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To buy or not to buy, That's a question!

Hey all,
I am going to buy my first pocket pc evar, and I used to have a Nokia 6630. I want to use the new pocket pc for something like three years as I used my 6630. I also want to experience something feature-packed and new! According to my investigations, Kaiser is the best availble pocket pc but it suffers lack of drivers .
All I want to do is to enjoy the Internet, Touchscreen and Windows office. And I'll install a dictionary, too.
Finally, do you recomend this pocket pc or not? If not what would you recomend instead?

If that's all your are doing then the tytn II is probably TO much pda for you.. lol. It has it's downfalls like every device, have to do more research to find out if it has everything you need.

Hemmati said:
Hey all,
I am going to buy my first pocket pc evar, and I used to have a Nokia 6630. I want to use the new pocket pc for something like three years as I used my 6630. I also want to experience something feature-packed and new! According to my investigations, Kaiser is the best availble pocket pc but it suffers lack of drivers .
All I want to do is to enjoy the Internet, Touchscreen and Windows office. And I'll install a dictionary, too.
Finally, do you recomend this pocket pc or not? If not what would you recomend instead?
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If you are not interested in GPS, 3G, Bluetooth Stereo or Push Email you can find MUCH cheaper solutions. The Kaiser may still be the only device that "has it all", but you also need to be realistic this is all on paper and when the rubber hits the road, not everything may work as expected. In fact, if you are not sure you may be able to find a Tilt on eBay for a very reasonable price to see if you like it.
Also consider that screen size is going to be cramped no matter what (not a Kaiser specific problem) and I find using the internet on a screen this size to be very frustrating.

jgermuga said:
If you are not interested in GPS, 3G, Bluetooth Stereo or Push Email you can find MUCH cheaper solutions. The Kaiser may still be the only device that "has it all", but you also need to be realistic this is all on paper and when the rubber hits the road, not everything may work as expected. In fact, if you are not sure you may be able to find a Tilt on eBay for a very reasonable price to see if you like it.
Also consider that screen size is going to be cramped no matter what (not a Kaiser specific problem) and I find using the internet on a screen this size to be very frustrating.
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I do care for Bluetooth, and as I told I need a pocket pc which would be useful for future, too.
Another question, these bugs and lack of drivers; are they possible to be solved one day?

Which will be the Next
Kaiser Tytn II Killer ?

I wanted a ppc that had a phone, good connectivity and came fully loaded so to speak so I could get full use now and in the future, I also needed it to be windows based as I run Plecodict (a chinese tool that is invaluable when learning Chinese)... I have to say that this machine combined with Duttys ROM (v4 so far but looking to upgrade that to his WM6.1) is pretty damn brilliant... Its quick, nice to use and so far has not lead me astray... I say go for it...

Hemmati said:
I do care for Bluetooth, and as I told I need a pocket pc which would be useful for future, too.
Another question, these bugs and lack of drivers; are they possible to be solved one day?
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Which bugs?
One day

Dont buy it, gps signal is poor and video driver sucks. Wait for HTC tytn III they might improve it.

briggs81 said:
Which bugs?
One day
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I suppose there is a bug in touchscreen which annoys user while using Internet Explorer.

kamark said:
Dont buy it, gps signal is poor and video driver sucks. Wait for HTC tytn III they might improve it.
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Gps signal was rated as good in most reviews I read befor buying my tytn II... first I was disapointed about the strength... so I asked a friend with a nokia with gps... some thing. I think you cant expect a gps signal like stand alone gps-device, but with quick-gps it is really usable in the practice.
Video driver: never read that the thread starter was asking for an video-playback device...
About bugs: PIE isn't usable basicly because it is bad @ rednering webpages at all. So he will use opera as most users... in this case the PIE scrolling bug doens't matters...

Its a great device, I say buy one.
But know what your buying first, go and play with it in the store and be sure it does exactly what you expect and as quickly and easily as you want it to (i.e texting with one hand, you can forget that one - although I have managed it once, I nearly detached my thumb from the joint).

Hemmati said:
I do care for Bluetooth, and as I told I need a pocket pc which would be useful for future, too.
Another question, these bugs and lack of drivers; are they possible to be solved one day?
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Possible? Yes, but the most likely solution will come from HTC itself IF (and this is a big IF due to a lawsuit between Broadcom and Qualcomm) releases a device with the drivers and the same chipset. Should this be the case, there is a chance someone here will be able to port tem over to the existing models. However, HTC may decide to go a different route with their chipsets. In this case it is unlikely there will ver be drivers.
Keep in mind, the biggest impact of this is video playback and games. In my experience the day to day screen rendering is also noticably affected, but not so much that it is painful to use. Quirky, yes, annoying, maybe to some, crippled no.
However, given the littany of problems including the sounds quality of bluetooth headsets, the keyboard not being able to keep up with very fast keystrokes, the speaker phone being very poor are all problems that have yet to be solved as well.
I think no matter how you slice it, nothing you find is going to be perfect. Every device has it's issues, the bottom line is if they bother you. If you use the problematic feature very often, then it will most likely bother you.
My best advice on your purchase is even if you wait for something different, make sure you give it some time in the market before taking the plunge. I bought the Tilt on day 1, and I wish I had waited to find out what problems it had first. At the very least, I would have know to immediately test out the problem features and see how severe they were. Then, if I thought it was importent to me, I could return it.

Is it worth buying the kaiser/tilt?

hi there,
Im currently a wizard user and i love it, only 2 drawbacks are Lack of GPS and a slow processor. Ive been reading up alot on the tilt lately and heres what i found...
1 - the video/graphics problem still exists
2 - Red Light of death is a COMMON problem
ill be buying this phone from ebay, and unlocking it for T-mobile (USA) since i wont be under AT&ts warranty, i have no way of knowing the RLOD will ever hit me.... so i cant exchange a dead kaiser/tilt
So i ask you tilt users to advise me...... thanks in advance

Will the data work on T-Mobile's 3G when they launch it this summer?
Is there any way to use the front facing camera (video call or some sort of messenger, whatever) on T-Mobile?
What about the push to talk- will that work on T-Mobile?
T-Mobile is so much cheaper than AT&T, and I really want a Kaiser, preferably an unbranded one with front facing camera...

funkadesi said:
hi there, Im currently a wizard user and i love it
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Not a tilt user, mine is an o2 (UK) branded Kaiser. I was a HTC Universal user and loved that. What prompted me to upgrade (apart from the fact the upgrade was free!) was the intergrated GPS and larger memory. I'm very pleased with my little Kaiser in comparison to the size of the Uni and love having everything onboard.
But the million dollar question really is what do you use your Wizard for?
For me, it's a bit of Internet use (love Opera Mobile) over WiFi, ebook reading, PIM, MP3 player, email, skype over Wifi, gaming (but nothing much more intensive than solitaire). I use TomTom don't seem to suffer from the jerky graphics as much as others, and having the GPS onboard is priceless, cos I know that the 1 day I would really need it, I'd have left the external GPS at home with the Uni! I have watched some videos, but I've re-encoded them to a lower bitrate, yes the Kaiser does have issues with high bitrate video's. However on balance, the higher internal memory and integrated GPS means my Kaiser does everything my Universal did, only I don't have to worry about where I'm installing applications, or leaving things at home.
So whilst I am very happy with my purchase, I have noticed my device performs better than some at the tasks I use it for. So it's back to you to tell us what you want yours for!

SaltyDawg said:
Will the data work on T-Mobile's 3G when they launch it this summer?
Is there any way to use the front facing camera (video call or some sort of messenger, whatever) on T-Mobile?
What about the push to talk- will that work on T-Mobile?
T-Mobile is so much cheaper than AT&T, and I really want a Kaiser, preferably an unbranded one with front facing camera...
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Have they even confirmed with the rolling out of their "3g"?

well I use my phone for Im/Texting alot and GPS is another major application for me, I drive alot so its quite important for me, ofcourse at the end of the day im gonna use to make calls.
only thing im stuck on is wether i need the qwety keyboard or not

GPS is worth it
I use iGo 2006 and like it a lot. For me, the GPS is why the phone is worth it.
My complaints are that: the speakerphone is not good; the camera could be better and is useless in low light; no insurance offered by at&t; battery life, but I am used to it by now... needs a charge every few days or so depending on what you use (GPS will kill it quickly); the graphics problem is annoying, maybe programs like navigon would work smoothly but the phone is still worth it, I never use my video ipod to watch media because I don't like the small screen.
With WM6, I use SBSH software pocketbreeze for functionality and wisbar advance for looks. Most people care about the speed, but I'm happy with it. Oh yeah, Q-Mobile 1.2 has made the phone much more stable.
One last thing, I got mine for $75 after rebates but I would not have gone over $300. That's me though, some people have money and want a tech gadget that they can customize to their liking.

I upgraded to the Tilt from the 8125 a month ago and have been very pleased with my purchase. Obviously there will be risks of the thing bricking down the road, but you shouldn't let that scare you away from a purchase. If anything, that should be incentive for you to buy the HTC branded version of the phone and not the Tilt.
Just my opinion, but I would stay away from ebay too. The thought of buying fairly expensive electronics sight-unseen from an anonymous seller has always seemed kinda sketchy to me.

Love my tilt. The gps, 3G and faster processor was why i upgraded. I mostly use iGO , Flexmail, MSN, and Google Maps when I'm out. Sold my Wizard 8125 and picked up the tilt.... I have to say that i am very happy so far.

I've had the best phones of every carried in the MidEast area. Touch, Dash, BB Curve, MotoQ9h, and now the Kaiser. Its the best phone with the most available features. The ability to customize the phone in an endless number of ways makes this phones worth a lot more than it is. Even though the video displays aren't the best and worse than predecessors, its still a killer phone. Plus, you cant find a better community, in terms of developers and activity, than XDA. I say this because I was on a lot of there forums and I can say that the amount of intelligence here is amazing.
Get the kaiser and return it if your dont like it.

grandpareza said:
Have they even confirmed with the rolling out of their "3g"?
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This is pretty much all I know about it:
http://www.phonenews.com/mwc-t-mobi...aunch-in-summer-possible-android-device-2739/
So sometime this summer.

TyTn 2 Vs Touch Cruise vs Touch dual vs Touch Diamond vs Other?

Hey I am new to the whole smartphone game. My initial plan was to hop on the bandwagon and purchase an Iphone, but after further review there are quite a few phones that serve my purpose's better than the Iphone. I am a college student so as you can imagine pictures and video recording are important too me, as well as video messaging. One of the things also that turned me on to the HTC camp was the fact that I can edit word doc's which you can't on Iphone (such as reports or essay's for school). Another thing I am looking for is a phone with both 3G and WiFi, I know the dual doesn't have wifi but I am also wondering how important is that too the phone. I also plan to play quite alot of movies (and of course music) on my phone. This will also be used to manage pretty much, my life as it will be my own personal assistant in every way possible. My desire is so that I don't HAVE to update my phone for quite a few years. I know the diamond doesn't come out for a few months, I can wait if need be. Now this is the catch, I am an at&t gophone customer so perferably I would like to get an unlocked phone of whichever of these phones are the best (at&t doesnt support prepaid use of at&t tilt, fyi) but I may just get a plan (and give them the damn 500 deposit, grrrr) if NEED be. I am also a big fan of touchscreen so I would love for whichever of those phones that has one of the better models/ easier use of it. Also I just moved to a new city so of course a GPS nav. would be great.
Anyways post away, thank you in advance for the help guys.

If you want a full keyboard get the TyTn 2
If you want something slightly slimmer with no keyboard get the Touch/Dual
For the most part you can emulate the Touch apps on the TyTn 2...so you kind of get the bet of both worlds.
However since your first inclination was for the iPhone I gather one of two things (or both):
1) You are an "apple" person and therefore probably don't want to tinker with your stuff to get it to work right for you.
2) You are concerned with looks and graphics above all
If either of these are the case I would wait for the Diamond as it really does appear to be much more fluid and you won't need to tinker to get it iPhone-esque. Of course, by the time they release it there will be hints of even newer device coming...

Cliff notes?

Dude, add a poll!

it really depends on your personal taste. Keeping the diamond off this review the tilt is the best among the other available options imo. I love having a full qwerty keyboard as texting and writing messages (especially for here ) is easy. The only place where it falls short is graphic and video drivers, note that i didn't say anything about hardware which is perfectly capable .. just need better drivers.
Anyways it all boils down to personal choice .. the tilt rocks imo.
p.s. CUSTEL there is dude looking for a tilt i recommended you

Well one of my biggest things is going to be both putting movies/music videos on my memory card as well as streaming videos on my phone so - these graphic and video drivers, are they major complications in that? I have read some things on the issues with playing videos on the tilt but was unsure if these have since been unresolved issues.
I am not an apple person, no. Looks I can live without but the graphics of the videos I play as well as the video recordings are of importance. I don't mind tinkering with the phone to get a better phone at all no. That is one of the things I like about these phones are that you can download diff things for them (so I've read). The reasons why I wanted the iphone are simply that, I HEARD the iphone is the best phone out. After further research I have not found that to be the case, especially in my situation. The fact that it doesn't have a video camera NOR MMS are huge faults for me. I loved the fact that it was touch screen, but seeing as there are so many more touch screen phones out there that I didn't know about opened a whole new world too me =].
And yes, the fact that better phones ARE always coming out is something that I have thought about and one of the reasons why I may scratch the diamond off my list =p
Also can somebody inform me on how too add a poll, ty.

The microSD cards are a very good solution for music and videos. Without the graphics drivers, streaming video is not a problem. Also as long as the video is decently sized to the resolution of the phone, playback should not be much of an issue if you use Coreplayer Qtv (not free software). I personally don't like the Tilt (it's too bulky) and think the Cruise is a great device.
The Diamond is another cool device, but the fact that it has no microSD slot and is not a true worldphone (like the kaiser and cruise) are negatives for me. Also I have yet to see what the battery life will be on that device, smaller battery and all. Besides the Diamond won't be out for the Americas for a bit longer.

Charlemagne said:
Well one of my biggest things is going to be both putting movies/music videos on my memory card as well as streaming videos on my phone so - these graphic and video drivers, are they major complications in that? I have read some things on the issues with playing videos on the tilt but was unsure if these have since been unresolved issues.
I am not an apple person, no. Looks I can live without but the graphics of the videos I play as well as the video recordings are of importance. I don't mind tinkering with the phone to get a better phone at all no. That is one of the things I like about these phones are that you can download diff things for them (so I've read). The reasons why I wanted the iphone are simply that, I HEARD the iphone is the best phone out. After further research I have not found that to be the case, especially in my situation. The fact that it doesn't have a video camera NOR MMS are huge faults for me. I loved the fact that it was touch screen, but seeing as there are so many more touch screen phones out there that I didn't know about opened a whole new world too me =].
And yes, the fact that better phones ARE always coming out is something that I have thought about and one of the reasons why I may scratch the diamond off my list =p
Also can somebody inform me on how too add a poll, ty.
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I think MChapman was being tongue in cheek with his poll suggestion. This topic has been BEAT TO DEATH on this forum and does not deserve to be ever brought up again. EVER. What phone should I pick? Is the Iphone better? Basically no phone does everything well or else there would not be so many phones. You don't seem to want much(laugh) just everything in a small package. The iPhone is a entertainment device with minimal life organization abilities. The Tilt is a hardcore business and life organizer with adequate entertainment functions. Personally I have a Tilt that runs my life and business and an ipod touch that has 16GB of entertainment on it . They both do exaclty what I want them to do.
And if I want an all in one device, I duct tape them together

denco7 said:
I think MChapman was being tongue in cheek with his poll suggestion. This topic has been BEAT TO DEATH on this forum and does not deserve to be ever brought up again. EVER. What phone should I pick? Is the Iphone better? Basically no phone does everything well or else there would not be so many phones. You don't seem to want much(laugh) just everything in a small package. The iPhone is a entertainment device with minimal life organization abilities. The Tilt is a hardcore business and life organizer with adequate entertainment functions. Personally I have a Tilt that runs my life and business and an ipod touch that has 16GB of entertainment on it . They both do exaclty what I want them to do.
And if I want an all in one device, I duct tape them together
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Well said..... There are so many comparisons in this forum and everyone will have an opinion. Yes, i have the Tilt also and it's the best phone on the planet... (**NOTE** For me that is) Would your "Other" be the SE Xperia X1?

I bet the Touch Diamond's battery life will be very similar to the Tilt and the Touch Cruise due to the Diamond's processor being built on a smaller 65nm process if I am correct. And assuming that the processor consumes the most amount of power in the phone, this new one processor will consume less than the ones in the Tilt and Touch Cruise.

"This topic has been BEAT TO DEATH on this forum and does not deserve to be ever brought up again. EVER."
Oh ok, I didn't know that. I have been looking for people's input on these phones all over the net with minimal results. I am basically just trying to get a sense of what are the strong suits of each phone and on the flip side, what are the negative aspects of each phone and what should I watch out for with either. If anyone of you can point me too reviews or other forum discussions that highlight thats character traits about the phone that would be fantastic.
"Personally I have a Tilt that runs my life and business and an ipod touch that has 16GB of entertainment on it "
Thats cool for you, but personally I am not trying to walk around looking like inspector gadget. That and those are two major investments, especially when you can just get a phone that can hold sd slots (which also scratches out the diamond in my list fyi, ty hambola). Same with GPS and nav, now that your phone can do this it wouldnt make sense too go out and buy ANOTHER navigation system, especially for a student on a budget =] Too be honest also if you can type relatively fast on either one (for editing word doc's) I probably won't even need a laptop =] Just one simple phone would make my life a whole lot easier, man how I love technology.

You know, after further review of each phone I have decided not to get either of the phones. Each one has its own little draw backs that nag me too the point that I don't really want to purchase the phone. Hopefully the Xperia is amazing!!! ANyone else know any other good phones that would be up my alley? Thanks guys.

Charlemagne said:
You know, after further review of each phone I have decided not to get either of the phones. Each one has its own little draw backs that nag me too the point that I don't really want to purchase the phone. Hopefully the Xperia is amazing!!! Anyone else know any other good phones that would be up my alley? Thanks guys.
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Xperia does not convinced me at all. That's my opinion.
I just saw a video of the Diamond and I have to say it's a lot better than Xperia.
Hey there is a new iphone coming next month with 3g and other stuff, and I'm pretty sure you already know
Anyways...Tilt is a great choice.
Hey I'm thinking on selling mine but.. trust me is a hard choice. I really like the Tilt.

Well one of my biggest issues with the tilt is that it doesn't have a GPS nav in it which blows =[ The diamond doen't offer card slots (???? wtf???) so I can't upgrade memory or put any music/movies on any cards.

The tilt does have a GPS nav in it.

where are all these so called "Touch" apps located?

TYTNII Rocks
I have a TYTN II that rocks my world. It organises my business, and stores enough podcasts to keep me amused while flying (4 hours per week). I don't do video as am well over the porn thing although do watch Big Brother via Planet 3 here in Oz. It's bulk and I;m looking at a Diamond for my son, as 3 here has ceased selling the TYTN II. the Diamond looks pretty smik.

HTC Touch Diamond Vs iPhone 3G

OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
For me, the only thing holing me back are: -
1. Support for third party applications, it’s limited at the moment, but will get better over time.
2. A proper satnav application that can make use of the built in GPS (TomTom on the iPhone 3G!)
Please share your thoughts...

Most of the new software features are things that Windows Mobile has done for ages. I'm actually quite pleased with the 3G iPhone - the Touch Diamond has it beaten in key areas for me. These include style, size (apparently it has got bigger, while HTC has managed to make the Touch Diamond smaller than the Touch), handy features and third-party applications.
What shocks me is the way people are reacting to some of the features - Apple seemed to introduce A-GPS as some sort of new innovation, when the Touch Diamond is already out in places, with that very feature...

If you heard the keynote you'll see that apple will have the phone call home. They also sign every executable. That means 'homebrew' wont really exist.
They said that developers can still make free apps, but they have to be distributed through the apple store. In the end thats not going to make a huge difference and you'll see plenty of apps for the iphone appear very very quickly.
For me the 3g iphone wins in everything except size and screen resolution. The main thing that made me think twice about the diamond was the 3g iphone battery life!
.. to be continued.. not decided yet

Dark Fire I know what you mean. Apple fan-boys always seem to be impressed when Apple implement something Windows has been doing for years, and this is not just in iPhone but also the Mac OS as well.
For my money I would go with the Touch Diamond anyday. Apple will always have too much control over it for my liking - I mean today people seemed ecstatic that Apple would now allow you to make and buy applications for it!

Tim 45 said:
Dark Fire I know what you mean. Apple fan-boys always seem to be impressed when Apple implement something Windows has been doing for years, and this is not just in iPhone but also the Mac OS as well.
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True, but you got to admit whatever windows does, osx and linux do about 10 fold faster.

Can't buy an iPhone, if you have fingernails, you can't use the keyboard. Useless.

Actually that reminds me... on the iphone you can press a key, and it kind of pops up the letter above your finger. You can slide your finger to another letter if that one is wrong i.e. it only picks the letter when you lift your finger.
Does the HTC keyboard do that at all?

Well, as pointless it may be to others, size & weight really matters to me & the Diamond fits perfectly in my hand or pocket can't say that about the iphone the only downside to having that stunning 3.5" screen.

No, it doesnt

someone1234 - Yes.

I think I will be sticking with the diamond, and then waiting and seeing what applications come out for the iPhone. I can always move over to it.

Would you need to include the Sammy i900 in this comparison? Due about the same time.

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someone1234 - Yes.
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cool! thanks.
I think once the 3G iphone is unlockable i'll buy one. For $199 its a bargain. Until then its not worth it - there'll be no decent apps, and what there are will probably cost stupid money.
So I'm decided.. sticking with diamond.

Size is the big issue for me. Diamond wins hands down.
In fact, the only point that iPhone wins is in the interface but TouchFlo is not far behind now, after tweaks

Somehow i think an unlocked iphone 3g is gonna cost a lot more than $200!! more like $300-$350 your forgetting thats $200 plus a maybe 2 year contract!
IMO the diamond has it beat apart from the memory.
Diamond has these over the 3g iphone:
Twice the resolution
video calling
faster browsing
Stereo bluetooth Headphone Support (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Picture Messaging (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Stylus if prefered
Better Camera
Way More Apps and games for now.
Not restricted to certain providers.

someone1234 said:
True, but you got to admit whatever windows does, osx and linux do about 10 fold faster.
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Indeed - 10 fold faster, several years later. That's the main difference these days...
someone1234 said:
Actually that reminds me... on the iphone you can press a key, and it kind of pops up the letter above your finger. You can slide your finger to another letter if that one is wrong i.e. it only picks the letter when you lift your finger.
Does the HTC keyboard do that at all?
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Yes, it definitely does that. The problem with the HTC keyboard is that the letter doesn't appear above the key you're pressing - the key sort of expands, so it's still mostly obscured by your finger. I don't really know why HTC thought that was better...
jkr284 said:
Somehow i think an unlocked iphone 3g is gonna cost a lot more than $200!! more like $300-$350 your forgetting thats $200 plus a maybe 2 year contract!
IMO the diamond has it beat apart from the memory.
Diamond has these over the 3g iphone:
Twice the resolution
video calling
faster browsing
Stereo bluetooth Headphone Support (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Picture Messaging (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Stylus if prefered
Better Camera
Way More Apps and games for now.
Not restricted to certain providers.
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Exactly my point. The tables have turned - the Touch Diamond has the 3G iPhone out handy-featurised and, if anything, the Touch Diamond slightly wins on specs too.
Also, yeah, I think $199 is with a contract. I was reading that Apple wouldn't let network operators subsidise the iPhone before, but now they will let them do that, hence the much lower price.

imranbashir_uk said:
OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
For me, the only thing holing me back are: -
1. Support for third party applications, it’s limited at the moment, but will get better over time.
2. A proper satnav application that can make use of the built in GPS (TomTom on the iPhone 3G!)
Please share your thoughts...
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TomTom for iPhone is already in beta testing and should be released shortly after the 3G iPhone hits stores.

imranbashir_uk said:
OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
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But.... how about cut/copy/paste -- no mention of them.
For me, after trying two different iphones, I have to say that iphone2 is underwhelming -- we who have WinMo phones have been using the direct push email for more than a year and the volume of apps available (many either free or very inexpensive) tip the balance. I know apple has an advantage in controlling hardware and software-- they can optimize them and we see faster performance (but not always) -- but with WinMo there's both hardware and software that will fit everyone's needs/wants. Speed isn't everything.... and I kind of like the freedom from "mother apple" control (according to current info it will be extremely difficult to jailbreak this system).

Why you need an apple when there is HTC

one thing iPhone 3G got its CHEAP hehehehe

If you were in the market today would you still buy Kaiser based?

Well looks like I am going to be buying a new phone in January. The Tilt seems to be the best bet for me at the moment but I have to ask.
Knowing what you know now would you buy another Kaiser based phone today? Or would you grab something a little newer? Is there anything comparable?
Thanks!
Richard

AT&T made my hate HTC becasue they keep sending me ****ty refurbs. Each time there is a diff problem with it..
So a big NO for me.

Absolutely not. Even the reviews I read didn't show how terrible this phone was; they only spoke praise of it. I feel lied to by AT&T and HTC, who claimed it would be the most multimedia capable phone in the U.S.. It came to me unable to play most videos at more than 12 fps.
Short solution: next time I'm buying a BlackBerry.

The Fuze is the AT&T upgrade to the Tilt, and I may have bought that had it been out when I purchased my tilt, but I have to say I love my tilt. Sure, it has it's problems with the video drivers, but I'm sure someone will eventually get it worked out. The phone works great for me otherwise. It has so many features jammed into one phone, I couldn't be without it.
I wouldn't get a blackberry or nojia because I love WM platform. There are other HTC devices that have better video drivers, but nothing else except the Fuze has a pull out keyboard in addition to the rest of the features (like GPS, wifi, bluetooth, SD slot, etc.) that I love so much.

WOW!
WOW! Actualy its a great phone! I would def get another! But the Diamond and the fuze have also peeked my intrest! It depends what you are willing to spend! There is no such thing as the perfect phone but I love my tilt and I have T-Mobile! Because of the Fuze AT&T is offering some realy good deals on the Tilt and you can get them just as cheap online if you dont want the data plan! With the ROM chefs we have here now they are better than ever, I have TF3D running on mine and it is fast and stable! So to sum it up, I would say yes, great phone, would recomend to anyone!

You've got to be kidding. This phone has put me off giving money to HTC for a long time. It's not so much that there's anything specifically wrong with it that I can point you to as one good reason to avoid it, it's just that there's nothing rightabout it either.

I would say Yes, if I was on a budget, and maybe an Xperia if I was not. After playing around on the Fuze I would skip it, for reasons, including the iPhoning of the phone. But I have to agree with Bartzilla about the rightness of the Tilt. I needed to perform some extensive tweaking and unlocking, and app tuning before it worked just right. BUT I LOVE IT NOW

I like mine, especially for the money.

I bought the AT&T refurbished and "touch wood" have been happy with it so far.

Pretty good all round. I've had a Diamond and thought it was a big let down.
If someone sorts these videodrivers out it could be very good.

I'd do it again in a heartbeat, especially for what I got my tilt for.

Ill start off by first saying i love my kaiser, its by far the best phone i have ever owned. That being said it is also the most FRUSTERATING and DISSAPOINTING phone i have ever had my hands on. The video drivers are the worst but little things like the terrible keyboard lag and way too slow UI make this phone seem outdated. with these issues in mind i wll be taking my chances with the touch pro when my contract is up in feb. No way would i get another tilt.

I typically don't use the device to watch videos or **** like that. However, I have a ton of applications and programs. I tested the BB Bold for sometime and I thought it was lacking 3rd party applications. I tested Iphone but I wanted to throw it at every metrosexual I saw using the same device. I have not tested the Touch Pro/Fuze or whatever you want to call it but all in all I have the perfect rom and radio on my device and I am happy I am still with my Tilt.

So basically if I am just using it as a phone and maybe for reasing ebooks, listening to mp3's it would be ok? Would there be a better phone for that?

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So basically if I am just using it as a phone and maybe for reasing ebooks, listening to mp3's it would be ok? Would there be a better phone for that?
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If you're using it as a phone look elsewhere
If you plan on listening to mp3's the battery drains too quickly
I don't release eBooks so I can't help you

I use it for listening to MP3s over Bluetooth Stereo and get ~4-5 hours/charge with a decent reserve. Not bad.
It has far better battery life than my Wizard did - by about 70%. BIG difference. I can do two+ hours of streaming video off my ORB server and still have half my charge left. With the Wizard I'd be getting a low-battery warning.
Phone calls? No problems.
I have it pulling email every 10 minutes from an echo of my main email box over IMAP; I don't have an Exchange server.
While battery life isn't great compared to the Wizard its excellent. I easily get a full day's average use and have 40% charge remaining; with the Wizard if I was threatened with being away from a place I could get either a USB or 12V tap (e.g. out of my car) I'd carry a spare battery. I have one for the Kaiser but rarely bother sticking it in my pocket, as I've yet to run out of power in an average day's use.

Well man thats an excellent question, I really like my Tilt alot but like everyone says it has its setbacks but what phone doesn't. I guess it would really depend on ones spending limit. Its an excellent phone very many features and buttons (which I for one like) this is actually one of the things keeping me from getting a Fuze (would really like VGA). Sorry if Im not much help Ive been pondering my choice of phones the last few little whiles.

I like the Tilt A LOT!
sure it has a couple of wrinkles that need to be ironed out, but you learn to work around the bugs.....so everything else is AWSOME!

I would say it depends on what features are important for you
- for example
Kaiser supports GSM 850 Mhz band (in addition to 900/1800/1900) and the Diamond or the Touch-pro don't seem to. Considering the areas where I need to frequently travel that becomes an important criterion for me. A full QWERTY hardware keyboard is important for me. That therefore rules out many otherwise very good devices. And so on. There is probably no single phone that is the best in every feature - I would say make a list of things that matter and prioritize them to decide.

have to agree that it'll depend on the stuff you'd like to use it for.
as a main phone, my kaiser is still doing well, and i will definitely buy another PPC phone, as i need the full compatibility with outlook. also, third party and custom software is much more available for this platform at the moment. i have movies and mp3s on my phone but mostly as backups to pass the time. what i use more are GPS navigation, dictionaries, minor excel spreadsheet usage, voice recording, emergency note taker/document editor, internet/surfing, calculator, and i also like being able to customize the today screen to show an extensive range of appointments (90 days through SPB diary). i've been using PPCs for the last 5 years, so i didn't have too many issues with the kaiser, but i didnt' have very high expectations of them either. the usual cons apply and i still face the same huge amounts of grief i experience whenever my phone crashes (due to my fault or the phone's fault). i've used my friend's touch pro, and it doesn't feel all that much snappier than my kaiser after i have optimized my kaiser.
as a backup device though, i recently bought a nokia 6210 navigator. i wanted the n82 but couldn't afford it. i have to say the symbian interface is very slick, and it just works out of the box, and it does what it does fairly snappily, and it feels faster than the kaiser. but, and perhaps it's because i'm still new to the symbian platform, customizing it is more difficult and especially with this new symbian s60 3rd platform, where new programs must be digitally signed. there are ways to get around it, but seems like a bit of a hassle to a new user, and 3rd party and other random apps seem harder to find for this platform. but basically if you don't intend to modify, then these nokias are almost idiot-proof.