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Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
This is more useful for taking videos under low light condition..(not no light condition)
to make the video brighter, after the trick. set EV to 2.0, contrast to 1. white balance to night mode.
the slow camera can clearly fixed by a software patch...
tried all variations of this theme
covered while rutning off and then on
full light when turning off, covered when turning on and vice versa
no dice here.
ahh now I get it, you don't power off the device you just puy in in sleep
works great though, I'm up from 2 fps to maybe 10
I can see why this doesn't usually happen though
now the delay is even worse than before, the seeker image is trailing way too much
my guess is HTC just settled for the lesser of two evils (ie 2 fps kind of, but nowhere near fully, synced or 10-15 fps not synced at all)
WOWWWW THATS THE WAY TO DO!
great trick!
Great trick, works fine on my stock rom Orange Tytn 2
FPS in bad light has gone from 2-3fps to what looks like over 30fps
Wow, that's pretty amazing...image is darker, but the FPS is pretty much full-motion!
WOW, how is that even possible? great find
I cant believe this!! it worked!!!! Thanks dude!!
oh hell yeah! this worked! great find my friend! great find! and actually you don't need to cover the lens, just open the camera app in a dim lit environment and put into sleep mode, then press the power button again and wah la! BIG thanks to blu3 for this major discovery!
what.. how.. why dose that work lol but it works fantastic
Whoever figured this one out deserves a medal. BIG difference in FPS on
my stock tilt.
when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????
nice! that low fps delay thing was one of the biggest peeves I had with my Tilt.
Thx!
Thanks a lot! it's works
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when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????
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both, it seems with this method, it works as it should originally!
Amazing difference.
Maybe the cooks can work out a routine to do this automatically each time the camera is started.
Cheers for the heads up.
jweather said:
WOW, how is that even possible? great find
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Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.
blu3 said:
Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
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Good Job, Nice find.
Simply amazing.
Sounds great! Haven't had time to try this myself yet... any input on whether it affects the quality on actual images taken? No reason why it should but one never knows
smads said:
Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.
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We'll not exactly. Nightmode is a software related thing where the fps is forced to slow down to allow more light onto the CMOS sensor(not CCD in this case ). Here the software is being fooled no the hardware, if you point the cam to a bright scene yo'd see it begins working as normal, this is because night mode disables. This is for sure a software problem and not dependant on the raphic drivers. SE phones and others offer a Nightmode which is manually activated, but HTC for some reason has made it auto activated.
Hi,
I seem to have found a way to stop the ridiculous lag on the camera, although I'm not sure this will work for everyone.
I have a non-standard version of the Camera software installed (I think it's the Touch version from somewhere on here - not sure who, I'm pretty new here so please forgive me), but I've noticed that if I start the camera up, then put the device into standby for a few seconds, then turn it back on again, the camera is *far* more responsive, and this is for both still images and for video.
I have no idea why this is - someone more technically intimate with the Kaiser can probably shed some light on it, but it seems to work for me.
The only downside I can see is that it makes the low-light compensation stop working, but in situations with plenty of light there's no difference whatsoever in image/video brightness.
Andy.
Ya, weird how this works. This work around was discussed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365345
camera is ugly?
my camera quality is so ugly i have one of the newsest camera software installed. i dont mean the lag or anything i just mean the camera quality is so blurry and unclear i have sharpness on high and styll :S
when i press a camera button to take a picture and it auto focuses before the green thing comes for juss like half a second everything is clear buh then becomes super blurry. any suggestions or is jus broken
Dear fellas,
Although this topic has been briefly discussed in various locations, it hasn't gotten "big" enough.
I know a number of ya guys are having this problem. The touch-sensitive action button used to focus does not focus the camera (and yes, I have set it to "touch & press").
Mine works intermittently, in fact, doesn't work most of the time. I know it's 100% not a hardware problem, as the button lights up and brightens up my screen according to normal behavior. Now I'm wondering, for those guys who don't have this problem, do U have a different version of the camera app?
K.. mine's the stock HK 1.93.831 ROM and my cam app is version 6.00 (build 31516).
I'm not sure what causes this problem. Although I'm not a camera freak, but this prob makes my baby "imperfect".
Pls post yr ROM and camera version (I wonder if there's a difference) and state if youre experiencing this problem. Thanks!
Hi MasK,
I'm having the same problem as you, the "touch & press" feature didn't work most of the time.
I'm using HTC SG ROM 1.37.871.3, camera version 6.0 (Build 31364).
I used to think the camera didn't focus properly until I took some time to play with it. It's pretty slow, but mine seems to work. When I touch the button, it will take anywhere from 1-5 seconds to focus, and then the cross-hair turns green and beeps to indicate focus lock. At first I didn't realize I needed to wait for the beep, so my shots were out of focus. Seems to work fine now that I know that.
I'm currently on stock 1.37.401.3 with camera 6.0 Build 31364 ... same as previous post, just a different ROM region, which I doubt makes a difference.
i have a similar problem where i run the camera app, then the 1st time i place my thumb over the button nothing happens, but if i take my thumb away and try again it will work fine.
It will continue working fine untill i restart the camera app, just never registers the 1st attempt.
This does show that there is some serious prob with this functionality. For me, it's the first time that has a higher chance of working.. not subsequently.
How abt the rest? We needa find out what's causing this!
upz...
Anymore ppl having this prob?
Same here. Most of the time, including 1st time also fails.
+1, most of the time I have to click on the button to do the focus + photo. When I just touch, the camera tries to focus but the square doesn't become green. Sometimes there's no white square at all.
Hi,
mine recognizes the first touch so it focuses correctly but after i take the picture, it doesn't focus anymore when i touch it. actually i just found out about this focus thing and tested. until now i always just pressed the button when trying to make pictures and it always makes a focus and then capture the image. is this OK or it makes them better if i first let him focus and then press the button all the way?
p.s. i do have "touch and press" selected.
p.s.2: is there any way i can change exposure time or something like that so my pictures won't get blurry when my hand shakes or something? many of my pictures are fuzzy because i don't really have a steady hand :-s
Best regards,
Florin
GeckoDev said:
I used to think the camera didn't focus properly until I took some time to play with it. It's pretty slow, but mine seems to work. When I touch the button, it will take anywhere from 1-5 seconds to focus, and then the cross-hair turns green and beeps to indicate focus lock. At first I didn't realize I needed to wait for the beep, so my shots were out of focus. Seems to work fine now that I know that.
I'm currently on stock 1.37.401.3 with camera 6.0 Build 31364 ... same as previous post, just a different ROM region, which I doubt makes a difference.
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Yep that's how it works and I don't seem to be having problems, just tried doind a few shots and it works perfectly.
Everytime I touch the center button the white square appears and the camera does the autofocus until it turns green. Then I change the orientation and do the same again. I just did it 6 times in a row and the autofocus worked perfectly all the times.
I had this problem with all my previous ROMs.. I am now on Bepe's 0.96 which has the latest camera app and the problem is no longer there - I can touch and press to activate the autofocus as many times as I want after shooting as many photos as I want. No problems now.
Huey85 said:
I had this problem with all my previous ROMs.. I am now on Bepe's 0.96 which has the latest camera app and the problem is no longer there - I can touch and press to activate the autofocus as many times as I want after shooting as many photos as I want. No problems now.
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Cool.. so it goes to show it's a pure firmware issue. I'm wondering perhaps it's due to registry tweakings that creates this problem.
Any more feedbacks?
Is there a difference in quality if it makes the focus on touch and picture on press versus focus and picture on press?
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Is there a difference in quality if it makes the focus on touch and picture on press versus focus and picture on press?
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No difference in quality, however with the "touch-then-press" focus you see a focused picture on the display before taking the shot.
Mask,
Can you tell me what is the camera app version in Bepe's 0.96 Rom?
I just changed the camera capture setting to "press" rather then "touch and press".
Now all I have to do is point at what i want. Then just press the button down and it does all the auto focussing itself and then takes the pic.
Couldn't be easier.
Roy_Drage said:
I just changed the camera capture setting to "press" rather then "touch and press".
Now all I have to do is point at what i want. Then just press the button down and it does all the auto focussing itself and then takes the pic.
Couldn't be easier.
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I actually prefer the 'touch and press' option, because I might end up needing to re-adjust my position before taking the shot.. and having the 'touch' to autofocus, before 'press' to shoot allows me to do so.
@MasK: I don't think it's a firmware issue or related to registry tweaks, but more a issue related to the camera app - bepe noted that it was a newer version (thus you won't see the Resolution icon in the Settings anymore - you can still change the resolution via Advanced settings). You could ask bepe more about the camera app and whether he did any tweaking in regards to the camera.
Huey85 said:
I actually prefer the 'touch and press' option, because I might end up needing to re-adjust my position before taking the shot.. and having the 'touch' to autofocus, before 'press' to shoot allows me to do so.
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Yeah I know what your saying, I tend to just point n click, let it auto-focus once clicked and take the pic. As long as I'm pointing at what I want and I'm as far zoomed in as I choose then it's fine. I'll take a load at a time and then just delete the unwanted ones later.
But none the less I think the general point is that everything should work!
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..But none the less I think the general point is that everything should work!
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Quite right. I do not see why HTC overlooked this problem. Seems to me that HTC rushed the release of the Diamond without going through more intense test phases.
Huey85 said:
Quite right. I do not see why HTC overlooked this problem. Seems to me that HTC rushed the release of the Diamond without going through more intense test phases.
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Completely agree, it's plain to see now that the phone was rushed. I know for a fact that if I hadn't found this site and wasn't able to flash the thing with new ROMS and applications etc then I probably wouldn't of bought it.
In effect this site is doing the work that HTC should of done in the 1st place. We shouldn't be finding ways around their problems by simply saying "oh doing it this way doesn't bother me". It would of been nice to have the thing working smoothly from release.
But then again this is half the fun right? Mucking around with new ROMs and apps to set it up how each individiual likes.
I know that I would feel sorry for anyone with a brand new HTC Touch Diamond that is still at factory settings!
The one I am running now pisses on the phone it was 2 weeks ago
Has any one found a compatible 6.1 camera driver? I have been searching and i cannot seem to find one.The Nadavi_HTC_Camera_5_0_4_2915_00 driver i had on 6.0 no longer works.
bucketz said:
Has any one found a compatible 6.1 camera driver? I have been searching and i cannot seem to find one.The Nadavi_HTC_Camera_5_0_4_2915_00 driver i had on 6.0 no longer works.
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What do you need a camera driver for?!
Isn't that driver part of the WM6.1 update?
Ta
Dave
it still seems a little slug-ish, especially when is little lighting. I do a lot of video, so i assumed the 6.1 update would have fixed it, but it still seems the same as before.
bucketz said:
it still seems a little slug-ish, especially when is little lighting. I do a lot of video, so i assumed the 6.1 update would have fixed it, but it still seems the same as before.
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The Kaiser camera is Very Bad in low light. I was embarrased by an N95 owner when filming my son playing at home.
The drivers made some improvment, but not enought IMO.
Dave
Well I heard that its not a driver issue but more of the CMOS that came with it... Correct me if im wrong (and I hope I am) as that's one of the main points why I bought this phone instead of an N95
I think there is a bug in the camera software meaning its pretty useless in low light. Anyway I came across a workaround that works ok for me. Switch cam on in in low light. Frames per second (FPS) will be pretty low at about 2 to 3 and everything will be blurry. Right hold hand in front of lense (with cam still on) so that everything is black. Switch off phone using power button (brief tap - don't power down completely). Wait a second and with hand still in front of the lense so it is completely covered press power button on again, wait a second or two then remove your hand and hey presto FPS will be about 18.
Try it out
Cheers
Barney
Barneyabz said:
I think there is a bug in the camera software meaning its pretty useless in low light. Anyway I came across a workaround that works ok for me. Switch cam on in in low light. Frames per second (FPS) will be pretty low at about 2 to 3 and everything will be blurry. Right hold hand in front of lense (with cam still on) so that everything is black. Switch off phone using power button (brief tap - don't power down completely). Wait a second and with hand still in front of the lense so it is completely covered press power button on again, wait a second or two then remove your hand and hey presto FPS will be about 18.
Try it out
Cheers
Barney
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lmao, what a fix!! that actually works. thx barney
Lol, I came across the fix in another post some time ago (can't take credit for it) - you would think that there would be a software fix for this! Guess HTC aren't interested - anyway enjoy
cheers
Barney
Barneyabz said:
I think there is a bug in the camera software meaning its pretty useless in low light. Anyway I came across a workaround that works ok for me. Switch cam on in in low light. Frames per second (FPS) will be pretty low at about 2 to 3 and everything will be blurry. Right hold hand in front of lense (with cam still on) so that everything is black. Switch off phone using power button (brief tap - don't power down completely). Wait a second and with hand still in front of the lense so it is completely covered press power button on again, wait a second or two then remove your hand and hey presto FPS will be about 18.
Try it out
Cheers
Barney
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yeah that's what i do now, but the brightness is much darker. i guess there isn't really any way to fix it, unless some one can create a whole new camera software & driver.
I'm beginning to think its cheap camera hardware, becuz I've read that the diamond has the same problem!
Just to add my opinion, I had the same problem with the phone being slow. I used a few different roms, I've been experimenting a lot over the past month.
In the end, I've reflashed Sleuth's rom. It's absolutely perfect, fast, stable, and best of all (and with reference to this thread).... the camera suffers no lag.
Thoroughly recommended.
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not only kaiser but all HTC and HTC manufactured PPC have this camera issue. i have seen wizard, tytn,tytn2, tilt, touch etc all fail on camera. My old nokia 6600 vga camera takes better pics then wy wizard
There's a software fix, but it doesn't work perfectly with the camera software in the Tilt 6.1 upgrade(no preview). I'm using it with Schap's 4.31 WM6 rom and it does a wonderful job. Try it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/141688095/TyTNII_Photo_Quality.CAB.html
Try turning the flicker adjustment to 60 Hz. That'll (possibly)increase quality as well.
I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?
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Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?
this is coming from a photographer. Blurry objects are caused by moving objects in a low light environment. When trying to capture light in a room with poor lightning the camera shutter will stay open longer to capture enough lights for the exposure. This can be corrected by bumping up the ISO or apenture. Since this cannot be done by the camera on the Fuze you can always turn Flash on to compensate for the low light or resting your elbows on a desk for more steady position
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Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?
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I'm coming from devices like the Sanyo M1 (2MP Auto Focus, the best camera phone ever on Sprint), Mogul (2MP decent pictures) and Treo 800 (2MP, really nice pics). All I'm asking is for the blurry pics to be better. I took 20 pics yesterday and 18 of them were blurry. I've tried every resolution setting. Like I mentioned earlier it seems L 640 X 480 pictures seem to be better than the higher settings.
Buy SonyEricsson and you get a camera that can be actually used for something...
Mine takes pretty good pictures, do you hold the capture button to allow the auto focus to do its work and then take teh picture without having much movement. The movement is what i found causes the blurriness. I guess it autofocuses on a spot and then when you move it start refocusing but the picture takes anyway?
BTW my sports and burst mode arent working properly, camera freezes up and have to soft reset. Is the 3mp tweak for these modes to much for the CPU to process
Yes, I hold and press which autofocus then snaps. I understand it something in the picture is moving but every pic? That's not normal. I've been taking pictures with phones for years and never ran into an issue like this. Plus this is suppose to be a really advanced 3.2MP camera. Might have taken a step backwards with this one.
One thing I do is turn the brightness down as far as the camera will let me, this really isn't a brightness control but a shutter speed control, lowering the brightness raises the shutter speed, which allows for faster camera response.
I think the problem is probably mostly that the sensor used in our module has an imaging area of 3.61mm*2.72mm, 4.52mm diagonal.. take a look at the chart here for imaging sensor sizes: http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm
Notice how the size of our sensor is below the bottom of the chart.. It's often said that a camera with superior MPixel count will lose to a camera with an inferior MPixel count and a superior sensor.. well, our sensor isn't big enough to be able to take really nice 3.2mpix photos.. without ideal conditions. Then there's that whole thing about using a CMOS sensor rather than a CCD sensor..
One thing I think the camera can do better is that it doesn't seem to be operating in progressive-scan mode.. there's noticable tearing all over the place..
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I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?
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You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.
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You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.
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I think that is somewhat incorrect. For TYNT II and older phones, yes that would work, since it has a plastic cover over the camera. But for the touch pro and the diamond, it should make little to no difference. I've tried it, and I don't see much of a difference, since it's just a hole. Not covered with plastic or anything.
I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...
have you done the "white balance" tweak in your settings? it completely gets rid of that yellow look when you take pics indoors. Also theres rumors saying that turning off the shutter sound increases the camera's quality but I cant prove that
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I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...
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I will try that registry hack.
Here's the 'yellow photo' fix if anyone hasn't seen it yet: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=951
I think what most people are looking for with regards to photos is not 100% 9mp quality from our phones. I mean, why can't a fix similar to the Tilt's be made?* All I want is a higher FPS in low light conditions.
*Where you can increase FPS (in low light) by running the camera, turning the phone off, covering the lens, then turning the phone back on...
How to make a sharp pitcure:
EDIT: See new post! This one has been erased to avoid confusion.
I tried those tweaks with no success. Pics aren't as blurry but they are pretty crappy. I'm not saying I want 10MP clearity. I just want this camera to be compariable to the devices I previously owned (Sanyo M1 and Treo 800). Right now it's not. I'm going to exchange this device.
Errrr Sorry I stated the wrong registry key. Actually that one does not matter too much. UPDATED version:
1. Change registry key:
- HKLM\software\htc\camera\captparam\Capkeydelaytime = 10
2. Soft reset to activate the hack.
3. Set the capture key of the camera to hold & press.
To make a photo:
- Aim at subject.
- Hold your finger on the round big enter key and wait until the white "[" "]" go green. This might need a slight "touch".
- Shoot by pressing the round big enter key fully.
The problem you're going to run into is the size of the sensor on cell phones in general. You could have a 10mp cameraphone but if they keep the sensor the same size it is now the pix will continue to be crappy.
I will say that the pictures I've taken with my Fuze have been pretty good, and I have really bad shakes in my hands. The autofocus is a huge step forward imo.