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O2 XDA Stellar Corporate Software Install?

Hi,
I should be getting my XDA Stellar tomorrow, I currently have a mini S and was just wondering wether there is an option to do a corporate install on the Stellar (removing all the O2 crap) like there was on the mini S.
Any Ideas?

lokas said:
Hi,
I should be getting my XDA Stellar tomorrow, I currently have a mini S and was just wondering wether there is an option to do a corporate install on the Stellar (removing all the O2 crap) like there was on the mini S.
Any Ideas?
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When I started up my Stellar for the first time it just loaded the O2 custom stuff by default - don't think there was a way to stop it. You'll probably need to investigate how you change the ROM.
I'm in the process of trying to understand how this works from reading here but not confident enough I do understand it yet to even think about attempting it.
I loaded TomTom Nav 6 the other day & that seems to work well although it did completely freak at one point meaning all I got on the screen was the Tom Tom splash screen - even after a soft reset.
Managed to unload it & reload it & all has been OK since although yesterday the GPS went mental - couldn't find more than one or two satellites & at one point it was telling me I was somewhere out in the atlantic off the coast of France! (I was in my house near London at the time )
Overall I think its a good device. I just want to figure out how I can get it to default to using the available Wifi connection when I'm in the house rather than heading straight for a GPRS connection when I run Internet Explorer.

Anyone else?
How hard would it be to install a HTC ROM if I can't remove the O2 software?
Are there any benefits to having the O2 ROM as oppoes to the HTC ROM and Vice Versa?

lokas said:
Anyone else?
How hard would it be to install a HTC ROM if I can't remove the O2 software?
Are there any benefits to having the O2 ROM as oppoes to the HTC ROM and Vice Versa?
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I'd guess the O2 rom has some "bloat-ware" in it & it'll also contain all the settings you need for GPRS access, voicemail etc that it will program into the device for you.
I think O2's "Today" screen is a bit of a mess to be honest.
When you first start the thing up there is a 3-5 second delay after initial setup before it then runs the carrier's customisation
I saw something posted that if you pull the battery at this point then it will stop the customisation & you just get the standard HTC config. Not sure of what the potential risks are though.
Apparently you can do this at any point afterwards as well if you do a hard reset (don't know how you do that yet!)
I.

to stop the custom o2 install, when it says about to customer soft reset it by poking the stylus in the reset hole on the base of the phone

I've just left the stock ROM running, but stopped various aspects of the software that comes with it from starting up by removing the links from the startup menu. The device doesn't run slowly at all. I was amazed at how ugly the O2 stuff was!
I didn't bother with a new ROM, I have just installed the best bits of the HTC stuff from this forum (many thanks to many people, incidentally) and it improves the functionality of the device massively with very little work. Why O2 felt the need to replace good software with ugly rubbish I'll never know.
I run TomTom 6, and have never had any trouble with it at all; I always get a good quick lock, and have never found myself in the wrong country!

HTC Tytn II or O2 Xda Stellar?

Hi,
I'm in the UK and renewing contract as I type. It's a business contract for approx. 11 sim card and 4 new handsets.
We go through a telecom company who provide the contract (this one is with O2) and the handsets.
Now, one of the handsets we've asked for is an HTC Tytn II...
BUT I'm not 100% sure if they plan to send an O2 Xda Stellar or an HTC Tytn II, as they are the same phone they may be planning to send either.
My question is this. Should I insist on an HTC Tytn II or would I be better with the Stellar?
I plan to use it as follows:
WIFI access wherever I can get it
3G/GPRS internet access on the phone
Use the phone as a 3G/GPRS modem for my laptop via bluetooth
Use a Jabra BT Headset
Use it as a tomtom satnav
Sync to Outlook 2003
Does a UK supplied Tytn II come with the tomtom taster software?
If not can the downloaded copy (of the taster software) I have got be used on it easily?
Can I easily put the tomtom software on a stellar (I'm concerned about the problems I've read about the internal GPS setting)
If I get the Tytn II will it be hard to get the 3G/GPRS and laptop modem stuff working with 02 setting etc.?
I'm concerned that the Stellar would be locked to O2 so perhaps less future proof (If I leave O2)
In a nutshell, should I be concerned which version I get given that I will be on O2 and want to use it as described?
I hope you can help as I want to send an email asap if I should be insisting on one version.
Regards
Bryan

I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps

dazb2001 said:
I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps
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Thanks for the quick reply.
O2 aren't sending the phone as such, we use an intermediary as we get a better deal from them. They may of course just be getting the phones from O2 anyway and that's why I'm concerned that I may be getting a Stellar when I asked for a Tytn II.
I'm just wondering if I would be better insisiting on a Tytn II or on a Stellar or should I not be bothered?
I understand it's the same device and the hardware is the same so they will both do the same job, just wondered which was best for me given that the O2 will be branded in the software (I assume) and maybe the vanilla Tytn II will be easiest to get working with other stuff. Or will the Stellar work better/easier with their 3G settings etc...
The Tytn II is a charcoal type colour isn't it? and the Stellar silver?
If so, I prefer the aesthetics of the Tytn II but can't just make a decision on colour now, can I

Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff. If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
From my usage of the Stellar, I've noticed a few things based on comments by other TyTnII/XDA users on this site.
1. Camera - Quality is reasonably good if you can keep your hand steady while you take the picture. The preview isn't very good but I think that's more the camera sensor constantly trying to re-adjust the brightness/contrast/colours more than anything else.
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) - I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times. The Stellar that I have doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. It swaps between portrait/landscape extremely quickly with only a slight delay when going from landscape back to portrait.
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4 and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting although it doesn't seem to happen as frequently. There does however always seem to be a slight stutter when the audio hardware is initialised for the first time, whether playing back a MP3 or using a Ring/Message tone. I suspect this is a driver issue and may get sorted in time. It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.

Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff.
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Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
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Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times...
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I will certainly watch out for that...
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage
but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
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I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4
and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
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And those settings use the built in GPS?
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting ... It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
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Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.
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I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan

WebAgents said:
Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
I will certainly watch out for that...
I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
And those settings use the built in GPS?
Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
To answer in turn
Yes, a hard reset would bring back the branding unless you performed another soft reset after the hard reset (if you see what I mean )
Yes, they are the settings for the internal GPS. Initial satellite pickup after using QuickGPS (and using TomTom for the first time) was about 30 seconds.
Glad the rest was useful!

Internet connection - USB/Bluetooth

Not sure how this has come about but I used to be able to connect to internet really easily through my work laptop when the TyTn II was connected by either Bluetooth or USB. Now I don't seem to be able to connect to either????
When connecting through USB I seem to be able to connect to the PC via 'Internet Sharing' which also lights up the 'Data Connection' icon but when I try to use IE it just says 'Cannot connect using current settings'. Thing is, I haven't changed anything and it used to work fine. Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it. Beginning to think a seperate phone/PDA may be best way ahead.
Unsure of whether the problem is related to the official 6.1 upgrade or the install of NoData (as I got fed up with accidentally hitting the weather and Quick GPS refresh and having the phone eat money).
Regardless of what I try I can't seem to get it to connect to internet albeit phone shows as connected via both Bluetooth or USB.
Short of solving this (and I'm not sure where to start) I'm temted to do a reflash and leave out things like No Data etc etc and just see if it works again. Bit of a nuisance really.
Tried searching all manner of related topics but no joy so far

It is a problem with the WM 6.1 official HTC update
I had exactly the same problem in reverse with my TyTN II when it was running the WM 6.1 (the same official HTC ROM that you have). By 'in reverse' I mean I couldn't initially do internet related things on the TyTN II using my home internet (either via USB or Bluetooth connection). It was fine before but after the upgrade thats when the problem occurred. I didn't have any additional software installed apart from Tomtom Navigator 6.032 (HTC Version) so I don't think your NoData install will be to blame (at least not solely). I did manage to get pocket IE working under these circumstances though after I had a fiddle around in the connections tab under settings - or was it Activesyncs settings.... I could never get the automatic Quick GPS updates to occur though, even under those settings and I still had to manually update (although it did use the home internet connection when I did this).
I remember that I changed a drop down selection from something along the lines of this device is connected to 'Auto' to make it 'The Internet'. Sorry for being so vague but I've now reverted to the original WM 6.0 ROM (more precisely I had HTC do it for free under the warranty) and none of the options I'm looking at now ring any bells. Perhaps someone else recalls more clearly what settings change is required.
I think the most important part of your post is:
Empgamer said:
Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it.
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Thats how I felt about the HTC upgrade that wasn't. I was quick to go down the upgrade path but since it's been back with WM 6.0 other than a few uncommanded resets in the first day or two which haven't since reoccured, the device is now rock solid again. Of course it'd be nice to think the latest HTC upgrade didn't introduce more problems than were already present but in my experience their current update is more trouble than it's worth (and you haven't even mentioned GPS). If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.

Flying Kiwi said:
If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.
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Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself. It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

The spl is an issue - reverting it
pyraxiate said:
Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself.
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I was tempted to do that myself (and even asked HTC for the downgrade file to do so) but there are a couple of issues for those of us that like to keep things 'HTC Official'. A big one for me is that since HTC was responsible for creating the buggy WM 6.1 ROM, they should also accept responsibility for fixing it (fat chance of that, I agree with what -888- wrote in the WM 6.0 vs. WM 6.1 thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432482&page=4 along the lines of the best developers being assigned to the latest and greatest products). If they're not going to fix it, then they should at least revert the device to a reliable state. I was in a fortunate position to be in the area of the HTC Repair Centre but if it means sending the phone away, I understand why some might prefer the DIY option.
It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
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There's alot to digest about ROM (and Radio and spl) flashing in the wiki and that takes much more than 10 mins. Although a special spl such as hardSPL isn't used with the HTC official setups, the spl does need to be reverted from the 3.28 version with the official WM 6.1 WWE, back to a 1.xx version with WM 6.0 for proper functioning. That isn't just a simple case of running the RUU program like the upgrade to WM 6.1 was - it has to be manually reverted (presumably using something like jumpSPL and the procedure in the wiki for restoring a device for warranty purposes) so it gets more complicated. I was expecting spl version something along the lines of 1.56 on my WM 6.0 setup (to match the ROM numbers) but they installed 1.93, presumably because it was more reliable or offered other performance benifits. Perhaps the ideal spl is in the package already but again this cant just be run like the WM 6.1 upgrade was so there's some jiggery pokery involved

I tend to agree. Not sure why I really bothered with 6.1. One of the first things I did was use Kaiser Tweaks to turn threaded SMS off.
I didn't realise that reverting to WM 6.0 would require more than reflashing so that makes it a little more problematic. I'm not near a HTC Centre. The whole device certainly seems more buggy under 6.1 than it did before and this internet through laptop problem is a nuisance. Being fairly unimpressed with Co-Pilot I don't use GPS that much and, withe the aside that i think I've used the keyboard twice since I had it (another 'essential' I'd put on my list for phone/PDA attributes), I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination

Post is an option.
Empgamer said:
I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination
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Of course it's up to you but don't forget that even though you may not be near a HTC Repair Centre, you could still call them up on the phone to make the booking and post the device to them once you've arranged to have it reverted. They should do it for free but confirm this so you don't get any unpleasant surprises.

Annoying sluggish behaviour - T-Mobile MDA Vario III

I have a T-Mobile UK, MDA Vario III and have to say for me personally this is the best "all-rounder" of the MDA Vario phones I've had so far. I also use phoneAlarm v2.10 (latest) to assist in making profiles on the phone easier to switch between.... one gripe though (and I don't know WHY this happens)...
I'm in the middle of writing a text, or even generally using the phone, and it decides to just stop working for about 5 seconds. All screen and keyboard response just stops! Then it kicks back in again. Very annoying!
Does anyone else have this problem, seen it, or even better still, do they have a fix for this? By the way am also using the default WM6 Pro CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2) that came with it from T-Mobile UK.

yeah i have a fix for your problem, which i suffered from too when i had a mda vario III: flash a new rom!
i am currently running duttys wm6 dualtouch v4 and it is so much better than the t-mobile rom. it has fixed so many issues that i had just taken for granted a permanent problems. Trust me it is like buying a newer better phone, but for free!

creed said:
yeah i have a fix for your problem, which i suffered from too when i had a mda vario III: flash a new rom!
i am currently running duttys wm6 dualtouch v4 and it is so much better than the t-mobile rom. it has fixed so many issues that i had just taken for granted a permanent problems. Trust me it is like buying a newer better phone, but for free!
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Really? Sounds good. Let me see where I can get this from and see the issues. Are there any issue with duttys though? (he says being the old sceptic).
And most importantly what's the battery life like? I got rid of "HTC Home" which chomped battery power like crazy, even using just GSM and not HSDPA.

There were no big issues for me. One thing I did have a problem with was I didn't hard reset the device after flashing the new ROM. This caused a few problems. Once I had done this they went away. The device is alot quicker. One issue I have found is that I can't change the cube icons. A little gripe but no other problems with this ROM otherwise.

Hi bennyb0y,
I had the same problem on this machine. I eventually tracked down my problem to the BBC 24 custom template I was using with Spb Traveler for weather - it was using most of the cpu time! Solution - use another template.
Regards,
Paul

I had the same problem with my vario III and the best thing I've done to date with it was to update to Sleuths ROM. It's damn fast, not buggy, doesn't crash, has all the features you could want and the best thing is, it was so simple to do. Just read the wiki to unlock etc, then follow Sleuths easy instructions. The ROM is called someting like "so many ROMS so little time" V3.0 (or somthing like that).
It does what it says on the tin.

Big problems with my diamond... gsm signal lost permanently, battery problems...

dear all...
i deceided a few weeks ago to change from nokia to the htc touch diamond. a friend of mine has an htc touch hd and i really liked it. the touch display was my favorit. i don't like apple products, so the iphone was never an option, also i don't like samsung products (mobile ones) because i had a samsung mobile and had a lot of troubles with it.
well... since i have the touch diamond, i also have troubles with it. in the first three days i wasn't able to phone -> the phone hangs up and if i tried to dial a number no one can hear me and i didn't hear the one i called. i gave it back to the shop for repair -> after two weeks i got it back and was told there was an software problem and it is now fixed. ok... well it was fixed, but new problems were upcoming. first of all the battery -> it's not possible to pass a day from morning to the late evening with charging the diamond only once... first i thought this is my biggest problem but then i revealed that an other bigger problem exists which actually effects my job. i'm not reachable because my mobile losts connectivity as soon as it goes to standby. when i activate it over the power button it searches for an gsm signal but it doesn't find one. it doesn't matter if i'm in my flat or if i stand with the mobile near to the radio mast. it only helps if i turn the phone function off and on.
my friend told me about the opportunity that this forum exists where people working on developing roms and other nice features for various mobiles and i should take a look at it. well.... i registered here, read the howtos and guides and flashing bibles and tried nearly all available roms here to improve the behaviours of my diamond, but i don't succeed, well this is the time, where i capitulate and ask for help... my provider can't help me... they said that the mobile is not so often sold and they don't hear anything about customer complaints...
info about my acutal-configuration:
mobile: htc touch diamond
spl: 1.9.30-OliNex HSPL
rom: 2.07.Gen.Y GER
radio: 1.09.25.23 (htc because mobile is still security locked)
protocoll version: 52.51.25.26H
provider: A1 mobilkom www.a1.net
location: EU/AT/VIENNA
can anyone give me suggestions what to do?
can anyone help me to make my diamond a mobilephone it should be or give me an advice what i can do?
i also think about resetting the phone to factory defaults (at the moment i'm searching for a guide) and give the handy back and pay the upgrade price for the touch hd... my friend doesn't have any problem with it and i don't know any other way out of this situation... at the moment i have a multimedia device with wich i can't phone and couldn't be reached which in my opinion is absolutly not acceptable.
kind regards

unlock it and use bsb rom

losing GSM signal when the phone is on standby? I'm just making a guess here, but I believe you might have a problem with the ROM and or just only the radio. unlock it and flash a new ROM and or a radio to see if it works
as for battery life, the Diamond battery is very bad, and the radio you use is directly related to the battery life, some radio sucks battery out dry pretty quickly, but normally, this phone requires a charge once per day