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Has anyone else noticed that sometimes activesync just starts randomly? it doesnt show on the main screen but when i hit the x button, i see that activesync is there and activesync is a heavy program and i notice a drop in performance whenever it's running.
Anyone know why this is happening?
Not to be too acerbic, but AS starts all the time, syncs when the wind changes direction and decides to not see or sync with a phone it should know well as it pleases...at least in my experience.
same chore here. wouldn't be as bad if AS didn't slow the system as much.
AS starts randomly as long as you have no Exchange Server specified. At least, that was the case in WM5. Just create an Exchange Server in the AS settings (just use a fake server) and set the sync schedule to manual. You can even delete te fake server you made, in WM5 the schedule was saved and AS would not start randomly anymore. Try it and see if it works.
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AS starts randomly as long as you have no Exchange Server specified. At least, that was the case in WM5. Just create an Exchange Server in the AS settings (just use a fake server) and set the sync schedule to manual. You can even delete te fake server you made, in WM5 the schedule was saved and AS would not start randomly anymore. Try it and see if it works.
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i didnt find any 'exchange server' in the AS settings
Go To Start>Settings>Phone> Time Zone Tab and un-check the auto time/time zone seting box. This will stop the active sync madness. The "fake" server tweak is also a good idea, but the time zone issue is a Kaiser bug.
Is it possible to have multiple microsoft exchange accounts on my Kaiser - Running Dutty's latest rom 04/03/08
also what would happen with the calendars and contacts?
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Is it possible to have multiple microsoft exchange accounts on my Kaiser - Running Dutty's latest rom 04/03/08
also what would happen with the calendars and contacts?
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In my opinion this is not possible since you only have one activesync client.
Would be nice though....
ok heres is the situation, i have 2 exchange accounts, and i can access one via IMAP but then i dont have same sync up as an exchange
can one of the gods write a program for this
Gods any ideas - im sure nothing is out of your capabilities
http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive...lic.pocketpc.activesync/2006-09/msg00251.html
just found the above link, havent tried it yet
made the registry change but cant see any ability to add any further excange accounts!
someone - anyone - GODS do you have an answer to this?
I have tried and tested this solution however havent had the required results!!! I have an exchange server (my own) and my laptop (work) and I am trying to synch so that I have all my calendar appointments on my phone and my own exchange server! When I synch with my work laptop I get all my own calendar onto the laptop but not on the phone!!! any ideas on how to work around this issue????
Basically I want to synch 2 calendars!! Surely there must be an easier way!!!
As far i know its not possible. it works like outlook. Outlook support (until now) only 1 Exchange account (if u use RPC-HTTP you can switch profiles). And on a PDA there is only one client available. And other technical issue is security, like blackberry, there is a remote wipe function (wipe your PDA if your PDA get stolen). And this not possible if you have 2 exchange accounts (in case of 2 different domains example 2 different companies). Policies on the PDA will be forced by the exchange to make this possible.
So to give you a conclusion, until now its not possible. However if somebody find a hack, it could be possible. But microsoft doesnt support it (yet)
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As far i know its not possible. it works like outlook. Outlook support (until now) only 1 Exchange account (if u use RPC-HTTP you can switch profiles). And on a PDA there is only one client available. And other technical issue is security, like blackberry, there is a remote wipe function (wipe your PDA if your PDA get stolen). And this not possible if you have 2 exchange accounts (in case of 2 different domains example 2 different companies). Policies on the PDA will be forced by the exchange to make this possible.
So to give you a conclusion, until now its not possible. However if somebody find a hack, it could be possible. But microsoft doesnt support it (yet)
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cheers sand bunny thought I maybe attempting the impossible!!
Bearing in mind I have two exchange calendars - is there a workaround that may enable me to get my work calendar in my kaiser? Is there an app that allows you to send the calendar file to my phone in a single file format and then enable me to load into the kaiser calendar? Alternatively is there a calendar sharing facility or publish claendars that may enable me to use both calendars in my kaiser??
anybody got any experience of using the following app:-
http://www.odysseyinc.com/subpages/Software/On-Schedule/PocketPC.htm#multiple
seems to state it can do what I am after - have installed it and trying to get the thing to work though it appears pretty complex!!!
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cheers sand bunny thought I maybe attempting the impossible!!
Bearing in mind I have two exchange calendars - is there a workaround that may enable me to get my work calendar in my kaiser? Is there an app that allows you to send the calendar file to my phone in a single file format and then enable me to load into the kaiser calendar? Alternatively is there a calendar sharing facility or publish claendars that may enable me to use both calendars in my kaiser??
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Do you use GPRS or UMTS 2 sync your PDA? Or do you use the computer?
I use UMTS2 - I tried that On Schedule software and it doenst appear to do what I need it to! I have tried the registry change and then synched with the desktop pc as well as the exchange server and that doesnt work!!!
Even sent a .ics of my work calendar for the next week and that didnt work!
Surely it shouldnt be this difficult!!!
i do this. here is what i do.....
I have an exchange server that i use active sync with. this server is at company 1.
i have XpressMail running at company 2 that connects to an exchange server.
I have 2 calendars and 2 email accounts that are always in sync. I also have 2 address books. pretty neat.
at company 2, my desktop PC is always on.
Id runner that is exactly what I want to achieve - how do you do that? is it something that XpressMail has built in as I cant get anything to achieve this with Outlook 2007, exchange 2007 and active sync!
XpressMail is a free feature on all AT&T / Cingular smartphones.
if you do not have AT&T then you cannot use it.
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/email-messaging/xpress-mail-personal-howto.jsp
I also use Facade. since Facade has an xpressmail plugin, i get both calanders and inboxes on my home screen.
rules me out then! back to the drawing board!
has anyone used pocket mirror? http://www.chapura.com/downloads_trials.php
Perhaps this warning is unnecessary for most users here but be careful where you install XpressMail because your employer might have a policy against it.
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rules me out then! back to the drawing board!
has anyone used pocket mirror? http://www.chapura.com/downloads_trials.php
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I just called Chapura and they said this product only works via cradled sync so I didn't bother speaking further.
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made the registry change but cant see any ability to add any further excange accounts!
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I have it.
One exchange server is my company serveur (used by activesync on my laptop)
The second one (maybe it's the trick) is one OTA (mail2web.com)
Working like a charme.
I am synchronizing with my laptop which has Outlook account on a server, my home (stand alone outlook) and mail2web.
rom I have two exchnage servers one mail2web personal and one work exchabge server! I want to synch over the air for my personal exchange account however would be happy to synch via laptop for the work exchange! this is where the problem starts! does your solution resolve that? I only really want the calendar to synch but just cannot find a solution which intergrates with two calendars!
jdsx I would be happy to synch over the pc for my work calendar as I could do this at the end of the day! do you think chapura will cater for this?
Afternoon,
I finally got round to setting up my gmail account on my vario 3 and actually using it to send and receive emails etc but there is a small problem...
I have set it up to heck from mail every five minutes automatically....however, it doesnt seem to work...i think i have narrowed it down to power settings...
I have the backlight to go off after 10 secs and teh "turn off device" after 1 minute.
After that minute, the pulse that checks for mail doent run untill i do something with the phone to wake it out of standbye...
Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
TIA
Matt
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Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
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Not sure I understand fully but if you want it to truely receive push email, then the data connection must be active all the time... and that uses power, lots of it. When you think about it this makes sense because how is the phone going to know when a new email comes in unless it's constantly connected to the internet. I had this setup with my Hotmail account after someone here told me how to do so but reverted back to only checking manually when I wanted it to after I found the battery life fell through the floor. You could make sure other things like bluetooth and wifi are turned off when not being used to maximise a charge but even just having data on all the time makes quite a difference.
from what i understand of push email, it uses a pulse to connect to the net, check for mail and then disconnect again...i have always had my internet connected on my vario and never noticed a increase in battery life when i have spent days without it off (on holiday)
is there not a way to make the 5 minute pulse ignore the screen being turned off?
Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
Without that your just using scheduled pull mail.
The heartbeat/pulse whatever you want to call it does continue to work when the device is in standby if you are using true push mail.
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Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
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Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).
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Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).
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@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.
Seven Push Email
Hey maybe you can try this little app called Seven from seven systems. It provides free true push email to WinMo environments. You can configure many accounts for example from hotmail, yahoo, gmail and others. There is a beta that is completely free of charge. Ive been using it for quite a while now (WinMo and Symbian) and Im very pleassed with its performance. Check it out here http://www.seven.com/ and go to the beta program section to download it.
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@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.
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Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.
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Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.
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That highlights when you have a proper exchange account attached for push emial therefore isnt activated when google and hotmail are set up.
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that 5 minute setting is not called "pushmail". it's calles "i'll ddos my mailserver by asking for mails every 5 minutes"
there are several free pushmail provider arround www.mail2web.com is one of them. they offer a completely free exchange 2003 account with active sync for contacts, tasks, calendar and pushmail
I find that the Windows Live 'As items arrive' option works well, though this seems to be pulling at high frequencies to provide the illusion of Push e-mail. I used to experience temperamental service but now it works flawlessly - as well as friends' blackberry devices. I don't have to keep my phone signed in to Messenger which is often advised to maintain a consistent delivery of e-mails.
I set up the Blackberry Connect service (£5/month) with T-Mobile UK but immediately reverted to using Windows Live (which is free given that you have a data connection) as the BB Connect service acts as a middleman, while Windows Live connects directly (or appears to) to your Hotmail inbox. Messages you read or mark as unread will be viewed as read/unread in your mailbox via a PC, folders can be synched and sent items are synchronised. Perfect for me. The only problem is reduced battery life.
For anyone who tried to use Windows Live 'Push' e-mail and found it to be inconsistent, see here: http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/Connection/forums/t/2134.aspx.
I was always wondering about the battery too.
So I did a power drain test...
Hope this link helps!
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185860
I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
what the hell are you talking about?
You automatically get all emails from the account you registered your g1 with pushed to your device if u did not manually disable it in settings. Via thhe mentioned G(oogle)Mail application!
You can also use the suppiled email app that comes pre installed on the phone. Works with all the major emails except those from an exchange server.
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
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I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
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You do have an exchange account? POP3/web mail can't be pushed
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
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yes they are...
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That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
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The GMail client does not "check" the source email, it uses a proprietary version of IMAP IDLE (push) technology. It is indeed pushed to your phone, when "Sync" is enabled. However, K9 and the stock email app do not provide IMAP IDLE support at this time, so there is no way to set that up. K9 has it on the To-Do list. I don't know about you, but the instant my account that is set up with the Gmail client on the phone gets an email - my phone notifies me, sometimes it is faster then a desktop client. And, I assure you that it is not constantly sending out requests checking in for mail on the server, that would be poor coding on Google's part and waste a lot of their resources.
So, to answer your concerns directly.
The GMail client IS what is referred to as "Push" email.
The K9 and stock Email clients are currently not capable of "Push" email.
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Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
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How about doing some reading before sticking your foot further into your throat.
IMAP IDLE - how it works.
It is very efficient.
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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You're still looking for a clue, almost getting there
In case of push mail your phone does NOT poll for new mails: The mailserver will notify your phone when new mail is available. Yes your phone sends an idle command, but nothing happens after that: The connection is just left open and when there is new mail the server will send it.
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"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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I think you are grasping the concept, but the semantics are lost on you.
It works like this:
1. Client connects to server, does it's initial check-in, and handles new requests.
2. Client sends IDLE command to server, telling the server that it is still active, but not actively sending requests.
3. Client sits IDLE (no more data is transmitted from client to server unless an action takes place on the CLIENT requiring transmission - ie, an email is sent).
4. Server receives a new message.
5. Server sends a packet to the Client (knowing where it is located based on the open - yet IDLE connection).
6. Client responds to the packet and is subsequently transmitted the message.
See how many times I used the word IDLE - get the picture? As long as you know what IDLE means, you will understand how efficient this is. Here is a quote from that page I posted a link to:
Phone. For older phones there could be an issue of increased battery usage due to holding the connection open. This is unlikely to be a problem on a modern phone.
Another practical problem is that current phone networking technology will lose IP network connectivity from time to time, and this will need to be automatically re-established, and the IMAP connection re-established if this is lost due to a long network failure.
In summary, the overall IMAP IDLE architecture has good performance.
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Whoo HOO! Another GIRL on the forum! Go ZEE ZEE! And, she's CUTE, too!
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Proxin - I believe (although I could be wrong) what is going on is that you don't have the Gmail as your primary mail account - the one that everyone sends email to.
I only lately began to use Gmail. So, I have three email addresses that are set to forward to the Gmail account. The time it takes for these email to be forwarded and received by Gmail is the only lag I experience at all.
If you are using Gmail's "fetcher" feature to fetch email from other accounts... I have seen up to 30 minutes before each "fetch." So, it can take awhile. In which case I suggest that you go to any primary accounts that you have and set them to forward your email to your Google account and see if that decreases the delay.
Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
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Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
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Touchdown rocks, and is worth the money.
Even the Exchange support in the upcoming cupcake is lame, as ig works with a lame email client.
Usually I get very great battery life (also very high screen on time thanks to DirtyUnicorns ROM + Kernel) but sometimes my battery is getting eaten away within 3 hours from 100℅ to 20℅. Looking at the screens I attached it looks like K9 Mail is eating so much battery? I have 2x gmail accounts + 2x IMAP (my own mail server) accounts active.
Are there some of my K9 Mail settings wrong or whats going on? Any ideas?
Thanks
Its that "mobile radio active" problem. Its often referred to as a bug.
Well according to google this is a common problem for some time now which hasnt been fixed.
Any other mail app auggestions?
Utini said:
Well according to google this is a common problem for some time now which hasnt been fixed.
Any other mail app auggestions?
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I think you'll find this issue with most apps right now. I use Mine because it's an amazing exchange all, but this happens there too and its pricey for some.
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I think you'll find this issue with most apps right now. I use Mine because it's an amazing exchange all, but this happens there too and its pricey for some.
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Actually I don't need exchange atm so other free appa might fit better for me. Also I never heard of Nine before but I will give it a try if you recommend it !
Too bad the same bug exists with Nine as well :/
Utini said:
Actually I don't need exchange atm so other free appa might fit better for me. Also I never heard of Nine before but I will give it a try if you recommend it !
Too bad the same bug exists with Nine as well :/
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I think it'll exist with any app that syncs. Android bug more than individual app bug.
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I think it'll exist with any app that syncs. Android bug more than individual app bug.
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I see, well then I still wonder if I shouls go with K9 or rather smh else. Nine won't support gmail
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I see, well then I still wonder if I shouls go with K9 or rather smh else. Nine won't support gmail
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No, it's an ex change client only
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No, it's an ex change client only
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And if you would need tonuse gmail/imap...what would you use? ;P
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And if you would need tonuse gmail/imap...what would you use? ;P
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i use the gmail app exclusively. it never ever drains extra battery from any of my devices, and my sync is always on.
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And if you would need tonuse gmail/imap...what would you use? ;P
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I just use inbox.
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I just use inbox.
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i used to, but went back to the gmail app. i think i like it better.
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i used to, but went back to the gmail app. i think i like it better.
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I use inbox on mobile and desktop exclusively.. The gmail app is very good though, I just kind of like how the crap is more easily controlled for me .
this is the wrong thread for K9 discussions.. but I'm going to add to it anyway ?
K9 was my goto email app, still is in a way, but it just does not play nice with lollipop on any device. even using beta builds. if had no choice but to go to the gmail app since it can handle the exchange and ever changing bad decisions of Microsoft's email names and server labels. let alone having to run from website webmail settings.. yeah.. goto the gmail app, and give K9 a break until they get the wake lock issues worked out... other step may be to have tasker do sync toggle somehow..
go track down the beta builds and keep an eye out for changes that may be specific to its lollipop compatibilities.
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i use the gmail app exclusively. it never ever drains extra battery from any of my devices, and my sync is always on.
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Now I remember why I removed gmail...its missing "Mark as read" in the statusbar notification. Annoying as I wake up every day with ~15 Status Mails fromy servers which I usually "Mark as read" with one click (if the mail titles tell me that everything is okay with those servers). And since I use folders/filters/labels for mails I never delete/archive.
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Usually I get very great battery life (also very high screen on time thanks to DirtyUnicorns ROM + Kernel) but sometimes my battery is getting eaten away within 3 hours from 100℅ to 20℅. Looking at the screens I attached it looks like K9 Mail is eating so much battery? I have 2x gmail accounts + 2x IMAP (my own mail server) accounts active.
Are there some of my K9 Mail settings wrong or whats going on? Any ideas?
Thanks
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4 is a lot of accounts. I presume that your custom imap accounts are set up to push? Are your gmail accounts set up to pop3 or imap? If they are pop3, then your phone is going to continually poll the servers for new mail, and this will eat battery like nobody's business.
There is also a question of the correctness of how you have configured your imap servers. I don't know what kind of experience you have in configuring and maintaining imap servers, but there are some rookie mistakes that can be made that can have a severe impact on client battery life. Some of dovecot's default settings are actually quite bad for mobile devices. I'm not particularly familiar with other imap servers, dovecot is my server of choice.
What stands out to me is the "E" in your signal meter. Edge. The slower the network, the longer the radio has to be active in order to transfer the same amount of data. So imagine polling for a minute every 2.5 minutes (2 accounts). That is a lot of radio time and a lot of battery.
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Also not to create an argument here... but k9mail does very well on battery consumption on 5.x. Over this weekend (long weekend here in Canada), didn't use my phone much (construction/reno weekend), but something interesting caught my attention on Sunday afternoon. Having been taken off the charger 6AM SATURDAY morning (so it had been on battery for around 34 hours), it was claiming 4 days power remaining. That is ONE IMAP connection to a dovecot server that I maintain personally, the full time it was connected to an HSPA network (my service provider is exclusively HSPA).
So obviously, when everything is configured correctly, k9mail does NOT eat significant battery.
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4 is a lot of accounts. I presume that your custom imap accounts are set up to push? Are your gmail accounts set up to pop3 or imap? If they are pop3, then your phone is going to continually poll the servers for new mail, and this will eat battery like nobody's business.
There is also a question of the correctness of how you have configured your imap servers. I don't know what kind of experience you have in configuring and maintaining imap servers, but there are some rookie mistakes that can be made that can have a severe impact on client battery life. Some of dovecot's default settings are actually quite bad for mobile devices. I'm not particularly familiar with other imap servers, dovecot is my server of choice.
What stands out to me is the "E" in your signal meter. Edge. The slower the network, the longer the radio has to be active in order to transfer the same amount of data. So imagine polling for a minute every 2.5 minutes (2 accounts). That is a lot of radio time and a lot of battery.
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Also not to create an argument here... but k9mail does very well on battery consumption on 5.x. Over this weekend (long weekend here in Canada), didn't use my phone much (construction/reno weekend), but something interesting caught my attention on Sunday afternoon. Having been taken off the charger 6AM SATURDAY morning (so it had been on battery for around 34 hours), it was claiming 4 days power remaining. That is ONE IMAP connection to a dovecot server that I maintain personally, the full time it was connected to an HSPA network (my service provider is exclusively HSPA).
So obviously, when everything is configured correctly, k9mail does NOT eat significant battery.
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Thank you for your reply !
All my IMAP Accounts are using push (2x gmail + 2x my own server).
Could be that my server isnt configured perfectly. Mind giving me a few tips of what I should look for in my settings?
Yes I believe the battery drain could be because of bad radio signal. Maybe a Tasker script (if signal below 10% disable auto sync, which also disables push in k9) would help?
K9 in general has many settings which I am not sure of how they affect battery drain (e.g. sync forever or only last 31 days?) Which folders should have which priority and how to push/sync them. Would it make sense to make screenshots of my settings to compare them with yours?
Thanks !
Edit: In k9 I have not set all folders to class 2 except the important ones which are class 1 (inbox, sent, folders where new mails get moved from inbox to folder based on rules/labels). Push/sync only active for class 1 folder.
I did this because gmail has A LOT of standard folders and also an "all mails" folders which gets synced out of the box.
I also made a Tasker script which disabled autosync when I am NOT on 3G HSDPA or WIFI (maybe I should add 3G to the list of exclusion together with 3G HSDPA and WIFI?).
Utini said:
Thank you for your reply !
All my IMAP Accounts are using push (2x gmail + 2x my own server).
Could be that my server isnt configured perfectly. Mind giving me a few tips of what I should look for in my settings?
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A quick look over my notes suggests looking into the setting "imap_idle_notify_interval". Dovecot's default is 2 minutes. That means that the imap server will be sending over a battery eater every 2 minutes regardless of whether there is a push notification or not. Between 2 accounts (edit: and multiple paths per account), they could all hit at the same time, or they could hit at different times, so you're looking at server initiated wakeups all over the place. Note that k9mail has a default client initiated wakeup at 24 minute intervals. RFC2177 specifies 29 minutes -- the k9mail default is matched to give a little slack to let the server renew the connection 5 minutes after the expected client-initated wakeup. So set the server to 29 minutes.
Yes I believe the battery drain could be because of bad radio signal. Maybe a Tasker script (if signal below 10% disable auto sync, which also disables push in k9) would help?
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Is that even possible?
K9 in general has many settings which I am not sure of how they affect battery drain (e.g. sync forever or only last 31 days?) Which folders should have which priority and how to push/sync them. Would it make sense to make screenshots of my settings to compare them with yours?
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That setting really shouldn't affect anything, since ancient messages won't be changing much. I.e., there is no "sync" on stuff that remains the same -- it just gets downloaded once and sits there.
Thanks !
Edit: In k9 I have not set all folders to class 2 except the important ones which are class 1 (inbox, sent, folders where new mails get moved from inbox to folder based on rules/labels). Push/sync only active for class 1 folder.
I did this because gmail has A LOT of standard folders and also an "all mails" folders which gets synced out of the box.
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I think I may be only performing push on inbox. IIRC, k9 creates a new idle connection for *each* path. This isn't a flaw in k9mail, but a limitation in IMAP protocol.
More edit: about the client-vs-server initiated wakeups.... if you set the server-side to more than the client side, then the server will not actually send the wakeup at all. Why would it if it knows that the connection has already been refreshed by the client within the timeout? Once the client has control over the idle refresh, k9mail can schedule the refresh messages in batches to send out all at once within the same system alarm/wakelock.
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A quick look over my notes suggests looking into the setting "imap_idle_notify_interval". Dovecot's default is 2 minutes. That means that the imap server will be sending over a battery eater every 2 minutes regardless of whether there is a push notification or not. Between 2 accounts, the two could hit at the same time, or they could hit at different times, so you're looking at a server initiated wakeup EVERY MINUTE. Note that k9mail has a default client initiated wakeup at 24 minute intervals. RFC2177 specifies 29 minutes -- the k9mail default is matched to give a little slack to let the server renew the connection 5 minutes after the expected client-initated wakeup. So set the server to 29 minutes.
Is that even possible?
That setting really shouldn't affect anything, since ancient messages won't be changing much.
I think I may be only performing push on inbox. IIRC, k9 creates a new idle connection for *each* path. This isn't a flaw in k9mail, but a limitation in IMAP protocol.
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Well I could do push only on inbox and sync (every 24hours) on folders like " sent" and other semi-important folders.
I also made a Tasker script which disabled autosync when I am NOT on 3G HSDPA or NOT on WIFI (maybe I should add 3G to the list of exclusion together with 3G HSDPA and WIFI to disable autosync only on 2G?).
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Well I could do push only on inbox and sync (every 24hours) on folders like " sent" and other semi-important folders.
I also made a Tasker script which disabled autosync when I am NOT on 3G HSDPA or NOT on WIFI (maybe I should add 3G to the list of exclusion together with 3G HSDPA and WIFI to disable autosync only on 2G?).
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I've never played with tasker in this space, so... try it and see how it works !