I'm starting a thread about this subject here because it isn't appropriate to continue a separate discussion where it all began.
There is a misunderstanding about Network/Data/Tethering Speeds and I would like to explain it the best I can.
If you Are using the root tether apps, you are connecting at 54Mbps.
- 54Mbps at 40% capacity is around 21.6Mbps
- 21.6Mbps is approximately 2.7 MB (MegaBytes) per second
- 21.6Mbps is also the MAX throughput you should expect
- With overhead and other factors, generally you will get approx 65-70% of that throughput that is usable data (OSI Model Overhead)
- 65% of 21.6Mbps = 1.755 MB/Sec Actual Speed Downloading a File, or 14Mbps
Why, then, would I get readings as high as 20-22Mbps via Speedtest Sites? Because that is RAW data (Little Overhead - OSI Model) and providing you with MAXimum Throughput readings on a 54Mbps Maximum Bandwidth Link.
Bandwidth and Throughput are Totally different, though mistakenly thought of as the same.
If your connecting via the USB Tether option, you are connecting at 480Mbps (USB 2.0 Standard), but you may notice via Windows 7, that the LinkSpeed is reading 412Gbps, which is obviously wrong, so going with 480Mbps for this explanation.
- 480Mbps at 40% capacity is around 192Mbps
- 192Mbps is approximately 24 MB (MegaBytes) per second
- 192Mbps is also the MAX throughput you should expect
- With overhead and other factors, generally you will get approx 65-70% of that throughput that is usable data (OSI Model Overhead)
- 65% of 192Mbps = 15.6 MB/Sec Actual Speed Downloading a File, or 124.8Mbps
If your network speed is at 21.6Mbps or less (SpeedTest directly on the phone), you wouldn't necessarily see any significant speed differences between the phone/USB Tether/WiFi Tether Methods.
If your phone, such as mine, is getting Speeds as fast as 40.5Mbps Down, then yes, you would have quite a difference between USB Tether and Wifi Tether speeds on your computer.
40.5Mbps = 5.06 MB/Sec File Transfer Rate. Because the capacity of the USB Tethering is way beyond the Max Network Rate (Phone), there is theoretically no Loss in speed. 124.8Mbps - 40.5Mbps = 84.3Mbps. There is over 84.3Mbps of spare throughput available.
So, for those who have argued that there shouldn't be that much of a difference between Wifi Tethering and USB Tethering, learn about overhead, bandwidth, througputs, and the OSI model. It's factual information and will allow you to understand more about the difference in speeds on any network. Using the methods of calculation above, you will always be able to know what to expect when transferring a file to and from the internet, or even another computer. Just keep note of the MAX output numbers. There will always be something that gets in the way. The Max Speed on the Freeway might be 65MPH, but when traffic is very heavy, you might be down to 20MPH. Same goes for number of computer on the information highway.
A good detailed Bandwidth Calculator can be found at: http://web.forret.com/tools/bandwidth.asp?speed=14&unit=Mbps
After looking at the preview of the post, I already know what I should expect as a question about bandwidth/throughput via USB mode.
Question: If you show the MAX USB Throughput to be 15.6MB/Sec, then why can I transfer files to and from phone and other USB Devices at 22+MB/Sec?
Answer: USB VS Ethernet. The USB Is actually being converted to an Ethernet connection for the purpose of Network Data and not File Data.
-Cybie
PS. It's late and I'm tired. So, if something is not clear, or it appears I goofed up something bad here, please do not hesitate to ask questions. I would like this to be as clear as possible as to why I answered other posts the way I did. And to do it here in a General thread in order to not go off-topic in a Developer Thread.
Speed Test Screen Shots Showing Differences
Ok, so photos/screen shots always provide a better line of proof and explanation. Because I tend to get much higher speeds than most, I wanted to show the difference in the speeds between Phone, USB Tether, and WiFi Tether when you MAX Speeds reach above 40Mbps.
PHOTO 1: This is a screen shot from my phone last night after downloading the screen shot app.
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PHOTO 2: This is a screen shot this morning on my computer VIA USB Tether (USB 2.0 480Mbps Link)
PHOTO 3: This is a screen shot this morning on my computer VIA WiFi Tether (Using Garden Tether with 54Mbps Link)
All these speed test results are from the same server (Tacoma, WA) in order to provide the maximum accuracy of changes.
-Cybie
Wow I wish I was getting 40+ over LTE!! Mid-20's is the best I get!
Sent from my Gingervolt-ed VS910 4G using xda premium
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Wow I wish I was getting 40+ over LTE!! Mid-20's is the best I get!
Sent from my Gingervolt-ed VS910 4G using xda premium
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These are crazy speeds. In fact, that's why I have no issue paying the extra $30 for the HotSpot service. $30+$30 = $60 for 40+Mbps Speeds, and the uploads speeds are crazy ridiculous also. Comcast at 20-22Mbps Down and about 3-5Mbps Up runs about $65/month. So, basically, I'm getting double the speeds for same price (actually for $30 since I already have to pay for the Data Service on my phone), plus it's available wherever I go. Of course, most areas are still 3g, but I'm happy with 2+Mbps down on the road if I ever need it, On-Demand and Verizon expects to have all 3g areas upgraded to 4g by mid to end of 2013, which isn't very far away.
-Cybie
What best I can get out here is 15-21. Be nice to see that
GINGERVOLTED!
Cybie257 said:
So, for those who have argued that there shouldn't be that much of a difference between Wifi Tethering and USB Tethering, learn about overhead, bandwidth, througputs, and the OSI model.
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hehe...This is the pinnacle of polite snarkiness; especially commendable considering you were tired.
Seriously though, great post; I've emailed this to several people who needed this explanation.
On a related (though tangential) note, what do you guys think about creating a "map" of 4G speeds/availability by zip code/city? We could use Latitude or some other tool to create an actual graphical depiction as well. We'd start off small within the Revo boards and if it catches on, branch out to the rest of xda to get more data.
Is this something that would be at all useful, or--if nothing else--at least cool information to have/look at? Or is this my nerdy love of analyzing/comparing statistical data causing me to come up with nonsensical, useless ideas?
Thoughts?
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hehe...This is the pinnacle of polite snarkiness; especially commendable considering you were tired.
Seriously though, great post; I've emailed this to several people whom needed this explained to them.
On a related (though tangential) note, what do you guys think about creating a "map" of 4G speeds/availability by zip code/city? We could use Latitude or some other tool to create an actual graphical depiction as well. We'd start off small within the Revo boards and if it catches on, branch out to the rest of xda to get more data.
Is this something that would be at all useful, or--if nothing else--at least cool information to have/look at? Or is this my nerdy love of analyzing/comparing statistical data causing me to come up with nonsensical, useless ideas?
Thoughts?
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I like the idea, I travel some and its nice to know what to expect as far as network speeds. I'll participate.
ufkal said:
I like the idea, I travel some and its nice to know what to expect as far as network speeds. I'll participate.
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I don't suppose you know of a website that would accomodate what we're trying to do?
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I don't suppose you know of a website that would accomodate what we're trying to do?
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Off the top of my head, No. But I'll start at speedtest.net, and maybe DSLReports. See what we can find from there?
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Off the top of my head, No. But I'll start at speedtest.net, and maybe DSLReports. See what we can find from there?
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I meant as far as a means of allowing public contribution, geotagging the data, and displaying it on a map. I've spent the last 30 minutes looking and I can't find ****.
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I meant as far as a means of allowing public contribution, geotagging the data, and displaying it on a map. I've spent the last 30 minutes looking and I can't find ****.
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Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
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Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
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That's what I thought, but as far as I can tell, Latitude doesn't support the kind of public contribution and data/location storage we're looking for. Basically we need geocaching, but without the stupid treasure hunting part.
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That's what I thought, but as far as I can tell, Latitude doesn't support the kind of public contribution and data/location storage we're looking for. Basically we need geocaching, but without the stupid treasure hunting part.
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Although maybe finding decent consistent 4G is the treasure? "Stand on X to get insane Speeds "
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Ahhh, now I'm stepping in what you're dropping. LOL. No I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm sure there is something out there. I'm looking as well. Probably something Google related I'm sure.
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You have any luck?
If you're interested, I'll be on IRC most of the day...You should jump on so we can discuss this potential project.
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You have any luck?
If you're interested, I'll be on IRC most of the day...You should jump on so we can discuss this potential project.
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I haven't had much luck, I was out most of the day yesterday at the ER with my boy. I'll try to get onto IRC after I talk to a couple of clients this morning.
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I haven't had much luck, I was out most of the day yesterday at the ER with my boy. I'll try to get onto IRC after I talk to a couple of clients this morning.
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Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope your son is alright now.
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Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope your son is alright now.
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Thanks, he's okish. He caught a nasty bug that emptied him from both ends for several hours. He's starting to feel better, and at least keep stuff in.
N tether?
Cybie257 said:
If you Are using the root tether apps, you are connecting at 54Mbps.
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Hiya
speaking about speeds. If I know that both my phone and my laptop is N capable, is there any way to create an N wifi link between them?
I'm not much interested about the external 3g net coverages or speeds but to pump up the lan transfer speed between my phones internal memory and my pc.
there's a nice app for example called Wifi File Explorer. Usually I get between 993-1100 KB/sec upload speed to the internal directories.
I hit roughly the same boundaries if I try to stream some videos via the web interface of the VLC media player targeting my tablet
Reading through your post these seem to be quite normal speeds for 54mbps if I understand it right, but can anything be done to improve this still?
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Hiya
speaking about speeds. If I know that both my phone and my laptop is N capable, is there any way to create an N wifi link between them?
I'm not much interested about the external 3g net coverages or speeds but to pump up the lan transfer speed between my phones internal memory and my pc.
there's a nice app for example called Wifi File Explorer. Usually I get between 993-1100 KB/sec upload speed to the internal directories.
I hit roughly the same boundaries if I try to stream some videos via the web interface of the VLC media player targeting my tablet
Reading through your post these seem to be quite normal speeds for 54mbps if I understand it right, but can anything be done to improve this still?
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Yes. During the posting of this thread, I didn't know about the WiFi Tether Beta project found at this link:
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
Not only can you get an "N" connection (Though actual speed is dependent on certain factors, but you can also get Infrastructure (Non Ad Hoc) mode to work with it, depending on your phone model. If you have an LG Revolution, use the Optimus S phone in the selection menu and you can get your phone to be a standard Access Point.
Note, though, that it is a known issue among phones, which research I just completed a bit ago, the that app can cause your phone to randomly reboot, but usually you can get a solid 20-30 minutes out of it before that happens. If nothing else, use it for 15 mins, shut it down, restart it, and go.
Other than that particular app, I've yet to come across one that goes above G speeds of 54Mbps.
At least for the market apps. If you have Verizon phone with the 4gHotSpot app, non-rooted phone, and pay for the HotSpot plan, that will also do N speeds via Wifi Tethering.
-Cybie
well, thank you for your reply, I'll do my homework on the beta thingie then. Every once a while I did some research about the subject, but always came out empty handed. Hope it works; Thumbs up
*** unfortunately testing will be postponed for a while as I just realised that though both receiving devices are Ns and rooted but the hosting device is an S-ON Htc chacha, and though I read about the firmware downgrade root possibility half of the screen is black because of a fall..
And in the upcoming weeks its just not an option for me to have it be taken to a repair..
But when it happens, I'd happily post my findings about it!
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As most of you know I have discussed using media net instead of pda personal, and even taught numerous people how to get away with it even tethering with media net.
Well im sorry I am the one to tell you all. There are some new facts AT&T fails to tell everybody as of 10-26-08.
1. AT&T has intergrated a provisioning for media net users. Here are the details
* EVERYONE that has the media net feature on there account will be watched
what this means for kaiser/tilt users?
If you are using 15$ media net instead of the required 30$ pda personal WATCH OUT!!! once you use (and it does not matter the phone) 2.5gb a month a flag goes up. A specific department will now watch data transfers for 3 months after the flag goes up. If you use more than 5gb in a month, Well you are pretty much FUC*ED. If this happens 1 of 2 things can happen
1. MASSIVE amounts of overage charges.
2. Your contract can be canceled and you will be liable for any early termination fee. This is because as you have certain rights with ATT they also have certain rights.
Oh yea, one more thing. For those of you actually thinking about going legit and adding the 60.00 pda personal with tethering feature... BEWARE it is no longer unlimited, it has a max use of 5gb a month and .49 cents per mb over.
So I hope i have helped or at least made you AWARE, so watch your data use if the above applies to you.
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Thanks for the info. Luckily for me I have no way to reach that bandwidth on the west side of Michigan, no 3G. at&t trying to charge for slow internet... not fair
Good looking out!
I've been flying right and paying the $30 plan, but it's good for others to know as AT&T charges can get out of hand quickly.
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Good looking out!
I've been flying right and paying the $30 plan, but it's good for others to know as AT&T charges can get out of hand quickly.
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I learned that the hardway....... with a $1000+ phone bill
Heh. I have been paying 49.99 for my plan for the last few yrs........ Let them try to charge me for going over 5gb ...................
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I learned that the hardway....... with a $1000+ phone bill
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I had tried to do the $15 media net, but even though it said I had successfully added it, it was still charging me pay-per-use. I didn't have an IMEI of a regular phone, so when I called to get the $300+ charges removed I had to sign up for the $30 plan
Thank you for the heads up on this.
I've been using the PDA Personal Unlimited w/ 1000 SMS since I got my Tilt. Since I only use tethering for recreational surfing, I think the most data I've ever used, according to my bill, is like 1.5GB/mo.
Good, this really pissed me off when they finally decided to do this. The 30.00 makes sense if your always in a 3g area, but you are always using edge its utter and complete bullsh*t.
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Good, this really pissed me off when they finally decided to do this. The 30.00 makes sense if your always in a 3g area, but you are always using edge its utter and complete bullsh*t.
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What he said.
curious - do you have official att language we can read regarding this? not that i dont believe you just like to see it for myself
how'd you hear about it?
Because he works hand in hand with att..
I thought everyone knew that.
I really can't see myself going over 2.5GB just yet. What are you guys dowloading???
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curious - do you have official att language we can read regarding this? not that i dont believe you just like to see it for myself
how'd you hear about it?
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Do you really think AT&T would publicly release documentation to the effect that they are going to bust customers that are knowingly using the incorrect features. Do you think im going to risk my huge salary and even bigger private office by releasing AT&T internal documentation.
If you dont believe me, go ahead and tether 10gb with media net and see what happens. Besides you know what feature your supposed to have, what i have taught everyone to do isint exactly legit (but you all knew that anyway) So its not like AT&T is doing anything illegal by checking usage on their network.
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I really can't see myself going over 2.5GB just yet. What are you guys dowloading???
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Porn, lots and lots of Porn.. I mean tons of it.
Damn i think i just incriminated myself.
UMMMM I plead the 5th
well that sucks especially since i've been using media on a ppc for close to 3 years now
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Thank you for the heads up on this.
I've been using the PDA Personal Unlimited w/ 1000 SMS since I got my Tilt. Since I only use tethering for recreational surfing, I think the most data I've ever used, according to my bill, is like 1.5GB/mo.
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same here i've never used more then 2gb's at the most so i think i should still be safe with the medianet 200 plan i have unlimited net and 200 text messages
i wish they didn't have text messaging ranges from 200 then jumps to 1500
I couldn't agree more
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curious - do you have official att language we can read regarding this? not that i dont believe you just like to see it for myself
how'd you hear about it?
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Why ask him to provide something you can read regarding this. Why not just log into your account and read it for yourself. But I can confirm that AT&T has changed something, because I have several AT&T phones (ie Sony Ericcson 580i, and BB Pearl). I once was able to simply change phones by switching sims and not notice anything on the My Account (using manage my account) No however as soon as I switch the sim into a new phone it sees immediately and changes the phone I'm using to the match where the sim card is. It didn't do that before. That's how I know they are reading (provisioning) the phones network usage to match the device it's in.
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I once was able to simply change phones by switching sims and not notice anything on the My Account (using manage my account) No however as soon as I switch the sim into a new phone it sees immediately and changes the phone I'm using to the match where the sim card is. It didn't do that before. That's how I know they are reading (provisioning) the phones network usage to match the device it's in.
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Same here. About two months back I sent my Tilt out for a repairs and I had borrowed a spare phone (LG) from my coworker. Within that time of using her phone, I had logged into my account and noticed that they had updated my device to the temporary phone automatically. And vise versa when I got my Tilt back.
Another reason I decided to keep flying straight.
what happens to those users who legitimately use medianet on the PPC device only (no tethering) and go over the bandwidth flag? I mean, if you think about it, video streaming in a 3G area could definitely hit that mark, especially if you download all install cabs on your phone rather then onto your computer. add to that IM's, remote desktop, google nav, and you can see where bandwidth could go up. and these are all legitimate uses. I'll be pissed if I get hit with something like that for using my phone the right way.
An extremely suburb app. It works great on the Touch Pro! Oh, and its free too.
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Ill have to try it out, because i love WMWifiRouter and i was thinking about buying it. But ill give it a go and post back
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An extremely suburb app. It works great on the Touch Pro! Oh, and its free too.
Source: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8454.html
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AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! HERE IT IS!! I have been looking for this app's link on XDA for a couple hours now...
Here is my problem... I downloaded this software directly to my phone via Opera, installed it, reset, started wifi in communications manager... and the program still won't work. My laptop won't see a signal from the phone as an access point/hot spot... BUT, it will see Winmo WiFiRouter for the past couple months...
Any ideas? I just thought it would be awesome to use a freeware, as opposed to $30; but I can't seem to get it to work
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Awesome. Now I can certainly max out my UNLIMITED (err 5 gig capped) ATT connection.
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Awesome. Now I can certainly max out my UNLIMITED (err 5 gig capped) ATT connection.
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AT&T caps their unlimited plan? Looks like they'll have a less-than-friendly call today...
Try establishing a ad-hoc computer to computer connection. See if it works.
Did someone make it work with mac/osx ?
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Did someone make it work with mac/osx ?
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This is an Ad-hoc connection, Its should work fine with any wireless card....
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AT&T caps their unlimited plan? Looks like they'll have a less-than-friendly call today...
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Yeah, Verizon does the same Alltel hasn't yet lukily, but they will be Verizon very soon once they stop dragging their feet, then we can all be strewed.
Still can't get this app to work... maybe that's why WiFiRouter is $30, and this is free?
Ok so what's this mean, folks? I know how it works, but what I mean by my question is... if I'm on the $30/mo data plan can I use this or will they up me to the $60 or whatever it is? I was told if I tethered my phone (by usb cable) they'd know and contact me, giving me the good news I would be increased to the tethering plan. What about with this program?
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This is an Ad-hoc connection, Its should work fine with any wireless card....
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This is not so simple. I was trying WMWiFiRouter and it didnt work too. I need to turn off pass request to get it work. I dont see here any options, to turn this off.
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Ok so what's this mean, folks? I know how it works, but what I mean by my question is... if I'm on the $30/mo data plan can I use this or will they up me to the $60 or whatever it is? I was told if I tethered my phone (by usb cable) they'd know and contact me, giving me the good news I would be increased to the tethering plan. What about with this program?
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yes what i really wanna know if its SAFE for my laptop to piggy back on my FUZE's data connection cuz i dont wanna get a suprising insane bill in the next month tbh. anyone has an answer??
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yes what i really wanna know if its SAFE for my laptop to piggy back on my FUZE's data connection cuz i dont wanna get a suprising insane bill in the next month tbh. anyone has an answer??
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No, they have no way of knowing what your doing as to tethering. The only thing they may be suspect of is if you are going over 5GB a month or getting very close to it often. Also if they see extremely high data transfers in a few hours they might suspect you are tethering, but they still have no way of knowing and they can't change your plan without your consent/request first. Just keep an eye on your data transfers with something like spb data monitor and be careful with big downloads.
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No, they have no way of knowing what your doing as to tethering. The only thing they may be suspect of is if you are going over 5GB a month or getting very close to it often. Also if they see extremely high data transfers in a few hours they might suspect you are tethering, but they still have no way of knowing and they can't change your plan without your consent/request first. Just keep an eye on your data transfers with something like spb data monitor and be careful with big downloads.
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cheers bro! do you think Windows Live Messenger along with Ventrilo or TeamSpeak use up alot of data? its all i need to know
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No, they have no way of knowing what your doing as to tethering. The only thing they may be suspect of is if you are going over 5GB a month or getting very close to it often. Also if they see extremely high data transfers in a few hours they might suspect you are tethering, but they still have no way of knowing and they can't change your plan without your consent/request first. Just keep an eye on your data transfers with something like spb data monitor and be careful with big downloads.
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Ok, I was just curious. See, I've heard both ways. I've heard people say they tethered and got a friendly call from cingular/at&t saying "hey guess what...naughty naughty, you used your phone wrong buddy" [ok, probably not those exact words!] and told them they had to change their plan. Just worried about that I guess, as anyone can understand.
Has anybody got this working with a PSP? It doesn't seem to find the signal, while my old S620 can.
This wifi program is awesome much quicker opening time and much less setup then WMWifirouter. To bad this program didn't come out months ago before I spent the $30 and bought WMWifirouter LOL
Installation worked fine with my phone (htc jade) and I also have a shortcut to start the programme, but there are no buttons (info, start) at the bottom of the display and thought there is e little arrow that points to the bottom (I think it's an arrow) I'm not able to click on it and furthermore I'm not able to scroll down with finger / stylus.
So very frustrating: I can start the program, setup the name and passwort of the connection but neigher start something nor use any other functionality of it!?
Anyone has the same problem / ideas to solve it?
Bests Tobi
I question the person that said they cant tell if your tethering.
I would suggest they can tell pretty quickly.
And yes they will slap you with a tethering charge if it goes over certain amount.
At&t is getting old with the insane charges. Time to trade up for a cdma2000 version of the fuze i think. I personally will not re-up (buy a new device that is) with at&t until they join the rest of the world w/ data pricing.
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I question the person that said they cant tell if your tethering.
I would suggest they can tell pretty quickly.
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How do you figure? All AT&T knows is that you are using an app on your phone that is transferring a lot of data. Maybe you're just browsing the web on your phone, maybe you're using skype, etc. They can't tell what app is using the data, so they can't tell if it's a tethering app or the opera that ships with the phone.
My 4G hits 20 Mbps constantly. I would hate to tether to my PC and hit my data limit in 20 minutes.
Does anyone know if the LG Revolution can be configured to rate limit the download or upload connections? This way I can make sure that I'm not over using it?
If nobody is doing this I will see if I can program it, my skills are a bit rusty though.
nipslan said:
My 4G hits 20 Mbps constantly. I would hate to tether to my PC and hit my data limit in 20 minutes.
Does anyone know if the LG Revolution can be configured to rate limit the download or upload connections? This way I can make sure that I'm not over using it?
If nobody is doing this I will see if I can program it, my skills are a bit rusty though.
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I'm not sure what you are saying, but just because speedtest shows 20mb/s doesn't mean you are actually doing that while tethered to a computer. The only way is if you are streaming high def movies our downloading heavy files. To keep an eye on data usage you can use the My Verizon app.
For example, I turn on the tether and let a friend and his laptop connect. If he had bittorrent running he could easily max out my usage in less than 1 hour under ideal circumstances.
Currently I don't know of a way to prevent this, trusting my friend may be a mistake. If I had controls on bandwidth and even firewall out some ports/protocols like bittorrent then I wouldn't have to worry at all.
Tell your friend to get his own Internet.... Just sayin... Lol problem solved!
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Bittorrent and a limited data plan don't go together. And yes, your friend could eat up your usage real fast and cause you overage charges.
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Doing this very easily could require Kernel support. Linux obviously supports this ability but is it built into the linux Kernel for Android?
this makes no sense, why would you use a limited data plan and plan on letting people use your phone like this? Wifi tether has a built in log that shows data usage while using tether.
I'm not extremely angry or anything, but I got throttled by AT&T today lol! I don't really use wifi much and I stream music and movies etc from my cloud via Pogo plug, and I'll be honest, I've been so excited about my speeds I've been using my unlimited data plan to it's fullest to say the least.
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I'm not extremely angry or anything, but I got throttled by AT&T today lol! I don't really use wifi much and I stream music and movies etc from my cloud via Pogo plug, and I'll be honest, I've been so excited about my speeds I've been using my unlimited data plan to it's fullest to say the least.
As you can see, my data speed has dropped drastically for the remainder off my billing cycle which is only for a few more days.
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Damn u got owned =\ ... I have att
Btw do u have a screenshot as to how much GBs uve used just before they throttled u?
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stop using so much then lol. honestly, 2gb is plenty for a monthly bases. if youre crushing the network cause youre downloading movies, music, and what not non stop, then youre hurting the network for everyone else.
the iphone is the number one web browser on mobile platforms, and att learned quick that if they didnt do this, then their networks speeds would go way down or even crash... and now that att is competing with verizon (which throttle too for the same reason) and sprint, and soon to be tmobile and maybe even local cell providers like patriot and bell, att needs to stay competitive and make sure their network isnt being hammered by a few people that abuse the network
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stop using so much then lol. honestly, 2gb is plenty for a monthly bases. if youre crushing the network cause youre downloading movies, music, and what not non stop, then youre hurting the network for everyone else.
the iphone is the number one web browser on mobile platforms, and att learned quick that if they didnt do this, then their networks speeds would go way down or even crash... and now that att is competing with verizon (which throttle too for the same reason) and sprint, and soon to be tmobile and maybe even local cell providers like patriot and bell, att needs to stay competitive and make sure their network isnt being hammered by a few people that abuse the network
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2Gigs is the sweet spot for generating revenue. Fact is, they WILL NOT throttle on the tiered plans. Follow the money...
2Gigs in one month is squat and VERY easy to go through w/out streaming music, movies or vids. I do it regularly.
Let us know how much you used man, so we can watch out?
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I will say I was actually trying to use a lot off data. That's why I'm not mad. I don't think this would happen if I go back to normal use. My data heavily increased when I started using my cloud. I promise I'm not doing anything illegal. Even apps that recommend for you to use wifi, I was using my data. it won't show how much I've used so far, but last month I used 8.5GB of data and I had no problems. And that was before LTE. so I think misty people would be fine.
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Here's one week of usage. Mind you, this is with Wifi at home and Mom's house too.
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I will say I was actually trying to use a lot off data. That's why I'm not mad. I don't think this would happen if I go back to normal use. My data heavily increased when I started using my cloud. I promise I'm not doing anything illegal. Even apps that recommend for you to use wifi, I was using my data. it won't show how much I've used so far, but last month I used 8.5GB of data and I had no problems. And that was before LTE. so I think misty people would be fine.
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You can always check your data usage for the billing cycle up to the day before online under my account and current usage.
Or just dial *3282# and it will send you a text with your data usage of that cycle. Its that easy lol.
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Plus I advice people to stop running speed test every 5 mins, you will be surprise how much data it uses specially on an LTE connection.
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I'm not extremely angry or anything, but I got throttled by AT&T today lol! I don't really use wifi much and I stream music and movies etc from my cloud via Pogo plug, and I'll be honest, I've been so excited about my speeds I've been using my unlimited data plan to it's fullest to say the least.
As you can see, my data speed has dropped drastically for the remainder off my billing cycle which is only for a few more days.
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Just use the method I mentioned in another thread. Change the apn to a media net one, and while you'll drop down to hspa, you'll get full speed back!
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Just use the method I mentioned in another thread. Change the apn to a media net one, and while you'll drop down to hspa, you'll get full speed back!
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Cool I'll give that a shot! Thank you!
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Cool I'll give that a shot! Thank you!
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I've had to use it the last couple of days. Damn att.
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I've had to use it the last couple of days. Damn att.
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It worked! Thank you. At least I'm back 3g. What a pain. I'll have to use this for a few more days.
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2Gigs is the sweet spot for generating revenue. Fact is, they WILL NOT throttle on the tiered plans. Follow the money...
2Gigs in one month is squat and VERY easy to go through w/out streaming music, movies or vids. I do it regularly.
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I've never gone over 2GB in my entire term, and I have everything on autoupdate, autosync, everything. I usually average around 1600 MB, and the highest I've hit is 1800MB.
I don't use Google Music, Pandora, or Youtube on mobile network; I usually make sure to be on WiFi for that sort of thing.
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It worked! Thank you. At least I'm back 3g. What a pain. I'll have to use this for a few more days.
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Glad I could help. The thanks buttons are nice too.... .
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Glad I could help. The thanks buttons are nice too.... .
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Done and done
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as the number of lte users goes up, so will the amount of bandwidth used, and thus the top 5% will get higher and higher.
So, everyone use as much as you can.
TeknoJnky said:
as the number of lte users goes up, so will the amount of bandwidth used, and thus the top 5% will get higher and higher.
So, everyone use as much as you can.
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Good point. We should really make it rough for AT&T if they're going to do that to us.
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If you guys don't mind telling, what are the APN settings you guys used when you get throttled?.
TeknoJnky said:
as the number of lte users goes up, so will the amount of bandwidth used, and thus the top 5% will get higher and higher.
So, everyone use as much as you can.
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They just want everyone off the unlimited plan, when they think their better then Verizon (already 11 months behind Verizon's LTE, GG).
Also, I get how there's a certain amount of spectrum that you can really have for HSPA+, but with LTE, you can push MASSIVE amounts of data through the network with no problems.
Oh well... we'll just had to deal with it until the Government grabs the carriers by the ba- nevermind, we'll just have to deal with it.
Hi all!
Can anyone tell me if there is there such as thing like a Plex server but for documents? Where I can view my PDFs, word docs, sheets etc from anywhere?
I want to keep my files locally I don't want to upload anything to the cloud. I would like it to set it up just like plex. I want to be able to organize in a similar way, and to be able to view them on click.
TY!
Not sure if that actually applies to your needs, could be overkill, but how about Next Cloud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextcloud
https://alternativeto.net/software/nextcloud/about/
Most people probably use a provider for it but you could also run it yourself. If you want to try it beforehand, tab.digital offers accounts with 8GB for free:
https://tab.digital/
Even though I'd like to set it up myself in the long run and keep files locally only, just like you said, DIY comes with two nagging disadvantages:
1. You need to keep a server running (with permanent connection to the outside world)
2. You and only you are responsible for setting it up and keeping it up to date.
Hey Sigmund! TY so much for answering
I am going to give this a go. I did see a post on reddit and someone also mentioning NextCloud.
I was hoping for something for like an installer and done but I will give it a go. Well, let me try it first on tab.digital
Big thanks really! Much appreciated
Ken
Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?
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Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?
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Hey!
Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome
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installer
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Well, yes, of course:
https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients
However, this would be just a client and as such you still need a server, either your own or an "official" one like from tabdigital
Speaking of tabdigital, there are other providers with free plans:
https://nextcloud.com/sign-up/
Due to the addictive nature of next cloud, I don't think it matters much for the beginning where you get started (for me, greedy as I am, the 8GB was way too intriguing) - in the end you end up with more
Perhaps something else like OwnCloud could work for you as well but I cannot say much about it (it lost out in my personal shoot out, don't remember exactly why but I think it was something regarding open source).
Here be even more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_synchronization_software
For simple mirroring syncthing might be good enough (for example to keep shadow copies of your files on your router's USB-stick):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncthing
(since you mentioned plex, I guess that wouldn't be good enough for you)
PS: Oh, and let us know how you like it!
Edit: Oi! Forgot one thing - as for "office" like word etc, it can get kinda complicated because often it's only available in paid accounts.
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Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome
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You can get a cloud host like digital ocean / linode /ovh and setup a basic FTP server. (it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB )
Then use something like Fx Explorer or file explorer to download and upload files.
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
They work with far fewer hassles and are much more robust.
As long as you maintain them regularly.
Thank you both for your replies.
Seems the closest I will find is NextCloud: I played around with it for a bit and it seems that it could do the trick in the end
@KenPino Welcome
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it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
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Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
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The problem is data centers are either very easy to maintain or very hard. Suddenly you can have a data center being sold off to big vendor or just shutting down.
Sometimes countries create laws that make running a data center a hassle. And they would rather bailout than maintain.
IMO , if you have data > 20 GB, then local backups are the safest way to go.
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Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
SD cards, USB drives. and few external drives.
The important stuff is backed up on 2+ storage options.
SD cards can be used on phones and PC.
Got 2x 256 GB USB drives which act as storage bridge docs and media.
For 2TB+ external drives, I have a cable but I usually use the USB OTG as a medium of transfer. I would not like my phone's USB slot to be fried.
Most PCs are equipped with office suites but I have LibreOffice portable inside the drive for editing.
Oh, and I have one USB drive which is also a portable Linux drive (Linux mint) so I have an operating system for x86 machines.
Phones & Tabs should have a doc reader/office suite and stuff like that,
Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.
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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
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Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.
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Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.
SigmundDroid said:
Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.
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I have toyed with creating a portable system with Raspberry Pi or an old android phone. But the battery is the issue in both cases.
File servers don't take much space or resources. A raspi should be able to service at the very least 100 concurrent users.
I have an old laptop which I will be tinkering around to see if it works as some sort of backup device.
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Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.
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Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.
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You can get laptop or desktop caddies.
I had a system like this(or worse.), a PATA caddy + power unit.
Man this makes want to hack around right now