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TYTN 2 for sale

ANybody want to buy a brand new tytn 2 that was on orange but been unlocked (by imei check) and unbranded with the latest htc rom for £320?
I live in stoke on trent
Matt

princepilot said:
ANybody want to buy a brand new tytn 2 that was on orange but been unlocked (by imei check) and unbranded with the latest htc rom for £320?
I live in stoke on trent
Matt
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Would this be the same one you've managed to SIMlock and can't unlock?

ach2 said:
Would this be the same one you've managed to SIMlock and can't unlock?
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Active synch and simlock
Hi,
I just put a new htc rom on without reading up first and it is now simlocked.
I want to revert back to the original rom but cant get activesynch to see my phone now it is on the simlock...
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this the one?

Hi,
It is the same one yeah. But its been unlocked by imeicheck now and works perfectly. Has the htc rom on now so no branding.
Matt

Its sold now.
I must say i have gne back to the iphone. A MUCH better device. I mean the browsing on the tytn was absolutely **** , as close to useless as it could get. The iphone was a much much much better device for browsing.
I have just sold my pc and got an imac too and i must say it is far superior in everything than windows.
Im so glad i got out of the windows rat race , and will never go back.
Matt

Well good luck to you - I hope you find what you are looking for. The Mac is a nice platform but too "cutesy" me though. I am happy to browse at 1.8Mbit/s on my TyTnII rather than the paltry speeds available on the iPhone. But each to their own

weasel said:
Well good luck to you - I hope you find what you are looking for. The Mac is a nice platform but too "cutesy" me though. I am happy to browse at 1.8Mbit/s on my TyTnII rather than the paltry speeds available on the iPhone. But each to their own
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Good luck to you too. It is a bit cutesy but i like that instead of the clunky virus ready windows. ALso, i work from home so use wifi 99.9% of the time so get a fair bit more than 1.8mbps and when im out still get an average of 220kbps using o2 edge.
Matt

Glad to hear you sold it and went back to using a mobile phone instead (and a very pretty one).
Reality is that if you're working from home with full PC (or Imac) services at hand then you don't need a PDA/phone/GPS anyway which is what the Kaiser/Hermes/Wizard excel at (ie, why do you need GPS to find your office at home or use a thumb pad keyboard with a full size beast close to hand).
As for Windows - couldn't agree more - after all, the computer revolution would have happened anyway wouldn't it (eventually).

The iphone is far from a beast , especially compared to the kaiser (the kaiser is 3 times thicker and only slightly smaller in height)

Cuteness and entertainment versus functionality. I'll take function every time. Sort of like a trophy girl that looks good on your shoulder but can only sit at home.

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Cuteness and entertainment versus functionality. I'll take function every time. Sort of like a trophy girl that looks good on your shoulder but can only sit at home.
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LOL I agree. If I were to upgrade my Artemis now, Ill go for Kaiser and never a girly Ifone.
But Ill hang on to my Artemis as I dont think the 400Mhz CPU and built-in keyboard is worth it (for me anyway). I dont like the bulkiness of the Kaiser as well.

Nothing like a trophy girl?!?!?
Its an awesome device that can do most of what the kaiser does. And what it does that the kaiser does it does with style and knocks spots off the kaiser.
COme february when the sdk comes out we will see what happens then.

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Nothing like a trophy girl?!?!?
Its an awesome device that can do most of what the kaiser does. And what it does that the kaiser does it does with style and knocks spots off the kaiser.
COme february when the sdk comes out we will see what happens then.
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yeah. it can even cut and paste and send/recieve mms messages better than the kaiser. oh wait...

princepilot said:
Nothing like a trophy girl?!?!?
Its an awesome device that can do most of what the kaiser does. And what it does that the kaiser does it does with style and knocks spots off the kaiser.
COme february when the sdk comes out we will see what happens then.
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Hmm.... I'm not sure an sdk will help with hardware limitations... . Good luck with the iPhone. From a pure features perspective, have you considered the following:
Hardware Stuff Kaiser has iPhone doesn't (I think):
1. GPS
2. 3g (HSDPA)
3. "Tactile" Keyboard (the iPhone's touch screen is not useable for me when I'm "on the go")
4. Removable Battery (I burned the iPhone's out too quickly through the day)
5. Nice Motorola Power Interface (works with many peripherals)
6. MicroSD Slot for memory changing/expansion
Software Stuff Kaiser has (iPhone doesn't yet - may be better with SDK):
1. Sirius Radio
2. Kaiser can act as Wifi access point - this is just an AMAZING feature
3. Blackberry Connect
4. Outlook
5. Office Apps
There are probably many more, but those are the ones I thought of in the time I wrote this .
If you can - try the iPhone before you give up the Kaiser? I think the screen on the iPhone is nice (but sucks batteries down like crazy), but the interface, hardware and apps just don't cut the mustard (as least for a highly mobile worker like me).

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Hmm.... I'm not sure an sdk will help with hardware limitations... . Good luck with the iPhone. From a pure features perspective, have you considered the following:
Hardware Stuff Kaiser has iPhone doesn't (I think):
1. GPS
I have a seperate Tomtom so that is no benefit to me
2. 3g (HSDPA)
Wifi is much better and i use that 99.9% of the time
3. "Tactile" Keyboard (the iPhone's touch screen is not useable for me when I'm "on the go")
I TOTALLY disagree. I found after a week that the keyboard is sooo much better than the kaiser
4. Removable Battery (I burned the iPhone's out too quickly through the day)
My battery lasts me 3 days and i am NEVER off it trust me
5. Nice Motorola Power Interface (works with many peripherals)
6. MicroSD Slot for memory changing/expansion
8GB is plenty for me and probably 90% of the population
Software Stuff Kaiser has (iPhone doesn't yet - may be better with SDK):
1. Sirius Radio
2. Kaiser can act as Wifi access point - this is just an AMAZING feature
3. Blackberry Connect
4. Outlook
5. Office Apps
There are probably many more, but those are the ones I thought of in the time I wrote this .
If you can - try the iPhone before you give up the Kaiser? I think the screen on the iPhone is nice (but sucks batteries down like crazy), but the interface, hardware and apps just don't cut the mustard (as least for a highly mobile worker like me).
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Stuff iphone does that kaiser cant:
Very fast and slick os , never slows down , never has to reset , never has to hard reset.
Music is just AMAZING! , the kaiser will never be able to compete.
Web browsing is in a different league. It has full internet minus flash , and the rendering and zoom pinch is just the killer thing for me.
Finally what the iphone has that the kaiser or any other windows phone i have had seems to lack is just the wow factor. Every time i pick the iphone up for a call out and about i get wows off people and utter shock on their face when i show them the stuff it does. I have never ever ever had anybody say that to a windows phone.
RIP Kaiser , its Iphone for me !

princepilot said:
Stuff iphone does that kaiser cant:
Very fast and slick os , never slows down , never has to reset , never has to hard reset.
Music is just AMAZING! , the kaiser will never be able to compete.
Web browsing is in a different league. It has full internet minus flash , and the rendering and zoom pinch is just the killer thing for me.
Finally what the iphone has that the kaiser or any other windows phone i have had seems to lack is just the wow factor. Every time i pick the iphone up for a call out and about i get wows off people and utter shock on their face when i show them the stuff it does. I have never ever ever had anybody say that to a windows phone.
RIP Kaiser , its Iphone for me !
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Um, I'm just curious, why are you on a Kaiser forum bragging about your iPhone? I swear I'm a little confused by your need to show up the other posters. I thought boys stopped the whole who's equipment is bigger contest in high school.

princepilot said:
Stuff iphone does that kaiser cant:
Very fast and slick os , never slows down , never has to reset , never has to hard reset.
Music is just AMAZING! , the kaiser will never be able to compete.
Web browsing is in a different league. It has full internet minus flash , and the rendering and zoom pinch is just the killer thing for me.
Finally what the iphone has that the kaiser or any other windows phone i have had seems to lack is just the wow factor. Every time i pick the iphone up for a call out and about i get wows off people and utter shock on their face when i show them the stuff it does. I have never ever ever had anybody say that to a windows phone.
RIP Kaiser , its Iphone for me !
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Well - good luck with your new iPhone! It sounds like your mind is already firmly made up. I hope you have hours of joy with it!

Sounds like it will be going to bed with him as well

Glad you sold your Kaiser...
Sounded like somebody with a Lamborghini in his garage, without a driving license... appreciate thingsfor the sake of it is worth half of their price

Well ill add my two cents here. Im a mod on the #1 iphone modding site, and got my iphone the day it came out. Sure out of the box the iphone is garbage ill be the first to admit that. But once you mod it you can have a prety sweet phone. For some of the features that it is lacking (not hardware specific) the biggest is MMS well guess what we already cracked that and now you can send and receive MMS with no problems. Video record, same thing it is capable of that now. Adding emus and games and multi-function task lists and pdf readers, yup can do that now as well. When they actually release trhe sdk come Feb then i can only imagine what the phone will be capable of. Now with that being said, I just bought my Tilt two weeks ago and I am quite happy with it, i still have my iphone as well. and yes for features the tilt does beat it, but for stableness and looks the iphone wins hands down. My iphone never once slowed down nor locked up on me where i had to reset it, cmon a phone should not "crash" well the tilt has a few times on me, and just switching from portrait to landscape mode is really slow. Plain in simple you really cant compair the two, if you want a stable phone with less features atm get the iphone. If you need every feature/function than get the tilt.

does the wings worth buing?

i really like this phone but im not sure, after what i've read, if it really worth. i also got my eyes on the vox and on n95..can u help me a lil on this choice? the s730 seems to be over the n95 at some aspects but that graphics software that lacks brings me a some doubts..thank you
George

zadude said:
i really like this phone but im not sure, after what i've read, if it really worth. i also got my eyes on the vox and on n95..can u help me a lil on this choice? the s730 seems to be over the n95 at some aspects but that graphics software that lacks brings me a some doubts..thank you
George
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IMO considering any Nokia is insane. But what is most important - what do you want to use this phone for?

well almost everything one of those phones could offer me..listening to music on my way to work, browsing the web by wlan especially, watching some movies, use the calendar to be sure i dont loose any meetings, send tons of email and sms, all of those packed in a compact and user friendly device..s730 seems perfect except those bugs...

zadude said:
well almost everything one of those phones could offer me..listening to music on my way to work, browsing the web by wlan especially, watching some movies, use the calendar to be sure i dont loose any meetings, send tons of email and sms, all of those packed in a compact and user friendly device..s730 seems perfect except those bugs...
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I love the s730... however, I wish I waited for the version that will be released with North American 3G support (well... i use TMobile, which doesn't have a 3G network in NA anyway, also nobodies sure which RF chipset is included in the WING220 anyway, so it may support 850/1900 HSDPA after all).
The video driver appears to be being worked on by HTC, although jockyw states it is in a different way than perfect.
Overall, I'm very happy with my S730, but if you're in North America, I'd wait for the model with support for the North American 3G frequencies. Otherwise, I strongly recommend the device. The WLAN support is fine. Video play back is fine, I use GSPlayer and Windows Media Player. Does your work use ActiveSync for mobile devices (do they support Windows Mobile devices)? If so, this will work fine. The only inescapable problem I have is that the Microsoft Bluetooth Drivers don't support **** for profiles (nothing to do with the phone though).
If you use Last.FM, you may want to check out the little PHP app I "created." Link in my signature \/. If you don't use it, you may want to start, it's awesome.

bigflavor said:
I love the s730... however, I wish I waited for the version that will be released with North American 3G support (well... i use TMobile, which doesn't have a 3G network in NA anyway, also nobodies sure which RF chipset is included in the WING220 anyway, so it may support 850/1900 HSDPA after all).
The video driver appears to be being worked on by HTC, although jockyw states it is in a different way than perfect.
Overall, I'm very happy with my S730, but if you're in North America, I'd wait for the model with support for the North American 3G frequencies. Otherwise, I strongly recommend the device. The WLAN support is fine. Video play back is fine, I use GSPlayer and Windows Media Player. Does your work use ActiveSync for mobile devices (do they support Windows Mobile devices)? If so, this will work fine. The only inescapable problem I have is that the Microsoft Bluetooth Drivers don't support **** for profiles (nothing to do with the phone though).
If you use Last.FM, you may want to check out the little PHP app I "created." Link in my signature \/. If you don't use it, you may want to start, it's awesome.
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I must agree with bigflavor, except:
- I don't know anything about problems with 3G here in Europe. Everything works fine (doesn't mean there aren't any in the US)
- Video playback depends on format (and codec) of the file you want to play. Some of them are OK, some sucks. E.g. MP4 which is the output of built-in camera looks like a terrible slideshow.
- Generally I would say if you prefer to work, go and get it. If you prefer gaming & multimedia, don't

zadude said:
i really like this phone but im not sure, after what i've read, if it really worth. i also got my eyes on the vox and on n95..can u help me a lil on this choice? the s730 seems to be over the n95 at some aspects but that graphics software that lacks brings me a some doubts..thank you
George
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I have an s730 and n95-2. Both devices are great in their diff ways. If I had to chose between the two I would pick n95-2. It is quicker, more responsive, and for wifi it can't be beat. I do like my s730 tho. However it sometimes freezes, needs reboots and is slower in running thru the menus and also slower with wifi, not sure why. I have the option of using either one and go between both. I realize this being a winmo forum that nokia gets knocked a bit, but the n95 line is really very good IMHO and should be compared.

It is definitely worth buying. It is a very, very good smartphone. Yeah, there are problems, but an update is coming which should fix them. I have noticed one major problem only and three minor problems + few MICRO problems. The major problem - ram consumption. It is not THAT bad, OF COURSE, it even doesn't annoy. The only thing is that you see that there are 3 megabytes free from time to time. And sometimes an app won't launch so u have to open task manager and kill some apps. Minor problems - multipress timeout setting has no effect (i set it to 0.5s but it still timeouts in 1 sec). Second problem - included RSS hub app (which is super-cool!!) has a bug which doesn't let you set the refresh setting lower than 1h. Oh, and GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPDA won't disconnect by itself even though idle disconnect timer is set to 30s! So u have to kill GSM data with comm manager . No video issues or whatsoever. Well, watching videos with WMP is LAGGY, but not with Core Player! Current video subsystem is not worse than that of Tornado, Vox etc. As HTC said, it need software optimisation so it would render the same way tornados, voxes did. ATI chip was not mentioned in specs. HTC would have to pay huge amounts of money to ATI for licensing just to enable it. Mentioning Qualcomm chipset doesn't mean that all the possible features, which all are licensed, will be available. Its like with windows versions: there are more expensive ones with more stuff enabled.
BTW, does anybody know if that update will include WM 6.1 which would be AWESOME?

zadude said:
i really like this phone but im not sure, after what i've read, if it really worth. i also got my eyes on the vox and on n95..can u help me a lil on this choice? the s730 seems to be over the n95 at some aspects but that graphics software that lacks brings me a some doubts..thank you
George
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Actually NO, it doesn’t! I allready did this stupid choice and now I'm crying for RAM and decent video.
And BTW, If you’ll compare it with iPhone which is in the same price segment, you’ll understand why I’m so disappointed.For this amount of money I’m tired to stay on internet, hoping for a solution. Go and spend 400USD for an iPhone which is now absolutely breakable for any GSM carrier and stay away from cares and interminable board discutions.

profir said:
And BTW, If you’ll compare it with iPhone which is in the same price segment, you’ll understand why I’m so disappointed.For this amount of money I’m tired to stay on internet, hoping for a solution. Go and spend 400USD for an iPhone which is now absolutely breakable for any GSM carrier and stay away from cares and interminable board discutions.
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Unless you want to surf via 3G, in which case you're screwed with the Iphone, because it doesn't support it.

profir said:
Actually NO, it doesn’t! I allready did this stupid choice and now I'm crying for RAM and decent video.
And BTW, If you’ll compare it with iPhone which is in the same price segment, you’ll understand why I’m so disappointed.For this amount of money I’m tired to stay on internet, hoping for a solution. Go and spend 400USD for an iPhone which is now absolutely breakable for any GSM carrier and stay away from cares and interminable board discutions.
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I completely disagree. iPhone is in a different class. It is better for multi-media, but has worse messaging, communications, phone-dialing functions. You cant use it with one hand, etc.
And even though S730 ati subsystem is not wired it doesn't mean that it should run slower than for example VOX did which doesn't even have a dedicated graphics subsystem (after upcoming software patch). So iPhone is not even an option unless you are absolutely dumb about what you want from a phone. iPhone is a toy, compared. A cool toy

If you're not sure between S730 and N95 then I would go with the N95, it's a much more 'refined' product and does the things that it does very well, whereas the S730 is potentially more powerful but it's a bit more rough around the edges, mostly down to the operating system.
Oh and the biggest difference is that S730 has a QWERTY keyboard whereas the N95 doesn't.

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If you're not sure between S730 and N95 then I would go with the N95, it's a much more 'refined' product and does the things that it does very well, whereas the S730 is potentially more powerful but it's a bit more rough around the edges, mostly down to the operating system.
Oh and the biggest difference is that S730 has a QWERTY keyboard whereas the N95 doesn't.
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N95 has a bigger screen, but of same resolution. I used to have a N95-1 (first generation), and i didn't like it at all. It feels more like a simple nokia than a powerful smartphone. Contact searching sucks very, very hard (compared), emailing sucks too, internet browser renders sites worse, it IS laggy most of the time, slider mechanism wore out (became loose) very soon, note even talking about exchange "support", etc. On the good sides, it has standard headphones connector (HTC has a nice RM - W100/E100 remote music controller with 2.5mm port), it has sliding-out music controls, it feels durable (except the slider), it has a very good camera and a good look. I would definitely go with S730 though. It has it's flaws but i'm very happy with it.

The main difference is the keyboard. If you want to type some texts it's your phone. If not, N95 has GPS and better camera.

Need help deciding between HTC 8925(At&t Tilt/Kaiser) vs HTC Herald (Tmobile Wing)

Need help deciding between HTC 8925(At&t Tilt/Kaiser) vs HTC Herald (Tmobile Wing)
So im looking to upgrade my phone soon. I currently use a Sidekick ID (Yes yes I know). Been a long time reader of the XDA forums so im looking for some expert advice from well, you guys(the experts). From my understanding the Tilt and Wing are pretty much the exact same phone with different carriers with the exception that the 8925(tilt) has double the ram speed and a faster cpu than the Herald(wing) as well as gps. Anyway the OBVIOUS choice is (Or at least I thought it was) the 8925(tilt). I proceeded to do some more research on the phone and soon discovered the Video Driver\No Hardware accelaration problem on those phones which was a huge turn off for me once I found out about it. As far as the Herald(wing) goes, it is obviously alot slower than the 8925(tilt) due to the slow cpu ,and freeing up memory is something that seems to be more of a tedious task that you have to do every so often. A friend of mine owns a Herald(wing) and he uses the OpenTouch Rom by Ttrans1 which is awesome and is definitely better/speedier than the stock rom. Anyway it seems to me that no matter which phone I get, I am taking a loss in some form or another. So I am here to ask you guys, would I be better off with a slow phone WITH proper video hardware acceleration (Herald/Wing) or a much faster Phone WITHOUT proper video hardware acceleration (Tilt/8925). Any advice,comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

So really you shouldn't care about a no video driver issue. Sounds like your using Tmobile and the tilt can't use the tmobile 3g. So thats what I would think about. Get the android G1 and be the coolest hippest guy on the block.

Well that's a good idea but the problem is that I need to decide within the next week as I need this phone for work as they(the tilt and wing) have exchange mail server compability which I need. I will most definitely get the G1 or HD later on down the line but for NOW I need to decide between the wing and the tilt. Also, 3g is not a factor for me as I don't really care for it being that Edge serves my needs just fine for now and if I were to go the tilt route it would obviously be an unlocked phone being that I wil lbe using tmobile for it. So with that being said which would you recommend out of the two?

This is always my deciding factor when I think about cheating on my beloved Tilt. .
GPS for the win!!
That and it tilts, that is way cool and useful. Just tilt it up and wait for your next txt or email. You don't have to move sometimes.
The chicks love it when you tilt it, they say "oh let me see that, whats your name?"
NICE

LOL, yea the gps Definitely has me "Tilting" more towards the tilt. But quick question tho since you own a tilt yourself, is the Video driver/no video hardware acceleration problem that bad? Does it affect everyday use? Also does it affect any software that uses the GPS? Last but not least, are there any custom roms that at least improve the no video driver problem? Sorry for all the questions but I just want to be sure that I won't regret getting the tilt over the wing.

Anyone else here have experience with the tilt?

I don't find the video driver thing that much of a problem. Main thing I'd care about is very occasionally watching a move. I use DVD conversion software (from SPB) to convert them to files good for the phone, and it seems find for me.
Re: ROMS, I've tried others, which ultimately became 'unsupported' by the creator, and I'm back on the stock AT&T current rom, and it performs fine enough for me. Some features form teh custom roms I liked not here, but I'm not bothering to upgrade any more. I don't know about for video.
Using it for capturing video, or any other phone, is not of much value in my opinion.
The GPS I use (TomTom) works good. (Don't turn on a bunch of POIs, or it will get unusable). I purchased this phone specifically so I could have GPS, PDA, and phone all in one device. I love the GPS when I travel.
If you get one, be very careful with the USB port (plugging/unplugging). I've had to replace it twice due to the port going bad (I'm thinking likely, at least in one case, less than 'careful handling' caused it). But it is fragile, it seems.

The only issue I have with the video driver/camera seems to be that unless you are outside in a bright light situation... the unit can't effectively take a video. I wish this wasn't so... but otherwise I love the phone.
Of course, it was a lot worse when it was "just" and att tilt. I flashed dutty's diamond rom, installed scientific calculator, chess... etc. My geek factor has gone way up! I love this phone... but then again, I have nothing to compare it to.

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The chicks love it when you tilt it, they say "oh let me see that, whats your name?"
NICE
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Hahahaha, couldn't say it any much better
At first, i was really intimidated when i got my tilt. I didn't know much about coding, flashing, hacking, slashing, whatever you call it.
After a whole week of reading on this board i'd say the tilt is one of the best thing i ever gotten my hands on.
This phone, to any other ordinary person its just a phone with special features.
But under a person who knows about coding and programming, this phone isn't just a phone.

get the tilt, my friend has the wing and its horrible. The video drivers pretty much only affect the Camera. The tilt also has GPS and tilt screen.
Also, tzones 5.99 internet gets me everything at fast speeds. Gmail, MMS, Internet.

If you were in the market today would you still buy Kaiser based?

Well looks like I am going to be buying a new phone in January. The Tilt seems to be the best bet for me at the moment but I have to ask.
Knowing what you know now would you buy another Kaiser based phone today? Or would you grab something a little newer? Is there anything comparable?
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Richard

AT&T made my hate HTC becasue they keep sending me ****ty refurbs. Each time there is a diff problem with it..
So a big NO for me.

Absolutely not. Even the reviews I read didn't show how terrible this phone was; they only spoke praise of it. I feel lied to by AT&T and HTC, who claimed it would be the most multimedia capable phone in the U.S.. It came to me unable to play most videos at more than 12 fps.
Short solution: next time I'm buying a BlackBerry.

The Fuze is the AT&T upgrade to the Tilt, and I may have bought that had it been out when I purchased my tilt, but I have to say I love my tilt. Sure, it has it's problems with the video drivers, but I'm sure someone will eventually get it worked out. The phone works great for me otherwise. It has so many features jammed into one phone, I couldn't be without it.
I wouldn't get a blackberry or nojia because I love WM platform. There are other HTC devices that have better video drivers, but nothing else except the Fuze has a pull out keyboard in addition to the rest of the features (like GPS, wifi, bluetooth, SD slot, etc.) that I love so much.

WOW!
WOW! Actualy its a great phone! I would def get another! But the Diamond and the fuze have also peeked my intrest! It depends what you are willing to spend! There is no such thing as the perfect phone but I love my tilt and I have T-Mobile! Because of the Fuze AT&T is offering some realy good deals on the Tilt and you can get them just as cheap online if you dont want the data plan! With the ROM chefs we have here now they are better than ever, I have TF3D running on mine and it is fast and stable! So to sum it up, I would say yes, great phone, would recomend to anyone!

You've got to be kidding. This phone has put me off giving money to HTC for a long time. It's not so much that there's anything specifically wrong with it that I can point you to as one good reason to avoid it, it's just that there's nothing rightabout it either.

I would say Yes, if I was on a budget, and maybe an Xperia if I was not. After playing around on the Fuze I would skip it, for reasons, including the iPhoning of the phone. But I have to agree with Bartzilla about the rightness of the Tilt. I needed to perform some extensive tweaking and unlocking, and app tuning before it worked just right. BUT I LOVE IT NOW

I like mine, especially for the money.

I bought the AT&T refurbished and "touch wood" have been happy with it so far.

Pretty good all round. I've had a Diamond and thought it was a big let down.
If someone sorts these videodrivers out it could be very good.

I'd do it again in a heartbeat, especially for what I got my tilt for.

Ill start off by first saying i love my kaiser, its by far the best phone i have ever owned. That being said it is also the most FRUSTERATING and DISSAPOINTING phone i have ever had my hands on. The video drivers are the worst but little things like the terrible keyboard lag and way too slow UI make this phone seem outdated. with these issues in mind i wll be taking my chances with the touch pro when my contract is up in feb. No way would i get another tilt.

I typically don't use the device to watch videos or **** like that. However, I have a ton of applications and programs. I tested the BB Bold for sometime and I thought it was lacking 3rd party applications. I tested Iphone but I wanted to throw it at every metrosexual I saw using the same device. I have not tested the Touch Pro/Fuze or whatever you want to call it but all in all I have the perfect rom and radio on my device and I am happy I am still with my Tilt.

So basically if I am just using it as a phone and maybe for reasing ebooks, listening to mp3's it would be ok? Would there be a better phone for that?

rahlquist said:
So basically if I am just using it as a phone and maybe for reasing ebooks, listening to mp3's it would be ok? Would there be a better phone for that?
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If you're using it as a phone look elsewhere
If you plan on listening to mp3's the battery drains too quickly
I don't release eBooks so I can't help you

I use it for listening to MP3s over Bluetooth Stereo and get ~4-5 hours/charge with a decent reserve. Not bad.
It has far better battery life than my Wizard did - by about 70%. BIG difference. I can do two+ hours of streaming video off my ORB server and still have half my charge left. With the Wizard I'd be getting a low-battery warning.
Phone calls? No problems.
I have it pulling email every 10 minutes from an echo of my main email box over IMAP; I don't have an Exchange server.
While battery life isn't great compared to the Wizard its excellent. I easily get a full day's average use and have 40% charge remaining; with the Wizard if I was threatened with being away from a place I could get either a USB or 12V tap (e.g. out of my car) I'd carry a spare battery. I have one for the Kaiser but rarely bother sticking it in my pocket, as I've yet to run out of power in an average day's use.

Well man thats an excellent question, I really like my Tilt alot but like everyone says it has its setbacks but what phone doesn't. I guess it would really depend on ones spending limit. Its an excellent phone very many features and buttons (which I for one like) this is actually one of the things keeping me from getting a Fuze (would really like VGA). Sorry if Im not much help Ive been pondering my choice of phones the last few little whiles.

I like the Tilt A LOT!
sure it has a couple of wrinkles that need to be ironed out, but you learn to work around the bugs.....so everything else is AWSOME!

I would say it depends on what features are important for you
- for example
Kaiser supports GSM 850 Mhz band (in addition to 900/1800/1900) and the Diamond or the Touch-pro don't seem to. Considering the areas where I need to frequently travel that becomes an important criterion for me. A full QWERTY hardware keyboard is important for me. That therefore rules out many otherwise very good devices. And so on. There is probably no single phone that is the best in every feature - I would say make a list of things that matter and prioritize them to decide.

have to agree that it'll depend on the stuff you'd like to use it for.
as a main phone, my kaiser is still doing well, and i will definitely buy another PPC phone, as i need the full compatibility with outlook. also, third party and custom software is much more available for this platform at the moment. i have movies and mp3s on my phone but mostly as backups to pass the time. what i use more are GPS navigation, dictionaries, minor excel spreadsheet usage, voice recording, emergency note taker/document editor, internet/surfing, calculator, and i also like being able to customize the today screen to show an extensive range of appointments (90 days through SPB diary). i've been using PPCs for the last 5 years, so i didn't have too many issues with the kaiser, but i didnt' have very high expectations of them either. the usual cons apply and i still face the same huge amounts of grief i experience whenever my phone crashes (due to my fault or the phone's fault). i've used my friend's touch pro, and it doesn't feel all that much snappier than my kaiser after i have optimized my kaiser.
as a backup device though, i recently bought a nokia 6210 navigator. i wanted the n82 but couldn't afford it. i have to say the symbian interface is very slick, and it just works out of the box, and it does what it does fairly snappily, and it feels faster than the kaiser. but, and perhaps it's because i'm still new to the symbian platform, customizing it is more difficult and especially with this new symbian s60 3rd platform, where new programs must be digitally signed. there are ways to get around it, but seems like a bit of a hassle to a new user, and 3rd party and other random apps seem harder to find for this platform. but basically if you don't intend to modify, then these nokias are almost idiot-proof.

Can the Diamond really be recommended?

I cant help, but I am "slowly" getting more and more convinced not to buy a Diamond because of the apparent issues I continue to find.
First I found out about the display issue which is (also officially) said to happen only with too much pressure (what exactly is too much), although some reported them as well and stated to have taken care. Now it seems there is yet one more issue with the backlighting respectively the hardware itself.
Would you say I am exaggerating and those issues are normal ones which happen to some extent on all phones or is my upcoming impression right that the Diamond might be a true beta product - it's not that those issues are exactly minor ones?
Please let me know your true and objective (please no fanboyism in either way ) opinion.

all I can say is these forums get a lot more of
"I have a problem"
then
"my diamond is working fine and i would not change a thing"
happy users
1 never come here
2 try to help others

If you come to a forum where people are seeking help with their phone then unsuprisingly you are gonna find alot of people with phone problems they would like help with.
This is true for all devices from phones to cars, and will always give the impression that the device has many flaws. In the bigger picture far more people are happy with their diamond than reading here will have you think.

i believe that the diamond really is a great smartphone, (no fanboyism) and that it really delivers a great bunch of possibilities, especially when paired with xda developers it migth tend to be a little slow sometimes though. and sometimes even slower... but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???) the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released

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Thanks for all your responses so far, of course the argument of complainers being louder is valid, but I suppose I am particularly worried here because the two mentioned issues seem to be quite common - among the complainers at least - and seem to be rather major issues and not like a minor one such as a buggy software.
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but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???)
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Usually I am not using rocks , but there are also quite a few in the mentioned thread who have stated to never have mistreated the display. Of course its not easy to verify this claim but I have to admit it makes me worry.
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the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
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I'd have assumed that too, however it doesnt seem to have taken place immediately after flashing but a few days later and a few even mentioned it happened without any flashing at all.
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these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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What attracts me particularly to the Diamond is its size. It is one of the smallest Windows Mobile phones available. The Diamond 2 is already noticeable larger and so I'd then opt for the HD right away.

I've had so many devices I can't remember how many, from pocket pc's to the diamond I've just been randomly given free, not on upgrade .. just a random gift.
First impressions - after having it for 6 hours:
Looks great, I like the candybar format, after the Vario III it's .. novel.
The screen is a vast improvement over the last generation of screens.
The camera produces usable images, the Vario III didn't. haven't tried video but the new drivers seem to be doing their job.
GPS lag has not been tested on the road but tomtom picked up a signal quickly enough.
I've not yet experienced the dropped call when answering because of the end call nonsense on the screen. If I do there is a workaround.
The Compact IV won't open a full 300mb Memory Map file, I've had to break the maps down into bite size chunks for it.
After using the vario III for a long time I've never used more than 3.5GB, despite having a 6GB card so I won't miss the lack of memory card.
I didn't use the keyboard of the other phones I used to the lack of it is welcome.
On balance, I would recommend this phone but a novice would quickly be frustrated and that's mostly down to interface quirks which you get used to after a while, and here's usually a workaround for most problems, except a duff driver.
Why the people at HTC and t-mobile don't just farm the ROM dev out to xda-dev is beyond me.
The developers here do a better job, quicker and cheaper than the bunch of talentless spods employed by the various co's who make the devices. Although, I might be being too harsh on the spods, they probably do a great job but get stymied by the suits.
Could I recommend the Diamond ? Yes.

Diamond is the best WM device I've ever used...
Mine's been bumping around in my pocket for the last 10 months, dropped a couple of times, lives in a (padded) bumbag when I'm trail riding my pushbike and generally been used rather a lot - but never abused.
In my previous job role I managed 1500 WM devices for an SME (sig...) and I can say with the absolute certainty of someone who has been there for a living that the kind of hardware failures that get reported here are almost unheard of in any WM devices that haven't been physically mistreated or had roms flashed in a hamfisted way.
Sitting down a couple of times with a touchscreen phone in the front pocket of a tight pair of trousers will always flex the device just enough for the display to fail somewhere down the line - usually long after the offender has left our employ and the device has been passed on to the next user...
Mind you I'll probably pick up a Touch Pro 2 when my contract is up for renewal...

I had one for a few months and didnt like it.
I am not remotely clued up on the technical side of things so this is very much a laymans report:
It had lots of features I liked but on the whole the phone was too much hassle and its cons outweighed its pro's. (the poor camera, the "black screen" when on the phone thing, the poor on/off button on the top, the poor lock/unlock system. But i loved the interface of the phone.
Swapped it for a LG Renoir and miss the Diamond, but they both have things the other doesnt. So I am no better off.
When will someone make the perfect phone? lol

The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.

I have had several PDA phones: Sansung i700, i730, i760, HTC Mogul. Of those I loved the i760 with it's number keypad (granted it had it's issues also). Hated the Mogul (low memory issue and slow). The Diamond I consider an outstanding phone. My biggest issue is the lack of responsiveness of the screen. Takes some getting use to. I did the registry changes but didn't notice a real difference. Compared to the other PDA phones I mentioned I love the display quality, size, look, feel, and $10 internet with Sprint. Perfect phone for me. The battery life I can deal with. I have a cradle with a spare battery, a car charger and spare charger at work so I'm always prepared. By the way the battery life seems to have gotten better with the latest ROM update. I could recomend it but I always let people know of the battery issue, screen responsiveness and still having problems with time issue here in Arizona (changes by an hour every once in a while for some reason).

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The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
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I second that!!!
It wasn't great out of the box. But now.... I love tweaking/flashing and would recommend it to anyone.
Although, if your thinking of purchasing a diamond, personally, I would wait till the 'Touch Diamond 2' is released.

I agree with alot of the comments
Basically the HTC Diamond, or it many variants, is an excellent device (and I have had many many many devices).
What it has going for it:
1. Size
2. Weight
3. Fantastic screen
4. Looks nice and cute/good form factor
5. Well made
Issues:
6. Battery should have been bigger - not really an issue for me as I have a charger at work and home. I tend to charge every two days unless I have been using it intensly and then top up on the day (normally I top up if on 2 bars).
7. Shipped firmwares in the UK are mostly pants!
8. No card slot. Now I want to be clear about this, if you are just installing programs and/or data the 4GB storage is absolutely fine, more then enough in fact. It also is good for a small set of videos or music. However, if you want to store large amounts of music or videos then this device is not for you!
Basically, if you upgrade the Diamond after purchase to one of the more excellent ROMs on this site, it will have a beautiful display and quick response.
Also, note that, unlike something like the HTC Touch, this is a premium device. Which means it has nice touches like the stylus is held in magnetically and also, when you pull the stylus out it automatically switches the display on.
In terms of the Diamond 2 issue, that is obviously a better device, but the price will reflect it, and the HTC Diamond is now looking very good value. Personally, I like buying phones at the end of their run, as the firmware and price are the best.
Lastly, the HTC Diamond is a bit of a cult device. Why is this important ? Because it means that the support on xda-developers is much better then the less popular devices. As the HTC Diamond's price goes down, this will just increase.
best rgds

i just seriously love my diamond..the price on ebay is going down at a rapid pace n yeah..i love it bcoz of all the tweakin u can do on it..
man oh man..on which other device can u get a "not yet working" android os as well as some iphone like stuff for unlockin, music etc..n u can just about change everything thats on the phone..
tht may be coz its my first ever windows mobile phone n i was suprised by the remote desktop..use it to play poker on facebook now!! wanna view tv for uefa cup late at night..no problemo..n the autofocus camera with a beautiful vga screen adds as the biggest pro as i snap pics of my college assignments that are readable on its vga screen
i am a little disappointed with the touch screen though..cos when in remote desktop full screen, u cannot reach to the minimize, maximize n close buttons.. though u can use another software but its the touchscreen fault as the 4 corners of the screen are difficult to tap..
but overall im very satisfied n recommend it to all

The diamond rules!!! Buy one!! Buy one now :d

I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week

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I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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good luck! the quality of the diamond is much nicer then the atom.
start off on a good foot with a good rom

had a diamond sinve day 1 of orange uk launch
once flashed........a great phone.
does everything i want and more....so its gets a 10/10 from me...
if thats worth anything to you

^^^ Fanboy...
My opinion is that the Diamond is a nice attractive phone in a good size. Having said that, there are 3 major flaws:
1. Battery life
2. Speed
3. Software
The software one is the most solvable, with the number of tweaks, ROMs and free apps available here. I've supplemented that with a large amount of commercial software in order to get the best possible experience but this is of course very expensive to do properly.

Diamond is very good phone, i think you will never regret if you will buy one.
About problem on screen and presure ( i have that problem ), i think it comes because, when need to open back for sim card or for battery. To open back we need to press screen.

Had a diamond around 9 or 10 months now, considered buying an HD or a few other wannabees but any time I consider buying a new phone I just need to look @ my diamond & I remember why it's so damn good, It's looks haven't been matched or surpassed yet & the so called newer updated htc 1's/ other makes aren't that much better IMHO in performance etc... oh yeah & their all big fat bricks !!!
I'm sticking to my precious DIAMOND for a while yet thx
Oh & BTW that htc update has finally finally fixed it's biggest/ annoying bug, my diamond hasn't skipped an mp3 track since I installed it, I think I'll keep mine forever now hehehehe...