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I've been playing with the GPU clocks and here's the result with the CPU running at 500MHz and the GPU at 200MHz (I think).
This is actually a better Neocore score than a Nexus One gets (though obviously it has a few more pixels to push).
I pushed the changes to the sourceforge copy of the kernel (ltg is broken) to allow messing with the clock. The best I could get is using 0xa99 in /sys/module/clock_7x00/parameters/gpu which I think is 800MHz/4. (bits 3..6 are the divider-1).
Who knows how stable it will be at this speed.
Neat. It's fascinating that there are people still looking to improve our Vogues to their maximum potential when they are becoming seriously outdated...
looks like an update for rogue tools in needed
I searched and cant find where I would download this via SourceForge.
That's amazing. Overclocking the GPU makes me feel like it's a PC.
Nice work dzo!!
I'll implement this into Rogue Tools ASAP.
great i guess ill hang in for a rogue tools update...
Awesome! Any negative side effects?
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I pushed the changes to the sourceforge copy of the kernel (ltg is broken) to allow messing with the clock.
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I don't see the code anywhere, I think you forgot to commit it
gTan64 said:
I don't see the code anywhere, I think you forgot to commit it
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Following this thread from NOW. DZO, if you were in Spain, I would invite you to my restaurant for an exquisite dinner.
PeterDLai said:
Neat. It's fascinating that there are people still looking to improve our Vogues to their maximum potential when they are becoming seriously outdated...
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These devices aren't as outdated as some would think. Newer phones have slightly more ram, higher res screen, and that all important accelerometer. Being able to overclock our devices, takes away the CPU advantage these devices have.
The new iPhone 4 (that was announced yesterday) is amazing. It has a front camera that's for FaceTime Video Chat! OMG, my Kaiser clearly doesn't have that. Oh wait! I has a camera in the front of my phone and I can in fact use video chat. Yea, it doesn't work in Android but it does in WM, and it's not limited to Wifi connection only.
The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.
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These devices aren't as outdated as some would think. Newer phones have slightly more ram, higher res screen, and that all important accelerometer. Being able to overclock our devices, takes away the CPU advantage these devices have.
The new iPhone 4 (that was announced yesterday) is amazing. It has a front camera that's for FaceTime Video Chat! OMG, my Kaiser clearly doesn't have that. Oh wait! I has a camera in the front of my phone and I can in fact use video chat. Yea, it doesn't work in Android but it does in WM, and it's not limited to Wifi connection only.
The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.
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Also us Verizon users who don't have data plans can have a smartphone in the Vogue, use Android, and not pay the outrageous 30 dollar data fee. That's a major point.
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Also us Verizon users who don't have data plans can have a smartphone in the Vogue, use Android, and not pay the outrageous 30 dollar data fee. That's a major point.
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+1 to that. that's the only reason I ever got the vogue. of course, now I have the data plan. and i'd never go back to a 'dumb' phone. but still.
nice article on iphone 4 vs android.
http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/2066-top-android-phones-shouldn-t-be-wary-of-new-iphone-4
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The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.
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Idk, I upgraded to the Evo and am VERY happy with it.
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Idk, I upgraded to the Evo and am VERY happy with it.
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A coworker in my office got the Evo. I played around with it, and it is a very nice phone. I actually just sold my Touch Pro 2 for a Vogue because I wanted something smaller, and most of all I wanted to step into Android without breaking the bank (still in contract )!
The Vogue is quite the device! Sure, it's not as fancy as many of today's phones, but it's small, light, and it seems to be infinitely hackable. I have a special place in my heart for it.
Dzo you never fail to amaze me. I still mess with my vogue running 2.1 a couple times a week. I mostly have it for my two sons who are 3 and 7. I disabled the ril and keep some games music and kids games on there for them since it doesn't have service. That damn thing lasted over 2 weeks in standby with out being on a charger. I wish my hero could do that. And 36fps in neocore. I could barely touch that with the hero over-clocked to 761mhz.
On a side note. Anyone ever try the wifi/sdcard thing? Or if it's even possible to piggyback a usb wifi stick on to this? This would greatly extend usability of this device for me at least since I use it as more of a pda.
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Dzo you never fail to amaze me. I still mess with my vogue running 2.1 a couple times a week. I mostly have it for my two sons who are 3 and 7. I disabled the ril and keep some games music and kids games on there for them since it doesn't have service. That damn thing lasted over 2 weeks in standby with out being on a charger. I wish my hero could do that. And 36fps in neocore. I could barely touch that with the hero over-clocked to 761mhz.
On a side note. Anyone ever try the wifi/sdcard thing? Or if it's even possible to piggyback a usb wifi stick on to this? This would greatly extend usability of this device for me at least since I use it as more of a pda.
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I doubt the wifi stick idea would work. From what I've read, the Vogue's hardware doesn't support USB Host. I've also read that the wifi sdcard thing also didn't work due to lack of driver support.
I think our only way of getting wifi on this thing is to just solder in our own wifi chip.
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I doubt the wifi stick idea would work. From what I've read, the Vogue's hardware doesn't support USB Host. I've also read that the wifi sdcard thing also didn't work due to lack of driver support.
I think our only way of getting wifi on this thing is to just solder in our own wifi chip.
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The hardware does support usb host and I have the documentation for it but somebody would have to write a driver.
I have a few questions.
#1 How's the battery life overclocking the GPU? Is it the same or worse?
#2 Can anyone get Kwaak3 running so we can get some benchmarks going? I can only get that working on Polys 2.1g, and that was months ago.
There's a gallery of NC teardown pics at zdnet. XDA isn't letting me post the link because i'm not verified, so maybe someone else can.
This was inevitable, but I hadn't been able to find it until today. I thought others might be interested as well.
http://www.zdnet.com/photos/nookcolor-teardown/487636 here it is
From the pictures I see a good possibility for a bigger battery, or even adding a second one. Lots of room, it won't be pretty but something could be fashioned to fit.
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There's a gallery of NC teardown pics at zdnet. XDA isn't letting me post the link because i'm not verified, so maybe someone else can.
This was inevitable, but I hadn't been able to find it until today. I thought others might be interested as well.
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http://www.zdnet.com/photos/nookcolor-teardown/487636?tag=content;get-photo-roto
Looks good.
Nice to see some more details about the NC coming out, I have yet to find a *detailed* list of the real hardware specs though.. most of the "tech specs" list mention supported ebook formats...
I ordered one of these the other day via a relative in the US and hopefully will be getting it next week some time.
I will miss the haptic feedback though so am wondering if it will be possible to replace the useless mono speaker with a motor from a mobile phone or something..
/mrintegrity
Cool idea. But it'll only work for typing and maybe apps that have clicking sounds. Still, it should work just fine. Of course you'd have to attach it to the inside real tight. Duck tape won't do
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Cool idea. But it'll only work for typing and maybe apps that have clicking sounds. Still, it should work just fine. Of course you'd have to attach it to the inside real tight. Duck tape won't do
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Thanks, my mind is kinda running over with ideas actually
From the teardown pics the internals seem pretty basic and there is hopefully a good bit of space. I would love to know if there are any available usb / jtag / etc headers available though.
If not I was thinking also about the possibility of modifying the usb connector with a switch and a usb 3g dongle inside, I just don't know if there is a 3g dongle that is not based on mini pcie though.
As for the haptic feedback I guess you can just assign a "sound" to everything that should produce feedback.
What about the accellerometer, is that sufficient to control cars in steering wheel based games?
/mrintegrity
To answer your very last question yes.. I have Asphalt5 running and won my first race.
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Thanks, my mind is kinda running over with ideas actually
From the teardown pics the internals seem pretty basic and there is hopefully a good bit of space. I would love to know if there are any available usb / jtag / etc headers available though.
If not I was thinking also about the possibility of modifying the usb connector with a switch and a usb 3g dongle inside, I just don't know if there is a 3g dongle that is not based on mini pcie though.
As for the haptic feedback I guess you can just assign a "sound" to everything that should produce feedback.
What about the accellerometer, is that sufficient to control cars in steering wheel based games?
/mrintegrity
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The usb dongle would have to support android. To my knowledge there isn't one... but physically it is possible to stick it inside. They aren't that big, just look big cause of the plastic casing.
I think realistically, for now a bigger battery should be the first thing attempted, given the OS limitations we'd face with other mods. It would also allow us to run the NC at 800 mhz at all times via setcpu.
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... for now a bigger battery should be the first thing attempted, given the OS limitations we'd face with other mods. It would also allow us to run the NC at 800 mhz at all times via setcpu.
Sent from my NookColor
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Well, I haven't even got mine yet. I can see on the tracking page that it's "delivered" but my dad is away for the weekend so it will be monday before he even sends it to me! I am in Sweden so it will probably take another 5 days after that
/mr
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To answer your very last question yes.. I have Asphalt5 running and won my first race.
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What version of Asphalt are you running? Does it stretch correctly or is it stupid and square in the middle?
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What version of Asphalt are you running? Does it stretch correctly or is it stupid and square in the middle?
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Hd for the Tab.. You'll need to install spare parts to toggle off compatibility mode to get fullscreen.
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Hd for the Tab.. You'll need to install spare parts to toggle off compatibility mode to get fullscreen.
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Did you download from the Gameloft site? I couldnt get the version from my G2 to get past the license check, and the only other version I've tried is a pirated 3.13 version. I would be glad to pay for it if I knew it would work.
Tried disabling the compatibility mode and the top of the screen is blank and I have to press high to get selections to work.
EDIT: I figured it out. You have to load a version made for Samsung Galaxy Tab or Galaxy S. I downloaded a version from Gameloft.com with Galaxy Tab selected as my phone and the game displays fine. If you purchase from their website you have to do some trickery. When they text you a download link, just type the link address from your phone in a browser on the Nook Color and the download should start and install the game.
isolated_epidemic - I'm having the same issue as you with Asphalt, as well as some of the other GameLoft games. Does anyone have a solution for this?
i was mislead so im gonna go back and double check at BB to see if what i remember is right or my mind played a trick on me
share your experiances you have had
I rooted mine two hours after buying it, and it's slowly replacing my laptop for web surfing, last.FM, etc
I've wiped mine a few times due to issues i've created tinkering with it....but I love it just the same
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As soon as I can get RDP or VNC to work it will replace my laptop when I'm on the move. It is very capable for a tablet.
i just wish it had 3g not every place has free wifi
I used mine about 2 hours total to make sure it was working, then I updated it to 1.0.1, Auto-Nooted it, and have been installing apps and playing with it since. Not a single problem so far except for one which hopefully will get resolved sometime.. I really love my Delicious Bookmarks app, but it requires going into the Accounts and Settings and adding an account, can't do that right now.
I haven't tried the B&N Store or Lend Me since rooting, per http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=873975 <--this thread
Otherwise zero problems, it's working great. I'm using FBReader to read my epubs like I always have. The Softkeys are slightly quirky but I'm getting used to them... and like seems to be totally normal on dual-storage devices, some apps aren't looking in the place I'd expect them to, such as WallSwitch (automatically switch wallpapers) is looking in /system/media and not /sdcard or such like I'd expect it to.. I might wind up pushing my pictures there /system has 160M free, no biggie
EDIT: After running the built-in B&N Gallery app, it seems like it spawned a media search and WallSwitch now shows my Backgrounds folder. Yay.
I have had a very good experience with mine so far- problems, glitches, I have minorly screwed it up a few times.
So far I have not screwed it up totally but I will feel much better when we have a full Recovery.
What I like:
The hardware itself, quality and capability seems quite good. Screen is excellent, especially for such a cheap device. WiFi works well- better signal strength than some expensive laptops I have used.
The mod community for rooting and doing so much excellent work already, and hopefully even greater things to come.
What I don't like:
The crippled version of 2.1 B&N has installed.
The lack of GPS and Bluetooth
the lack of portrait mode in B&Ns included software (eReader and many other sections.)
I knew there were many limitations for the stock NC when I ordered mine so I really am not complaining. I don't even mind the lack of cell service since it is pretty easy to connect to an adhoc wifi tether.
The only reason I considered an NC is because they had been rooted a few days before I ordered.
The whole experience is very familiar to me- I first got a Moto Droid shortly after they were first rooted and spent quite a while happily trying many things - and using recovery often.
It is my fervent hope that the devs are as successful with the NC as they were with the original Droid.
Even as the NC is as I type this it is a very good value and tablet.
If we are lucky, it will be a great one soon.
I bought mine solely for the purpose of reading with the added bonus of web surfing and the occasional movie while on the go. I got mine in November before the root and didn't realize there wasn't flash support until I got it home and started playing, went to youtube and got the crummy "mobile" version where the video looked horrible and audio was out of sync. I stumbled across XDA while looking for some kind of a flash hack and rooted after a week of debating whether I should. I'm glad I did.
Thanks to the root, the NC has gone from mundane to a very worth-while device. I love all the stuff I can do thanks to the app support. The youtube app and Dolphin HD alone make it worth rooting.
I was saying in another thread that I had gotten the NC primarily as a reading device, I love periodicals and the NC is pretty good for those. I was on the fence about getting it for a while, the fact that it could be rooted sealed the deal.
I wound up having to exchange my first NC (thankfully the factory reset went very smoothly) due to serious screen flicker issues when the device was set at a mid-level brightness. My second one is much better, though I can still detect a tiny bit of visual flicker under certain lighting conditions.. not a deal-breaker tho.
Couple issues that I've come across :
1. I screwed up the driver install on my PC the first time I tried it, didn't have the INI file in the right place and couldn't side-load anything on to my NC or access it as a storage device. Totally my fault for botching that one. Second try worked fine.
2. My YouTube app no longer launches, it just flicks on for a sec and goes back to the desktop. Probably need to re-install it.
3. Some memory issues when using ACV (comic viewer) to view CBR files. Frequent issues loading pages from the archive files. No issues at all if I extract the images to folders first and load that way, though so it's all good for my comic reading
4. Some apps that I wanted to download like SwitchPro Widgets don't show up in the market for me. Have to side-load them (which stinks since I paid for it and won't be able to get updates directly from the market).
I haven't had the stones to attempt installing the new market app. The old one works well and I'm not a big risk-taker Other than that, the NC is the little tablet that could! It's a fantastic way to get an Android tablet and very capable e-reading device for an extremely reasonable price.
We have 2 of these at home. It has already replaced my laptop at home, Using it mainly for web surfing and reading. I don't mind too much that it does not have 3g since I use my phone to tether when I am on the go. The screen size is just perfect. I just can't see myself trying to carry around anything larger, I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
The rooting process was simple enough and the only problems I had was youtube not working. I did a command in adb that was posted in another thread for the fix. I don't know about the problems with the lend me feature since I have not tried.
I went to my local best buy and barnes and noble yesterday and they are all sold out of the nook color. The nook color seems successful only being launched a month ago, I would not hesitate in getting one. I am very pleased also with the support that it is getting here on XDA.
My wife's NC is still stock but after I showed her what it can do rooted she is thinking about it. It was her idea in the first place to get these things. I was really looking to get a Galaxy Tab but the NC has satisfied my needs @ only $250. I guess I will spend the money I saved on a new Android phone after CES
wendellc said:
The screen size is just perfect. I just can't see myself trying to carry around anything larger, I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
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What he meant was that he doesn't want to sell one, therefore nobody should use them.
And remember, you are talking about the guy who tells people how they are supposed to hold their phones.
I bought one last night fort my wife.rooted it right away and toyed around with for a little bit before bed..
What directory do downloaded files from the internet go to? my evo downloads go to a download folder on sd card but I couldnt find it on the NC. Bash me if you must but give me an answer. TIA
I picked mine up on Black Friday. Had to do some sweet talking... the ones in the store were spoken for already. Well, needless to say I got it, and it's saved my shoulders. Using my 15.6 inch laptop during the 40 min train commute was nice and all but hauling it from car to train, train to office and vice versa wasn't exactly ideal. I'm not a small guy or anything, but HP sure doesn't make things light
So far my NC has been a very worthy companion. It's gotten plenty of looks, comments, oooohhhhs and aaaahhhhhs after I show them Angry Birds and other things. I tether it to my TP2 and I've got internet. I use it in the coffee shops, during lunch to read, at home for a quick browse, at work as a file transfer medium, all in all it has become an indispensable companion. And that's even without BT and Flash. It would be nice if it had a GPS but quite irrelevant really... my TP2 covers that function very nicely. Nedless to say I'm extremely happy with it. One of the best purchases I ever made!
It's great and very encouraging to read all these positive comments about the NC. I have been lurking here since soon after the NC came out and was very happy to hear when it got rooted.
So far I have only played with a stock version in BB, but I'm about 99% sure there is one wrapped and already under the xmas free for me. Thx wifey! Can't wait to officially join the NC group on Xmas day.
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It's great and very encouraging to read all these positive comments about the NC. I have been lurking here since soon after the NC came out and was very happy to hear when it got rooted.
So far I have only played with a stock version in BB, but I'm about 99% sure there is one wrapped and already under the xmas free for me. Thx wifey! Can't wait to officially join the NC group on Xmas day.
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Your wife will regret the purchase when your attention span is completely on the NC and not her, lol...
Its a sweet device that will only get better form here on out. Once bluetooth, nav, and a nice EQ music app (like powerAmp) are up and running, this device can become a phone companion (for roaming wifi), nettop replacement, and even a capable a carputer - nav, OBD2 reader/code clear app, and audio source (bt calls and music).
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Its a sweet device that will only get better form here on out. Once bluetooth, nav, and a nice EQ music app (like powerAmp) are up and running, this device can become a phone companion (for roaming wifi), nettop replacement, and even a capable a carputer - nav, OBD2 reader/code clear app, and audio source (bt calls and music).
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How will peripherals be connected? Does the hardware support USB to go, or do you think there is a BT chip onboard but inactive? Because that would be sweet!
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How will peripherals be connected? Does the hardware support USB to go, or do you think there is a BT chip onboard but inactive? Because that would be sweet!
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1a. By BT (once unleashed)
1b. ?? The BT chip is there (multi function chip), but needs some ROM goodness to "enable."
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1a. By BT (once unleashed)
1b. ?? The BT chip is there (multi function chip), but needs some ROM goodness to "enable."
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To be fair, the BT **SHOULD** be there, based on the listed specs, but custom hardware for things like this is not uncommon, so i won't dream about BT until we really get it.
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I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
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RoboRay said:
What he meant was that he doesn't want to sell one, therefore nobody should use them.And remember, you are talking about the guy who tells people how they are supposed to hold their phones.
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I predict that in 2011 Jobs will announce a new breakthrough in Apple engineering, and will release a 7" tablet. At that time he will also rename the two tablets; MINiPAD and MAXiPAD... I'm just sayin'...
Oh you mean the nanopad... I have that already trademarked... Jobs, we know you're lurkin.. Call me up to negotiate leasing rights.
On that note B&N should let XDA release NC2... Nothing but free droid books loaded upon purchase.
Picked mine up last night and the root process went very well. Couldn't be easier -- thanks to all the hard work by the guys here and at NookDev.
I picked up a Galaxy Tab but returned it before I opened it. I just couldn't justify $600 for that device so, while the Tab has a few more features (2.2, GPS, etc.) this is an awesome little tablet for the money.
Couldn't be happier.
I'm starting a thread about this subject here because it isn't appropriate to continue a separate discussion where it all began.
There is a misunderstanding about Network/Data/Tethering Speeds and I would like to explain it the best I can.
If you Are using the root tether apps, you are connecting at 54Mbps.
- 54Mbps at 40% capacity is around 21.6Mbps
- 21.6Mbps is approximately 2.7 MB (MegaBytes) per second
- 21.6Mbps is also the MAX throughput you should expect
- With overhead and other factors, generally you will get approx 65-70% of that throughput that is usable data (OSI Model Overhead)
- 65% of 21.6Mbps = 1.755 MB/Sec Actual Speed Downloading a File, or 14Mbps
Why, then, would I get readings as high as 20-22Mbps via Speedtest Sites? Because that is RAW data (Little Overhead - OSI Model) and providing you with MAXimum Throughput readings on a 54Mbps Maximum Bandwidth Link.
Bandwidth and Throughput are Totally different, though mistakenly thought of as the same.
If your connecting via the USB Tether option, you are connecting at 480Mbps (USB 2.0 Standard), but you may notice via Windows 7, that the LinkSpeed is reading 412Gbps, which is obviously wrong, so going with 480Mbps for this explanation.
- 480Mbps at 40% capacity is around 192Mbps
- 192Mbps is approximately 24 MB (MegaBytes) per second
- 192Mbps is also the MAX throughput you should expect
- With overhead and other factors, generally you will get approx 65-70% of that throughput that is usable data (OSI Model Overhead)
- 65% of 192Mbps = 15.6 MB/Sec Actual Speed Downloading a File, or 124.8Mbps
If your network speed is at 21.6Mbps or less (SpeedTest directly on the phone), you wouldn't necessarily see any significant speed differences between the phone/USB Tether/WiFi Tether Methods.
If your phone, such as mine, is getting Speeds as fast as 40.5Mbps Down, then yes, you would have quite a difference between USB Tether and Wifi Tether speeds on your computer.
40.5Mbps = 5.06 MB/Sec File Transfer Rate. Because the capacity of the USB Tethering is way beyond the Max Network Rate (Phone), there is theoretically no Loss in speed. 124.8Mbps - 40.5Mbps = 84.3Mbps. There is over 84.3Mbps of spare throughput available.
So, for those who have argued that there shouldn't be that much of a difference between Wifi Tethering and USB Tethering, learn about overhead, bandwidth, througputs, and the OSI model. It's factual information and will allow you to understand more about the difference in speeds on any network. Using the methods of calculation above, you will always be able to know what to expect when transferring a file to and from the internet, or even another computer. Just keep note of the MAX output numbers. There will always be something that gets in the way. The Max Speed on the Freeway might be 65MPH, but when traffic is very heavy, you might be down to 20MPH. Same goes for number of computer on the information highway.
A good detailed Bandwidth Calculator can be found at: http://web.forret.com/tools/bandwidth.asp?speed=14&unit=Mbps
After looking at the preview of the post, I already know what I should expect as a question about bandwidth/throughput via USB mode.
Question: If you show the MAX USB Throughput to be 15.6MB/Sec, then why can I transfer files to and from phone and other USB Devices at 22+MB/Sec?
Answer: USB VS Ethernet. The USB Is actually being converted to an Ethernet connection for the purpose of Network Data and not File Data.
-Cybie
PS. It's late and I'm tired. So, if something is not clear, or it appears I goofed up something bad here, please do not hesitate to ask questions. I would like this to be as clear as possible as to why I answered other posts the way I did. And to do it here in a General thread in order to not go off-topic in a Developer Thread.
Speed Test Screen Shots Showing Differences
Ok, so photos/screen shots always provide a better line of proof and explanation. Because I tend to get much higher speeds than most, I wanted to show the difference in the speeds between Phone, USB Tether, and WiFi Tether when you MAX Speeds reach above 40Mbps.
PHOTO 1: This is a screen shot from my phone last night after downloading the screen shot app.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
PHOTO 2: This is a screen shot this morning on my computer VIA USB Tether (USB 2.0 480Mbps Link)
PHOTO 3: This is a screen shot this morning on my computer VIA WiFi Tether (Using Garden Tether with 54Mbps Link)
All these speed test results are from the same server (Tacoma, WA) in order to provide the maximum accuracy of changes.
-Cybie
Wow I wish I was getting 40+ over LTE!! Mid-20's is the best I get!
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Wow I wish I was getting 40+ over LTE!! Mid-20's is the best I get!
Sent from my Gingervolt-ed VS910 4G using xda premium
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These are crazy speeds. In fact, that's why I have no issue paying the extra $30 for the HotSpot service. $30+$30 = $60 for 40+Mbps Speeds, and the uploads speeds are crazy ridiculous also. Comcast at 20-22Mbps Down and about 3-5Mbps Up runs about $65/month. So, basically, I'm getting double the speeds for same price (actually for $30 since I already have to pay for the Data Service on my phone), plus it's available wherever I go. Of course, most areas are still 3g, but I'm happy with 2+Mbps down on the road if I ever need it, On-Demand and Verizon expects to have all 3g areas upgraded to 4g by mid to end of 2013, which isn't very far away.
-Cybie
What best I can get out here is 15-21. Be nice to see that
GINGERVOLTED!
Cybie257 said:
So, for those who have argued that there shouldn't be that much of a difference between Wifi Tethering and USB Tethering, learn about overhead, bandwidth, througputs, and the OSI model.
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hehe...This is the pinnacle of polite snarkiness; especially commendable considering you were tired.
Seriously though, great post; I've emailed this to several people who needed this explanation.
On a related (though tangential) note, what do you guys think about creating a "map" of 4G speeds/availability by zip code/city? We could use Latitude or some other tool to create an actual graphical depiction as well. We'd start off small within the Revo boards and if it catches on, branch out to the rest of xda to get more data.
Is this something that would be at all useful, or--if nothing else--at least cool information to have/look at? Or is this my nerdy love of analyzing/comparing statistical data causing me to come up with nonsensical, useless ideas?
Thoughts?
jamRwoo said:
hehe...This is the pinnacle of polite snarkiness; especially commendable considering you were tired.
Seriously though, great post; I've emailed this to several people whom needed this explained to them.
On a related (though tangential) note, what do you guys think about creating a "map" of 4G speeds/availability by zip code/city? We could use Latitude or some other tool to create an actual graphical depiction as well. We'd start off small within the Revo boards and if it catches on, branch out to the rest of xda to get more data.
Is this something that would be at all useful, or--if nothing else--at least cool information to have/look at? Or is this my nerdy love of analyzing/comparing statistical data causing me to come up with nonsensical, useless ideas?
Thoughts?
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I like the idea, I travel some and its nice to know what to expect as far as network speeds. I'll participate.
ufkal said:
I like the idea, I travel some and its nice to know what to expect as far as network speeds. I'll participate.
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I don't suppose you know of a website that would accomodate what we're trying to do?
jamRwoo said:
I don't suppose you know of a website that would accomodate what we're trying to do?
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Off the top of my head, No. But I'll start at speedtest.net, and maybe DSLReports. See what we can find from there?
ufkal said:
Off the top of my head, No. But I'll start at speedtest.net, and maybe DSLReports. See what we can find from there?
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I meant as far as a means of allowing public contribution, geotagging the data, and displaying it on a map. I've spent the last 30 minutes looking and I can't find ****.
jamRwoo said:
I meant as far as a means of allowing public contribution, geotagging the data, and displaying it on a map. I've spent the last 30 minutes looking and I can't find ****.
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Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
ufkal said:
Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
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That's what I thought, but as far as I can tell, Latitude doesn't support the kind of public contribution and data/location storage we're looking for. Basically we need geocaching, but without the stupid treasure hunting part.
jamRwoo said:
That's what I thought, but as far as I can tell, Latitude doesn't support the kind of public contribution and data/location storage we're looking for. Basically we need geocaching, but without the stupid treasure hunting part.
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Although maybe finding decent consistent 4G is the treasure? "Stand on X to get insane Speeds "
ufkal said:
Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
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You have any luck?
If you're interested, I'll be on IRC most of the day...You should jump on so we can discuss this potential project.
jamRwoo said:
You have any luck?
If you're interested, I'll be on IRC most of the day...You should jump on so we can discuss this potential project.
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I haven't had much luck, I was out most of the day yesterday at the ER with my boy. I'll try to get onto IRC after I talk to a couple of clients this morning.
ufkal said:
I haven't had much luck, I was out most of the day yesterday at the ER with my boy. I'll try to get onto IRC after I talk to a couple of clients this morning.
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Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope your son is alright now.
jamRwoo said:
Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope your son is alright now.
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Thanks, he's okish. He caught a nasty bug that emptied him from both ends for several hours. He's starting to feel better, and at least keep stuff in.
N tether?
Cybie257 said:
If you Are using the root tether apps, you are connecting at 54Mbps.
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Hiya
speaking about speeds. If I know that both my phone and my laptop is N capable, is there any way to create an N wifi link between them?
I'm not much interested about the external 3g net coverages or speeds but to pump up the lan transfer speed between my phones internal memory and my pc.
there's a nice app for example called Wifi File Explorer. Usually I get between 993-1100 KB/sec upload speed to the internal directories.
I hit roughly the same boundaries if I try to stream some videos via the web interface of the VLC media player targeting my tablet
Reading through your post these seem to be quite normal speeds for 54mbps if I understand it right, but can anything be done to improve this still?
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Hiya
speaking about speeds. If I know that both my phone and my laptop is N capable, is there any way to create an N wifi link between them?
I'm not much interested about the external 3g net coverages or speeds but to pump up the lan transfer speed between my phones internal memory and my pc.
there's a nice app for example called Wifi File Explorer. Usually I get between 993-1100 KB/sec upload speed to the internal directories.
I hit roughly the same boundaries if I try to stream some videos via the web interface of the VLC media player targeting my tablet
Reading through your post these seem to be quite normal speeds for 54mbps if I understand it right, but can anything be done to improve this still?
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Yes. During the posting of this thread, I didn't know about the WiFi Tether Beta project found at this link:
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
Not only can you get an "N" connection (Though actual speed is dependent on certain factors, but you can also get Infrastructure (Non Ad Hoc) mode to work with it, depending on your phone model. If you have an LG Revolution, use the Optimus S phone in the selection menu and you can get your phone to be a standard Access Point.
Note, though, that it is a known issue among phones, which research I just completed a bit ago, the that app can cause your phone to randomly reboot, but usually you can get a solid 20-30 minutes out of it before that happens. If nothing else, use it for 15 mins, shut it down, restart it, and go.
Other than that particular app, I've yet to come across one that goes above G speeds of 54Mbps.
At least for the market apps. If you have Verizon phone with the 4gHotSpot app, non-rooted phone, and pay for the HotSpot plan, that will also do N speeds via Wifi Tethering.
-Cybie
well, thank you for your reply, I'll do my homework on the beta thingie then. Every once a while I did some research about the subject, but always came out empty handed. Hope it works; Thumbs up
*** unfortunately testing will be postponed for a while as I just realised that though both receiving devices are Ns and rooted but the hosting device is an S-ON Htc chacha, and though I read about the firmware downgrade root possibility half of the screen is black because of a fall..
And in the upcoming weeks its just not an option for me to have it be taken to a repair..
But when it happens, I'd happily post my findings about it!
I was just watching the Google IO Keynote live stream (I know, everyone's ideal way to spend a nice afternoon), and I saw this company that was getting featured by Android called Ekata Systems who launched their app Tapestry at the show. It seems to be a synchronized slideshow between JB devices with some snazzy twists that I've never seen any app do. It works best when you're trying it with a friend/family member so there are at least two devices (phone and/or tablet) to highlight the features though. You can check out the interview here, and the app here.
Talk about bleeding edge...only available on Jelly Bean. It uses this new feature called WiFi Direct that creates a local P2P network between 1:N clients. I'm playing with it with my co-workers and it is pretty sweet.
Interesting! I can see how it would be good for other things, like presentations for businesses and in learning environments.
Funny you mention that because that was exactly the first thing I thought about, which is showing a corporate presentation, or teachers using it to share learning material with students. I'm sure with some tweaks it can easily be made to address those use cases.
Couldn't wait to try this out, seems like an excellent idea for showing photos on my phone without transferring (I have been experimenting with file explorers and ftp/smb serviers)
Ideal opportunity came this evening when my (stock) Nexus S received an OTA update to JB.
Unfortunately, although Tapestry installed, I couldn't get past the white screen with logo on. hmrph.
Side note: Nexus S upgraded to JB but existing ICS flash/bbc iplayer etc still works.
xenon1024 said:
Couldn't wait to try this out, seems like an excellent idea for showing photos on my phone without transferring (I have been experimenting with file explorers and ftp/smb serviers)
Ideal opportunity came this evening when my (stock) Nexus S received an OTA update to JB.
Unfortunately, although Tapestry installed, I couldn't get past the white screen with logo on. hmrph.
Side note: Nexus S upgraded to JB but existing ICS flash/bbc iplayer etc still works.
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Does Nexus S w/ JB support WiFi Direct?
After investigation, no
I hadn't realised Wi-Fi direct was a hardware requirement, as opposed to a software thingy. The app page is not clear on that, and dev's website is non-existent as far as I can see.
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xenon1024 said:
After investigation, no
I hadn't realised Wi-Fi direct was a hardware requirement, as opposed to a software thingy. The app page is not clear on that, and dev's website is non-existent as far as I can see.
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I dug around a little bit, and I think the WiFi chip in Nexus S *can* support WiFi Direct, but the firmware/drivers have not yet included support for it. AFAIK WiFi Direct support is mostly a driver/firmware update. Sorry buddy. Another hook for the man to extract more $$$ from us to upgrade to new devices.
Yeah it seems that way. I've been checking out the xda Nexus S forums too.
Can't really afford to upgrade phone after forking out for N7. I was hoping they would complement each other very well, which is why I didn't buy galaxy nexus. They do work very well together as nifty phone and muscly tablet, both with JB.
It does. I have one. Root and ROM it. I will try this right now. I'll report back. I'll try with my SGSII as well as it does have it.
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So I was watching All About Android podcast on TWiT.tv, and guess who they were featuring on this week's episode?!
to ba fair WiFi Direct was already available since ICS but not used it.... until now:
if you want to connect from android device to android device for transmitting media, check this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.budius.WiFiShoot
different from tapstry (that is a presentation app) WiFi Shoot is a direct share app, and works with ICS.
this was developed by yours truly, and I developed it exactly because I noticed there was nothing out there for WiFi Direct
I tested it between Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, Asus TF300 and Galaxy SII (stock ICS) and all worked fine.
The most problematic of those were the Galaxy Nexus that not always want to connect, but between N7-GalaxySII was flawless.
At the moment the app just works for photo and video but I'll be expanding more, if you guys fancy helping spreading the word about it, I'm really looking forward to see the downloads explode on it.
Budius said:
to ba fair WiFi Direct was already available since ICS but not used it.... until now:
if you want to connect from android device to android device for transmitting media, check this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.budius.WiFiShoot
different from tapstry (that is a presentation app) WiFi Shoot is a direct share app, and works with ICS.
this was developed by yours truly, and I developed it exactly because I noticed there was nothing out there for WiFi Direct
I tested it between Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, Asus TF300 and Galaxy SII (stock ICS) and all worked fine.
The most problematic of those were the Galaxy Nexus that not always want to connect, but between N7-GalaxySII was flawless.
At the moment the app just works for photo and video but I'll be expanding more, if you guys fancy helping spreading the word about it, I'm really looking forward to see the downloads explode on it.
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You are awesome! I was really upset that I couldn't use WiFi direct to transfer stuff between my N7 and my evo lte, even though they would connect together. I just downloaded your app and can't wait to see the progress you make as it gets updated!
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deltawye said:
You are awesome! I was really upset that I couldn't use WiFi direct to transfer stuff between my N7 and my evo lte, even though they would connect together. I just downloaded your app and can't wait to see the progress you make as it gets updated!
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Thanks.
I'm really looking forward to have it iron out the bugs and have more than 500.000 downloads... hehehe =]
Looks cool. I'll give it a shot with the N7 and the Evo 3D and let you know.
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If anyone is interested in benchmarks, I just gave a try here using a standard TV episode file (170mb).
From network drive (samba) to Galaxy Nexus via AntTek Explorer: 3m:17s (slow, uh?)
From netword drive to my Winwdos PC: 45seconds (better)
From the Galaxy Nexus to a Galaxy SII: 16 seconds (WOW... FAST)
if anyone fancy doing the same kind of test and sharing the result, just to compare and say that I'm not lying because I'm the developer, it would be pretty cool.
WiFi Shoot not working between 2 N7 devices
I will be writing a WiFi Direct app in the near future so I am trying to understand the technologyby using the WiFi Shoot and the WiFi Direct Demo applications but I'm seeing the following behavior.
If I have no WiFi connections to an WiFi Access Point both applications will perform as expected.
If I have an active connection to a WiFi Access Point both applications will bet to the point where an "Invitation to connect" is issued from one device to the other but once "Accept" is selected the status on both devices stays "Available" and no connection is ever made.
I thought WiFi Direct on the Nexus 7 was supposed to work when connected via an Access Point to the outside world...
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I'm trying to use WiFi Shoot between 2 Nexus 7 devices while connection to the internet via an Access point but it does work. I get the application started on both devices an I see the devices listed on the connect screen. I select a device on one screen and I see the "Invitation to connect" on the other screen but after I select "Accept" nothing happens. Both devices status stays available and no connection is formed. If I turn the connection off to the access point the application works.
Any ideas?
Hi guys,
is anyone with interested in beta test the app?
I started a new thread in the development section asking for Logcats if you're experiencing force close.
Also it's a cut down version of the .apk there to test part of the system.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30012554
any help will be great appreciated.
thanks.
i just got an auto-update request a few days ago for Tapestry, and apparently the app now claims support back to Gingerbread (I doubt using WiFi Direct). Now people who are not as fortunate as us to have Jelly Bean devices, ie the rest of my entire family, they are in luck. This app will come in handy for the upcoming holiday season. Not looking forward to seeing the in-laws though (don't worry my wife doesn't read the boards =)