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Hello,
I am having another annoyance with my Tilt. The camera is damn slow. First the on-screen rate is stop-motion like, then the auto focus button takes 2-3 seconds to focus, and finally the photo takes a few seconds more to capture. B that time, the photo opportunity is gone, or I just have a blurry picture.
The 8525 was much faster...
Any ideas? Thanks!
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
Well if the picture is blurry, but has great focus....what's the point? lol
Honestly, after spending a few hours tinkering with this phone, the 8125 --> 8525 was a much larger, more needed upgrade. The 8525 did have some caveats, which I was hoping they would fix, but they seemed to just get worse. For example, screen rotation is simply slower on WM6 than it was on WM5. I want a PDA that has Windows capabilities, but without the hiccups that Mobile exhibits. I was hoping the 8925 would be the solution, but I guess I will have to wait another year for a true converged device. Such a shame that a very well made device has to be crippled by a poor operating system. Not saying it's horrific, but definitely could be a lot better.
i've notice the blurry thing...but once you get use to holding it steady the pics come out amazing.
One thing I have found that helps is to use the Camera button to take pictures - You can press the Camera button half way down and let it focus, then press it the rest of the way down to actually take the picture when you want to snap. Doesn't help the whole 'catch it right then' situation, but it does help some...
Thats one of the bugbears with this new phone is the time it takes to snap a pic I know its more a phone than a digital camera but why put a 3mpix camera in there if its not meant to at least equal old digital cameras (casio, olympus, fuji etc etc). I like the extra features of it but not at the expense of it taking 5-6 seconds for people or things to stand perfectly still in order to get that pic
Russ
I have found that the greater the amount of light the quicker it takes pictures.
maryjos said:
I'm sure it's the new autofocus function that is responsible for the speed. It's not something you find in many cell phone cameras, and gives much better photos for many situations. But yes, the slow speed is a shame.
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My 2 megapixel SE K750i from YEARS ago (I had it two years ago as an import phone) had no issues with it's autofocus lens. It also took much better photos.
The camera app is pitifully slow. I've tried shooting a lower res or lower quality and that doesn't change the on-screen display, and yeah the autofocus is crazy slow. I guess we should look to HTC for advice, as it's their camera app.
Yah it's a bummer that it's not that fast, but the phone really is a powerhouse of applications. If this thing was running WM2003 on this processor it would be blindingly fast, but with any power loss, the data would be gone. So far speed is the price we pay to have a device that you can pull the battery out of and not lose any data... When I use my HP hx4700 VGA PPC running 2003, it still blows me away how fast they used to be before this new "persistant storage" feature. I don't know if this would help the camera specifically, but I wonder.
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
JBHorne said:
Well, it's damn annoying. I would rather the speed and flashlight than an autofocus lens or 3MP.
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Agree completely, I had high hopes, the 3MP autofocus sure looked good on paper, but now I just miss the flashlight
i heard that it's because of the software, i think paul from modacco said that cameraware is much better (and i THINK he said that it was faster to take pictures).
Can anyone test this out?
...nice tip
As mentioned in another post. If you turn off the "shutter sound" it seems to respond faster. I've tested and it seems to work form me.
I have also noticed that when I push the OFF button and then turn it back on the camera is much much better.
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I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
I have a Nokia 6300 2MP camera phone and it's pics are sharper and better with no blurriness whatsoever.
Even the old Wizard I have is better
This isn't an issue of me having an unsteady hand either, I've been an amateur photographer for many years and have no probs using my old ancient SLRs or new DSLRs, even when snapping with a camera in each hand.
Aeroadster said:
I've tried all of the previously suggested options and the pics are still blurry.
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The lens protector on the battery cover may be scratched or worn (mine is). I get much clearer photos when I take the battery cover off. Other posts describe using certain polishes to restore a clear lens protector.
That's what I get for keeping the phone in my pocket.
I remember reading a post about the fps when taking video. I use the fix when taking regular pictures too, because it appears to speed up the viewfinder as well.
fix:
1. Cover the top half of the phone (where the lens is) with your hand, to decrease the light available.
2. Press the power button to put your device into sleep mode, or whatever it is that they call it.
3. Without moving your hand, press the power button again to wake up the device. This appears to cause the camera software to reinitialize with decreased light settings.
Yeah, it sucks, and yeah, I miss my Tytn camera and led light. Hope this helps!
Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
This is more useful for taking videos under low light condition..(not no light condition)
to make the video brighter, after the trick. set EV to 2.0, contrast to 1. white balance to night mode.
the slow camera can clearly fixed by a software patch...
tried all variations of this theme
covered while rutning off and then on
full light when turning off, covered when turning on and vice versa
no dice here.
ahh now I get it, you don't power off the device you just puy in in sleep
works great though, I'm up from 2 fps to maybe 10
I can see why this doesn't usually happen though
now the delay is even worse than before, the seeker image is trailing way too much
my guess is HTC just settled for the lesser of two evils (ie 2 fps kind of, but nowhere near fully, synced or 10-15 fps not synced at all)
WOWWWW THATS THE WAY TO DO!
great trick!
Great trick, works fine on my stock rom Orange Tytn 2
FPS in bad light has gone from 2-3fps to what looks like over 30fps
Wow, that's pretty amazing...image is darker, but the FPS is pretty much full-motion!
WOW, how is that even possible? great find
I cant believe this!! it worked!!!! Thanks dude!!
oh hell yeah! this worked! great find my friend! great find! and actually you don't need to cover the lens, just open the camera app in a dim lit environment and put into sleep mode, then press the power button again and wah la! BIG thanks to blu3 for this major discovery!
what.. how.. why dose that work lol but it works fantastic
Whoever figured this one out deserves a medal. BIG difference in FPS on
my stock tilt.
when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????
nice! that low fps delay thing was one of the biggest peeves I had with my Tilt.
Thx!
Thanks a lot! it's works
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when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????
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both, it seems with this method, it works as it should originally!
Amazing difference.
Maybe the cooks can work out a routine to do this automatically each time the camera is started.
Cheers for the heads up.
jweather said:
WOW, how is that even possible? great find
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Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.
blu3 said:
Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
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Good Job, Nice find.
Simply amazing.
Sounds great! Haven't had time to try this myself yet... any input on whether it affects the quality on actual images taken? No reason why it should but one never knows
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Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.
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We'll not exactly. Nightmode is a software related thing where the fps is forced to slow down to allow more light onto the CMOS sensor(not CCD in this case ). Here the software is being fooled no the hardware, if you point the cam to a bright scene yo'd see it begins working as normal, this is because night mode disables. This is for sure a software problem and not dependant on the raphic drivers. SE phones and others offer a Nightmode which is manually activated, but HTC for some reason has made it auto activated.
Hey, I just got a short question:
I was playing around with the Front and BackCamera...
The backcamera needs a bright room to make suitable pictures, if it gets to dark it starts to 'lag' like hell. Hope you know what i mean ?!!
The frontcamera doesnt have such problems !! I can take pictures everywhere and the videopreview on the screen is perfectly smooth !
Who can explain me why this happens ? Is it a Softwareproblem or is it on the hardwareside? Maybe the software tries to brighten the previewimage and uses the hole cpupower??!?!
Hope anybody knows why
The back camera is a problem due to the aperture and the ammount of light that hits the lens, if you turn camera on then press power button "sleep" for 5 secs turn on it generally works, you may still need to keep the light from hitting the lens on the power button press depends on condition of light.
Thanks
Hello Stylez !
Thanks for the information and the trick with the camera.
Is this cameraproblem a problem by the HTC Camera application or is it a problem on the radiorom?
Guess it must be a radiorom problem because it would be easy to write a new camerasoftware
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Hello Stylez !
Thanks for the information and the trick with the camera.
Is this cameraproblem a problem by the HTC Camera application or is it a problem on the radiorom?
Guess it must be a radiorom problem because it would be easy to write a new camerasoftware
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It's hard to say but could be hardware/driver related but never used a stock rom to comparatiize.
Like you said if software would have been eazy to correct.
stylez said:
It's hard to say but could be hardware/driver related but never used a stock rom to comparatiize.
Like you said if software would have been eazy to correct.
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Your power button trick works the same with my stock ROM although after coming back from powersaving mode the screen is noticably darker (as are any photos taken in this state). From this I take it that the whole photo or video taking process (ie the end output) requires a combination of x light intensity over y time for each frame so if one is low, the other needs to be high to compensate. It's just the same with conventional camera shutter speeds.
It won't help eratical to resolve this issue but it's simply down to design. The reason why viewing the front camera vs the back camera results in a snappier display is because the front camera is a much lower resolution raw output and it taxes the cpu/connected hardware less.
I had my X1 for about 4 months now....basically with a stock rom R1A (i'll update when R3A is out), stock panel manager and stock camera software.
Yesterday i was playing around with the camera and i ust found out that the auto focus doesn't always work all the time. Is this normal?
I assume the normal procedure is, I semi press the camera button, then the auto focus starts to work. The little white square shows up and the green circle also flashes rapidly on the top left corner. The picture will then start to focus and if it succeed it will show 3 green square. This is on auto focus anyway. When on touch focus it only shows one square.
The problem is now, sometimes the camera will refuse to auto focus. I semi press the camera button, the little green circle flashes but not as rapid as it is when it is focusing. The little white square is gone, and no matter how long i press it the picture just wont focussing.
Worth to note that this doesn't happen all the time....but it does annoys you when you are trying to take a picture and this happen.
Is this a hardware bug? software? something to do with light? or i just simply did something wrong? i haven't got a clue....
i would appreciate if anybody can help me....
P.S: does upgrading rom and using the new R3A camera software solve this problem?
me too.
press the button and sometimes it will focus on it's own and then at other times - day / night / moving / whatever - it doesn't.
i'm on stock R1A although added the MUCH IMPROVED R3A camera software... same old focus story though.
DrS
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me too.
press the button and sometimes it will focus on it's own and then at other times - day / night / moving / whatever - it doesn't.
i'm on stock R1A although added the MUCH IMPROVED R3A camera software... same old focus story though.
DrS
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hmm....if i have to take a wild guess it could have something to do with the shutter...
but i dont know...can anyone else shed some light on this? any help would be appreciated
does it occur only when it is dark?
no,it could happen any time. not just at dark or any specific time...
drspain also point that out too...
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no,it could happen any time. not just at dark or any specific time...
drspain also point that out too...
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I've completed my scientific testing and the results are as follows:
1. Auto-focus is random -at best- in performance. Again, doesn't matter whether it is day, light, night, dull, landscape, macro etc... it sometimes takes a shot, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes, you press the button and walk away. 2 steps later 'CATCHHODDSSS' it takes a snap of your shoe or something sideways.
2. Best performance is with infiniti focus on using R3A software.
3. Definite difference between colour and saturation using landscape mode and auto mode or sports. Landscape seems to try and 'warm' images. TBH, auto is fine, even for most things.
4. The camera in the P1i is superior. I wonder why Sony didn't stipulate using the same tech... they are both 3.2 monkey pastels.
Cheers,
DrS
well, i've done my research too and i'd like to say that i've been unable to recreate the situation. It's focusing all the time now...no problem at all
weird...
and i havent done any upgrade and such.
Best thing we could say about this, is that this things occurs randomly
Well i can say one thing ....after switching to infinite ...its become better..doesnt take time to focus ..i.e capturing the moment we want or else it used to keep focusing and then the moment u want to capture is gone already...well i feel in infinite the focusing is also fair enough i think same as with focus...
Hi
Got my Hd 7 from o2 pay as you go
Am quiet happy with it, but has anyone noticed that the camera is a bit rubbish or is it jjust me
Camera snaps close up are super brilliant. but the moment you try to snap far away subjects its all blurish
Its seems to have a digital zoom which just blows up to picture to distortion
I have noticed that even the zoom function just blurs it up as well
feed back would be appreciated
It's indeed not the best WP7 camera but it's not too rubish also. It should be no more than decent (while to video recording with continued focus is ace) . Can you provide a sample so we can judge ?
There was also a pink-camera isue with an earlier HTC device (can't remember the exact model) and problem was solved with a quick update.
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It's indeed not the best WP7 camera but it's not too rubish also. It should be no more than decent (while to video recording with continued focus is ace) . Can you provide a sample so we can judge ?
There was also a pink-camera isue with an earlier HTC device (can't remember the exact model) and problem was solved with a quick update.
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camera on hd7 does suck... tend to bluish every single shot unless u play with scene mode .... thats one of the reason im trying something else .. maybe focus
Hmm.. do you think that it will be possible that they release an update for this?
Not too keen on getting it if the camera is useless.
I have the awesome pink hue issue with mine... and for the other guy... the other phone with the pink problem was the HD2.
anyone know if this is just the software or is the hardware?
ive noticed too that on long distance shots its horrible on keeping focus of the picture. Though i think that maybe because metering is set to center and it cant focus in that much in the distance.
Though your every day snaps are usually ok for me. No problems with tints or anything and i find the video quality to be decent
I haven't had any problems at all with taking photos on my HD7 - no focussing issues, near or far.
Are you guys half-pressing the camera button to focus first, before pressing it the rest of the way to take the photo?
This seems to be the biggest cause of issues, people not realizing it's a two-stage shoot process, just like with digital cameras.
Note to the OP: Metering is actually light metering and has nothing to do with focussing. If you have metering set to centre, the camera will adjust the exposure according to the brightness of the object in the centre of the shot. If metering were set to "average" it would work out the brightness of the whole frame and set the exposure to that. Nowt to do with focus.
Incidentally, don't forget to ensure the lens is free of dust, fingerprints and other crud as that will obviously make your pics look mushy.
nope i always press on the first stage and let it focus and then press