Have you seen this phone? It is certainly a Kaiser killer. Maybe now HTC will start to care about graphics acceleration and performance.
have you read thishttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/no-wonder-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-is-so-good-htc-makes-it/ too?
I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...
:-o And why HTC does not provide drivers for their branded products?
Time to reverse engineer the drivers?
I think everyones pretty much sussed that there's bigger forces at work with regards to the missing drivers, the amount of press the issue got, no company's arrogant enough towards it's customers to purposely with hold a driver that it somehow could of released. Either it doesn't exist and isn't available or there's hardware issues, that or there's financial constraints.
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I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...
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Do you actually understand the dynamics here?
HTC have always made devices for other people. Its only recently that they have sold devices under their own branding.
I am not at all suprised that SE are using HTC to make these devices for them. HTC have the production line, experience in touch screen assembly and are expertees in WinMo devices.
i thought the phones HTC made for other people were just rebrands of their own phones.
I'd say this phone was probably born in partnership; SE will have created the external design, HTC came up with the internals. Quite possibly the same internals we'll also see in the Tytn III, Vario 4 etc?
Calling it a "Kaiser killer" is missing the point a little - by the time this phone is released, HTC will be killing the Kaiser itself with their own new devices. This kind of spec (WVGA, strong video performance etc) is exactly what you'd expect of the Kaiser's sequel.
it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap
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it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap
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It is an official announcement, and it does exist (there was a press conference on it at Mobile World Conference yesterday). It's even on the Sony Ericsson website - http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/x1?lc=en&cc=GB
There's also a minisite complete with video here - http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en - so yes, it's pretty official!
Won't be on the market until the second half of the year, though, by which time I'm sure it will have competition.
1. does this phone have drivers?
2. which processor?
3. ram?
what we should be asking is,
does this phone have 3d hardware support because drivers arent any good without the hardware!!!
And here is the Press Release but there's no mention of any kind of processor, i think we'll have to wait for further infos since it's only the GSMA's Mobile World Congress, Sony tried to impress masses and make publicity, technical stuff will be for later.
According to this hands-on article here - http://www.theunwired.net/?item=mwc...-ericsson-xperia-x1-windows-mobile-smartphone - the processor is a Qualcomm 520mhz, no surprise really since this is a HTC phone under the skin.
Here's an interesting quote -
You will noticed in the video, that the device seems to be somewhat slow - sometimes. Sony Ericsson promised that this will be fixed with the release device, especially because the 520 MHz Qualcomm CPU should be powerful enough and Sony Ericsson also told me they will take benefit from the graphics hardware acceleration as available for Qualcomm chips.
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Looks like the message has gotten through to at least one company
ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr
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ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr
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i'm in the same boat, but i wouldn't worry too much - if it's anything like the p990, release will be delayed.
it probably won't actually materialize until Q1 2009 at the earliest...
it does look pretty sweet though! definately on my next upgrade list!
wvga 858x484!!!
NICE!!!
This phone will probably be out in Asia before it hits the rest of the world.. any one wishing to grab one, I can pick up a few whenever it comes out and bring it over to the states.. for a small fee.
man that phone looks awesome.....jumped on my kaiser purchase?!
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A simple enough poll.
Are you going to upgrade from your Kaiser to the Sony X1?
Personally I love my Kaiser, it is by far the best phone I've ever had. My only problem is the screen resolution.... Now bring along the Sony Xperia X1 and have it pretty much functionally the same as the kaiser and the larger screen resolution and you have an awesome phone.
What right now could beat the X1, the TyTN III, but it's not anounced and unlikley to be this year.
So personally I can't wait for the X1.
Definitely not, though my kaiser is not perfect, i dont think a X1 would be. i've been using Sony's laptop, cell phones, mp3,etc in the past, but everytime there are some unacceptable designs fault like easily broken buttons and leakage on machine body. They just put their efforts on design, without testing carefully the components!
it would be better to ask this question when the device is in the wild and people have had a change to review it,
it could be a lemon for all we know
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it would be better to ask this question when the device is in the wild and people have had a change to review it,
it could be a lemon for all we know
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That's true, but and a real but, if it is pretty much the same as the Kaiser, with the higher resolution, slighly faster processor and graphics drivers (which I doubt really HTC want to fix for the kaiser) then this will be a killer phone.
Can we have another option please? Something along the lines of:
No, I'm not touching another device made by HTC, no matter who they're working with.
I like to try new gadget. So, for me, definitely I'm going to upgrade to Sony Xperia X1. If it's not going to be that good, I'll be back to my Tytn II.
It's really too soon to say, it looks good from this distance, but until there are real world reports on performance etc it's not possible to judge. I'd like it to be a killer device that I could upgrade to with confidence, but my previous experience of both SE and HTC tells me to wait.
It's still possible that this phone will only be a minor improvement on the Kaiser, and the Kaiser itself may still be improved in the meantime (through the work going on here, if not at HTC).
If I didn't have the Kaiser I would buy the X1 no doubt about that - but for my use there just isn't enough new stuff under the cover to make me go away from the Kaiser...
Oh yes please!!!!!
I will definitely check it out closer to launching but from what I have seen up to now I don't see any reason that I would not take it. I use to be a SE fan before I got into ppc's. I was looking for OS freedom, that is why I started with WM devices. I liked my Wizard and after almost 2 weeks can't find fault with my new Kaiser. Deep down I'm still a SE fan though.
Can't wait for launch date :
Not sure...I really like the larger screen and the buttons on the X1 as they are spaced out.
It also seems to be lighter/thinner which would be a plus.
But hopefully when the release WM7.0, it will make the Kaiser UI much more friendly and interactive.
None of this is confirmed and this is just a mockup, but it looks really sharp: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Windows-Mobile-7-0-Preview-or-Simple-Mockup-75751.shtml
For the most part though I really like my Kaiser
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I will definitely check it out closer to launching but from what I have seen up to now I don't see any reason that I would not take it. I use to be a SE fan before I got into ppc's. I was looking for OS freedom, that is why I started with WM devices. I liked my Wizard and after almost 2 weeks can't find fault with my new Kaiser. Deep down I'm still a SE fan though.
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I heard that the actual release date will be in 2009 Feb
You all know that this is Sony Ericsson right?? I will get it when I have the money and the time
Also no that was a typo.
its made by HTC
apparently
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I heard that the actual release date will be in 2009 Feb
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SE have confirmed that was just a mistake on their website, the release date stands at H2 - meaning anytime between July and December this year.
i just went on the sony website and watched their commercial. Its the crappiest commercial to advertise the phone. Its 6 seconds of the phone in action, and the rest is flying paper airplane.
I cant decide whether I want it or not. if it has all the things kaiser does, then yeah, but otherwise most likely not.
In theory it has all that the Kaiser has, plus a higher resolution screen. The really killer difference though is the size and weight - it really is a LOT smaller, and a lot more pocketable, while still retaining that full qwerty etc.
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In theory it has all that the Kaiser has, plus a higher resolution screen. The really killer difference though is the size and weight - it really is a LOT smaller, and a lot more pocketable, while still retaining that full qwerty etc.
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The most important feature is the keyboard. Sure that's why we all have the Kaiser right...
Size is important, but too small and you can't type. You'd end up with a Treo/ Blackberry/ Samsung type keypad and I can't stand those buttons, way too small.
In saying that though, the thickness is really important, it would be great if it was a lot thinner, but again if you go too thin you get into that area that samsung have been pushing. Have you tried out their D900 phone, just way too thin, pain in the a*s to press those keys.
Also weight. Kaiser is definatly the heaviest phone i've used, but I don't find it that bad. I thought it was going to be way to heavy, my old eTen m600 a lot lighter, but really I don't mind it at all.
A bit lighter, a bit smaller, a lot thinner, with the bigger screen, the better keyboard layout and we have a winner.
I can't wait to see the phones out in 2010!
As a long standing HTC user I have been happy with the MDA Vario III overall but the display problems and poor quality camera (slow screen refresh etc) have been a BIG disapointment. The poor response from HTC has been even worse and what appears to be a complete lack of customer service has really
put me off them!
I am certainly looking forward to checking out the XPERIA X1 in the flesh..
Sony have generally delivered a good solid handset in the past and the battery life and camera are often excellent too. As long as they get the whole package to come together and the initial feedback is good I will consider letting my Vario III go.
The only issue for me will be that I am currently only 5 months into a contract with T-Mobile so I will need to get a SIM free or go for a second contract. Oh the price we pay for technological advances!
Zippyioa
Rather than listen to the hype, I'd need to see it and test drive it.
It's gotta be head and shoulders above what the Kaiser has to offer, because I'm not the type of guy to upgrade just to have the latest.
Good thing my last HTC device was a Blue Angel and not a Wizard or Hermes, or I'd still be using it
personally i dont really care HOW much of an upgrade it is from TytnII to X1...of course it'd be nice if all the problems of the tytnii be fixed in the x1 but i just like to try new phones...so i will try out the x1...if i dont like it..worst case is go back to the tytnii...so no lost
Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?
vga alone is enough for an update for me. Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones. if this is true I'd be more than happy to give them another go.
There's still too many unknowns at the moment, I don't think it's possible to judge just yet. The all important drivers will be a major, major issue for some - this device could be absolutely stunning in performance, or it could be just a small increase on the Kaiser (if at all), we just don't know.
I think, after what happened with the Tytn II, a lot of people will be waiting for real world comprehensive hands-on reports before they consider an upgrade. Too many people got their fingers burnt on what they assumed would be in the current model.
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Did they, really?? All I remember is an offish, wooly statement to the effect that undisclosed future devices would probably be more video-centric, I don't remember any solemn promises about what all future phones might have. The way you word it makes it sound as if HTC were actually apologetic or admitted fault in some way, and that's certainly not the case!
We also can't rule out the possibility that if the Tytn III comes with a video driver, than it will be possible to port it to the Tytn II.
The Tytn II with hardware video acceleration will be a totally different device too...
The 2.8" screen is a *tiny* screen. I'm not sure how much VGA is going to add to the overall experience on such a tiny screen... but on the other hand, video acceleration is going to be a big thing.
I'm simply annoyed that I'm going to spend money on the Tytn III mainly to get a feature I should have gotten with the Tytn II - hardware video acceleration. This is just not fair.
If the Tytn III does not come with the driver, there is no way I'm upgrading though.
HTC is a bunch of douche bags. They have either forgotten or never understood how to deliver on cutomer needs. If the TyTNII adds video acceleration (which is still a big question mark) and VGA it will not imo be a worthy upgrade. I just paid $700 for this TyTNII! Honestly, I think ppl need to get out of the mindset that we need to let HTC nickel and dime us to death with little upgrades and big disappointments. I might have to wait a little while until 2009, but I want my next device to be based on the Nvidia APX 2500. Look into it, that chip is sick. Hopefully I will be able to say "bye bye" to HTC for good.
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Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?
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I think the big question is, would anyone buy another htc device again... frig, I'm still waiting for the proper video drivers for the tytn 2!! and the problem with the video drivers is not going to be solved once they come out, the big problem facing htc is that we had to wait how friggin long to get them!!!
anyway, if apple comes out with a iphone with everything people want (the iphone 2, or 3 ... maybe 4), htc will end up making nothing but low end cell phones to just survive... keep an eye on htc's stock the next time a new iphone comes out.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...would be great if htc gave us fools that bought the tytn2 a trade in / upgrade!
any idea when it might be out?
It will probably get announced at the beginning of May, with the rest of the new HTC devices, and be released at September, same as the Tytn II and I.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...
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margatenj,
They will never release drivers for the Tytn II, it will not be economically wise for them to pay the fees retroactively, for a soon to be a discontinued model. Many people who never bought HTC before will love to buy the Tytn III with video acceleration drivers. It is going to be a huge hit for newcomers who don't know or don't care how HTC fu%@ed up their customers in the past.
And let's admit it, some of us current owners will happily upgrade to the Tytn III, even if the only difference will be the inclusion of hardware video drivers. It's not like you lose all the money on the current Tytn II, you ebay it, but there is still going to be some $400 difference...
my guess is that Tytn III will be almost identical to sonyericsson Xperia.
You have to understand that the Titan and Tytn lines are identical. The Tytn III will look identical to the Raphael.
I'm willing to bet money on this (if anyone wants to lose his money, that is).
Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate
VGA screen and no drivers..... o dear.... o no.... imagine the speed.. probably 4x slower than the kaiser.
Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.
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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.
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Sure you don't.... but my guess is that the other 90% of geeks over on this board DOES want all that....which isn't very realistic.
And IMHO it's neither realistic to expect an instant (as in 0,000 seconds) switch of orientation from an OS that has gotten almost as big as Windows98 over the years... I think a lag of about two seconds is at least acceptable and realistic for a device that was developed throughout 2006.
I do agree that every thinkable technical advance is very welcome. And in case of forthcoming VGA devices also very neccesary to keep that lag acceptable...
As for the geeks; get an iPhone...a PSP...or whatever...
And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?
And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?
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I'm using NoThrill's 6.1 ROM for my Kaiser. One of the fastest ROMs available.
Yes, sometimes the lag is 1 second or less, and at other times it's more.
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
Hardware video acceleration provides a totally different experience than software acceleration. Try to use your desktop computer with software video acceleration and tell me how you like it, even for the most basic things like rendering 2D images of the interface.
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This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
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Then i guess everybody has quite a different treshold of what to define as an anoying lag.... Personally, i never ever use the onscreen keyboard, i always use the hardware keyboard and keys, and to me the rotation of about 1,5 secs is perfectly acceptable
To me the TyTN II has all i could need for the foreseeable future, and new devices with VGA are nice (aspecially for browsing and office apps), but in no way worth an upgrade. Just plugged in an 8Gb card today , and i'll get WM 6.1 as soon as the official one is there, and then i'll keep running this until 2010 or till it dies...
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Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate
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...Im pretty cool with the II Even watching TV through Slinbox is ok enough for me. It'd be nice if the III went onna diet and slimmed down some and had some more onboard memory but how much more is that gonna cost me?? Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO
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...Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO
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Amen! brother...
flagship devices
de to an ongoing "discussion" in diamond about what a flagship device is, i thought id start a poll about which devices were flagship devices when released.
Flagship devices are decided upon by HTC - not us. Just search for "flagship" on their website, and see which devices come up.
i just thought id say that some of the devices there are placebos, in that i thought id add some that arent exactly in the running to be flagship devices seeing as they were released when there were technologically better devices available.
Rory
It'll be interesting to compare the results of this with the official list.
I think Diamond is the flagship right now. Kaiser is slowly getting "old". Diamond has accelerometers, so thats just cool. Its already preped for WM7.
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I think Diamond is the flagship right now. Kaiser is slowly getting "old". Diamond has accelerometers, so thats just cool. Its already preped for WM7.
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I agree. I think that, at least in the US, the Hermes was much more of flagship in its time than the Kaiser/Tilt is now. Hermes was much more of a jump in tech from the Wizard than the Kaiser is from the Hermes.
The Touch Diamond is packing HTC's newest and greatest tech, so I'm sure it will be the company's flagship for some time to come.
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I agree. I think that, at least in the US, the Hermes was much more of flagship in its time than the Kaiser/Tilt is now. Hermes was much more of a jump in tech from the Wizard than the Kaiser is from the Hermes.
The Touch Diamond is packing HTC's newest and greatest tech, so I'm sure it will be the company's flagship for some time to come.
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What for the next six months! Because that’s the rate at which they are releasing their touch range of devices at the moment!
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What for the next six months! Because that’s the rate at which they are releasing their touch range of devices at the moment!
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Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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It should be noted that the Touch family has been designed with one-handed operation in mind, unlike any similar devices (as far as I'm aware). Bigger touchscreens and keyboards require both hands to be used easily, which means that they interrupt other things more.
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It should be noted that the Touch family has been designed with one-handed operation in mind, unlike any similar devices (as far as I'm aware). Bigger touchscreens and keyboards require both hands to be used easily, which means that they interrupt other things more.
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If I was concerned with full time one handed operation, I wouldn't be using a Hermes right now.
As it is, everything about the Touch that made it so one hand friendly has been made available, via the excellent people on this site, to those of us who have the landscape sliders. If the mood should strike me, I could leave my Hermes closed permanently and just use the on screen keyboards and what not. With only one hand; that's what I do when I'm driving.
An analogy I thought of is like this: You're buying a pick up truck, and the V8 (400mhz Hermes/Kaiser) gets the same miles to the gallon (one handed operation, same screen size) as the V6 (200mhz Touch), yet the V8 can tow and do more (full slide out qwerty, stronger processor). Why not get the V8? Likewise, why limit myself to a one-hand centric Touch when a landscape slider can do both? It can function as a one-handed soft keyboard device, but it can also slide open landscape-wise and get down to some serious E-Mail and document composition when it's needed to.
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If I was concerned with full time one handed operation, I wouldn't be using a Hermes right now.
As it is, everything about the Touch that made it so one hand friendly has been made available, via the excellent people on this site, to those of us who have the landscape sliders. If the mood should strike me, I could leave my Hermes closed permanently and just use the on screen keyboards and what not. With only one hand; that's what I do when I'm driving.
An analogy I thought of is like this: You're buying a pick up truck, and the V8 (400mhz Hermes/Kaiser) gets the same miles to the gallon (one handed operation, same screen size) as the V6 (200mhz Touch), yet the V8 can tow and do more (full slide out qwerty, stronger processor). Why not get the V8? Likewise, why limit myself to a one-hand centric Touch when a landscape slider can do both? It can function as a one-handed soft keyboard device, but it can also slide open landscape-wise and get down to some serious E-Mail and document composition when it's needed to.
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Hmm...But you forget, both in your analogy and in real life, the increased size, cost and weight.
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Hmm...But you forget, both in your analogy and in real life, the increased size, cost and weight.
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Cost on these new WM biggies is negligible. They slated to be very close in price.
But I'm with you on the size and weight thing. The Diamond is a sleek little phone.
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Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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No need to jump ship, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is actually made by HTC!
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No need to jump ship, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is actually made by HTC!
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Really? That's sweet, I didn't know that.
I'll see how the two feel next to one other. I've decided to go with the X1, and my wife will be getting the Diamond, so I'll be able to play with both of them.
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Actually the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is virtually no bigger than the last touch phone the O2 Orbit2 / HTC Polaris / Touch Cruise, so no additional bulk to carry if you’re upgrading from them. And much smaller if it’s an upgrade from the TyTn range.
When compared to the Diamond, the extra 0.5 cm gives you a larger screen, bigger battery, and expandable memory along with the keyboard, a good trade off in my book!
Hey even the just the optional larger extended battery for the Diamond will probably add that much extra bulk.
As beautifu as the Diamond is, it cant be a flagship device, not with the HTC Touch Pro release date imminent, just by pure specs alone, that makes it HTC's next flagship device
I haven't seen a thread on this yet as the news was just released so I need to figure this out.
Here: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-leaks-out/
and here: http://www.geardiary.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-for-2008-blackjack-3-wi-fi-blackberry-curve/
From the article:
AT&T Tilt 2 due Q4 - Specs below:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional Edition
Tri-band HSDPA (3.6); Quad-band EDGE
Qualcomm 528 MHz processor
256MB ROM/ 128MB RAM
3.0 MP camera
WiFi; Bluetooth 2.0
PTT; AGPS
VSC (at launch)
Also good news from the article:
AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
So my question that I'm trying to get figured out is whether or not this "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro/Raphel? Tilt 2 would indicate that the screen can tilt (common sense draws that conclusion anyway) like the current Kaiser can. All evidence of the Touch Pro indicates that it does not tilt. This "Tilt 2" also lists a 3.0mp camera while Touch Pro is a 3.2. Also, this article lists 256 ROM / 128 RAM and all evidence I've read on the Touch Pro/Raphel has said it will have 512 ROM / 228 RAM. I am going to be pissed if the GSM version of this phone only has 128 RAM. Thats what our phones have now! Plus it's going to have to run touchflo3d!? Give me a break.
Please give me some insight into what you guys think.
Touch Pro specs: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro-phone-p_2879.html
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7/23/08
Touch Pro confirmed for ATT?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945
idk but it would sure be nice if we could break out phones and get it replaced with the Tilt II. or atleast get some sort of cheap discount on it by already owning the Tilt.
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AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
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hmmm, i bet there is a leaked version of it available now. Lets see if we can find it.
Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.
redbandana said:
Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.
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Check the specs they don't match up
I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.
kareem9nba said:
I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.
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HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...
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HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...
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Yea i'm aware of that. The X1 still has some nice advantages over the Raphael such as the 3 inch screen.
HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").
im not gonna ever consider buying the phone until someone tests quake 3 on it. then test for a touch screen bug, then test some emulators, and finally test the video performance.
You and those games lol
Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.
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Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.
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HERE HERE, WELL SAID
Watch it be the same phone with an upgraded cpu and the front camera and still no driver.
Boinng said:
HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").
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What makes it so obvious? As stated before, based on these hardware sheets the only improvement is a faster processor. If you compare the Kaiser to a Touch Pro (not this "Tilt 2") there are much more improvements than simply a faster processor. The Touch Pro doubles the RAM and ROM, it has a 3.2MP camera rather than a 3, and I know this one is not listed but it also has a VGA screen. If I was writing up the specs for the "Tilt 2" you better believe I would have included the fact that it has a freaking VGA screen rather than QVGA.
Right
So we're saying that HTC have developed a barely upgraded version of the Tilt especially for AT&T, that's really sucky and a year behind the competition, while the rest of the world and every other network gets the Touch Pro?
Yep, that's more believable than a couple of misprints in an internal document.
Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?
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Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?
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Just based on common knowledge. 65nm tech consumes less power. The X1 whitepaper says it will last 10 hours on GSM and 6.5 hours on UMTS (talk time).
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Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Dont tell anyone about the X-1 comming to AT&T my tech department at AT&T is supposed to keep that a secret, your going to get all of us in trouble
Was that because the phone is fat?
I thing it's because they asked HTC to build the X1 for them. HTC made them believe it's better without g-sensor.
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I thing it's because they asked HTC to build the X1 for them. HTC made them believe it's better without g-sensor.
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But why? HTC own phones have g-sensor?
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But why? HTC own phones have g-sensor?
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becuz no one will buy htc phone anymore if X1 has g-sensor!!
The only advantage of htc phone now is only g-sensor
I think with the motherboards used in the HTC's and X1, there are only a certain number of ports available for add-ons such as acceleromenter. We got an optical mouse instead of the accelerometer.
They got TV-Out, we got stereo headphone jack.
I'm just speculating though.
We could have Optical Mouse and G-sensor switchable if so.
i thing it's a pure marketing decision for HTC to play this way. SonEr are in no more contacts with HTC. X2 is developed with someone else help...
sometimes they do it because of some technical limitations but if you ask me most of the times they do it on purpose for dirty political reasons.
most probably to leave some room for "improvement" of future models. why would people buy fthe x2 for $700-$800 if the x1 has everything
htc did that with tp2. they put some artificial limitations on the touch pro2 to make room tp3 next year. why else would they release it with a slow 528mhz cpu or flashless 3.2 camera and no 3.5mm jack or more
apple are even worse than htc with their ultra low resolution hvga screen, flashless 2mp camera (1 year after nokia released 5 MPexel cameras with flash ) and the many software limitations that will probably be activated in next year model
bottomline...if manufaturers think they will be able to sell a lot of devices, it makes sense to them to give it to you with as little features and hardware defecancies as possible. it makes too much scene as far as their current and future profit margins is concerned
in x1 case though. i think SE didnt include the the accelerometer because it was (x1) announced in feb08 and at the time, there was no windows phone that had or even announced that it would have accelerometer capability. the touch diamond and Omnia were the first devices to have it and both were released much later than feb 08. seems to me that it was an honest mistake or by se part
Because they want to milk us for more cash. If the x1 is perfect you will not have a reason to buy the X2.
if those pics are realy then noone is going to buy the X2 anyway
btw, i dont miss the G-sensor. had one in my n95 and disabled it cause the auto screenrotation roratet teh srcreens when i didnt want to. it was more anoying the usefull.
i'd rather have a compass so navigation turns more realtime.
Another reason could be that, at the time, there just wasn't enough WM software available to take advantge of an accelerometer. So what would be the point of adding one?
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Another reason could be that, at the time, there just wasn't enough WM software available to take advantge of an accelerometer. So what would be the point of adding one?
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They could have added it and activated it later through updates.
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Was that because the phone is fat?
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Now what I am about to say...I think a lot of people on this forum will disagree on me....the removed it because it's a smart choice that accelerometer is an annoying feature and it takes hardware space.
I hate hate hate hate hate turning on the accelerometer so much! I'd rather have a button on the side of a phone to decide when to rotate the screen... all manufactures are too stupid to add a fast CPU and a switch button to prove to mankind that my idea is better than accelerometer.
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Now what I am about to say...I think a lot of people on this forum will disagree on me....the removed it because it's a smart choice that accelerometer is an annoying feature and it takes hardware space.
I hate hate hate hate hate turning on the accelerometer so much! I'd rather have a button on the side of a phone to decide when to rotate the screen... all manufactures are too stupid to add a fast CPU and a switch button to prove to mankind that my idea is better than accelerometer.
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This I agree!
I'd turn it off on the day one..
It is good for games, but not much else lol.
Well, I would agree with the last three posts. I've never had a phone with accelerometer, but, that's been my thinking all along...what exactly is it good for beside games? As slow as WM is, I would be scared that my phone would lock up or crash if I turned it too many times.
If they manage to put one in the next X phone and have some software that really uses it to it's fullest potential, then I'm all for it.
The Diamond and Omnia had it so that the screen can rotate when the phone is held in landscape.
The X1 has a keyboard & senses when it's opened, so doesn't need an accelerometer for anything that important.
Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
Similar to all those complaining the Pro2 doesn't have a snapdragon (which no currently available phones have) + better camera + flash + 3.5mm socket + all the form factor benefits of the pro2, all for the same price as an HD. And apparently it's all a con so we can buy the pro3 next year!
THE GRIZZ said:
sometimes they do it because of some technical limitations but if you ask me most of the times they do it on purpose for dirty political reasons.
most probably to leave some room for "improvement" of future models. why would people buy fthe x2 for $700-$800 if the x1 has everything
htc did that with tp2. they put some artificial limitations on the touch pro2 to make room tp3 next year. why else would they release it with a slow 528mhz cpu or flashless 3.2 camera and no 3.5mm jack or more
apple are even worse than htc with their ultra low resolution hvga screen, flashless 2mp camera (1 year after nokia released 5 MPexel cameras with flash ) and the many software limitations that will probably be activated in next year model
bottomline...if manufaturers think they will be able to sell a lot of devices, it makes sense to them to give it to you with as little features and hardware defecancies as possible. it makes too much scene as far as their current and future profit margins is concerned
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That's what I also thought, and it makes me so mad.....if only we could purchase customized phones the way we purchase customized computers/laptops or customize them ourselves, then we would totally get exactly what we want.
DavidMc0 said:
The Diamond and Omnia had it so that the screen can rotate when the phone is held in landscape.
The X1 has a keyboard & senses when it's opened, so doesn't need an accelerometer for anything that important.
Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
Similar to all those complaining the Pro2 doesn't have a snapdragon (which no currently available phones have) + better camera + flash + 3.5mm socket + all the form factor benefits of the pro2, all for the same price as an HD. And apparently it's all a con so we can buy the pro3 next year!
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So if you were a marketing and economic advisor for your company, you'd tell the asking company that it would be a wiser choice to put everything in all at once? That's a waste. You have to understand that what you say is correct, but for an economic it is correct if in terms of services. Services typically strive to do better than other people who provide the same service, no matter what. Goods are a little bit different than service, in which as long as other companies set margins to what their device provide, then the company will also set margins as well. Now we aren't talking about eBay crap or haggling, so the end result is an expected increase in real profit.
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Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
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You would be surprised.
doministry said:
This I agree!
I'd turn it off on the day one..
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Can't I turn it off at day zero?!
Totally agree with you, tried a phone with accelerator and didn't like it... I just see no real use of it (apart from games)