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Push e-mail & Diamond

Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!

turt said:
Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!
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Yes, I do push e-mail everyday (using Edge).
Fully charged Diamond last for 9.5 hrs for normally usage + pushmail.
It is only around 2/3 usage time for my Touch Elf.

Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?

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Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?
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i have around 50-100 emails daily. poor me.
I have Exchange 2007 mailbox for company, it is pushmail and i got as soon as they are arriving on server. Simultaneously, I have another IMAP4 mailbox for my personal, i check it every 10 mins.
Same settings also apply to my previous Touch Elf, which have 1/3 longer running time for a fully charged battery.

OK I see...
I noticed on the HTC website that the specs for standby time are:
- Up to 396 hours for WCDMA
- Up to 285 hours for GSM
EDGE is GSM, so maybe that's the reason why it sucks the battery so much?
These numbers seem strange, that would mean we can expect a better battery life on 3G networks... I hope it's true!

Keep in mind after the first connection Windows mobile 6 doesn't close the connection. Then the battery life down very fast

Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?

Fabio Miyauchi said:
Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?
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Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.

mail2web gmail
Hi
I'm getting gmail pushed through mail2web.
Anyone know how I can get just my inbox and not all the folders and emails ? There's no way to set up a filter for just the inbox --> forward emails.
thanks.

@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?

akito said:
@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?
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Allowing mail2web to aggregate emails would work, but the trouble is, it uses IMAP and of course that mean it pulls emails from Gmail on a timed basis. If mail2web is using IMAP, I may as well set up a direct account on the phone to do just that.
The benefit of forwarding gmail is that mails would arrive almost instantaneously to mail2web and then be pushed to the phone.
Unfortunately in the case of gmail, all email gets forwarded including those that I have filtered out and don't want in my regular inbox, so every few minutes my phone is pinging to let me know I have a new email.

lmr2003 said:
Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.
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I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!

Blob8me said:
I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!
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Is it possible to ad more accounts in Emoze? And is Emoze pushing HTML emails or TXT..?? This moment i use mobipush.com, but they don't support HTML push...

I'm not sure if emoze can support more than one account at a time in the "free" version??? Dont think so but you should check.
As for HTML or Text - Text only for now I think???
Thats a lot of thinking??? Their website give some good detail....

I use 4smartphone.net - for push email.
My battery needs charging every second day - my phone use is 1 hours calls 50 SMS and surffing 30mins inbetween charges.

I use momail.com and they support push email,
ihave never used that before and i dont know how to set it up in diamond,
any one that can guide me in the right direction?

I've tried to use my mail2web push-mail account on my Diamond, and I have to say that I was surprised that it did not decreased that much the battery longevity.
(compared to my wizard and trinity I used to do push-mail on)
This might be because by default, the settings are not high consuming on the Diamond (no wake-up on email reception, no ring, etc.)
since everything is done with the screen light off, I even think that it reduces more the battery charge to put on the light and check what time it is, than to have the push running in the back ground.

While we're on the subject of emoze, does it work (ie still push) while the phone is in standby?

Yep, it sure does.

I used to have my diamond setup for push and barely got through the day with my battery,
now I upgraded to the newest radio rom and set the mail sync to every 15min.
after this I have about 60% power left after one day.
I used to think push is a must, but honestly, 15min syncs are just fine. no mail cant be that important....

Push Email

Afternoon,
I finally got round to setting up my gmail account on my vario 3 and actually using it to send and receive emails etc but there is a small problem...
I have set it up to heck from mail every five minutes automatically....however, it doesnt seem to work...i think i have narrowed it down to power settings...
I have the backlight to go off after 10 secs and teh "turn off device" after 1 minute.
After that minute, the pulse that checks for mail doent run untill i do something with the phone to wake it out of standbye...
Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
TIA
Matt

nevawlkalone said:
Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
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Not sure I understand fully but if you want it to truely receive push email, then the data connection must be active all the time... and that uses power, lots of it. When you think about it this makes sense because how is the phone going to know when a new email comes in unless it's constantly connected to the internet. I had this setup with my Hotmail account after someone here told me how to do so but reverted back to only checking manually when I wanted it to after I found the battery life fell through the floor. You could make sure other things like bluetooth and wifi are turned off when not being used to maximise a charge but even just having data on all the time makes quite a difference.

from what i understand of push email, it uses a pulse to connect to the net, check for mail and then disconnect again...i have always had my internet connected on my vario and never noticed a increase in battery life when i have spent days without it off (on holiday)
is there not a way to make the 5 minute pulse ignore the screen being turned off?

Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
Without that your just using scheduled pull mail.
The heartbeat/pulse whatever you want to call it does continue to work when the device is in standby if you are using true push mail.

kyphur said:
Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
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Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).

Flying Kiwi said:
Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).
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@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.

Seven Push Email
Hey maybe you can try this little app called Seven from seven systems. It provides free true push email to WinMo environments. You can configure many accounts for example from hotmail, yahoo, gmail and others. There is a beta that is completely free of charge. Ive been using it for quite a while now (WinMo and Symbian) and Im very pleassed with its performance. Check it out here http://www.seven.com/ and go to the beta program section to download it.

denco7 said:
@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.
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Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.

Flying Kiwi said:
Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.
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That highlights when you have a proper exchange account attached for push emial therefore isnt activated when google and hotmail are set up.
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that 5 minute setting is not called "pushmail". it's calles "i'll ddos my mailserver by asking for mails every 5 minutes"
there are several free pushmail provider arround www.mail2web.com is one of them. they offer a completely free exchange 2003 account with active sync for contacts, tasks, calendar and pushmail

I find that the Windows Live 'As items arrive' option works well, though this seems to be pulling at high frequencies to provide the illusion of Push e-mail. I used to experience temperamental service but now it works flawlessly - as well as friends' blackberry devices. I don't have to keep my phone signed in to Messenger which is often advised to maintain a consistent delivery of e-mails.
I set up the Blackberry Connect service (£5/month) with T-Mobile UK but immediately reverted to using Windows Live (which is free given that you have a data connection) as the BB Connect service acts as a middleman, while Windows Live connects directly (or appears to) to your Hotmail inbox. Messages you read or mark as unread will be viewed as read/unread in your mailbox via a PC, folders can be synched and sent items are synchronised. Perfect for me. The only problem is reduced battery life.
For anyone who tried to use Windows Live 'Push' e-mail and found it to be inconsistent, see here: http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/Connection/forums/t/2134.aspx.

I was always wondering about the battery too.
So I did a power drain test...
Hope this link helps!
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185860

How to push email

I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance

what the hell are you talking about?
You automatically get all emails from the account you registered your g1 with pushed to your device if u did not manually disable it in settings. Via thhe mentioned G(oogle)Mail application!

You can also use the suppiled email app that comes pre installed on the phone. Works with all the major emails except those from an exchange server.

That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.

Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant

Proxin said:
I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
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You do have an exchange account? POP3/web mail can't be pushed
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
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yes they are...

Proxin said:
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
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The GMail client does not "check" the source email, it uses a proprietary version of IMAP IDLE (push) technology. It is indeed pushed to your phone, when "Sync" is enabled. However, K9 and the stock email app do not provide IMAP IDLE support at this time, so there is no way to set that up. K9 has it on the To-Do list. I don't know about you, but the instant my account that is set up with the Gmail client on the phone gets an email - my phone notifies me, sometimes it is faster then a desktop client. And, I assure you that it is not constantly sending out requests checking in for mail on the server, that would be poor coding on Google's part and waste a lot of their resources.
So, to answer your concerns directly.
The GMail client IS what is referred to as "Push" email.
The K9 and stock Email clients are currently not capable of "Push" email.

bassbox said:
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
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How about doing some reading before sticking your foot further into your throat.
IMAP IDLE - how it works.
It is very efficient.

"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..

bassbox said:
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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You're still looking for a clue, almost getting there
In case of push mail your phone does NOT poll for new mails: The mailserver will notify your phone when new mail is available. Yes your phone sends an idle command, but nothing happens after that: The connection is just left open and when there is new mail the server will send it.

bassbox said:
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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I think you are grasping the concept, but the semantics are lost on you.
It works like this:
1. Client connects to server, does it's initial check-in, and handles new requests.
2. Client sends IDLE command to server, telling the server that it is still active, but not actively sending requests.
3. Client sits IDLE (no more data is transmitted from client to server unless an action takes place on the CLIENT requiring transmission - ie, an email is sent).
4. Server receives a new message.
5. Server sends a packet to the Client (knowing where it is located based on the open - yet IDLE connection).
6. Client responds to the packet and is subsequently transmitted the message.
See how many times I used the word IDLE - get the picture? As long as you know what IDLE means, you will understand how efficient this is. Here is a quote from that page I posted a link to:
Phone. For older phones there could be an issue of increased battery usage due to holding the connection open. This is unlikely to be a problem on a modern phone.
Another practical problem is that current phone networking technology will lose IP network connectivity from time to time, and this will need to be automatically re-established, and the IMAP connection re-established if this is lost due to a long network failure.
In summary, the overall IMAP IDLE architecture has good performance.
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Whoo HOO! Another GIRL on the forum! Go ZEE ZEE! And, she's CUTE, too!
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Proxin - I believe (although I could be wrong) what is going on is that you don't have the Gmail as your primary mail account - the one that everyone sends email to.
I only lately began to use Gmail. So, I have three email addresses that are set to forward to the Gmail account. The time it takes for these email to be forwarded and received by Gmail is the only lag I experience at all.
If you are using Gmail's "fetcher" feature to fetch email from other accounts... I have seen up to 30 minutes before each "fetch." So, it can take awhile. In which case I suggest that you go to any primary accounts that you have and set them to forward your email to your Google account and see if that decreases the delay.

Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.

B-Eazy said:
Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
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Touchdown rocks, and is worth the money.
Even the Exchange support in the upcoming cupcake is lame, as ig works with a lame email client.

[Q] Better mail application for Gmail?

the stock Gmail application is great but it's a real battery drainer since it utilizes push. i'm only 19 really, so i don't need to see my useless mails about facebook updates(and stuff) that immediately.
the stock Email has no threading and the UI is pretty meh so ye.
is there any nice gmail client there that has mail threading, a nice simple UI and an option for interval mail fetching? tried K-9 and Maildroid, no threading on them lol.
if not, Google please get us an option to enable push or simply use fetch.
i'm currently using JuiceDefender to "disable" data transmission when my screen is idle. ideally by that, no "push" mail when my screen is locked.

Why not deactivate the autosync of gmail?
Sent from my GT-I9000

I tot push is supposed to be more battery friendly than fetch?

Seifer1975 said:
I tot push is supposed to be more battery friendly than fetch?
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You have to maintain a data connection at all times no?

Yes, but it still is far less battery demanding than checking for mail periodically.

Case_ said:
Yes, but it still is far less battery demanding than checking for mail periodically.
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In OP's case it's better to turn off data all together.
BTW, how does one turn off HSPDA and enable 3G only on a Bell phone? There's no option in settings/ wireless networks/mobile networks to set this.

hmm I shall try push gmail overnight, currently it's at 10% drain with no syncing of anything, nothing. but with a connection on. thanks guys.

[Q] Energy Efficient Mail Client

I would like to ask for some advice-save trying all and every mail client for my Nexus 6. Point is, my current Type Mail client is imho using too much battery juice - roughly about 40% by the battery stats. Any suggestions, brothers, apart from "check mail every 6 hours and save that battery"?

I use MailWise. It's a very nice email client and I have mine set to check four separate email accounts every minute and my stats show it's used 9% of my battery today.

depends what type of mail. I use "nine" for exchange. It's pricey but the best exchange mail client I have used.

lotus49 said:
I use MailWise. It's a very nice email client and I have mine set to check four separate email accounts every minute and my stats show it's used 9% of my battery today.
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K9 - best I've ever used. Also - try changing your sync time to 15 minutes or more.

I used K-9 on my last phone but the UI is rather old-fashioned and I wanted a change to something nicer looking. So far, I haven't found anything that K-9 does that MailWise doesn't but there are so many email clients to choose from that it's very much a matter of personal taste.
40% battery use is a lot for an email client so I would have thought that almost anything would work better than the OP's current client.

balashandr said:
I would like to ask for some advice-save trying all and every mail client for my Nexus 6. Point is, my current Type Mail client is imho using too much battery juice - roughly about 40% by the battery stats. Any suggestions, brothers, apart from "check mail every 6 hours and save that battery"?
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Well there's your problem right there! Checking mail TAKES BATTERY.
I'm not trying to be funny.
Your problem is that you don't need to CHECK your mail to GET your mail.
Let me explain;
Use K9mail. Nothing else, only that.
Set it up to connect to your email server using ***IMAP*** and not pop3.
K9mail (and not other imap clients) can keep a TCP session open in order to receive new messages from the server when they arrive. Some people call this "push". It uses a feature of IMAP protocol called IDLE.

This is what Inbox needs. A sync interval option. I love inbox and I don't like having to turn sync off and checking mail manually. I will be looking for something similar to inbox, maybe with material design, with sync interval.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

It's pricey but the best exchange mail client I have used.

Reporting.
Thank y'all friends!
Now I have a list of your recommendations and I will go through it. But let me briefly report.
Changed sync interval on TypeMail to 30 minutes and got as low as 14% of total consumption.
Deleted TypeMail, installed CloudMail - use it currently with Exchange, iCloud, Hotmail (still remember this one) and Gmail. Currently the share of it is 4%. I do understand the IMAP "got_mail_flag", will check it as well.
Again^ thank you for your advices, XDA has assembled some great minds.