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Hi
I have been playing with this for a day now, and it has introduced more bugs in the wifi functionality. If you want to use WiFi from your IIs then I would avoid this 'update' like the plauge.
What you get:
- ROM: 1.31.00 WWE (13th Dec 04) so this is 2.5 months old
- Radio 1.06.00 (1.06.02 is latest)
- ExtRom: 1.31.139 WWE (no real updates to existing progs)
Whats Better
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- The camera performs better in low light conditions (I used to get vertical lines on the screen
- Bluetooth stack build 3500. A vast improvement, but the latest is now build 3900 which some say solves the 'scratching noise' that is heard in some headsets
Whats Worse/Not Fixed
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- O2 Active V3.5. Its bloody awful - spends its life redrawing the screen, its very sluggish, and adds nothing to the today screen. I never used to use the old version, but having the O2 icon was handy for its ability to list the active connections and terminate them. Much is made of the ability to change the position of the icon (which I never found to be a problem in the first place. Tapping the new icon starts O2 Active rather than listing the active connections. To list active connections, you need to tap and hold for 5 seconds. I find that after tapping and holding, I get the menu, but that the menu then fails to respond to my 'close connection' taps. I reverted back to the old O2 active program.
- WiFi. They have completely buggered it up. It was unreliable at best beforehand. I have a network at home, which I finally pursuaded the device to connect to after multiple resets. I headed into work this morning (2 AP's) switched it on, and it just sat there searching for the network. I went into Tools-->Network cards, and see the work network listed as 'connected' (it was not connected, I had not given it the PSK yet). I soft reset the device, and it finally saw the network and prompted with the usual 'Internet/Work' dialogue. I was then asked for the pass key. At this point I noticed that there is no longer a possibility to activate the soft keyboard in order to enter the pass key (A right pain in the arse when the passkey is just a random multicase/numeric key, and all you get are ** on the dialogue). Anyway, I entered the key, and the device refused to get a valid IP address. Doing IPconfig showed that the wireless card was trying to use an old GPRS IP!!! I tried a renew (3rd party ipconfig tool). I tried stopping and starting wifi. Eventually, I soft reset (still the same), so I stopped wifi, soft reset, started wifi - and *finally* it decided to go and get itsself an IP address. (this is a bug I saw in the old firmware, but its worse than it used to be).
- WiFi still marks the wrong networks as 'available', i.e at work, 10 miles from home, my home network is marked as 'available' and my work network is marked as 'unavailable' !!! (this is an old bug)
- In Network adapters, the dialogue, 'My Work Network Connects To:' is blank, and there is no longer a possibility to select work/internet (options are blank). This is new to v1.31.139 (anyone else also missing this)
- If you select a wifi connection and change it from being a 'work' connection to an 'internet' connection then the change does not stick. This is new to v1.31.139
- In the MMS applet, it is no longer possible to select a 'modem' directly. I used to be able to select 'O2 Active'. You now have to select a profile that includes an appropriate modem. This is new to v1.31.139
- When editing a network profile in 'network management' eg: My ISP. the device still forgets to display existing modem/vpn connections. (same as old version).
Out Of Date Software / missing software
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- Photo Contacts (CallerId cab) is still version 1.17 (latest is 1.20)
- Missing O2 plus - other o2 devices include this
- Missing Intelipad
- Missing Smartdialer
- Old build of Java Midlet software
- Old build of MMS composer software
Other Thoughts
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For my money, the device feels more sluggish than it did before. Though its difficult to prove this!
O2 has spent far too much time on that O2 Active rubbish - does *anyone* actually use this [email protected]?? - and not enough time integrating/testing the latest versions of CE, drivers, and third party apps.
I'll add more to this as I find new bugs, and send it all off to O2 in a couple of weeks.
What I am now using
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I am now using v1.31.139 + Bluetooth build 3900 + PhotoContacts 1.20 + Java build 1004.
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Additions: 1/3/05
- SMS notify no longer seems to work. Anyone else suffer from this? MMS notify works fine and SMS notify is switched on. Perhaps the notify event is missing, but I have no idea how to sort this.
- VPN over wireless lan is still not possible - it tries and fails to connect. VPN over GPRS still works OK.
Additions 02/03/05
- SMS Notify problem is *not* to do with the rom update. I removed the registry key: HKLM\software\microsoft\inbox\svc\outlook since I had no need for the outlook folder in inbox. Removing this also kills off SMS notify!! I backed up, hard reset, preventing the stuff in the extended rom from installing. Installed PHM regedit, exported the outlook key, restored my backup and imported the reg key!!
- Internet/Work settings missing from Wlan setup. After restoring the backup, these had returned. Pretty strange, perhaps they were linked to the same registry key. No additional software bar the contents of the extended rom had been installed. If anyone else gets this, I suggest back, hard reset, restore might fix it.
Regards
Nigel
I have the same version with the latest radio build and cannot got the device to connect to my home Wifi what so ever.
Not exactly much use. It detects the network but refuses to connect. Either it says its connected but does not get an IP or it continously prompts for the network key.
I have also upgraded and am finding that the device often freezes when I try and switch it off, this happens about once or twice a day needing a soft reset.
I dont use the active stuff (which I never use) and am dissapointed that the O2 icon now starts O2 active rather than list the state of connections and allow you to trun them off i.e GPRS.
I agree the device does seem to be slower, I think I will be going back to the original code base and applying the BT patches, anyone know where there is a CAB installer for 3900?
check the ftp server
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/BlueAngel/CAB_Files/Bluetooth Upgrades/
username xda
password xda
its the file that ends in 3900.
I installed 3900 over the recent O2 update (3500) and all went fine. Just do a soft reset before playing with bluetooth or it will moan about an expired stack.
Nigel
SMS Notify
Hi
Anyone else found that the SMS notify stops working once the latest O2 update is installed. MMS notify works, but SMS does not - its damned anoying!
UPDATE: Found the reason for this see end of original post
Nigel
Thanks for the comments on the update. I think I will stay with the original 1.12 ROM! Where can you get the other updates for the Camera and Java and Bluetooth etc? I'm currently running Bluetooth 3500.
Cheers
This is why you should sell you XDA IIs on ebay and buy a XDA IIi :lol:
Well that IS a concept! Thanks made me grin!
Hi since I installed the new Rom, my clock keep on freezing. The phone goes on standby > then it freeze. If I wake up the phone , it will still be frozen.
I have to click on start > Today in order to refresh it. :evil:
Any ideas ? It's still happening with no other today pluggin. :x
Would you recommend we dont bother upgrading the ROM atm then?
I upgraded also - the process was simple and took around 10 mins. This made my Bluetooth much more reliable and over a greater distance. I also find the 2s locks up frequently and requires soft resets.
Does anybody know how to remove the entire o2 software - I dont know anybody that uses it and Im sure it would speed up the whole device.
Remove entire O2 software:
You mean everything in the extended rom or just o2 active?
Hard reset, and when the message pops up about installing blah in 3 seconds (after you have done the touchscreen config) then soft reset. This gets you a plain vanilla HTC Blue Angel before the operator has installed its sh1te on it.
You can then selectively install just the bits you want, download the extended rom from the ftp site here, or unlock yr extended rom, copy out the cabs to main memory/SD etc, and then tap just the ones you want to install them.
If you just want rid of o2 active, then hard reset, and wait until the corporate/personal? message appears and then soft reset. O2 active is the last thing to be installed.
Nigel
mhanbury:
Hunt them down on the FTP site. Compare the version/build numbers with those in the new O2 extended rom.
Nigel
eskimofisherman said:
I upgraded also - the process was simple and took around 10 mins. This made my Bluetooth much more reliable and over a greater distance. I also find the 2s locks up frequently and requires soft resets.
Does anybody know how to remove the entire o2 software - I dont know anybody that uses it and Im sure it would speed up the whole device.
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Hard-reset your xda.
When the Personal/Corporate screen comes up, select corporate and enter 0506 - zero five zero six
This won't install active.
I'm getting a new XDAIIs (my 3rd one) , I will stay away from the new update and just put the bluetooth/ radio and contact manager manually.
That new update is just a piece of [email protected] :evil:
jeux_1 said:
I'm getting a new XDAIIs (my 3rd one) , I will stay away from the new update and just put the bluetooth/ radio and contact manager manually.
That new update is just a piece of [email protected] :evil:
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If you buy a new XDAIIs in the UK now you will get it with :
ROM Version: 1.31.00 WWE
ROM date: 12/13/04
Radio Version: 1.06.00
Protocol Version: 1337.38
ExtROM Version: 1.31.139 WWE
Ive had mine for 2 days now and ive had to soft reset about 6 times! and Hard reset once!
and this is annoying the hell out of me! can anyone tell me what im doing wrong. Why is it that whenever I do a hard reset I have to change the name of my activesync folder? If I try to keep them the same, it says I cant because there is already a device with that name!?!? :twisted: Or am I just being a noob?
irelmo said:
jeux_1 said:
I'm getting a new XDAIIs (my 3rd one) , I will stay away from the new update and just put the bluetooth/ radio and contact manager manually.
That new update is just a piece of [email protected] :evil:
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and this is annoying the hell out of me! can anyone tell me what im doing wrong. Why is it that whenever I do a hard reset I have to change the name of my activesync folder? If I try to keep them the same, it says I cant because there is already a device with that name!?!? :twisted: Or am I just being a noob?
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This is really wierd. My IIs works fine - doesn't lock up, doesn't need hard resets or anything so drastic. I don't have any other apps on the device though, just the standard one's O2 supplies (GPRS Monitor etc).
What other apps are people running? I'm guessing Today screen plugins are causing grief (Pocket+ etc)
yeah I did tried my phone with no today plug in but it is still crap, was working just fine with the previous rom......... what have I done :x
At least it keeps me busy....
The problem is you should have bought a XDA IIi not a XDA IIs.
Mike
Hi, I have unlocked a MDA Vario 3 with the process on this site and put a dutty rom on the handset. My problem is that when i put a 3uk sim card in the handset i can access the internet just not planet 3. Is there any help for this problem please? When i try accessing the home url of planet 3 it states you cannot view this page on this handset please use your three handset?!
Cheers
drunkenmunkey85 said:
Hi, I have unlocked a MDA Vario 3 with the process on this site and put a dutty rom on the handset. My problem is that when i put a 3uk sim card in the handset i can access the internet just not planet 3. Is there any help for this problem please? When i try accessing the home url of planet 3 it states you cannot view this page on this handset please use your three handset?!
Cheers
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Use one of the attached cabs to identify your phone as an N95. Personally I use it for Vodafone Live access, but I'm told it also works for those on "Planet 3".
You can install and uninstall the cab to switch between N95 and TyTN II as required, but a soft reset is needed after installation.
It uses a modified "browser.dll" file, which is different for WM6 and WM6.1 so make sure you install the correct one...!
Iv installed the cab, although i dont understand what you mean with switching between n95 etc. I cant find any program or application that has been installed by doing cab installation that you suggested?! Cheers
It doesn't install any program. It changes the way your phone reports itself to websites. In this case the website will think you are holding a n95 which is one of their "approved! phones so it should just work. Try using IE to go back to the planet 3 page and see what happens with the cab installed.
Yeah, sorry. I wasn't very clear.
If this is installed then the website you are visiting thinks you are holding an N95.
If it is not installed, then the same website will think you are holding a TyTN II.
By installing / removing / installing / removing, etc. You can "switch" between an N95 and a TyTN II
I see what you mean now about switching. Installed and tested and it works really well thanks the difference between 3 HSDPA and T-Mobile HSDPA is amazing dont know what T-Mobile are playing at its so slow!
Glad it's working!
Hi.How did you unlocked your mda vario 3? 'cos ive got the same aswell and i will like to use it for 3 network.Cheers
drunkenmunkey85 said:
I see what you mean now about switching. Installed and tested and it works really well thanks the difference between 3 HSDPA and T-Mobile HSDPA is amazing dont know what T-Mobile are playing at its so slow!
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you do know that t-mobile and 3 now share HSDPA networks so technically there is NO difference
Sub69!!
You are my hero. I have been searching for months to find a 3UK cab that would let me use Windows Live Messenger while I had the 3UK sim card in my Kaiser. The original 3UK settings even blocked the use of Live Messenger while connected to my wifi if I had the 3UK sim card in the Kaiser.
Now you come along and solved all my problems...thank you thank you thank you!
Just a shame that I bought agile mobile a few months ago to workaround the problem, but that's life
Thank you again kind sir.
oops double post
they dont share at the moment, not expected til later on the year. does take a bit of time to set this kind of stuff up! only announced last month!
also works for 3ireland
Glad it's working for everyone. I've certainly found it very handy - Still can't believe that Vodafone and 3 make us use workarounds like this though.
I wouldn't be paying Vodafone £10 per month for MobileTV if I hadn't figured this out, so they'd be worse off. Have to wonder how many new subscribers they'd get if they dropped the restriction entirely...?
tunskie said:
Hi.How did you unlocked your mda vario 3? 'cos ive got the same aswell and i will like to use it for 3 network.Cheers
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Just used this sim unlocker worked fine http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039
That sounds great!
Does it work for HTC-P3600/SPV M700 as well?
Excellent piece of work!!! Many thanks
Thanks very much sub69 for your hard work!
Hello everyone!
Thank-you very much sub69 for sharing your knowledge & expertise on this matter!
I have just taken out a contract with "3", and would like to use my unlocked SPV M700 (HTC Trinity) to access the plethora of services I am entitled to as a 3 contract customer!
I was wondering though (as I'm quite happy with my current setup/config of my SPV M700) whether the WM6 version will work on WM5, or is the .dll file significantly different between WM5 and WM6 (as I did notice WM6 and WM6.1 have different versions)?
Many thanks for your help in advance...
Any need to "switch back"?
Dear all,
I am really interested in this file in order to be able to access Planet 3 / Austria. Before installing I have a tiny question, however.
You say:
stuart_f said:
It doesn't install any program. It changes the way your phone reports itself to websites. In this case the website will think you are holding a n95 which is one of their "approved! phones so it should just work. Try using IE to go back to the planet 3 page and see what happens with the cab installed.
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Now my question is: If Planet 3 successfully can be displayed with a HTC phone (in that way disguised as a Nokia one) - is there any need to switch back to the original HTC-mode?
I mean - does the N95-cab file affect the HTC's other functions in any way?
Because it seems a lot of work to constantly "switch" between HTC and N95, which requires a soft reset as it happens.
I'd be glad if I could just install the N95-disguise on my HTC TyTN II and leave it that way.
Thank you very much in advance!
Regards,
Stephan
help to install planet 3 in spv m700
hi sub 69 + everyone
i just brought new contract with 3 uk but my internet working fine but i want to planet 3 so how to get planet 3 and please send me step by step guide if you know as you advised in first post.
thanks
Hi,
I'm in the UK and renewing contract as I type. It's a business contract for approx. 11 sim card and 4 new handsets.
We go through a telecom company who provide the contract (this one is with O2) and the handsets.
Now, one of the handsets we've asked for is an HTC Tytn II...
BUT I'm not 100% sure if they plan to send an O2 Xda Stellar or an HTC Tytn II, as they are the same phone they may be planning to send either.
My question is this. Should I insist on an HTC Tytn II or would I be better with the Stellar?
I plan to use it as follows:
WIFI access wherever I can get it
3G/GPRS internet access on the phone
Use the phone as a 3G/GPRS modem for my laptop via bluetooth
Use a Jabra BT Headset
Use it as a tomtom satnav
Sync to Outlook 2003
Does a UK supplied Tytn II come with the tomtom taster software?
If not can the downloaded copy (of the taster software) I have got be used on it easily?
Can I easily put the tomtom software on a stellar (I'm concerned about the problems I've read about the internal GPS setting)
If I get the Tytn II will it be hard to get the 3G/GPRS and laptop modem stuff working with 02 setting etc.?
I'm concerned that the Stellar would be locked to O2 so perhaps less future proof (If I leave O2)
In a nutshell, should I be concerned which version I get given that I will be on O2 and want to use it as described?
I hope you can help as I want to send an email asap if I should be insisting on one version.
Regards
Bryan
I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps
dazb2001 said:
I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps
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Thanks for the quick reply.
O2 aren't sending the phone as such, we use an intermediary as we get a better deal from them. They may of course just be getting the phones from O2 anyway and that's why I'm concerned that I may be getting a Stellar when I asked for a Tytn II.
I'm just wondering if I would be better insisiting on a Tytn II or on a Stellar or should I not be bothered?
I understand it's the same device and the hardware is the same so they will both do the same job, just wondered which was best for me given that the O2 will be branded in the software (I assume) and maybe the vanilla Tytn II will be easiest to get working with other stuff. Or will the Stellar work better/easier with their 3G settings etc...
The Tytn II is a charcoal type colour isn't it? and the Stellar silver?
If so, I prefer the aesthetics of the Tytn II but can't just make a decision on colour now, can I
Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff. If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
From my usage of the Stellar, I've noticed a few things based on comments by other TyTnII/XDA users on this site.
1. Camera - Quality is reasonably good if you can keep your hand steady while you take the picture. The preview isn't very good but I think that's more the camera sensor constantly trying to re-adjust the brightness/contrast/colours more than anything else.
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) - I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times. The Stellar that I have doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. It swaps between portrait/landscape extremely quickly with only a slight delay when going from landscape back to portrait.
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4 and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting although it doesn't seem to happen as frequently. There does however always seem to be a slight stutter when the audio hardware is initialised for the first time, whether playing back a MP3 or using a Ring/Message tone. I suspect this is a driver issue and may get sorted in time. It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.
Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff.
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Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
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Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times...
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I will certainly watch out for that...
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage
but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
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I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4
and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
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And those settings use the built in GPS?
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting ... It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
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Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.
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I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan
WebAgents said:
Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
I will certainly watch out for that...
I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
And those settings use the built in GPS?
Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
To answer in turn
Yes, a hard reset would bring back the branding unless you performed another soft reset after the hard reset (if you see what I mean )
Yes, they are the settings for the internal GPS. Initial satellite pickup after using QuickGPS (and using TomTom for the first time) was about 30 seconds.
Glad the rest was useful!
Hi there!
Actually, I have some problems with my Himalaya (MDA II). The phone part only connects to my telephone provider (mobilcom O2), if it wants! Sometimes there are 2 bars connection strange, on the same position just half a minute later no connect.
I've tried an equal smartphone (XDA II) from a friend of mine and everything works fine! I even tried to change the antenna, but no success.
Is there someone, who has an idea?
Greetz
swordfish
Perhaps go into the phone settings and see if the phone network is set to manual or automatic
Hmm... thanks for the tipp, but I've already tried this option.
Then I would suggest going to the System tab under Settings and seeing which radio version you have, and comparing it to the radio version on your friends phone.
Well some of you may know (well remember) me, from the wizard, hermes and exec forums, well i got an iPhone and abandoned WinMo BIG MISTAKE
and now i am back with a Kaiser (MDA Vario branded) with the official o2 rom flashed.
i am currently however having a couple of teething problems...
1) The keyboard sometimes seems like the keys are stuck, however sometimes they work perfectly :s
2) My MMS (o2 uk) doesn't work, even after fiddling with settings etc!
Any help on these two issues would be appreciated
Thank you
kingsizeriz said:
Well some of you may know (well remember) me, from the wizard, hermes and exec forums, well i got an iPhone and abandoned WinMo BIG MISTAKE
and now i am back with a Kaiser (MDA Vario branded) with the official o2 rom flashed.
i am currently however having a couple of teething problems...
1) The keyboard sometimes seems like the keys are stuck, however sometimes they work perfectly
2) My MMS (o2 uk) doesn't work, even after fiddling with settings etc!
Any help on these two issues would be appreciated
Thank you
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Welcome Back
Keyboard Lag Issue & Try running the network setup wizard again, the stock settings should be fine. If that doesn't work, I dunno Maybe take it into an o2 store ?
I don't really want to take it to an o2 store because...
if you switch from an iphone to another phone they change your tariff (changing your contract - they charge)
and they tell you that you have to get a web bolt on because the normal tariff doesnt include it (the iphone tariff does - again it charges)
so my current £45 iphone tariff goes to £55 due to stupid charges etc.
i'll try my best to fix it myself with the aid of these threads
and thank you for the keyboard fix