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battery problems?

i have started experiencing problems with my hima in that it shuts down now at around 20% battery automatically. didnt have this problem before. it started happening one day after i flashed a new rom. im using the same programs i used before. the only things that have changed are its gotten really cold now(could that affect the battery performance?) and i flashed the rom from a different pc than i usually use. any1 make anything out of this?

This has been a problem since WM6..its common..try using different Radio roms and search around the forum for more info

i was using wm6 before this started happening... there were no problems then. and i didnt flash the radio rom when i upgraded either. its the same radio. its like one day the phone decided it would stop working at 20% :S

i once saw the battery @ 3% on wm6... and it was still working...

xPreSiDenT said:
i once saw the battery @ 3% on wm6... and it was still working...
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That's the ideal situation and it fortunately still works this way for me.
Which ROM and which radio version are you currently running and which ROM did work till 3%?

i was using c_shekhars 7.0b rom at the time n i flashed 7.0c after that. this problem didnt start immediately after installing 7.0c but after quite a long time(many recharge cycles later). I have never upgraded radio rom ever since i got the device n its 1.10.00. Just flashed one of sonblacks roms from pdaviet.net and its going fine till yet. I hope the problems gone although havent had a chance to let the battery drain yet.

Thanks, this is the most detailed report of what actually happened in this subject that I've seen so far. And it looks ike proof of what I already expected: that it's not part of the logic in any given ROM but more likely a symptom of a slowly dying battery. If it would have anything to do with the ROM, it should happen to all with identical devices and all directly after burning the ROM.
It is however true that WM5 and WM6 are more battery hungry than WM2003 and it's likely that these operating systems respond more critical to battery problems. Together that would indeed mean that you'd notice battery problems much earlier. So if battery life is your primary concern it's likely that going back to WM2003 would lengthen both your battery life and the time you can use it per charge.
I can't find exact reports on the production period of the Himalaya, some say the first ones were spotted as early as 1999 (probably mistaken device identity) and I'm sure that I haven't seen them in the shops from late 2004.
This type of LiIon battery probably has an average lifespan of 300 full cycles so indeed the first unlucky ones should drop out by now. If that happens to you right after flashing a ROM it comes natural to blame the ROM.
Beware! I've seen at least one report of someone who bought a "new" battery that performed even worse than the one that came with his Hima. LiIon batteries have a long, but still limited shelf life when not charged regularly. And I personally noticed when buying camera batteries that quality does have a price tag, buy from reliable sources, read return policy.
I'm currently studying if there is a way to bring down WM6 battery drain but can't make any promises if I'll ever succeed.
One last point: I once thought that the sudden burst of energy consumption that flashing a ROM is could be the culprit, but abandoned that thought. So far none of the developers and ROM cooks in these forums, who all regularly flash, reported battery problems that I'm aware of. Now I tend to believe that most of them charge so regularly and hardly ever discharge to the limit that this behaviour actually increases battery life.

I agree it must have something to do with the battery dying. Ive just set my device to stay on with bluetooth enabled and audio files playing. battery is at 28% right now. i hope it doesn't die at 20%.

nope it didnt keep on going. died at 20% so i guess no turning back for the battery now. will have to try and keep it fully charged all the time :S anyone know how much a new battery costs?

xPreSiDenT said:
nope it didnt keep on going. died at 20% so i guess no turning back for the battery now. will have to try and keep it fully charged all the time :S anyone know how much a new battery costs?
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it wouldn't hurt to try radio 1.17 and you still can see how long it lasts in its current condition. These batteries are widely available on Ebay, from very cheap up to very expensive triple sized with extra extended back cover. See for yourself if you trust an ebay seller or if you prefer to shop locally with ebay prices in the back of your mind.
Beware, original HTC batteries are relatively rare on Ebay, if the offer doesn't say "original" be sure it's a clone.
I once bought bad clone batteries for a camera, they came with "3 year guarantee" but the seller disappeared in less than a year.

ok can i upgrade the radio without changing or affecting the rom n all my saved files etc? would it change anything in the OS? i most probably wont be buying stuff off ebay coz might be too expensive.. wat with all the shipping costs etc amounting to almost the same as the batteries cost. you said once a guy bought a new battery with worse performance. is there any way to check battery performance at the time of buying(ie any softwares)?

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Hi,
I'm using Tofclock WM6 and radio 1.17 - works well and the PDA shuts down somewhere around 3 % !
So long
HonkBB

most of the regular people on this forum use radio 1.17 and none of them has so far reported battery problems.
It doesn't prove anything, I've never seen a red car with a flat tyre (true) but I still can't conclude that red cars for some mysterious reason never have flat tyres. There even might be some causal explanation:
-psychology of ppl buying red cars
-I see a lot less red cars than blue, black, white, metalic
-more women than men drive red cars, women are perhaps more careful about buying fresh tyres in time.
Conclusion, it never hurts to try

do i have to hard reset my device after flashing the radio?

From my experience its the battery.
With my previous battery, my hima was shutting down at 20-30% and i couldnt switch on the machine until i charge it.
I bought a new battery , I've experience using my himalaya to 1%, and it can still turn on.
-Erman

xPreSiDenT said:
do i have to hard reset my device after flashing the radio?
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no you dont need to do a hard reset. A reset would suffice.
-Erman

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Hi,
Maggy said:
most of the regular people on this forum use radio 1.17 and none of them has so far reported battery problems.
It doesn't prove anything, I've never seen a red car with a flat tyre (true) but I still can't conclude that red cars for some mysterious reason never have flat tyres. There even might be some causal explanation:
-psychology of ppl buying red cars
-I see a lot less red cars than blue, black, white, metalic
-more women than men drive red cars, women are perhaps more careful about buying fresh tyres in time.
Conclusion, it never hurts to try
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what you discovered is called in science:
ILLUSORY CORRELATION
Maybe, you're right - but we don't have enough statistics to prove if there is really no correlation between radio rom and the battery problem. So lets carry out a poll with users using WM6 and the different radio roms ... then we get exact values
so long
HonkBB

I'm not a noob in science but I intentionally try to avoid terms like illusory correlation.
A poll doesn't make much sense in this forum, look at n (=number of replies) in other polls.

It does not make sense that battery life in WM6 is much weaker than the 2003 since it is on Flash (persistant storage) and hence the ROM is not functioning most of the time which per my understanding is the cause of battery draining. Hence with the WM6 the battery life should be the same as 2003 if not better right?

dark_wing said:
It does not make sense that battery life in WM6 is much weaker than the 2003 since it is on Flash (persistant storage) and hence the ROM is not functioning most of the time which per my understanding is the cause of battery draining. Hence with the WM6 the battery life should be the same as 2003 if not better right?
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That sounds very logical. You should also expect that WM6 would be much smarter in power management than WM2003, based on the 3 years of extra development time. But it's just not what WM5 and WM6 users experience. Nobody so far reported in these forums to have experienced better battery life than with WM2003. Several people reported drain problems. It quacks like a duck, it walks, swims, flies like a duck, it looks like a duck but logic tells us that we should call it a dog?
No, there is a "logical" explanation, from MS developers point of view. You can read all about it on
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/01/446240.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/03/447404.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/10/450186.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/11/450591.aspx
So the main culprit seems to be the unattended mode. Fits like a glove to my personal experience:
-testing my device, navigation software on, all connections (BT, IR, GPRS, GSM) on, backlight 100%, constantly recalculating routes, it almost takes me 4 hours to go from 100% battery to totally flat.
-accidentally leaving some animated tasks open in the background, unattended mode while I thought it was suspended (asleep, standby, what's in a name) drained my battery once in about one hour!
But there somehow is another culprit as well. I have no idea what it is but even after a clean reboot my device stays alive almost 4 days on 2003 and "only" 3 days on WM6. I don't care, after draining in WM2003 I need to restore a backup while WM6 allows me to leave it on backup battery in a drawer for a couple of weeks without dropping a single bit.
I wish I knew a way to tell WM6 to use as much power while sustained on battery pack as it uses on backup battery.

Trying to decide...

Hi!
This post might seem abit anoying or so but I am trying to decide if I should get this phone now or wait and see what happens with the GPS and the memory issue, I can also state I prolly will be a messaging freak like MSN/Skype and so just dont know how bad that will go with the memory issue... also ofc MP3 / Webradio most of the day at work.
I also want to add I have read everything here from day to day just so you know I am not posting this just for a fast shortcut in my life, I basicly want to get some feedback from ppl that have used this phone more the just a simple review on Google ^^
so... basicly I have some fast questions
1. Do you find the memory beeing an issue if I wanna run MSN/Skype/Music at the same time (ofc Skype / Music aint at the same time but Skype will prolly be online in the backgruond for incomming calls)
2. The battery I also read is somewhat of a issue, also read about the ppl trying to find bigger ones but will it like last 8-10 hours if I use it like in question 1.
3. I also read somewhere that the Basic verison of WM6 dont have as much support for programs like the Pro does? (Not as many programs made for Basic?) and if that is true I have noooooo clue at all
If I come to think of soemthing more later I'll ask again.
Well thx in advance to the ppl that will give me some guidance in my life here during new year times and with to much money in my christmas gifts I wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
//Belaial

my long road to the s730 wings
I dont know if this will answer any of your questions but I thought it was appropriate enough to post.
I started with the T-Mobile Dash which is indentical to the HTC s620. I broke the screen right away and instead of replacing it I decided to purchase an unlocked version I could use with my T-Mobile account while travelling abroad. (I have since learned I could have just unlocked my Dash) Well broke that screen too...I guess the phone is a bit too wide to be shoved in a pocket. I then purchased an unlocked TYTN II (Kaiser) which is identical to the ATT Tilt but since I had T-Mobile I went for the unlocked version. The Kaiser was a nice upgrade from the s620 since it has a faster processor and WM6 Pro. It also has GPS which I purchased the TomTom software for only to find out that I liked my TomTom in my car better and never used it on the phone. It was nice that the screen tilted but it was like carrying around a lead weight all the time. I also hated the touch screen because it kept hitting buttons when I would use the phone. I then purchased an Iphone and switched to ATT (could have got the tilt in the first place). Hated the Iphone for the following reasons:
1. No 3G
2. Slippery and wants to jump out of your hand
3. Cannot install third party apps
4. No USB connector
5. Email sucked and didnt sync with outlook
6. ITunes wouldnt install on Vista64-bit
I will say that the iphone had an amazing screen and is great for thsoe who want the "wow" factor but for those like me who text and email a ton it just wasnt good enought especially since you cannot install any third party apps.
My good friend owns an s710 and I really love it so i decided to purchase that s730 which is basically a 710 with a faster processor and 3g. I love this phone so far and the only downside is they didnt give it the htc rubber backing my s620 and kaiser had. It doesnt slip though but the rubber would have been nice.
If you are looking for speed I feel it is fast for a smartphone and is faster than the kaiser probably due to a bit smaller screen and less demanding apps. The memory is not a problem and everything seems to work great so far. The battery seems to last twice as long as the kaiser which only lasted a day. I am hoping to get at least two days but with a smartphone more than a day is good. Overall I think the s730 is a powerhouse in a small package. It is what I have been waiting for in a phone. It could be a bit slimmer but I guess I will have to wait for another version Hope this helps!

Yeah thx for the Re:
Might go ahead and order one soon then ^^

yup second day now and battery still has 30% left since it came out of the box (havent charged it once yet). I talked on it all day too but didnt use much of the keyboard or internet/bluetooth. The battery life is plenty good enough!

i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677

darksider said:
i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677
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Thx for all replies, I will take everything in cosideration

Hi,
I got this phone only for one week now, but I must say I am amazed. I was going for the Kaiser, but that's too heavy for me to put in my pants
The Wings is still a bit heavy, but it's amazing what it can do. I use it for phone/pushmail/calendar/sms and can type pretty fast on that little keyboard now.
I do however charge it every night, but with regular use of mail I can hold it for 2 days.
The UMTS/HSDPA works flawless and at home / office it switches to WiFi perfectly.
My Audi A4 Carkit recognises the phone and I can even use the Audi software to dial/see diallog (missed/received calls etc), where my Nokia N73 just would only connect and I had to use the N73 keypad.
If only the GPS could also come to live, it is my ideal phone!
Hans

Is it worth it?

Hi Guys
heard this phone can be sluggish. If you apply the tweaks above, do you still thing the phone is sluggish and how long does the battery last? Ive also heard that the cellular reception is crap?
Please give me your honest thoughts.
Please factor in that i'm a power user. I use everything from Word/Excel/Pocket Outlook through to Internet Sharing ... almost constantly.

isn`t there enough reviews and opinion threads onto this device here already ? is it really needed to settle down another one ?
my answer : YES it`s worth

The way I see it is like this. There is no phone that will einterly do what we want. The battery life is not much and it is a bit slow using the touch3d today. But for most part it works very good. It can multi task (so I can listen to music and play a game or internet at the same time)
There will always be those that will love it (I love the phone) and those who will try to bring it down. But that you will get with every phone that will come out.
I am no Iphone lover. Nice design and smoother, but to few programs that or compatible with it.
So you see, it's just where you stand. I guess if you have a girlfriend, you love her, but their will always be things of her you will not like, but you will accept it.

wow nice chap.
A few examples:
Can you just clarify for me if those "reviewers" and opinions have had the tweaks applied? Very few mention the tweaks either installed or not.
Are they heavy Office Mobile users?
I notice very few ... i mean NO .... comments from people using internet sharing.
As for reading reviews online from other site, you can pretty much garuntee they don't have these tweaks installed. I found ONE that did, a guy on CNet in Hong Kong.
So no, there are not enough reviews. I would like to hear from people who have applied these tweaks and use the apps above and internet sharing. i.e. heavy, business users of the Diamond. Anyone out there?
edit: your sig suggests you need to chill out a bit.

Thanks for the response Oddball and indeed you are correct. At the end of the day, its very much personal preference.
Are you an extensive user of Office Mobile and IS? If so, how do you find the phone using these apps (usualy for me, in meetings taking notes etc) and the battery life/performance?

What I think...
I find the device very useful for updating spreadsheets on the move, most of the time i can use the screen as normal with the finger, but depending on what tasks you want to do the stylus may need to come out.
It is great being able to edit, view and send office documents tho. I find the diamond the best of the bunch for doing this. I would say that the Touch Pro maybe better tho, as the QWERTY keyboard brings obvious benefits, see more of the screen when editing documents, more control using the keys and easier data entry.
For me tho the size of the device is important and the Touch Pro looks like its on the porkie side! After owning all manner of Windows Mobile phones and devices, including the Ameo, after having that beast (which if it wasnt for the size I would def rate as the best Windows Mobile Device ive had, 5" VGA Screen and 8gb MicroDrive, excellent stuff) ive got used to not using a hardware keyboard and i prefer the smaller, keyboardless device.
The speed of the Diamond, for me, even without the tweaks, is acceptable. I have 1.37 rom and a UK English or WWE Official UK Stock Diamond. Im more than happy with my device, excellent screen quality, very good in sunlight to. Camera is also very good (with the back cover off! cough cough! htc!!!!!!!! silly buggers!)
Regarding the Internet Sharing, i have not needed to do this as yet but I used to use the feature in the Tmobile Ameo and it was very useful if in a Wifi-less hotel or b&b. I tend to just use the built in Opera Browser and many times this has got me outta using my laptop.
(example - needed to price check an item that i was purchasing so just used Opera Internet Browser and i was tapping around and price checking within minutes)
For me the Diamond is excellent and that is thanks to the dedication and persistance of people on this forum. For me the Diamond experience will only get better.
Hope this helps!

thats all excellent info Tom, thanks very much!!!!!! Just the sort of stuff I am after
Must admit, I currently own a G900 (800x480 screen/qwerty popout) and its awesome for browsing/office etc but, I just can't live without an internal GPS anymore. Its amazing how annoying it is to think "I can just turn on the gps .... no wait, i didn't bring it out with me" gets.
How do you find the battery life whilst doing all that? Do you use push email or pop/smtp? I hear that the cell radio reception is poor, if so, do you find this affecting your battery a lot with regards to email collection/sending?

More on the Diamond Experience...
I do sometimes find that the Signal Strength is a bit poorer than ive had on previous devices, eg the Tmobile Ameo, but im sure with the guys beavering away on this forum it wont be long before a Radio update will fix that. Unless HTC pull their finger out and start taking comments on board and update as often as they can...not holding much hope. Thanks XDA Devs! At least your on the ball!
Battery life, so far, for me personally (who only has Bluetooth / wifi / internet connection when they need it) has been acceptable. Most Windows Mobile phones, when they first come out, suffer from pants battery life. I agree it is a measly capacity battery, but already extended life batteries are coming out, I however, for the moment, wont be purchasing one, but I would say someone such as yourself, it may be worth investing in one if you are to have a constant internet connection via 3G / GPRS or Wifi.
For emailing, usually just checking them I use my Diamond to receive via email via POP accounts and it has been fine doing this. Using both WIFI connections where possible and also using the 3G connection its done this brilliantly but to be honest every Windows Mobile device ive ever owned (going back to 2002 when the first SPV has came out) has been able to do this quickly and painlessly.
I agree with you, having owned a Touch Dual and a Touch and having wished they both had GPS integrated its great having it built in. Initially it took about 5 mins to find the Satellites but after it did this ive found about 20 secs and i have a fix and everythings spot on.
Having the great quality screen also helps to, as the sharp crispness is brilliant and a welcome addition to the already feature rich device that it is.
Full marks HTC for providing a small, very compact, but at the same time a feature rich phone that does everything apart from make you a cuppa tea (but can control your light switches to.... http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4114.html whatever next! hehe!)
Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.

tomchap said:
....Will be happy to answer any more questions, please dont flame me for what I say (anyone out there) im giving you my PERSONAL experience of the phone about how I use it and understand that this may not be the case for everyone.
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Exactly!
Again, thanks for a very full and detailed response. I must admit the battery life does concern me ... a lot. As mentioned I have a G900 and with its very high res screen and rubbish 3g radio, it sucks battery life. So much in fact that I virtually doubled its depth with a 3000mah battery. Having said that, I didnt realise extended batteries are already coming out for the Diamond and this gives me some confidence.
As for the email, I too have been very happy with WM devices retrieving/sending. I was more concerned with the battery life with push mail on all the time but, guess you covered that with the extended battery options
I think my next step is now back to google to see what the extended batteries do to the shape and size of the phone.
Thank you very much for your informed and helpfull opinions

Trust me, it's not slow with newer Roms. TLR rom for instance runs great, and using the TFLO3D for 'daily purpose' is just mavellous. Not slow at all.
Just opening mailbox then takes about 3 seconds. Well poe. It's with all WM devices mostly. I can wait 3 seconds ?
PRoblem is people start tapping twice, or tapping other things. Just know how to use it and enjoy it.
It's definatedly worth it.

Extended Life Batteries
No worries, glad I could help.
I found more info on the extended life batterys here
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...he-41-p-p-diamond-extended-battery-available/
You also get shipped a replacement cover to (because of the depth of the battery)
As the diamond is a very slim device anyway I cant see it adding alot of bulk to the device, but like i said, for the moment im gonna stick with it as standard.
I have read somewhere of a 1800mah battery that was half the price of the one above, that may be worth investigating (think it was from Clove in the UK)
If you have any more questions, ask away, I will keep me eye out!

there is indeed and it is by clove!
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=CB077B5C-390D-4153-8EDD-44D1B2BEF716
It also appears to have a flat back rather than the "diamond" type. At 1800mah it should power this little device a few seriously hard worked days

Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...

I think this one could be even better - http://www.easydevices.co.uk/products.asp?partno=BATCRUISEEXTD&model=

I think i remember seeing this one in another thread somewhere. Notice the battery part no BATCRUISEEXTD on the website.
I didnt think the Touch Cruise had the same size battery compartment as the Touch Diamond? Is this just an error on the website, or is it because they just bundle a Touch Diamond bigger back cover with it?
Will be interesting to find out. Thats one huge momma of power!

Re Ext Batteries from Clove...
tomchap said:
Thats the one I think I would go for if i was gonna get any.
The flat back is a good idea (altho to be honest its not that unstable on its back with the diamond shaped cover on it) but the capacity would mean a good few days use outta it.
And the price is reasonable to. Be nice to find out how much extra bulk the battery adds to the phone, i think im gonna email Clove to find out.
call me curious! hehe!
EDIT ** Email sent 1st July - 3:09 - Will wait and see and will post my findings on here...
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Got a reply back from Clove today and this is what they said:
Tom
Thank you for the email. We are waiting for the first of these
batteries to come through. As a result at this point we are unable to
comment on how much thickness the battery actually adds.
However based on the manufacturers other extended batteries, we can say
that they keep additional thickness to a minimum and are very good at
ensuring the casing is designed to be as slim and functional as
possible.
Guess its watch this space till they are released then!

well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!

Monty Burns said:
well, having finaly seen an Omnia with a screen shot of Excel running and the popup keyboard, the keyboard took up virtually all the screen and made it to me, unusable
I've bitten the bullet and bought a Touch with an 1800mah battery.... I just REALLY hope that build quality has significantly impoved over the TyTN and BlueAngels i've had in the past... fingers crossed!
Thanks for all the advice Tom & others!
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good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....

KukurikU said:
good bye! what a waste of cyber space...i'll run and give a warning to the Touch forum ppl. hope i am not too late....
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You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.

Monty Burns said:
You have been nothing but rude and unconstructive in all the posts I have seen you write. Why are you here?
In fact, don't bother answering, i'm not interested. Bet your really proud of yourself.
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real problem' real answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406195
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406470
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405174
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406062
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406227
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402039
now look at mi avatar and translate it....

(new battery fixed it) battery life really starting to piss me off now...

My Tilt's battery life has always been bad.
I always have it plugged in, otherwise it'l be dead before I know it.
I was getting kind of annoyed when my battery life would go from 100% to 40% if I played doom for 20 - 30 minutes.
But just last week I couldn't take it. I got on a plane to San Deigo with 95% battery (from Seattle, a 2 hour flight). I started to watch a movie using tcpmp. about 14 minutes into it I noticed my battery was already below 50%, so I switched to coreplayer , but by the time I made it 25 minutes into the movie my battery was at 2%.
I had to stop my movie and turn it off so I could atleast make a call after I got off the plane.
I'm thinking the faster our Kaisers get with these video drivers the more our battery life suffers.
On the trip back to seattle, I decided to listen to music, and not do anything that used video (that includes games). My battery life started at 85%, and after the 2 hours of listening to music, it was at 40%, well, not bad.. but still annoying..
How are your guy's battery lives? Just as bad as mine? worse? I'd like to know..

hey there!
I had a simillar problem. My battery went dead after 4 hours, without even using the phone at all! so I was ready to throw my TyTn II out of the window.....
However, I installed another radio on it (1.65.24.36) with the Hyperdragon IV Iolite ROM on it.
Now it works for about 30 hours before it's empty... so I think it has something to do with your radio. try another version, maybe it'll help!!

thanks! I'll try this. I'm thinking about flashing the newest PDAcorner wm6.5 rom. I'm still using a rom from... late 2008, I don't even remember. I'll post back when everything is up and configured again.

mikeeey said:
thanks! I'll try this. I'm thinking about flashing the newest PDAcorner wm6.5 rom. I'm still using a rom from... late 2008, I don't even remember. I'll post back when everything is up and configured again.
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Hi Mike,
I'm using PDA corners Ultimate-X V7 (I don't like the WM 6.5 yet) and doing more than 3 days (really!) with my battery. In my Kaiser, I have HardSPL 3.56 and RadioROM V1.71.09.01 installed.
I also use Herrero Daniels Comm Manager Pro, which switches on and off Wifi and Bluetooth automatically on the ID of the radiotowers.
Another nice feature (I have a bluetooth carkit installed in my car) in this software, that is able to switch bluetooth on and off by making/receiving a call.
You might also buy yourself a new battery. They can be easily found on ebay. Yours might be exhausted. I assume, you are not allowed to have the radio switched on inside a plane, that might be proof of an exhausted battery.

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Hi Mike,
I'm using PDA corners Ultimate-X V7 (I don't like the WM 6.5 yet) and doing more than 3 days (really!) with my battery. In my Kaiser, I have HardSPL 3.56 and RadioROM V1.71.09.01 installed.
I also use Herrero Daniels Comm Manager Pro, which switches on and off Wifi and Bluetooth automatically on the ID of the radiotowers.
Another nice feature (I have a bluetooth carkit installed in my car) in this software, that is able to switch bluetooth on and off by making/receiving a call.
You might also buy yourself a new battery. They can be easily found on ebay. Yours might be exhausted. I assume, you are not allowed to have the radio switched on inside a plane, that might be proof of an exhausted battery.
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Good advise, these batteries are really only good for about a year, then you will see them start losing their cool.

Same issue here
I also have these problems!
I love my Tilt! I have a second batter which started to loose its capacity aswell
Very very annoying

Same annoying issue here...but
I just bought and awaiting an extended battery for my Tilt..
My radio is a wierd one too...it is 1.70.OliNex.......I probably should change it but...the whole idea of flashing concerns me, cause I am not that technical and I don't want to brick my phone.

hey if youre planning on flashing a rom, i dont think a 6.5 rom will make you happy. i am currently using abu's 6.5 v7 and it has poor battery life and so does josh and anryl's(could be just me) one 30 minute phone call from 100% and i drops to 60%. i would insist on using abu's 6.1 rom. i used it for months and it has ALOT MORE battery life. if you really want more battery life you could get the fatter battery pack or just buy another one and keep it charged with you

frank109 said:
if you really want more battery life you could get the fatter battery pack or just buy another one and keep it charged with you
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Only one.... I've got 2 spares as well as the one in the phone here. I've had my TyTN II using TomTom Navigator 6.032 all day on and off whilst working and then watching pre-recorded TV for a few hours on the train going home. I also have a 3-in-1 USB adapter that lets me use the headphones while the battery is being charged so sometimes I'll use this setup with the mains adapter on the train.
I do have to give the battery terminals a clean with contact cleaner applied from a cotton bud every month or two. I guess all that battery changing lets impurities in there and conductivity is affected. The slightest (invisible) film of grease on the contacts can cause big problems with battery life when you're only talking 3.7 volts to start with. I often watch video on TCPMP and have never seen such a rapid drop as mikeee's experienced so I also think the battery is on it's last legs (and possibly dirty terminals too).

½hour of a 3d software rendered game on batt would take it's toll on most devices

greywolf1965 said:
I just bought and awaiting an extended battery for my Tilt..
My radio is a wierd one too...it is 1.70.OliNex.......I probably should change it but...the whole idea of flashing concerns me, cause I am not that technical and I don't want to brick my phone.
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I think that's the patched radio used to SIM unlock and you should indeed change it

I flashed PDAcorner X2 V8 wm6.5, battery life was worse I think.. lol.
I'm going to try V7, see if some of the problems in V8 are fixed.
If that doesn't work I'll try TPCElite.
and If that doesn't work I'll go back to the latest PDAcorner wm6.1 rom.
any other rom suggestions? I'm pretty much trying all the new ones now, don't know if I left out anything special.
also..
There is no point in me buying a battery for my tilt, as soon as I get a job I'm buying a nokia n82 anyway.. o wait.. and I couldn't even afford the battery in the first place without a job.. lol

mikeeey said:
There is no point in me buying a battery for my tilt, as soon as I get a job I'm buying a nokia n82 anyway.. o wait.. and I couldn't even afford the battery in the first place without a job.. lol
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It's going to take a lot less time to save for a battery than for a whole new Nokia phone so why not get the battery first so you can be happy with using your existing phone whilst continuing to save for your ultimate goal... did I really say that about a Nokia brand phone

Flying Kiwi said:
It's going to take a lot less time to save for a battery than for a whole new Nokia phone so why not get the battery first so you can be happy with using your existing phone whilst continuing to save for your ultimate goal... did I really say that about a Nokia brand phone
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lol, yes, but my first paycheck would probably bring me half way there to getting the new phone, then one more I'd have the phone.
If I were to get the battery with my first paycheck, I would have to wait two more paychecks to get the Nokia N82.
EDIT: o wow! I just checked the price of the batteries on amazon and they are CHEAP!!! I guess phone batteries aren't $100 like the used to be.. maybe I'll get one after all!
EDIT 2: I can get a new battery, car charger, and 3.5mm adapter all for just $15 on amazon!! I'm going to get them now!!!
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Just flashed V7, and now I loose 2% per minute if I'm using the device (I was just browsing/exploring my device...setting up S2U2...etc). The same issue happened in V8. I noticed V7 and V8 don't have direct draw drivers, this might have something to do with it? V9 will hopefully fix this issue, abusalza told me V9 will have some big changes

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Just flashed V7, and now I loose 2% per minute if I'm using the device (I was just browsing/exploring my device...setting up S2U2...etc). The same issue happened in V8. I noticed V7 and V8 don't have direct draw drivers, this might have something to do with it? V9 will hopefully fix this issue, abusalza told me V9 will have some big changes
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I am using PDA corners Ultimate-X V7 which is a 6.1 ROM .
And it last for more than 3 days. If you will receive your new battery, first of all, charge it once and then use your phone, until it the battery is empty Do not charge your battery until your phone says it is empty! After that you will notice a significant increase of life.
Also flash your RadioROM to 1.70 or 1.71, for this PDA corner Rom.
Good luck !

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I am using PDA corners Ultimate-X V7 which is a 6.1 ROM .
And it last for more than 3 days. If you will receive your new battery, first of all, charge it once and then use your phone, until it the battery is empty Do not charge your battery until your phone says it is empty! After that you will notice a significant increase of life.
Also flash your RadioROM to 1.70 or 1.71, for this PDA corner Rom.
Good luck !
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thanks for the advise! I'll do all of this, including the battery draining. Do I let it completely die from running out? or let it reach critial battery state?
Ultimate-X V7 is wm6.1? is that the same as Ultimate-X2.V7.Premium? cause that's the one I'm using, and it's wm6.5..

mikeeey said:
thanks for the advise! I'll do all of this, including the battery draining. Do I let it completely die from running out? or let it reach critial battery state?
Ultimate-X V7 is wm6.1? is that the same as Ultimate-X2.V7.Premium? cause that's the one I'm using, and it's wm6.5..
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Let it go, until your phone shutdown (switches off) Then fully charge it, until the power led is green. Have fun with a long life battery.
I meant this ROM. It is on version 8, but I had some troubles with it (configuration and other ones) and feld back on the version 7. WM 6.5 is really a hot shot for your battery.
And check also this software, it let you switch on and off wifi, bluetooth and what else on the location of GSM-towers. More info here.

hello again everyone, this new battery is great. I played starcraft on my tilt for about 25 minutes and the battery only dropped to 90%. Before it would have most likely been below 50%, as that's what it would do with warcraft II.
To be honest I don't think I've seen it even go below 80% yet

I love how most of these type threads start and end the same..
At first they blame the phone and radio and then they are enlighted and buy a new batt.
Now if people would just start reading the previous battery thread everyone would be happy.

Changing the radio
kareem9nba said:
I think that's the patched radio used to SIM unlock and you should indeed change it
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Well, I took the plunge and I flashed a new radio.....a bit scary due to the process stopping cause of loss of communication, but in the end I was able to pull if off. Thank you.
Now, flashing a ROM is the same as flashing a radio, right?
Thanks

[Q] Interested in buying but a few questions

I am interested in buying this wonderful phone and would like to ask what disadvantages would I have if I buy a phone which has been unlocked (i.e was originally locked to a UK carrier) vis-a-vis a sim-free unlocked phone from a store?
I don't like to flash roms a lot and normally only flash stock roms if official roms take too much to be available, so I was wondering if for me it would make a difference the above? Also would I have bloat ware from carriers and if yes, can I remove?
Thank you for your time.

Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it. First of all bear in mind the battery lasts a half day and it takes another half to get it charged. You get lucky at all if it allows you to continue using it (like making and receiving calls, receiving mails but you probably wan't be able to surf the web and most definitely you will not get online videos as it drains battery out even when the charger is plugged in). Of course you can switch off all the functions and keep the screen black/off but then why would you pay 600-700USD for a phone that with it's functionality doesn't differ from 50-100USD cheap phone. Also for such a power cost don't expect great network reception - it's just avarge. The good, old E51 is much better here. Wifi reception makes it totally useless - you have to seat next to the router to be able o use it. I have couple of devices at home, including some cheap ****ty chinease tablet and "Z" is the only one that can hardly connect and even if it does it droppes the connection. I bought 2 of them and fortunatelly didn't open the second box so i could send it back to shop. The other one i'm sending to sony as not working as advertised - very very far from their promises.
Just to mention: i use original charger, stamina on, greenify installed with just 2 apps not hibernated, network set to LTE (i tried to switch to 3G but didn't really get any better battery life).
Just think it twice mate. As always it's up to you.

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Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it.
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You should consider the idea that you have a faulty unit. I'm getting 4-5 hours screen on time on a charge, which is much better than what you are stating and I'm using nothing other than stamina mode in the way of battery saving apps. I will also say that I get less than 1% drain per hour in standby. The battery is far from bad IMHO.
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alojzyptak said:
Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it. First of all bear in mind the battery lasts a half day and it takes another half to get it charged.
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Really and how many people have you seen reporting this same issue? Please just link me 1 (JUST 1 ) topic of someone reporting the same.
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You get lucky at all if it allows you to continue using it (like making and receiving calls, receiving mails but you probably wan't be able to surf the web and most definitely you will not get online videos as it drains battery out even when the charger is plugged in). Of course you can switch off all the functions and keep the screen black/off but then why would you pay 600-700USD for a phone that with it's functionality doesn't differ from 50-100USD cheap phone. Also for such a power cost don't expect great network reception - it's just avarge. The good, old E51 is much better here. Wifi reception makes it totally useless - you have to seat next to the router to be able o use it. I have couple of devices at home, including some cheap ****ty chinease tablet and "Z" is the only one that can hardly connect and even if it does it droppes the connection. I bought 2 of them and fortunatelly didn't open the second box so i could send it back to shop. The other one i'm sending to sony as not working as advertised - very very far from their promises.
Just to mention: i use original charger, stamina on, greenify installed with just 2 apps not hibernated, network set to LTE (i tried to switch to 3G but didn't really get any better battery life).
Just think it twice mate. As always it's up to you.
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The same applies as above, I guess you weren't smart enough to get the idea that your unit might have been faulty? No instead you just say that the phone is bad.
Maybe you should have opened the second box, then I'm quite sure you would've gotten different results.
Why didn't you decide to open the box anyways? Since it doesn't really matter whether you opened the box or not, if it's within your warranty time (In most countries) you would just get your money back.
So instead of blaming the phone, you should blame yourself for not being thorough enough.

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Really and how many people have you seen reporting this same issue? Please just link me 1 (JUST 1 ) topic of someone reporting the same.
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I've dug the internet looking for battery threads and i'm not alone. Just read few battery threads and you will see it's a common problem. Some people say it concerns only root users but you probably agree with me it's out of question. 1hr countinuous standby i get only at night. It's my primary phone (for now) and i use it - 2-3 sometimes 4 hours of phone calls a day and it's like 100 of them and when the battery drains out i still have to do it some how... I haven't mentioned before I use bluetooth headset most of time. The charging time under this circumstances is unacceptable. Like i stated previously the charging is faster at night but if you buy phone to use it not to play with it then you face the serious problem. I've read the stories of people exchanging their headsets for 4 times... When they advertise it as precision fruit of sony's job i expect it to be the best what can they offer. Well after digging and reading hundreds of post with problems like mine i don't feel like going through the multiple exchange process, setting each time the phone up, wasting my time...
Like i wrote before it's up to everybody. For sure if you spend the whole day in the city when the network covarge is nice, do not talk to much and the phone is not a tool of your work you get better, much better or even satysfying results but the other way round be warned.

can any one reply to my questions? :laugh:

krisbi said:
I am interested in buying this wonderful phone and would like to ask what disadvantages would I have if I buy a phone which has been unlocked (i.e was originally locked to a UK carrier) vis-a-vis a sim-free unlocked phone from a store?
I don't like to flash roms a lot and normally only flash stock roms if official roms take too much to be available, so I was wondering if for me it would make a difference the above? Also would I have bloat ware from carriers and if yes, can I remove?
Thank you for your time.
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As far as I have seen, the custom roms aren't that different from stock roms, in my opinion you can just use stock roms they really aren't bad.
I don't need to answer the question about bloatware... it's Android, you can do what ever you want. Just need root.
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can any one reply to my questions? :laugh:
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There you go.

As for UK carrier locked phones, mine is a subsidised handset from T-Mobile UK. It runs on the generic firmware (so no bloatware or branding is present) and the bootloader is unlockable.
I can't comment on other networks handsets as I'm the only person I know with a XZ
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Thank you for your answers.