Was that because the phone is fat?
I thing it's because they asked HTC to build the X1 for them. HTC made them believe it's better without g-sensor.
sms2000 said:
I thing it's because they asked HTC to build the X1 for them. HTC made them believe it's better without g-sensor.
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But why? HTC own phones have g-sensor?
Euroman28 said:
But why? HTC own phones have g-sensor?
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becuz no one will buy htc phone anymore if X1 has g-sensor!!
The only advantage of htc phone now is only g-sensor
I think with the motherboards used in the HTC's and X1, there are only a certain number of ports available for add-ons such as acceleromenter. We got an optical mouse instead of the accelerometer.
They got TV-Out, we got stereo headphone jack.
I'm just speculating though.
We could have Optical Mouse and G-sensor switchable if so.
i thing it's a pure marketing decision for HTC to play this way. SonEr are in no more contacts with HTC. X2 is developed with someone else help...
sometimes they do it because of some technical limitations but if you ask me most of the times they do it on purpose for dirty political reasons.
most probably to leave some room for "improvement" of future models. why would people buy fthe x2 for $700-$800 if the x1 has everything
htc did that with tp2. they put some artificial limitations on the touch pro2 to make room tp3 next year. why else would they release it with a slow 528mhz cpu or flashless 3.2 camera and no 3.5mm jack or more
apple are even worse than htc with their ultra low resolution hvga screen, flashless 2mp camera (1 year after nokia released 5 MPexel cameras with flash ) and the many software limitations that will probably be activated in next year model
bottomline...if manufaturers think they will be able to sell a lot of devices, it makes sense to them to give it to you with as little features and hardware defecancies as possible. it makes too much scene as far as their current and future profit margins is concerned
in x1 case though. i think SE didnt include the the accelerometer because it was (x1) announced in feb08 and at the time, there was no windows phone that had or even announced that it would have accelerometer capability. the touch diamond and Omnia were the first devices to have it and both were released much later than feb 08. seems to me that it was an honest mistake or by se part
Because they want to milk us for more cash. If the x1 is perfect you will not have a reason to buy the X2.
if those pics are realy then noone is going to buy the X2 anyway
btw, i dont miss the G-sensor. had one in my n95 and disabled it cause the auto screenrotation roratet teh srcreens when i didnt want to. it was more anoying the usefull.
i'd rather have a compass so navigation turns more realtime.
Another reason could be that, at the time, there just wasn't enough WM software available to take advantge of an accelerometer. So what would be the point of adding one?
WhyBe said:
Another reason could be that, at the time, there just wasn't enough WM software available to take advantge of an accelerometer. So what would be the point of adding one?
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They could have added it and activated it later through updates.
Euroman28 said:
Was that because the phone is fat?
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Now what I am about to say...I think a lot of people on this forum will disagree on me....the removed it because it's a smart choice that accelerometer is an annoying feature and it takes hardware space.
I hate hate hate hate hate turning on the accelerometer so much! I'd rather have a button on the side of a phone to decide when to rotate the screen... all manufactures are too stupid to add a fast CPU and a switch button to prove to mankind that my idea is better than accelerometer.
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Now what I am about to say...I think a lot of people on this forum will disagree on me....the removed it because it's a smart choice that accelerometer is an annoying feature and it takes hardware space.
I hate hate hate hate hate turning on the accelerometer so much! I'd rather have a button on the side of a phone to decide when to rotate the screen... all manufactures are too stupid to add a fast CPU and a switch button to prove to mankind that my idea is better than accelerometer.
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This I agree!
I'd turn it off on the day one..
It is good for games, but not much else lol.
Well, I would agree with the last three posts. I've never had a phone with accelerometer, but, that's been my thinking all along...what exactly is it good for beside games? As slow as WM is, I would be scared that my phone would lock up or crash if I turned it too many times.
If they manage to put one in the next X phone and have some software that really uses it to it's fullest potential, then I'm all for it.
The Diamond and Omnia had it so that the screen can rotate when the phone is held in landscape.
The X1 has a keyboard & senses when it's opened, so doesn't need an accelerometer for anything that important.
Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
Similar to all those complaining the Pro2 doesn't have a snapdragon (which no currently available phones have) + better camera + flash + 3.5mm socket + all the form factor benefits of the pro2, all for the same price as an HD. And apparently it's all a con so we can buy the pro3 next year!
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sometimes they do it because of some technical limitations but if you ask me most of the times they do it on purpose for dirty political reasons.
most probably to leave some room for "improvement" of future models. why would people buy fthe x2 for $700-$800 if the x1 has everything
htc did that with tp2. they put some artificial limitations on the touch pro2 to make room tp3 next year. why else would they release it with a slow 528mhz cpu or flashless 3.2 camera and no 3.5mm jack or more
apple are even worse than htc with their ultra low resolution hvga screen, flashless 2mp camera (1 year after nokia released 5 MPexel cameras with flash ) and the many software limitations that will probably be activated in next year model
bottomline...if manufaturers think they will be able to sell a lot of devices, it makes sense to them to give it to you with as little features and hardware defecancies as possible. it makes too much scene as far as their current and future profit margins is concerned
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That's what I also thought, and it makes me so mad.....if only we could purchase customized phones the way we purchase customized computers/laptops or customize them ourselves, then we would totally get exactly what we want.
DavidMc0 said:
The Diamond and Omnia had it so that the screen can rotate when the phone is held in landscape.
The X1 has a keyboard & senses when it's opened, so doesn't need an accelerometer for anything that important.
Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
Similar to all those complaining the Pro2 doesn't have a snapdragon (which no currently available phones have) + better camera + flash + 3.5mm socket + all the form factor benefits of the pro2, all for the same price as an HD. And apparently it's all a con so we can buy the pro3 next year!
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So if you were a marketing and economic advisor for your company, you'd tell the asking company that it would be a wiser choice to put everything in all at once? That's a waste. You have to understand that what you say is correct, but for an economic it is correct if in terms of services. Services typically strive to do better than other people who provide the same service, no matter what. Goods are a little bit different than service, in which as long as other companies set margins to what their device provide, then the company will also set margins as well. Now we aren't talking about eBay crap or haggling, so the end result is an expected increase in real profit.
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Suggesting they left it out so that they can sell more X2s is quite funny - honestly, who's going to buy an X2 just because it has an accelerometer?
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You would be surprised.
doministry said:
This I agree!
I'd turn it off on the day one..
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Can't I turn it off at day zero?!
Totally agree with you, tried a phone with accelerator and didn't like it... I just see no real use of it (apart from games)
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flagship devices
de to an ongoing "discussion" in diamond about what a flagship device is, i thought id start a poll about which devices were flagship devices when released.
Flagship devices are decided upon by HTC - not us. Just search for "flagship" on their website, and see which devices come up.
i just thought id say that some of the devices there are placebos, in that i thought id add some that arent exactly in the running to be flagship devices seeing as they were released when there were technologically better devices available.
Rory
It'll be interesting to compare the results of this with the official list.
I think Diamond is the flagship right now. Kaiser is slowly getting "old". Diamond has accelerometers, so thats just cool. Its already preped for WM7.
grandpareza said:
I think Diamond is the flagship right now. Kaiser is slowly getting "old". Diamond has accelerometers, so thats just cool. Its already preped for WM7.
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I agree. I think that, at least in the US, the Hermes was much more of flagship in its time than the Kaiser/Tilt is now. Hermes was much more of a jump in tech from the Wizard than the Kaiser is from the Hermes.
The Touch Diamond is packing HTC's newest and greatest tech, so I'm sure it will be the company's flagship for some time to come.
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I agree. I think that, at least in the US, the Hermes was much more of flagship in its time than the Kaiser/Tilt is now. Hermes was much more of a jump in tech from the Wizard than the Kaiser is from the Hermes.
The Touch Diamond is packing HTC's newest and greatest tech, so I'm sure it will be the company's flagship for some time to come.
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What for the next six months! Because that’s the rate at which they are releasing their touch range of devices at the moment!
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What for the next six months! Because that’s the rate at which they are releasing their touch range of devices at the moment!
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Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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It should be noted that the Touch family has been designed with one-handed operation in mind, unlike any similar devices (as far as I'm aware). Bigger touchscreens and keyboards require both hands to be used easily, which means that they interrupt other things more.
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It should be noted that the Touch family has been designed with one-handed operation in mind, unlike any similar devices (as far as I'm aware). Bigger touchscreens and keyboards require both hands to be used easily, which means that they interrupt other things more.
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If I was concerned with full time one handed operation, I wouldn't be using a Hermes right now.
As it is, everything about the Touch that made it so one hand friendly has been made available, via the excellent people on this site, to those of us who have the landscape sliders. If the mood should strike me, I could leave my Hermes closed permanently and just use the on screen keyboards and what not. With only one hand; that's what I do when I'm driving.
An analogy I thought of is like this: You're buying a pick up truck, and the V8 (400mhz Hermes/Kaiser) gets the same miles to the gallon (one handed operation, same screen size) as the V6 (200mhz Touch), yet the V8 can tow and do more (full slide out qwerty, stronger processor). Why not get the V8? Likewise, why limit myself to a one-hand centric Touch when a landscape slider can do both? It can function as a one-handed soft keyboard device, but it can also slide open landscape-wise and get down to some serious E-Mail and document composition when it's needed to.
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If I was concerned with full time one handed operation, I wouldn't be using a Hermes right now.
As it is, everything about the Touch that made it so one hand friendly has been made available, via the excellent people on this site, to those of us who have the landscape sliders. If the mood should strike me, I could leave my Hermes closed permanently and just use the on screen keyboards and what not. With only one hand; that's what I do when I'm driving.
An analogy I thought of is like this: You're buying a pick up truck, and the V8 (400mhz Hermes/Kaiser) gets the same miles to the gallon (one handed operation, same screen size) as the V6 (200mhz Touch), yet the V8 can tow and do more (full slide out qwerty, stronger processor). Why not get the V8? Likewise, why limit myself to a one-hand centric Touch when a landscape slider can do both? It can function as a one-handed soft keyboard device, but it can also slide open landscape-wise and get down to some serious E-Mail and document composition when it's needed to.
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Hmm...But you forget, both in your analogy and in real life, the increased size, cost and weight.
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Hmm...But you forget, both in your analogy and in real life, the increased size, cost and weight.
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Cost on these new WM biggies is negligible. They slated to be very close in price.
But I'm with you on the size and weight thing. The Diamond is a sleek little phone.
dzelaya18 said:
Yeah, I know. They seem to have a new, "latest and greatest" HTC phone every few months.
Personally I'm leaning towards jumping the HTC ship and getting a Sony Ericsson X1. That big screen and metal case look nice...plus I'd miss my sliding qwerty with a Touch line.
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No need to jump ship, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is actually made by HTC!
imranbashir_uk said:
No need to jump ship, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is actually made by HTC!
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Really? That's sweet, I didn't know that.
I'll see how the two feel next to one other. I've decided to go with the X1, and my wife will be getting the Diamond, so I'll be able to play with both of them.
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Hmm...But you forget, both in your analogy and in real life, the increased size, cost and weight.
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Actually the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is virtually no bigger than the last touch phone the O2 Orbit2 / HTC Polaris / Touch Cruise, so no additional bulk to carry if you’re upgrading from them. And much smaller if it’s an upgrade from the TyTn range.
When compared to the Diamond, the extra 0.5 cm gives you a larger screen, bigger battery, and expandable memory along with the keyboard, a good trade off in my book!
Hey even the just the optional larger extended battery for the Diamond will probably add that much extra bulk.
As beautifu as the Diamond is, it cant be a flagship device, not with the HTC Touch Pro release date imminent, just by pure specs alone, that makes it HTC's next flagship device
OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
For me, the only thing holing me back are: -
1. Support for third party applications, it’s limited at the moment, but will get better over time.
2. A proper satnav application that can make use of the built in GPS (TomTom on the iPhone 3G!)
Please share your thoughts...
Most of the new software features are things that Windows Mobile has done for ages. I'm actually quite pleased with the 3G iPhone - the Touch Diamond has it beaten in key areas for me. These include style, size (apparently it has got bigger, while HTC has managed to make the Touch Diamond smaller than the Touch), handy features and third-party applications.
What shocks me is the way people are reacting to some of the features - Apple seemed to introduce A-GPS as some sort of new innovation, when the Touch Diamond is already out in places, with that very feature...
If you heard the keynote you'll see that apple will have the phone call home. They also sign every executable. That means 'homebrew' wont really exist.
They said that developers can still make free apps, but they have to be distributed through the apple store. In the end thats not going to make a huge difference and you'll see plenty of apps for the iphone appear very very quickly.
For me the 3g iphone wins in everything except size and screen resolution. The main thing that made me think twice about the diamond was the 3g iphone battery life!
.. to be continued.. not decided yet
Dark Fire I know what you mean. Apple fan-boys always seem to be impressed when Apple implement something Windows has been doing for years, and this is not just in iPhone but also the Mac OS as well.
For my money I would go with the Touch Diamond anyday. Apple will always have too much control over it for my liking - I mean today people seemed ecstatic that Apple would now allow you to make and buy applications for it!
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Dark Fire I know what you mean. Apple fan-boys always seem to be impressed when Apple implement something Windows has been doing for years, and this is not just in iPhone but also the Mac OS as well.
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True, but you got to admit whatever windows does, osx and linux do about 10 fold faster.
Can't buy an iPhone, if you have fingernails, you can't use the keyboard. Useless.
Actually that reminds me... on the iphone you can press a key, and it kind of pops up the letter above your finger. You can slide your finger to another letter if that one is wrong i.e. it only picks the letter when you lift your finger.
Does the HTC keyboard do that at all?
Well, as pointless it may be to others, size & weight really matters to me & the Diamond fits perfectly in my hand or pocket can't say that about the iphone the only downside to having that stunning 3.5" screen.
No, it doesnt
someone1234 - Yes.
I think I will be sticking with the diamond, and then waiting and seeing what applications come out for the iPhone. I can always move over to it.
Would you need to include the Sammy i900 in this comparison? Due about the same time.
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someone1234 - Yes.
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cool! thanks.
I think once the 3G iphone is unlockable i'll buy one. For $199 its a bargain. Until then its not worth it - there'll be no decent apps, and what there are will probably cost stupid money.
So I'm decided.. sticking with diamond.
Size is the big issue for me. Diamond wins hands down.
In fact, the only point that iPhone wins is in the interface but TouchFlo is not far behind now, after tweaks
Somehow i think an unlocked iphone 3g is gonna cost a lot more than $200!! more like $300-$350 your forgetting thats $200 plus a maybe 2 year contract!
IMO the diamond has it beat apart from the memory.
Diamond has these over the 3g iphone:
Twice the resolution
video calling
faster browsing
Stereo bluetooth Headphone Support (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Picture Messaging (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Stylus if prefered
Better Camera
Way More Apps and games for now.
Not restricted to certain providers.
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True, but you got to admit whatever windows does, osx and linux do about 10 fold faster.
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Indeed - 10 fold faster, several years later. That's the main difference these days...
someone1234 said:
Actually that reminds me... on the iphone you can press a key, and it kind of pops up the letter above your finger. You can slide your finger to another letter if that one is wrong i.e. it only picks the letter when you lift your finger.
Does the HTC keyboard do that at all?
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Yes, it definitely does that. The problem with the HTC keyboard is that the letter doesn't appear above the key you're pressing - the key sort of expands, so it's still mostly obscured by your finger. I don't really know why HTC thought that was better...
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Somehow i think an unlocked iphone 3g is gonna cost a lot more than $200!! more like $300-$350 your forgetting thats $200 plus a maybe 2 year contract!
IMO the diamond has it beat apart from the memory.
Diamond has these over the 3g iphone:
Twice the resolution
video calling
faster browsing
Stereo bluetooth Headphone Support (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Picture Messaging (not confirmed on the 3g iphone)
Stylus if prefered
Better Camera
Way More Apps and games for now.
Not restricted to certain providers.
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Exactly my point. The tables have turned - the Touch Diamond has the 3G iPhone out handy-featurised and, if anything, the Touch Diamond slightly wins on specs too.
Also, yeah, I think $199 is with a contract. I was reading that Apple wouldn't let network operators subsidise the iPhone before, but now they will let them do that, hence the much lower price.
imranbashir_uk said:
OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
For me, the only thing holing me back are: -
1. Support for third party applications, it’s limited at the moment, but will get better over time.
2. A proper satnav application that can make use of the built in GPS (TomTom on the iPhone 3G!)
Please share your thoughts...
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TomTom for iPhone is already in beta testing and should be released shortly after the 3G iPhone hits stores.
imranbashir_uk said:
OK so now that both have been officially announced, and both will be out in the UK in July, what would you go for and why?
Personally, I iPhone 3G holds a lot of appeal for me, it has resolved all its shortcomings from the original version it’s a tough choice.
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But.... how about cut/copy/paste -- no mention of them.
For me, after trying two different iphones, I have to say that iphone2 is underwhelming -- we who have WinMo phones have been using the direct push email for more than a year and the volume of apps available (many either free or very inexpensive) tip the balance. I know apple has an advantage in controlling hardware and software-- they can optimize them and we see faster performance (but not always) -- but with WinMo there's both hardware and software that will fit everyone's needs/wants. Speed isn't everything.... and I kind of like the freedom from "mother apple" control (according to current info it will be extremely difficult to jailbreak this system).
Why you need an apple when there is HTC
one thing iPhone 3G got its CHEAP hehehehe
Is it really worth the upgrade?
The only plus i see on the Touch pro is the Manilla interface with real 3D.
But i do hope with time, the 3D Drivers get ported on our Kaiser, and therefore we can get the same UI than on the touch Diamond/Pro.
Of course the Touch Pro has a slick design and faster processor, but i dont really care about those .
What do you guys think about it ? Is it worth the 650E ?
I would hold out for a while
I am interested in getting it for the tv out. I would hold out until it gets some impartial reviews on here. I don't think T-Mo is gonna get it in the US but if it gets good reviews, I might get it from someone who gets in over their head with a phone where they don't need this many features.
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Is it really worth the upgrade?
The only plus i see on the Touch pro is the Manilla interface with real 3D.
But i do hope with time, the 3D Drivers get ported on our Kaiser, and therefore we can get the same UI than on the touch Diamond/Pro.
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I wouldn't hold your breath on the video drivers, sure the guys have already done sterling work so far and I thank them for the effort they have put in but in reality, I think that as more and more people move onto the diamond/touch pro then people will fail to care about the kaiser users any more and they will be forgotten. No doubt the devs will have plenty on their hands fixing HTC's latest cockups with their new handsets as I'm sure there will be many.
Personally I'd like nothing more than for those drivers to be polished off and for all of the kaiser users to stick it to HTC by keeping their kaisers and not filling HTC's pockets with cash by upgrading to the latest handset
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I wouldn't hold your breath on the video drivers, sure the guys have already done sterling work so far and I thank them for the effort they have put in but in reality, I think that as more and more people move onto the diamond/touch pro then people will fail to care about the kaiser users any more and they will be forgotten. No doubt the devs will have plenty on their hands fixing HTC's latest cockups with their new handsets as I'm sure there will be many.
Personally I'd like nothing more than for those drivers to be polished off and for all of the kaiser users to stick it to HTC by keeping their kaisers and not filling HTC's pockets with cash by upgrading to the latest handset
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interesting point but how many people will do that? not many when lots of people have little patience for things to be fixed,upgraded,moded and ported.1 of the biggest things is touchflo 3d will obviously be the 1 of the best selling features about the touch pro. if any kaiser user would switch then they would prefer touch pro over the diamond in a heartbeat. i would.
How can you say that?
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Is it really worth the upgrade? The only plus i see on the Touch pro is the Manilla interface with real 3D...QUOTE]
What about?
1. Faster processor
2. Bigger ROM
3. More RAM
4. 480x640 VGA
5. Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
6. LED light/flash
7. FM radio
...not to mention the Accelerometer and a 5 row keyboard.
It has EVERYTHING the TyTn II/Kaiser has PLUS all of this...why NOT upgrade?
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technillion said:
guigui42 said:
Is it really worth the upgrade? The only plus i see on the Touch pro is the Manilla interface with real 3D...QUOTE]
What about?
1. Faster processor
2. Bigger ROM
3. More RAM
4. 480x640 VGA
5. Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
6. LED light/flash
7. FM radio
...not to mention the Accelerometer and a 5 row keyboard.
It has EVERYTHING the TyTn II/Kaiser has PLUS all of this...why NOT upgrade?
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Quite right - the only thing it does not have is a tilting screen, which I would miss a bit. Overall, there would be no overwhelming reason not to upgrade to Touch Pro if it weren't for the the Xperia X1 with WVGA screen, slightly tilted screen & probably nicer build quality (loved the high end Clie's!).
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technillion said:
Quite right - the only thing it does not have is a tilting screen, which I would miss a bit.
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I would say the tilted screen is perhaps one feature that I would miss THE MOST!!
hehehe, Imagine...you are in your office, school, etc, and you are having lunch on your own, and feel like watching a movie clip to go with your lunch...
Place your TyTN II on your desk, flip the screen and tilt it, and voila you have your own mini portable tv with the right angle...
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meckah said:
Place your TyTN II on your desk, flip the screen and tilt it, and voila you have your own mini portable tv with the right angle...
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Yep, I do this nearly every day at work. (And not necessarily only on lunch).
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Yep, I do this nearly every day at work. (And not necessarily only on lunch).
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Tsk Tsk, Please come to my office first thing tomorrow.
Personally, I think many are putting too much into touch flow 3-d. I, personally, think it would suck. Finger prints and sluggish performance are hardly the fate I forsee my expensive handset espousing.
Just my opinion, and I assume others have different ones.
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Personally, I think many are putting too much into touch flow 3-d. I, personally, think it would suck. Finger prints and sluggish performance are hardly the fate I forsee my expensive handset espousing.
Just my opinion, and I assume others have different ones.
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The point of having a touch screen is to be able to use your finger on it, not only stylus (else i would just get a Palm ).
And you have to admit, WM6 UI is not finger friendly. Luckily, we have iContacts, S2U etc... You talk about finger prings ? just have to wash your hands often and clean your screen once in a while.
I use my Kaiser 90% of time with my thumb, no stylus (only for non finger friendly apps).
So, in MY case, the touch Diamond / Pro UI is a must !
@technillion
I dont really care about the extra speed (as long as we have the proper drivers the kaiser is powerful enough) or extra space (gotta love the SDHC cards ), or even care less about the FM radio (who actually listen to FM radio nowdays ? its the internet era ).
But you are right, the VGA screen does seem pretty nice.
Also as mentioned above, i think the tilted screen will surely be missed.
Finally, i think i will wait for the next generation HTC to come out (September 2009 i suppose ?). Its a long wait, but if i must spend 650E, i prefer it to be for something that adds a really value compared to my Kaiser.
Just noticed your reply and wanted to comment. I agree with "finger friendly." However, using your finger to rub the screen (aka swipe) is different (read more smudgies) than using your finger to make a peck (or your finger nail as I do).
But I guess my point is really moot. After I talk on my phone, the screen is always covered in facial oil (I live in the S. Georgia, so I tend to sweat a lot). So, I guess finger smudges are really of little concern.
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Just noticed your reply and wanted to comment. I agree with "finger friendly." However, using your finger to rub the screen (aka swipe) is different (read more smudgies) than using your finger to make a peck (or your finger nail as I do).
But I guess my point is really moot. After I talk on my phone, the screen is always covered in facial oil (I live in the S. Georgia, so I tend to sweat a lot). So, I guess finger smudges are really of little concern.
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With my ExpertShields screen protector smudgies are not really a problem. Can't really see them unless I hold the phone just so so the reflection revels them. The ExertShild is also very smooth, you finger and stylus just gliudes across the screen.
I'll be eligable for an up grade in Febuary, and I plan to get one.
No 2D drivers, but 3D drivers is like saying.... you can play Crisis 3D realtime, but ur computer is not XP capable... :-/... Thats whats stopping me from getting it... I was really into HTC until I bought the AT&T Tilt... I just dont trust HTC with anything even though I feel like HTC Dream might actually be a good phone... I'd now rather just move to Nokia or Sony (because Sony doesnt release products until it matches quality... and if it doesnt, they WILL recall it ... )...
Tilt Screen
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technillion said:
Quite right - the only thing it does not have is a tilting screen, which I would miss a bit. Overall, there would be no overwhelming reason not to upgrade to Touch Pro if it weren't for the the Xperia X1 with WVGA screen, slightly tilted screen & probably nicer build quality (loved the high end Clie's!).
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If they put in a "Tilt Screen" they will not have enough things to put in the HTC Touch Pro Extreme next Generation. The Tilt will be in next Junes upgrade.
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why not wait for xmas when nvidia releases their chip and companies make phones with 1080p out put that can play for 10hrs straight. that would be so much more apealing then any other device.
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Is it really worth the upgrade? The only plus i see on the Touch pro is the Manilla interface with real 3D...QUOTE]
What about?
1. Faster processor
2. Bigger ROM
3. More RAM
4. 480x640 VGA
5. Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
6. LED light/flash
7. FM radio
...not to mention the Accelerometer and a 5 row keyboard.
It has EVERYTHING the TyTn II/Kaiser has PLUS all of this...why NOT upgrade?
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Some things are missing on the diamond pro compared to the Kaiser :
- the tilting screen : everyone knows this one ...
- the hardware buttons : the diamond has a very small amount of buttons. For me it is an important point as this is the fastest way to launch applications. It is also very important if you are a gamer.
- the scroll wheel : also very usefull for me.
- the power consomption is higher than the Kaiser. VGA screens are very power consuming screens.
- software compatibility problems : some applications just do not work (Tomtom 7 for exemple), some others do not work properly. It is mostly related to the VGA screen.
I also saw on the diamond threads that the speed is still an issue with this device. Some actual owners of the diamond reported to me that coming from the Kaiser (they had one before) it does not seem to be really worth the upgrade as the use of the phone in an "everyday activity" is not faster than the Kaiser. For exemle, using it as a phone sometimes take seconds for just closing a call ...
Just check, on the XDA forum, the Diamond threads and you will see that it may really not be worth the upgrade, at least this is my conclusion !
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I also consider how much I would get from my Kaiser selling it now. Changing phones once a year can actually be very close (not the same, but almost) on the money spend as changing once every 2 yrs.
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why not wait for xmas when nvidia releases their chip and companies make phones with 1080p out put that can play for 10hrs straight. that would be so much more apealing then any other device.
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i would like to see this first.. will probably be vaporware
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why not wait for xmas when nvidia releases their chip and companies make phones with 1080p out put that can play for 10hrs straight. that would be so much more apealing then any other device.
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Do u have some closer info about phones with nvidia chips? I would like to know some info about that.
Any Tilt or Kaiser owners plan to upgrade to the Touch Pro 2? Does it seem like it would be a significant upgrade? I'm curious to what you fellow Tilt/Kaiser owners think...
I have the Tilt and have not upgraded to the Fuze. I was waiting for the next big thing that ATT was potentially was going to bring over and it seem like this is it. I love the device's design in every aspect; looks amazing physicaly. What i don't like is that they stuck it with a 3mp camera (and removed flash!). I absolutely love the 3.6" screen. Basically, i'm pretty sure i'll be upgrading (i saved my contract upgrade and rejected the Fuze for this reason).
Yeah, I'm going to buy Touch Pro2, the reasons why, larger screen, better hardware, 5-row keyboard, looks very very cool, more finger-friendly.
iphone. if lack of a hw keyboard is not a deal breaker. After owning 2 winmo phones (currently using a tilt) and modding many other peoples iphones, i can honestly say that the iphone is superior in usability/apps/stability. after drooling for a touch diamond and then hearing my friend say its laggy after he bought it, was a real disappointment. Microsoft is really behind the curve in the mobile sector. Thinking about selling my tilt for iphone now. Might wait till winmo 7 to come out before purchasing another winmo phone. For the record i'm a pc guy and i think apple products/fans our generally pretentious and kinda douche-ie (not all though).
Not sure about the Touch Pro2. I rarely .. if ever use my keyboard. I am waiting on the HTC Topaz for ATT..... drool.
I'm probably gonna go for the TP2. 800x480 screen!
They only issue i see with the device is that they've removed the d-pad.
HTC looks like they've put every good feature into this device, from FM Radio to TV Out. It looks perfect, and although a faster processor or a DPAD wouldn't hurt. And a 6.5 upgrade sounds good as well. I am certainly getting this phone.
Dave
good thing i passed on the fuze too...The Touch pro 2 will definitely be up there on my next phone list...And this will probably be the real successor to the tytn ii...I think it also matches the specs we had a few months back on the then phantom "TILT 2" that never showed up...until now...
TP 2.... is it worth sniffing at?
Does anyone know if it'll have proper 3D and 2 D DirectX and Direct Draw drivers included? I'm not wanting a HTC customised menu so much as full native support of the built in hardware within the operating system and parts thereof such as Pocket Mediaplayer itself. I'd like to use video playback without having to slash the frame rates and/or resolution as I have to with my Kaiser (even under TCPMP).
I'm concerned to read that although it has GPS support, it doesn't appear to list what software is provided to use this in the UK/Europe. Does this mean that it could be the TP all over again with HTC refusing to acknowledge any GPS problems that may crop up? Without a tried and tested native GPS app bundled with the device, it won't be one for me.
I'm very tempted - but I think I'll have to wait until I actually can put my hands on one in a shop to decide. I fear I will find it too large and/or thick for my liking. The Tilt is thick, but small. The iphone is large to the point I feel mixed with regard to the size in the pocket/screen comfort balance, but at least is thin. The TP2 will be large AND thick. And it loses the DPAD indeed, and I use that a lot
only a few people think it would be a worthy upgrade?
What's that saying, once bitten....
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct. HTC need to learn from its mistakes and provide a product that actually meets peoples needs fully and reliably if they want those who've already been stung by them to part with cash on a new HTC product. Many people here have already said they'll never buy another HTC product due to all the problems they've had so you get an idea of the extent of feeling about such things!
I'm planning to get the TP2
- Higher resolution big and wide screen
- Larger battery
- Faster processor
- More internal memory
- 5 row keyboard
- TV out
- USB OTG
- New TOUCH FLO 3D with larger soft menu screens
- WM 6.5 (when HTC will make it available)
I'll miss:
- D-pad
- Jog wheel
- Buttons!
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct.
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Or, there are people like me who are really happy with the Kaiser, and for whom it would take something really good to warrant a change. As said, I'll see the TP2 when it's there, but until then I don't plan to change at all.
If the cookers start cooking good roms and it can be unlocked ok then yes it looks lovely
Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2
Nope. LOVE IT!
Hi!
I can only speak for my self, but I totally love the device. If I had to choose a different device, it would have been the TouchHD, with one of the new cooked ROMs that almost makes the HD into a "large" diamond2
I guest that some would like a hardware keyboard, but after installing FingerKeyboard 2.1 the need for a HW keyboard is totally vanished.
Regards,
PK
I did regret initially when i got the device as i was moving from iphone. The sensitivity was an issue. But now i totally adore it.. So many mods, themes and apps available for diamond 2. I am so used to the phone now
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Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2
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i had the same dilema.
There are some pros and cons, from my p.o.v., regarding TP2, and the first is price. Does it worth 100 e. (at least)? Only for kb, no. For the screen, yes, but then we have THD, wich is bigger! What remains? Super-extra feature: conference bla-bla... no thanks, i don't need that. Anything else? Oh, camera... 5 vs. 3 Mp., so worse. And no radio.
One more: now vs. "soon".
I choose NOW.
No regrets here
Hi there,
I also love it! There is only one thing I miss from my former Kaiser and that's the Scroll-Wheel for "one-hand" usage just operated by the thumb.
I hope to get the Zoom-Bar replaced for scrolling, though.
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JTGBDR
Me tooshort battery life. soft speakers.even tweaks etc dont improve that much
Really love the improvement from the Diamond I had before. Some outstanding apps. og programs
No regrets here. Love it to death. Will make babies with it.
TD2 is the best yet from HTC IMO
LUV IT!
I must say I have no regrets buying my Diamond 2,
But there are some minor ignorances that I encountered,
But I am sure either HTC will fix them, Or you are able to tweak them.
The not so good radio reception (in some countries with some providers) will need a new radio by HTC
The not rotating applications can be fixed by a minor tweak aswell.
One thing I seriously can't stand is the incompatibility with games )
Like Guitar Hero 3, it installs great, but doesn't start (Trial by Microsoft)
Although I think if the developers of the game would put in some effort, It would work in no time.
But that's just my opinion
I hope that you enjoy whichever phone you buy
- Jeutie
no regrets at all.
Would buy it again. and again and again :-D
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No regrets here. Love it to death. Will make babies with it.
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LOL, same here
However, this device is most suitable for POWER USERS (meaning: you love tweaking and installing new stuff on your device). If you need a phone for calling, SMS, e-mails and a little browsing, the iPhone 3G beats the diamond2 due to it's amazingly sensitive screen and UI.
Touch Pro2 is for business users. You get a keyboard, hence it's gigantic.
No regret at all, for me it is the best WM device at the moment, and currently I prefer WM over other mobile OS (do not like symbian, WebOs not here yet, Android not ready imho (and should be installable on the TD2 anyway), and I can not stand Apple policies (much more closed than microsoft starting from an opensource OS? yuck!)
I just have compared TD2 against HD, TD1, TP1 and Omnia this WeekEnd (visited a tech supermarket that add all the phones on demo to play with), and no question, the TD2 win hands down: best form factor, design and screen compared to the others. Some people may have other preferences, but the for me the TD2 hit the sweet spot: small enough, with a screen big enough and the highest resolution (and no need to go further - I would never have though to have to say it, being a resolution freak, but WVGA for 3.2 inches really is enough).
The things I would fix if I had to design the TD3 (HTC, are u hiring? ;-) ) would be more physical inputs (side wheel, more buttons, trackball maybe), slightly larger screen by reducing the borders, battery with higher capacity if possible keeping the device the same size, led flash (more for flashlight than for pics LOL), and digital compass.
Ho yes, and a different, scratch-resistant grippy back, with the possibility to use integrated flip screen cover à la Samsung Touchwiz ( http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/review/0076/samsung-f480/page3/ ). This is an excellent idea imho, the right balance between thin device and good screen protection...
And a proc that can record and play [email protected] H264 video without using more juice that the MSM7200a ;-)
Possible imho with the current technology at a price not much higher than the TD2, but then HTC would kill its upgrade revenues...
Waiting for this perfect device, the TD2 is the best approximation right now ;-)
Sheldon Cooper said:
Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2
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I love my Diamond2 - had it from the day it was released in the UK. Before, I had the S710 which was a great little device but was a bit too early, didn't have 3G. I went for the Diamond2 as I think I spend more time surfing, reading news etc. on it compared to typing. That said, because it's a much more usable device, I am finding myself typing more - especially as got internet email from work.
It would be perfect but I have the following little gripes:
I don't like the way you have to answer the phone by sliding the bar. I just can't get the hang of it and tend to end up cancelling the call.
I wish it had some form of flash - but the photos it does take when the light is good are excellent. The widescreen is an interesting mode
For some reason, it starts running really slowly after a while. For example, the rather cool animation effect when flipping through text messages becomes much slower. As does whizzing up and down the list of emails. I suspect this is a problem with Garmin XT as it does seem worse after using that program. Powering down and back on fixes it.
The battery takes a long time to charge when used in a cradle. The cradle has both USB power and data (I'm aware USB alone is slower charge). The device runs very hot during charging. When ActiveSync is running, it keeps the display/device running and I suspect it's discharging almost as fast as it's charging. Shame it can't run of pure mains power when plugged in and charge the battery separately.
There aren't enough cool apps to make it really complete with the iPhone! Where's the pouring beer and fishing game apps???
Cheers, Rob.
Some slight compatibility issues put aside (since I'm a total smartphone & ppc noob) I simply love this one!.
It does irritate me that some stuff really needs to be a special version (like coreplayer, which I've tried over and over again, but only the 1.2.5 buil 4506 would actualy install and run) But in the end, you only need one version anyway. Just hope it is the newest version....
It'll probably be fixe when new roms come out. Diamond 2 is quite a new piece on the edge...
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No regrets here. Love it to death. Will make babies with it.
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No regrets at all. Absolutely love mine. I take mine on picnic lunches to the beach. Just me and the D2.
I've upgraded from Touch Diamond 1 and I have no regrets... Way better than TD1.
The only thing i miss is the metal frame and stylus off the Diamond 1