I've put a entire twist in this phone hunting thing. I just happen to Call a certain network about their phones and plans and guess what? When I got off the phone to them, there is a diamond on it's way to me, will get it Tuesday. 700minutes, unlimited text, free htc diamond all for £30 a month. Did I mess uip or did i get a deal.
I was looking forward to the Nokia E71 but, the screen too small, got used to a bigger screen. The keys are too small, I kept hitting a few of them at ones. Other than that it is a great phone. Someone told me not to use the touchflo on the diamond and I'll be ok. Is that true?

Why i'm switching to the Iphone.

The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
I paid almost 800$ for a great phone that I expected a lot out of, what did I get? A phone that worked for 20 days and then ****ed up. The entire phone just does not connect when it is not plugged into the wall outlet, and I've used another battery and it still does the same thing, it's a piece of ****.
For the past month I've been trying to get the damn thing to work, I've treated it like a diamond because I've paid as much as I would.
It was awesome for the first 20 days, but now it's useless unless connected to an adapter. Amazing. Mobilecityonline the guys i bought it from are willing to repair it on warranty but it will take 4-6weeks, THATS MORE THAN A MONTH.
I'm ending with my illusion of WM powered phones, goin to the iphone which has basically the same features, not all the looks but god damnit, the tech support is great, and the phone does not lag, and you don't need to cook roms to get the damn thing to work faster.
This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.

So it was awesome until it broke? Why not just get it repaired then?
Hardware fails from time to time, do you think the iphone is bullet proof? You say you've been trying to get it working for the last month, well if you'd just had it repaired under warranty you'd probably have it back by now.

No, 6 weeks is more than a month. That's far too long for a phone to be in repair. The company was ****ty, that's a given, but the phone ****ed up.
My sister has an iphone and has had it since it came out. The thing with apple is, you can walk into an apple store down the street and walk out with a brand new phone. Repairs take 1 day.
HTC America was really nice and offered the European hotline, but they agreed that if I sent it out to them it would take more than a month, 2-3 apparently. And they cannot send me a new phone but would have to repair this one.
I thought this phone was bullet proof, people f'ing compared it to the iphone. It's an amazing phone, but not worth 700$.

And to get even the basic tools from diamond you need to jailbreak the iphone or use the 2.0 appstore(not the good solution)

haha nice one mouseymousey made me chuckle!
good luck with your iphone mate, you'll soon come running back! 'basic'illy has the same features just about sums it up! and make sure you have a good belt to hold your trousers up! ahem.. BRICK lol
like mousey says, hardware can break down, lifes not perfect mate!
if your fridge breaks down are you going to switch to only eating tinned food?

How so? What basic tools does the diamond have that the iphone does not? What are we missing here? Jailbreaking is meaningless anymore because i'm already on the network with the iphone. You still have to pay for WM applications, it's not like the appstore is killing you.

Sorry double posted on accident. Anyways. I'm sorry, everyone on this board has been great, but no one anywhere on the internet could help me solve this problem, and HTCs best support told me to "hard reset" amazing.
I've just realized that WM is too much trouble, and HTC products are and will always be far too expensive for what you get. If the unlocked iphone cost about 700$ with 4/gigs of internal storage people would be ****ing pissed. But nothing about HTC but rather its a supposed competitor. Failed to impress.
Also, hardware does not break down in a matter of days of you getting it, that's ridiculous, that's showing the quality build of the product being really ****ty. Honestly, If i got a fridge from sears, that broke down in a weeks time I would not get the same brand again. The problem is that every product that you get has to work for atleast a couple of months and you have to do something to do it for it to breakdown. For god's sake, I haven't bought a single product that I couldn't fix, this is literally a hardware failure, that wasn't warranted, I didn't even touch the phone the wrong way, I swear to you I have had it in a case as thick as my wallet. It's ridiculous. If you call it a random breakdown that happens every now and then, **** that. 700$ is a lot for me. And a months time for repairs isn't gravy.

bye bye then
ta tar then!

car navigation, copy - paste, does not even exist... good pushmail etc. exchange stuff... remote desktop, video recording, crappy speeds compared to htc on connections, even with the new 3g... just to name few...
i love the use of iphone, theres no comparison to that, but featurewise its no match for diamond

iphone can melt...
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...it's posted on a dutch website which found an article from an american user....
If you don't believe me, here's the link to the dutch website:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/iphone-3g-wordt-ook-erg-heet-en-kan-zelfs-smelten-t3131.html
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5943855&postcount=288
So you'd better think twice before you buy the Iphone...
greetzz Jeroen

oh yes, the '3g' phone that CANT make video calls?? errr, whats the point!!!? haha
iphone sucks big time!

There are so many good reasons to switch to the iPhone (useability, following the masses, trying to look cool, for example), but "because my phone broke" is not one of them when you consider that iPhone users have just been complaining about that very issue - and I'm not speaking about activation problems...
Anyway, have fun. Good luck with the battery.

I'll stick with the Diamond. Its features simply blow the iPhone out of the water. Most importantly for me is that I can easily write my own apps for it.

Car navigation does exist the new 3g has built in GPS. Copy and paste is released with the new 2.1 firmware, mobileme is up and running, HTC's wifi blows donkey, 3g is fast as hell on the iphone.

And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.

Pietje_1985 said:
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...
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So they found the TRUE reason to the clobal warming... iBlaah

Hi Intradvocate, can you please confirm that 6 weeks is longer than a month?

Sure, 31 days in a month (average) 7 days in a week, 4.4 weeks in a month. (divide 31 by 7)

Intradvocate said:
The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
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This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
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I can't help noticing that if the same thing happened to your iphone you would be probably writing similar post. Honestly WM6 is for professional and semi-professional users, perhaps closer to blackberry so if you were looking for an iphone like alternative it was a mistake. I am under no peer pressure in terms of "coolness"- the HTC SD must perform efficiently the business tasks that I throw at it and honestly there is currently no better alternative for my needs.

Intradvocate said:
And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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True, on iPod touch and non 3g iPhone, unfortunatelly the 3g version has not been the best quality from apple... this is quite tough place to get sympathy when changing to iblaah...