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TyTN vs TyTN 2 D3D?

Hi iv read a bit about the TyTN2 not having d3d support. And that video etc is lacking from this. But does this make the TyTN better? Or does it have the same problems.
Im just about to order The TYTN2 but i dont want to get a phone that is slower than the one i already have?
Any thoughts?

The original TyTN plays videos better for me using TCPMP. But then again, I haven't done any controlled tests on it, software setup isn't exactly the same, yada yada yada. Still, I really wouldn't recommend the Kaiser. Even if it is faster (which I don't find it to be) it would be so marginal as to not be worth the money.

Is this everybodys opinion?

This is my understanding of the situation. The CPU in these 2 devices is not the same. The original TyTN had no 3D processing hardware. The TyTN II does have 3D processing hardware in the Qualcomm CPU. However it has no drivers for it, so it ends up being software rendered. That maybe also apply to direct draw for 2D video processing.

so at least that means that it eaqualy fast/slow? and that we have the hope that a d3d driver is released?

I'd never buy something with the HOPE that it will get better. You shouldn't base your decision on that. HTC has pretty much stated they have no intentions of providing a solution. Our only hope is that we can put enough pressure on them to make them see things differently. But again, I wouldn't bet on it.
If drivers do come out for it, then the Kaiser will still be there for you to buy later. If they don't, then you haven't wasted your money. What's the rush?

I agree with Blowfish64 and I wish I could go back in time and follow his recommendation a month ago when I bought my TyTN II. My hope right now is that I can trade it or a JASJAM with minimal loss

Im getting the phone for free. Have the TyTN now and am quite happy with it. So if the extra memory is of any help i think ill go for it if it is true that is just as fast as the TyTN

That depends on what you use the phone for. Have you had memory problems? If you're a gamer or play lots of videos then I recommend that you cool it for a while, while praying that HTC come to their senses and release ROM updates enabling the 3D and multimedia acceleration that the TyTN II is capable of.

Is there no other Windows Mobile PDA with the same Qualcom Chip? No chance of copying only the drivers to the TYTN2?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Kaiser was the first one with the MSM 7200 processor so it would have the best chance to receive a ROM update soon.

Well if you're getting it for free, why even ask? Unless you're talking about a trade in. But actually, I just ran a couple of tests with a friend's 8525, and using tcpmp to access the Imageon acceleration of that phone, it definitely plays video way better than the Tilt. If you're running out of memory constantly on your 8525, get the Tilt. If you're looking for performance, stay away. That's all I can tell you.

I can get witch ever phone i like for free. 1 per year. Well if i like the TyTN but would like a faster phone.. with qwerty what would you recomend?
(sure hope its not to late to cancel the order )

Check this thread for a fair review:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347152
As for what you're looking for, there really isn't one. That's the problem. After a few years on the market, the TyTN is still the fastest slide out qwerty around. The eTen m800 will be coming out soon with a faster processor and a VGA display, but I've heard their quality has problems as well.

Guys,
How would you c ompare the Artimis with TyTN2?
Thanks.

Blowfish64 said:
Check this thread for a fair review:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347152
As for what you're looking for, there really isn't one. That's the problem. After a few years on the market, the TyTN is still the fastest slide out qwerty around. The eTen m800 will be coming out soon with a faster processor and a VGA display, but I've heard their quality has problems as well.
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Yes, the M800 may be a good device, but with a VGA display, I hope there will be a 2D/3D accelerator inside, or it may be slow. I had a X50v with its onboard 2700G accelerator, and the VGA display was very fast. But I also had a HTC Universal, with no hardware acceleration, in this case the VGA display was not fast enough for graphical applications (videos, etc... just like our Kaiser wich only give us QVGA for the same speed than the Universal !).

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - Kaiser killer

Have you seen this phone? It is certainly a Kaiser killer. Maybe now HTC will start to care about graphics acceleration and performance.

have you read thishttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/no-wonder-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-is-so-good-htc-makes-it/ too?

I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...

:-o And why HTC does not provide drivers for their branded products?

Time to reverse engineer the drivers?

I think everyones pretty much sussed that there's bigger forces at work with regards to the missing drivers, the amount of press the issue got, no company's arrogant enough towards it's customers to purposely with hold a driver that it somehow could of released. Either it doesn't exist and isn't available or there's hardware issues, that or there's financial constraints.

4Site said:
I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...
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Do you actually understand the dynamics here?
HTC have always made devices for other people. Its only recently that they have sold devices under their own branding.
I am not at all suprised that SE are using HTC to make these devices for them. HTC have the production line, experience in touch screen assembly and are expertees in WinMo devices.

i thought the phones HTC made for other people were just rebrands of their own phones.

I'd say this phone was probably born in partnership; SE will have created the external design, HTC came up with the internals. Quite possibly the same internals we'll also see in the Tytn III, Vario 4 etc?
Calling it a "Kaiser killer" is missing the point a little - by the time this phone is released, HTC will be killing the Kaiser itself with their own new devices. This kind of spec (WVGA, strong video performance etc) is exactly what you'd expect of the Kaiser's sequel.

it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap

andaroo said:
it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap
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It is an official announcement, and it does exist (there was a press conference on it at Mobile World Conference yesterday). It's even on the Sony Ericsson website - http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/x1?lc=en&cc=GB
There's also a minisite complete with video here - http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en - so yes, it's pretty official!
Won't be on the market until the second half of the year, though, by which time I'm sure it will have competition.

1. does this phone have drivers?
2. which processor?
3. ram?

what we should be asking is,
does this phone have 3d hardware support because drivers arent any good without the hardware!!!

And here is the Press Release but there's no mention of any kind of processor, i think we'll have to wait for further infos since it's only the GSMA's Mobile World Congress, Sony tried to impress masses and make publicity, technical stuff will be for later.

According to this hands-on article here - http://www.theunwired.net/?item=mwc...-ericsson-xperia-x1-windows-mobile-smartphone - the processor is a Qualcomm 520mhz, no surprise really since this is a HTC phone under the skin.
Here's an interesting quote -
You will noticed in the video, that the device seems to be somewhat slow - sometimes. Sony Ericsson promised that this will be fixed with the release device, especially because the 520 MHz Qualcomm CPU should be powerful enough and Sony Ericsson also told me they will take benefit from the graphics hardware acceleration as available for Qualcomm chips.
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Looks like the message has gotten through to at least one company

ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr

andaroo said:
ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr
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i'm in the same boat, but i wouldn't worry too much - if it's anything like the p990, release will be delayed.
it probably won't actually materialize until Q1 2009 at the earliest...
it does look pretty sweet though! definately on my next upgrade list!

wvga 858x484!!!
NICE!!!

This phone will probably be out in Asia before it hits the rest of the world.. any one wishing to grab one, I can pick up a few whenever it comes out and bring it over to the states.. for a small fee.

man that phone looks awesome.....jumped on my kaiser purchase?!

HTC Tytn II or HTC Touch Pro, Please help!

I am sorry if this has been asked before, and to be honest I have not searched this forum either
Anyway, my question is this:
What is your opinion to the new HTC Touch Pro, is it worth the upgrade?
I read that it has 288 MB of RAM!
But I did hovever not find any information about if it has the proper drivers installed or not.
So please give me your opinios, should I upgrade or not?
Whats good about it and whats not so good compared to tytn II?
Thanks in advance!

Please comment!
Please everyone, I would very much welcome some comments and opinions on this, not just voting!
I would like to know why you are voting yes or no!
The reason I am asking this is becouse I am considering selling my tytn II to be able to by the Touch pro!
But I really need your opinions so I dont make a huge misstake here!
Thanks!

I would get one if it wasnt for the price!
has a VGA screen... slightly better camera... slightly better Processor... generally, not that much better, but slightly

One major downside of the diamond series is the glossy exterior. Fingersprints all over the thing. My Kaiser doesnt have that at all. So it has more RAM, but do you really use the current Kaisers amount? No way, i always have more then enough free. It's a slight upgrade compared to Kaiser, but is it worth the wait and/or money.

I think i will not stay with HTC anymore.... maybe get a SE X1

From what I have seen it does look like a good phone but TBH we will have to wait and see. I would say yes get it, but wait a little while to see what others think of it

If it has the same driver 'issues' as the TyTn II then i'd say no!

I say go for it.

1) Touch Pro is essentially the HTC Diamond with a slide-out QWERTY keyboard
2) Most of the HTC Diamond applications can be found on this or other forums
1+2 = not really worth the upgrade, if you are happy with the TYTN 2 processor
Don't know about the drivers, & i would hate to be cheated again....

Ok, these are very good arguments so I think I will wait for a while to see if it has the driver or not!
I was hoping that it was official already, and that people knew about the driver!
Anyway, does anyone know if it has tv-out or not? It is somewhat important for me to have that!

branko.savic said:
Ok, these are very good arguments so I think I will wait for a while to see if it has the driver or not!
I was hoping that it was official already, and that people knew about the driver!
Anyway, does anyone know if it has tv-out or not? It is somewhat important for me to have that!
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yes it does
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=5455

There wont be driver issues..it will come with built-in hardware acceleration via an ATi chip like the X1. The tytn II has no hardware acceleration what so ever, plus the missing drivers.
Now as to which to get X1 or Touch Pro is a tough choice.
I am for sure upgrading to the Touch Pro or X1 when they come out in September for the US versions.
Pros:
Lets face it: VGA screen(sharp crisp images/text/video), another 128Mhz faster, another 160mb system ram, true 3d hardware acceleration via Ati chipset, touchscreen 3D, 5 row keyboard, a flush screen, camera flash.
How can you say no to that?

jldiablo said:
I think i will not stay with HTC anymore.... maybe get a SE X1
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Then you're staying with HTC lol.
Anyway, I'd go for the upgrade if I had the money. VGA screen, slick interface, faster processor, more ram, better camera, I could keep going.
bio88 said:
Fingersprints all over the thing. My Kaiser doesnt have that at all.
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I'm one of those people who could careless about something like that. A quick wipe clears that up. You'd probably scream at the sight of my ipod lol.

RDS= TMC for GPS?
Sense it has RDS radio, is it possible that it will recieve TMC signals for navigation?

utvol06 said:
There wont be driver issues..it will come with built-in hardware acceleration via an ATi chip like the X1. The tytn II has no hardware acceleration what so ever, plus the missing drivers.
Now as to which to get X1 or Touch Pro is a tough choice.
I am for sure upgrading to the Touch Pro or X1 when they come out in September for the US versions.
Pros:
Lets face it: VGA screen(sharp crisp images/text/video), another 128Mhz faster, another 160mb system ram, true 3d hardware acceleration via Ati chipset, touchscreen 3D, 5 row keyboard, a flush screen, camera flash.
How can you say no to that?
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Ok, so there will be no more issues with the drivers?
I tought that the information was not out yet, where did you hear or read that?
Also does that mean it will perform better when it comes to watching videos, and taking pics with the camera?
Thanks!

Like somebody said alrdy, the touch pro is just the htc diamond with a slide out keyboard...i personally dont think the diamond is as good at certain tasks like the kaiser is, like possible business/exchange email. On the multimedia standpoint all the kaiser needs is for the drivers to be released for full potential of video playback for the camera video recording and some other applications to be used to full potential but other then that, viewng of avi's(dvds) and youtube seem crystal clear or as good as a 2.8" screen can get. Both will have similar ati graphics cards or qualcomm chipsets, the pro supposedly will have hardware acceleration but will see(some specs are rumos dont belive everthing you read). Also the Kaier is 400mhz i mean that is pretty fast for a phone, try to remember that ad for the pro to have another 100mhz of course it will be faster but how much of a diference will that feel like when ur using the phone. Same Qualcomm processor but probably the MS7500... so im guessing, as for the extra 128megs of ram...i barely use 20-30 megs of a total of 125 on the kaiser, with my 4g micro sd card, i dont put any apps on the phone period so i dont think extra ram in a phone is that great of an eye turner. The main plus i see with the diamond pro is the VGA and tv out tuner, two things the kaiser doesnt have but its a matter of opinion if ur gonna be watching tv on a 2.8" phone...avi's are my limit and thats during spare time at work and same with youtube. I dunno...i say if the drivers for the kaiser come out by the time the pro comes out, an upgrade would have to be seriously convincing because with the video drivers, the kaiser will feel like a brand new phone again. I had no actual issues with the video playback and didnt see what all the hoopla was about with the lawsuit action and thread upon thread about the drivers until i went to a Barrack Obama rally and tried recording a video of his speech and noticed my recording looked like i was in the matrix going slomo dodging bullets like neo basically my video recording playback was like i had a nokia instead of the flagship Tilt, I then realized my old hermes used to record crystal clear on a 2 megapixel camera but now my kaiser felt handicaped in the camera department. Thats my two cents on my Kaiser, so if the pro has these playback issues, an upgrade will be a waste of money because both phones seem similar and HTC better improve on their customer awareness before they keep coming out with high end phones. I see very few advatages in the pro for me to drop another 400 plus broohaha's on it or even have to extend my contract for a milion years to upgrade to it.

How is Touch Pro and HTC Diamond the same phone?
moegdaog said:
Like somebody said alrdy, the touch pro is just the htc diamond with a slide out keyboard...i personally dont think the diamond is as good at certain tasks like the kaiser is, mainly business/exchange email capabilities. On the multimedia standpoint all the kaiser needs is for the drivers to be released for the full potential of video playback for the camera video recording and some other applications to be used to full potential but other then that, viewng of avi's(dvds) and youtube are crystal clear so i dont think the touch pro in a sense, be better at viewing videos better then the kaiser because they both will have similar ati graphics cards or qualcomm chipsets. Also i dont think the pro will be more then 400mhz, same processor as the kaiser but i heard it will be slightly faster so im guessing it will have the MS7500. The main plus i see with the diamond pro is the VGA and tv out tuner, two things the kaiser doesnt have but its a matter of opinion if ur gonna be watching tv on a 2.8" phone...avi's are my limit and thats during spare time at work and same with youtube. I dunno...i say if the drivers for the kaiser come out by the time the pro comes out, an upgrade would have to be seriously convincing because with the video drivers, the kaiser will feel like a brand new phone again. I had no actual issues with the video playback and didnt see what all the hoopla was about with the lawsuit action and thread upon thread about the drivers until i went to a Barrack Obama rally and tried recording a video of his speech and noticed my recording looked like i was in the matrix going slomo dodging bullets like neo basically my video recording playback was like i had a nokia instead of the flagship Tilt, I then realized my old hermes used to record crystal clear on a 2 megapixel camera but now my kaiser felt handicaped in the camera department. Thats my two cents on my Kaiser, so if the pro has these playback issues, an upgrade will be a waste of money because both phones seem similar and HTC better improve on their customer awareness before they keep coming out with high end phones. I see very few advatages in the pro for me to drop another 400 plus broohaha's on it or even have to extend my contract for a milion years to upgrade to it.
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Ok first of all the Touch pro is going to have a 528 MHz processor which I think is a huge difference from the 400 MHz we have now!
Second it has alot more RAM, 288 MB! I think this device will be lightning fast!
I dont see how you can say that HTC Diamond and HTC Touch Pro is almost the same phone? If you check out the specs you will clearly see a difference!
HTC Diamond Specs:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46286
HTC Touch Pro Specs:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524
Also Diamond does NOT have tv-out what I can see! It lacks memory card slot and has built in 4 GB instead!
The only problem I can think of is if it indeed lacks proper drivers!
If this is not the issue anymore, then I will certainly go and buy it!
I would also like to know it it is possible to recieve TMC information now when it is equiped with an RDS Radio?

im not saying its a similar phone i just think that the upgrade in speed and ram isnt going to thrill a whole lot of kaiser people in shelling out the dough and extending contracts when the kaiser is a very efficient and solid phone bro....just that the second those drivers get droped it will be like ownning a brand new phone, that diamond is going to hit the back burner and be purchased by people who just wanna have the latest and greatest. The kaiser has alrdy been upgraded too by hermes, wizard, mda, treo and other older htc phone people because of its flagship credentials and solid specifications (built in GPS being one of them) for all us kaiser people to upgrade now to the next latest and greatest will take alot, just my opinion. And if this pro's video playback issues are the same why would anybody upgrade. I really think the only people upgrading to it if the kaisers drivers come out are people just wanting to say they have the newest htc phone. Also Branko for the pro to not have a memory card slot and only be able to store 4 gigs is deffinetly a turn off....i have a 4 gig in my kaser right now and i usually have a minimum of 3 to 4 900 meg avi movies in my tilt at a time with another 4-5 album mp3's and not including my word and pdf documents for school, so i like the fact that i can swap out my 4gig and put my other 2 gig micro sd card in when i need to. I mean the Kaiser is expandable to 32gigs...doesnt that option make the kaiser the flagship phone that it is? i dunno but the pro doesnt tickle my pimple but i guess it does yours!

moegdaog said:
im not saying its a similar phone i just think that the upgrade in speed and ram isnt going to thrill a whole lot of kaiser people in shelling out the dough and extending contracts when the kaiser is a very efficient and solid phone bro....just that the second those drivers get droped it will be like ownning a brand new phone, that diamond is going to hit the back burner and be purchased by people who just wanna have the latest and greatest. The kaiser has alrdy been upgraded too by hermes, wizard, mda, treo and other older htc phone people because of its flagship credentials and solid specifications (built in GPS being one of them) for all us kaiser people to upgrade now to the next latest and greatest will take alot, just my opinion. And if this pro's video playback issues are the same why would anybody upgrade. I really think the only people upgrading to it if the kaisers drivers come out are people just wanting to say they have the newest htc phone. Also Branko for the pro to not have a memory card slot and only be able to store 4 gigs is deffinetly a turn off....i have a 4 gig in my kaser right now and i usually have a minimum of 3 to 4 900 meg avi movies in my tilt at a time with another 4-5 album mp3's and not including my word and pdf documents for school, so i like the fact that i can swap out my 4gig and put my other 2 gig micro sd card in when i need to. I mean the Kaiser is expandable to 32gigs...doesnt that option make the kaiser the flagship phone that it is? i dunno but the pro doesnt tickle my pimple but i guess it does yours!
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I do get your point, but the fact is that the HTC Touch Pro does have an sd card slot just like the Tytn II! It´s the Diamond that has the 4 GB Built in and no sd card slot!
So you can say that HTC Touch pro is everything that Tytn II is now and much more
However I do agree with you that if it does not have the drivers in place it wont really matter!

Can someone please verify?
Can someone please verify that the HTC Touch Pro wont have the same driver issue that Tytn II has?
Please this is of great importance for me to decide if I will buy it or not!
Thanks!

Kaiser/Tilt worthy upgrade?

Any Tilt or Kaiser owners plan to upgrade to the Touch Pro 2? Does it seem like it would be a significant upgrade? I'm curious to what you fellow Tilt/Kaiser owners think...

I have the Tilt and have not upgraded to the Fuze. I was waiting for the next big thing that ATT was potentially was going to bring over and it seem like this is it. I love the device's design in every aspect; looks amazing physicaly. What i don't like is that they stuck it with a 3mp camera (and removed flash!). I absolutely love the 3.6" screen. Basically, i'm pretty sure i'll be upgrading (i saved my contract upgrade and rejected the Fuze for this reason).

Yeah, I'm going to buy Touch Pro2, the reasons why, larger screen, better hardware, 5-row keyboard, looks very very cool, more finger-friendly.

iphone. if lack of a hw keyboard is not a deal breaker. After owning 2 winmo phones (currently using a tilt) and modding many other peoples iphones, i can honestly say that the iphone is superior in usability/apps/stability. after drooling for a touch diamond and then hearing my friend say its laggy after he bought it, was a real disappointment. Microsoft is really behind the curve in the mobile sector. Thinking about selling my tilt for iphone now. Might wait till winmo 7 to come out before purchasing another winmo phone. For the record i'm a pc guy and i think apple products/fans our generally pretentious and kinda douche-ie (not all though).

Not sure about the Touch Pro2. I rarely .. if ever use my keyboard. I am waiting on the HTC Topaz for ATT..... drool.

I'm probably gonna go for the TP2. 800x480 screen!
They only issue i see with the device is that they've removed the d-pad.

HTC looks like they've put every good feature into this device, from FM Radio to TV Out. It looks perfect, and although a faster processor or a DPAD wouldn't hurt. And a 6.5 upgrade sounds good as well. I am certainly getting this phone.
Dave

good thing i passed on the fuze too...The Touch pro 2 will definitely be up there on my next phone list...And this will probably be the real successor to the tytn ii...I think it also matches the specs we had a few months back on the then phantom "TILT 2" that never showed up...until now...

TP 2.... is it worth sniffing at?
Does anyone know if it'll have proper 3D and 2 D DirectX and Direct Draw drivers included? I'm not wanting a HTC customised menu so much as full native support of the built in hardware within the operating system and parts thereof such as Pocket Mediaplayer itself. I'd like to use video playback without having to slash the frame rates and/or resolution as I have to with my Kaiser (even under TCPMP).
I'm concerned to read that although it has GPS support, it doesn't appear to list what software is provided to use this in the UK/Europe. Does this mean that it could be the TP all over again with HTC refusing to acknowledge any GPS problems that may crop up? Without a tried and tested native GPS app bundled with the device, it won't be one for me.

I'm very tempted - but I think I'll have to wait until I actually can put my hands on one in a shop to decide. I fear I will find it too large and/or thick for my liking. The Tilt is thick, but small. The iphone is large to the point I feel mixed with regard to the size in the pocket/screen comfort balance, but at least is thin. The TP2 will be large AND thick. And it loses the DPAD indeed, and I use that a lot

only a few people think it would be a worthy upgrade?

What's that saying, once bitten....
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct. HTC need to learn from its mistakes and provide a product that actually meets peoples needs fully and reliably if they want those who've already been stung by them to part with cash on a new HTC product. Many people here have already said they'll never buy another HTC product due to all the problems they've had so you get an idea of the extent of feeling about such things!

I'm planning to get the TP2
- Higher resolution big and wide screen
- Larger battery
- Faster processor
- More internal memory
- 5 row keyboard
- TV out
- USB OTG
- New TOUCH FLO 3D with larger soft menu screens
- WM 6.5 (when HTC will make it available)
I'll miss:
- D-pad
- Jog wheel
- Buttons!

Flying Kiwi said:
If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct.
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Or, there are people like me who are really happy with the Kaiser, and for whom it would take something really good to warrant a change. As said, I'll see the TP2 when it's there, but until then I don't plan to change at all.

If the cookers start cooking good roms and it can be unlocked ok then yes it looks lovely

Tilt still considered a worthy phone?

I've had a tilt for a couple of years now and it still works pretty good but it seems all the interest is being placed on newer phones. I don't want a new phone cause ATT doesn't have anything out now that I want to get a contract for. Would a good deal on a fuze be a worthy upgrade or should I just keep the tilt till a new phone comes along that moves me?

The Fuse is a downgrade from the Tilt IMHO. Smaller keyboard, smaller screen, not as healthy a developer community I think. If you are going to upgrade, go with the Tilt 2...I mean comeon, its just damn sexy. But, no I do not think the fuze is a very worth successor.

The problem with the Tilt is not the hardware, but the OS. With the introduction of Windows Phone 7, a lot of developers have abandoned Windows Mobile.
The good news is that the Tilt has one of the most sucessful Android ports. You can replace Windows Mobile with a Android Donut build and have a fully functional Android phone. It's not perfect, it is slow and has poor battery life. Though, considering that in the past 6 months the Tilt has a 100% working Android OS, it won't be long before the OS is fast and stable. Not to mention that hopefully we'll also see a FroYo build. Eclair doesn't have working BT or Camera, but I'm sure with time that'll work too.
Another thing to consider is that most new phones aren't much of an upgrade, unless it has a snapdragon in it. Otherwise, most have the same CPU with a 128 Mhz speed boost, and 64-128MB more ram. They do have better LCD screens and have accelerometers. Plus the Tilt does have a weak camera compared to the newer 5.0 Megapixel LED flash cameras.
Personally, I'd hold out until Snapdragon based Android phones with hardware keyboards make a common appearance. Otherwise, save your money, wait for Android to get better on Tilt.
BTW, AT&T has a lot of refurbished Tilt 2 phones that they're practically giving away for free. Getting one of those isn't bad, even though their Android development isn't anywhere near as far as the Tilts.

ashasaur said:
The Fuse is a downgrade from the Tilt IMHO. Smaller keyboard, smaller screen, not as healthy a developer community I think. If you are going to upgrade, go with the Tilt 2...I mean comeon, its just damn sexy. But, no I do not think the fuze is a very worth successor.
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Smaller screen not really and vga, keyboard isn't smaller as has numeral 5 line, the community is larger than Kaiser regards turnover, the device has TF3D inc Sense 2.5, the one thing Kaiser does have better than TP build quality, noticed as soon as got TP i had to worry more.
Anyway my advice would be don't go midway buy the best phone you can, in my mind thst would be TP2 or HD2 "if stuck with win-mo" or Nexus1.
Wouldn't hang about for a Win7 device but then i don't fall for hype when so much going to be locked down regards dev.

Fuze gets no love
I'm really surprised that you all don't think better of the Fuze. Compared to the Tilt I know it has these added features....
Faster CPU
Higher resolution
More Ram/Rom
TV Out
FM radio
Accelerometer
Also the cooked Fuze roms are using Sense 2.1 while many of the Kaiser rom threads are being labeled as final. I wrote the to get a status check of the Tilt's activity. Seems there are still die hards in here.
I'm not so sold yet on the Android platform. A couple of articles I remember reading said that its apps marketplace is full of "junk" apps. Don't wanna jump on the fad OS just to have it go out faster then WM is. Yeah WM is at the bottom of the list right now but its what I'm most familiar with.
If AT&T would sell me a refurbish Tilt 2 at a good price without renewing my contract I'd be on it. Who knows when the next long term king of the smartphones will come out and who's gonna have it. I don't wanna be tied down to AT&T and not be able to get out of it.

I literally was going to switch to AT&T, but their recent contract changes for smart phones has made me reconsider. I don't wanna pay $300 just to switch to another provider.
Android is far from a fad. Microsoft and Apple wanna make a closed OS to mimic the revenue of game consoles. For every app that's sold, they make money. Android doesn't force you to get your applications from the market. Not to forget that it's based on linux, which means you will always have a way to improve it. That's why G1 owners are able to get OS upgrades.
The Fuze is an upgrade, but nothing massive. I'm surprised how many smart phones have the Qualcomm MSM7201A ARM 11 at 528 MHz. It's literally on every device, but it's only 128 Mhz faster then the Tilt, and many tilt owners have been able to overclock to 500 Mhz on Android, without any issues.
Like I said, Snapdragon + Hardware keyboard. Don't settle for anything less.

The Raphael does get love
Just that if i had a contract then a TP2 would be easily in grasp so wouldn't buy a secondhand tp, main reason real estate as WVGA get fed up of tiny screen even in VGA since use phone alot....

Iphone?

i would suggest the rhodium or the hd2
even maybe the touch hd

ChumleyEX said:
Iphone?
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Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?

Dukenukemx said:
Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?
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i know and they can't multi-task

Dukenukemx said:
Are you crazy? That thing has only one flipping button.
Haven't we learned anything from the 2 button mouse issues with Apple computers in the past?
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It has 2 buttons, and many many virtual buttons.
i know and they can't multi-task
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If you jailbreak you can and if you wait for 4.0 you will be able to natively.