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Hello,
is it possible to use the HTC Kaiser with the mobile standart in Japan?
And what about the HTC Touch and the HTC Herald?
Thank you for your answere.
Special2k3
As I understand it Japan has no GSM networks, but they do have 3G networks, so no 2G devices, such as the original HTC Touch or Herald will work, but 3G devices such as the HTC Kaiser, Touch Dual and Touch Cruise should work without any problem, but still only on 1 or 2 of the carriers.
Surur
surur said:
As I understand it Japan has no GSM networks, but they do have 3G networks, so no 2G devices, such as the original HTC Touch or Herald will work, but 3G devices such as the HTC Kaiser, Touch Dual and Touch Cruise should work without any problem, but still only on 1 or 2 of the carriers.
Surur
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But the Compact IV from Vodafone (i think it is the Herald) has UMTS. So if i understand you right, i habe to use a UMTS phone in japan?
EDIT: Sorry, we have the compact III, not the compact IV.
Special2k3
It doesnt Work in Japan!
UMTS is a G3 Network ... but Japans G3 Network is a own System. It use different Protokolls and Frequency ... G3 only say -> you can make Video Call in a High Speed Network.
NetrunnerAT said:
It doesnt Work in Japan!
UMTS is a G3 Network ... but Japans G3 Network is a own System. It use different Protokolls and Frequency ... G3 only say -> you can make Video Call in a High Speed Network.
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This Page from a japanese mobile provider says that the Tytn will work. So i think (hope) the TyTn II will also work.
Special2k3
I live in Japan, and I used a TyTN and now a TyTN II, so I can guarantee you that it will work. SoftBank and DoCoMo sell the TyTN...
chenga said:
I live in Japan, and I used a TyTN and now a TyTN II, so I can guarantee you that it will work. SoftBank and DoCoMo sell the TyTN...
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Ok, thank you. That was the answer i was looking for
Special2k3
Hi all,
I have been using a GSM pre-paid card on my Tytn II for over a month without problem. However, yesterday I have been to some places without reception, and I have put my mobile into flight mode. Also, I have been using the GPS in a car (charging as well).
Now I turn off flight mode, I cannot able to register to the network anymore!! If i set to to use "GSM only", I cannot even get anything back from the network!
I am wondering if the GMS modem is dead.... anyway to test the GSM connection in Kaiser? (I don't have a 3G sim to test at the moment, will try to grab one from friends and test to see if 3G connection do work...)
*Updated:
I have just tried to run the FieldTest Application for Tytn on my Tytn II (can someone tells me if the value there should be valid or not?). In the GSM page, the RSSI value is between 16 and 29, is this not acceptable? Maybe something gone wrong in the antenna? Can someone try the fieldtest app and tell me what is your RSSI value? Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=274269
anyone here able to me?
anyway, my current ROM version:
ROM version: 1.81.710.1 WWE
Radio: 1.27.12.11
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
I've not checked for the TyTN, but RSSI value reported by various GSM modules I've worked with is multiples of 2dB above a baseline of -113dBm...
so an RSSI of 16 is (2 x 16) -113 = -81dBm. Anything which is stable above -100dBm should be fine. So that suggests your radio is fine...
On the other hand my TyTN2 is reporting RSSI of 34 (modules I've used only measure up to 31) so that may not be true for TyTN2. I do have a *very* strong signal here though - the base station is a few hundred meters away and the antenna is level with my window.
Check that your network selection is set to 'automatic', network type to GSM and Band selection to 'Auto'.
If that doesn't work set change network selection to 'Manual' and see if it lists any networks found when it scans.
daufoo said:
anyone here able to me?
anyway, my current ROM version:
ROM version: 1.81.710.1 WWE
Radio: 1.27.12.11
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
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My RSSI value varies between about 23 to 28 but I don't understand enough to know what that means (and have no time to read the link at the moment). If its a HTC Branded TyTN (I don't know what that ROM value means) what happens when you run Connection Setup in the Settings, Connections tab? That should automate things for you.
Yes, already set to Auto.
Tested Sim cards in Australia: Telstra (2G), Vodafone, Optus, 3.... all failed.
However, using a CSL pre-paid from HK, able to connect to Telstra HSPDA network....
Also from the FieldTest App, in GSM page, RSSI 1 value stay at 255dbm, not sure if it is ok
If you do a network search, does it not list any 2g networks at all (with either SIM or USIM installed)?
You said before your rssi was 16-29, now it's 255? What changed?
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If you do a network search, does it not list any 2g networks at all (with either SIM or USIM installed)?
You said before your rssi was 16-29, now it's 255? What changed?
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From the FieldTest app, under the GSM page, there is a RSSI value. For my Tytn II, it is currently stay at around 26 now.... but I found another RSSI 1 value at the bottom of the page, which stay at 255dbm. Since this app is for Tytn, not sure if the values are valid for Tytn II.
Currently I have no idea why the only SIM card that works is the HK CSL SIM, which roam to Telstra HSDPA network (if i disable HSDPA, it does connect to 3G), but all my other GSM SIM does not work (even the one from 3, which suppose to connect 3G does not work).
I have no idea whether it is software or hardware issue at the moment, I have done hard reset, tried a few ROMs already.... still the same result...
Ok.... looks like my mobile is working again.
looks like the RSSI 1 value is only valid if it managed to connect to a GSM network.
There's no Auto option in Connection Setup
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Yes, already set to Auto.
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If this is in response to my suggestion to use the Connection Setup function, that doesn't have an auto option - it's even easier! It's in Settings => Connections tab and simply asks you what country you're in and then lets you choose the operator, then it configures things for you. If you don't have an HTC branded TyTN II (or suitably modified other setup) you may not have this little gem though.
I understand that currently the Diamond does not support 3g data in the USA. There are rumors that the Diamond will eventually release in the US on the GSM network sometime after the CDMA release. Seeing as HTC already proved that sometimes they can enable frequencies with just a radio rom update, do you think the current Diamond will someday be able to support 3g in the USA?
I sold my Tilt a few weeks ago and got myself an Iphone. I am starting to hate the Iphone and really would like to go back to a WM device. But the Tilt is not an option and the only phone that looks worth the jump is the Diamond. But I do not want to buy a phone that will never be able to support 3g. Edge is just too slow, and with AT&T you pay the same data rate for an Edge or a 3G phone.
I have done plenty of searches and can't seem to find any conclusive answers. Maybe there isn't one.
Thanks for any suggestions you may have. Please don't turn this into an iphone bashing thread. The iphone has many good qualities, it just does not suit my needs as I thought it would.
Jeff
no you must wait for the local diamond release. they are hardware specific.
Well that just sucks. I guess I will have no choice but to wait for the Diamond or the Xperia to invade our borders.
its does suck, i have a Diamond from Asia and i cant use the 850Mhz 3G Telstra network.... lucky for the 3Telstra joint venture network!
I thought that was one of the benefits of the new 1.93 ROM, it utilizes 850Mhz, no?
Mark
thats only GMS band and is also only sim card specific. i have the 1.93 rom and a telstra next g sim and i only get UMTS (900-2100) + GSM (900+1800) bands...
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no you must wait for the local diamond release. they are hardware specific.
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Thats just a bummer. Guess it's edge for me, unless something miraculously happens
Can anyone explain exactly what it will take for HSDPA in the US?
Hi -
Similar to the original poster, I have been watching with anticipation the development of the Diamond and the XDA cookers' work on unlocking its capabilites. I too am confused, with many conflicting posts about the ability to do HSPDA in the US. Can anyone explain exactly what it will take? Based on my understanding:
1.) Ability to transmit and recieve on the radio frequency used by the telco / phone company for UMTS service (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System). For AT&T, I thought this frequency was 850 mhz. Based on peoples' reports and some testing done, it seems like the Diamond can be unlocked through a ROM flash to broadcast and recieve on 850 mhz. So far, so good.
2.) Ability to use the UMTS service
My reading of Wikipedia seems to say that UMTS is a "technology" -
This is different from a "standard" like GSM,which is an integrated system of hardware (radio transmitters and towers), an "air interface" (a set of protocols to handle packet transfers, analogous to TCP/IP on the Internet, only using radio waves rather than wires), an "infrastructure" (base station sub-system and GPRS (packet) subsystem - towers and the computers and routers that connect them) and connection software (validating users, tracking usage, billing, transmission control codecs, etc.). UMTS is a collection of transmission control codecs and user identification codecs operating within a GSM network. So, UMTS is a phrase that describes improvements to the old, 2G GSM protocols. But it is still GSM.
AT&T in the US is using WCDMA as the "air interface" over which it is running its UMTS service. It is using the 850 mhz frequency. One key difference between GSM and UMTS is that UMTS uses a "Universal Subscriber Identification Modue" (USIM) rather than a plain old Subscriber Identificaton modue (SIM). If AT&T's UMTS service requires a USIM, then having only a SIM will prevent you from accessing the UMTS service - you will only be able to access the data service offered by the GSM, which is EDGE in the US, not WCDMA (i.e., only 2G). This is regardless of hardware. If this is the case, then it's a bummer.
HOWEVER....the UMTS service CAN use SIM cards as well, so AT&T may have theirs configured to use SIM cards as well. I currently have the HTC Trinity with what I think is a SIM card - I was forced to "upgrade" the SIM card when Cingular "integrated" with AT&T, so my card is branded Cingular, but has the snazzy 3G fireball on it. So maybe it's actually a USIM? My Trinity does have the "H" icon show up, and I can get 300kbps or so tethering to my laptop (but not above that - grrrr...) so maybe I'm getting UMTS service on that device? If so, then the SIM vs USIM should not be an issue if I got a Diamond.
3.) Ability to use the HSPDA protocol
As far as I can tell, HSPDA is pure protocol - just like TCP/IP. It achieves faster speeds by using fast packet scheduling and something called adaptive modualtion and coding. It is part of the UMTS standards, so it's actually part fo the overall UMTS system, but not everyone uses it. If your phone and your carrier can use this protocol, you can get HSPDA.
Based on the above, it seems reasonable that the Diamond is capable of transmitting at HSPDA speeds in the US on AT&T's network. Has anyone been able to actually do this? If not, could those much more informed than me explain the obstacle? Is it a setting on AT&T's side? A setting on the Diamond? Is the radio hardware for UMTS somehow different? Does the Diamond lack WCDMA capability due to lack of software?
I understand that some people have tried selecting the band on their ROM-flashed phone to get 3G on AT&T with no success, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. I'm trying to understand the eaxt nature of the obstacle.
Thanks!!!
Mike
I can't speak for all the technical hardware specs possibilities. But here's the latest status as i understand it:
1. There are at least 2 GSM-based Diamond versions available now: DIAM100 and DIAM130. The DIAM100 is the original one that went on sale. The DIAM130 seems to be the new Telstra Diamond that does support 850 3G.
2. There are lots of radio ROMs out available now. Some unlock 850 GSM for the DIAM100, which was previously thought impossible due to lacking of an 850 radio antenna. But that was a lie obviously. No Radio ROMs are currently avail that have successfully unlocked 850 3G. And since the DIAM130 is the only one working on 850 3G (using a radio ROM that is available for the DIAM100 even), the prevailing thought is it is actually a HW limitation on the DIAM100. I.e. it cannot do 850 3G no matter the radio ROM. (Note that OS ROMs have no effect on the radios ability. However, they might unlock the availability of the frequency selection in the Phone Settings window on WM. Note also that simply the existence of a selection in that window does NOT mean it physically can do that frequency.
3. No radio ROM thus far has made any iteration of the Diamond capable of doing 1700 anything, which is what TMo US would need for its 3G network. So, if a TMo US one is to become available, it would be yet another HW version.
#2 and #3 are still just theory, but pretty solid ones at this point.
So, my question is re: the DIAM130. What other 3G bands is it capable of. Only 850? Is it still quad-band GSM capable? If its flashed with other Radio ROMs, does it still maintain the same capabilities? I'd consider getting one if possible and using it here on AT&T if it is (or can be) quad band GSM and 850 3G. Esp if it still had 2100 3G, or even if it could be flashed when necessary to support 2100 3G when I travel. The lengths I've considered going to for this.
In any case, I lose more and more interest in this product each day. I'm inching closer to a hopeful AT&T Omnia, which too has drama surrounding it. And since I just got my g/f an iPhone 3G, I hate to admit, I'm heavily considering one as well now. What I might lose in flexibility, I think I would gain in having a solid device, that works worldwide 3G, and would keep everything I want in sync.
Sad really. I've been a WM-trooper for a decade now. 80% my music is in WMA format. For the stupidity of these dramas, WM may very well lose a devotee. (And as you can see from my willingness to import the phone and flash it whenever necessary, I'm not just giving up, I'm trying my best. but when the companies make it this hard, you gotta question if its worth it.)
Thanks Jomo!!!
Sounds like we're in the same boat. I won't get an iPone because part of my reason for having the phone is being able to tether to my laptop in an emergency. If the Diamond can't do it, I'll stick with my Trinity, which can. Really, I just want the better form factor...
One thing that has me confused is the whole radio thing. I'm no electrical engineer, but it seems like there are two components to the "radio" of the cellphone.
1.) The hardware - specific physical characteristics like the length of the antenna will determine the frequency you can use. I remember the old days of citizens band radios (that's CBs to those good buddies who saw Convoy <grin>) where you had to change physical crystals to get the right frequencies. Yes, apparently I'm old (geez, when did THAT happen???). I can also see the clock cycle of the radio's DSP determining how quickly the radio can handle packets.
2.) The software - herein lies all the nitty gritty details about protocols and the like - you need to have radio software that uses all of the hardware - like "turning on" the 850 band.
I guess the real questions for you gurus out there are
a.) how much of the UMTS protocol is programmed into the chip versus based on software (more software-based would support there being a software solution)? The chip used in the Diamonds is the Qualcomm 7201 chipset (at least the GSM ones do) which specifically lists UMTS as a capability, so it seems like the software just isn't using it right.
b.) do you need hardware components for each frequency of UMTS?
It just seems that going from GSM to UMTS is a matter of using different software, although you would have to have hardware capable of UMTS speeds. Ifthis is the case, then a hardware solution is possible. If it requires sepcial software to add into the existing software, we may be out of luck until one is created with the right stuff.
Ugh. My head hurts. Learning cellular radio through internet research is not easy. I suppose it would be easier if I were smarter <grin>
Mike
This may be old news, and still doesn't answer the querstion whether the current batch of Diamonds can be software / ROM updated to do US 3G, but at least there is a device that can - the product name DIAM110 (as opposed to the DIAM100 and DIAM130) has been submitted to the FCC a while back and definitely does do 850 UMTS.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=5028
Good luck!
Mike
Excellent thread!
Very informative - thanks for doing the research and putting it all in one place! I too am somewhat confused as to the availability of 3G data access on AT&T - this thread has helped me understand some of the technologies involved and raised some interesting questions.
3.5G is backwards compatible with 3G
I just read in the wikipedia that 3.5g is backwards compatible with 3G tecnology, so i cant find the point in which Diamonds just CANT use regular 850 3G. Perhaps is just a little tweaking over the HW. But I believe it will be done sooner or later
DIAM100 with RTR6285?
Thanks for the informative post. I've been looking for the answer to this question long before I got my diamond. Here's what I've found so far. Hope it helps.
According to this page and this page, Diamond uses Qualcomm RTR6285 as its RF Transceiver. And based on the press release from Qualcomm,
The RTR6285 transceiver supports the following bands:
* North American triple-band UMTS (bands 2, 4, 5)
* Japanese triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 6, 9)
* European, Chinese and rest-of-world triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 3, 8)
* Global quadruple-band GSM and EDGE (800/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Note that "North American triple-band UMTS (bands 2, 4, 5)" means it supports 1900MHz, 1700MHz, and 850MHz
Here's the wiki page that lists the UMTS frequency bands
Many users on this forum mentioned that Diamond lacks 850MHz 3G support due to the hardware limitation, but that contradicts the RTR6285 press release. Can somebody please confirm that DIAM100 uses RTR6285?
Thanks,
Bruce
WOW!!! bruce0126 you just make my day!!!
Keep the dream alive people!
So if its the same Hardware then what is keeping the phone from working on UMTS 850 band?
The ROM is activated for the North American frequencies so its not a ROM issue.
Thats ODDDDDDD
could it be lack of antenna for those specific bands?
we need a techwiz!!
Ive seen the specs also and the radio hardware is supposed to recieve at 850mhz, perhaps the transmited has been " Programmed" in factory to forbid the use of this particular band. Of course im only guessing.
Any one has a good new about american 3G in our DIAM100 ??
Mods Can You Make This Thread Sticky?
I wnder wy the Mods havent dne this thread as sticky ;O
Sticky it please!
is it possible to upgrade a blueangel pda2k so i can use the next g network? sorry if im a noob lol
sorry that is not possible since the networks you are able to use are hardware features. you can't change a cdma phone into a gsm device and you can't use a software upgrade to enable hscsd, umts, edge and others.
it would be the same thing to want to enable wlan in a phone, that just doesn't have it. the software alone cannot change hardware specs.
its not an EVDO but yeah i know what u mean,
may look at buying somthing similar off ebay that does the same thing but 3g.
cheers
Has anyone ever been able to figure out how to activate the 3G in the T8282 Radio? I know this was discuussed a while back and there was lots of controversy over whether it could work...
I have searched for updated answers and found nothing as to the current status of this issue.
Just want to know before I go ahead and sell my Blackstone. Great phone but Edge is too slow for me. If you are interested in buying mine PM me. I only used it a couple of months primarily for this reason and it is in pristine condition.
It is unlocked T8282 and using it on AT&T network in USA.
afaik you can't do it, i'ts an hardware limitation and software is not related.
fast way to fix it? sell your t8282 and buy a t8285
T8285 or is it
How can you tell?
I bought a supposed T8285 and after installing Topix 3.1.2 it won't connect to 3G anymore just E
Now when I look at the Hardware Identity it says T8282... then how could Ihave had a 3G and H connections?
check setting
check if 3G is enabled if not enable it and config the setting 2 auto .
I have T8282 and it has 3G/H ^^
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D'rath
Scuter said:
How can you tell?
I bought a supposed T8285 and after installing Topix 3.1.2 it won't connect to 3G anymore just E
Now when I look at the Hardware Identity it says T8282... then how could Ihave had a 3G and H connections?
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if your device says BLAC120 in bootloader mode it's a T8285, if not it's a T8282.
Scuter said:
How can you tell?
I bought a supposed T8285 and after installing Topix 3.1.2 it won't connect to 3G anymore just E
Now when I look at the Hardware Identity it says T8282... then how could Ihave had a 3G and H connections?
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in Manila:
Settings - Connections - enable 3G.
That´s it!!!
you really guys don't know the problem here!!!!
Blackstone HTC HD(t2828) will never works on 3g connection in USA.. its just for Asian and Europe countries