Push Email - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General

Afternoon,
I finally got round to setting up my gmail account on my vario 3 and actually using it to send and receive emails etc but there is a small problem...
I have set it up to heck from mail every five minutes automatically....however, it doesnt seem to work...i think i have narrowed it down to power settings...
I have the backlight to go off after 10 secs and teh "turn off device" after 1 minute.
After that minute, the pulse that checks for mail doent run untill i do something with the phone to wake it out of standbye...
Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
TIA
Matt

nevawlkalone said:
Is there a fix available for this other than modify my power settings (which i would prefer not to do)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure I understand fully but if you want it to truely receive push email, then the data connection must be active all the time... and that uses power, lots of it. When you think about it this makes sense because how is the phone going to know when a new email comes in unless it's constantly connected to the internet. I had this setup with my Hotmail account after someone here told me how to do so but reverted back to only checking manually when I wanted it to after I found the battery life fell through the floor. You could make sure other things like bluetooth and wifi are turned off when not being used to maximise a charge but even just having data on all the time makes quite a difference.

from what i understand of push email, it uses a pulse to connect to the net, check for mail and then disconnect again...i have always had my internet connected on my vario and never noticed a increase in battery life when i have spent days without it off (on holiday)
is there not a way to make the 5 minute pulse ignore the screen being turned off?

Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
Without that your just using scheduled pull mail.
The heartbeat/pulse whatever you want to call it does continue to work when the device is in standby if you are using true push mail.

kyphur said:
Window Mobile Push Mail requires an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007 flavor) on the other end.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).

Flying Kiwi said:
Do you know if that includes Hotmail? If its set up right, my Hotmail emails will be received pretty much instantaneously. Maybe they use Exchange Servers - I don't know if these can be configured for HTTP mail? Even when I had that configured though I still didn't get the Com Manager Microsoft Direct Push Icon to jump to life (it's always been grey).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.

Seven Push Email
Hey maybe you can try this little app called Seven from seven systems. It provides free true push email to WinMo environments. You can configure many accounts for example from hotmail, yahoo, gmail and others. There is a beta that is completely free of charge. Ive been using it for quite a while now (WinMo and Symbian) and Im very pleassed with its performance. Check it out here http://www.seven.com/ and go to the beta program section to download it.

denco7 said:
@hotmail and @live use M$ Direct push, if you set it up for " as they arrive " emails. They do this however by keeping your phone constantly connected = kill battery. I had to shut my push email off to get a full 8hrs out of my battery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.

Flying Kiwi said:
Thats what I've tried in the past and certainly the emails arrive pretty quickly. I don't know if its genuine Push Email or just polling really often though. It also doesn't explain why the Microsoft Push Email icon in Com Manager never does anything other than sit there greyed out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That highlights when you have a proper exchange account attached for push emial therefore isnt activated when google and hotmail are set up.
M

that 5 minute setting is not called "pushmail". it's calles "i'll ddos my mailserver by asking for mails every 5 minutes"
there are several free pushmail provider arround www.mail2web.com is one of them. they offer a completely free exchange 2003 account with active sync for contacts, tasks, calendar and pushmail

I find that the Windows Live 'As items arrive' option works well, though this seems to be pulling at high frequencies to provide the illusion of Push e-mail. I used to experience temperamental service but now it works flawlessly - as well as friends' blackberry devices. I don't have to keep my phone signed in to Messenger which is often advised to maintain a consistent delivery of e-mails.
I set up the Blackberry Connect service (£5/month) with T-Mobile UK but immediately reverted to using Windows Live (which is free given that you have a data connection) as the BB Connect service acts as a middleman, while Windows Live connects directly (or appears to) to your Hotmail inbox. Messages you read or mark as unread will be viewed as read/unread in your mailbox via a PC, folders can be synched and sent items are synchronised. Perfect for me. The only problem is reduced battery life.
For anyone who tried to use Windows Live 'Push' e-mail and found it to be inconsistent, see here: http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/Connection/forums/t/2134.aspx.

I was always wondering about the battery too.
So I did a power drain test...
Hope this link helps!
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185860

Related

AIM/e-mail problems with AT&T Tilt

I have a new AT&T Tilt, straight out of the box with no modifications. I have it set up to track my Yahoo email account and my AIM account. However, both of them have big problems updating. On AIM, it takes almost a half-hour to receive or send a message after the message is actually sent. The email client is also telling me there are no new emails, even though I actually received emails in that account over four hours ago. I'm using the default IM client for AIM, because I have unlimited SMS with my plan, and I need to have AIM open all the time and be able to receive IMs even when the phone is asleep. I don't see why it should take this long regardless, considering I have three (or at least two) bars on EDGE at all times.
Does anyone else have this problem and/or know how to fix it, is possible? I need to be able to send and receive IMs and e-mails instantly at any time, and if the Tilt can't do that, then I need to find a different phone, which is a shame, because I really like the other features and the phone in general.
are you paying for your internet service?
Yes, I have a plan with unlimited data and SMS.
What is the deal with this phone? I just sent an email and it arrived over three hours later. I am required to have working email for my job, and this can hardly be considered working. What is wrong here? I don't see how all the other working professionals here can possibly be accepting of this and still consider it a good phone if it can't even handle simple email and IM. This is insane, considering no other phone offered by AT&T has this many useful features, and if I have to replace this phone it will certainly be a downgrade.
I don't think anyone else is having the same problems as you, which is why you're not finding anyone agree with your complaints.
Usually if you send an email and it arrives late, it's usually because of etiher the sending or receiving mail server, not because of the sending device. I have confidence that the email got from your phone to the email server just fine, and in a very reasonable amount of time.
Also, is there no 3G in your area?
AIM (instant messaging, not email) has always been delayed on all of the windows mobile devices I have used over the years (& on both Tmobile & at&t).
ATT is much faster than Tmob, but there is still a huge delay. That's why I stopped using IM'ing altogether.
As for emails, I set up an exchange email address on my website because for the last couple of weeks I have been unable to send or receive any emails through my AOL account. I have been going back & forth with AOL's tech support this whole time. My emails worked for a just one day during this whole time, & hasnt worked since! Whenever somebody emails me it tells them my mailbox is full even though I only have 29 emails! I erased all of the messages in my spam, sent & trash folders & still nothing. My AOL is what I have been using for many years for everything, its even on my website & all of my business card!
No as for the delayed messages, you may want to look into Push mail (using an exchange server). Do a search for it here & you'll see there are quite a few solutions (some free, some not). Push mail is essentially "instant" if you set it up that way & have decent reception.
I don't see how there could be problems with the email server, I'm using Yahoo mail, and I can send/receive emails fine with my PC, but if I email someone from my phone it take hours for them to get it, and if I receive an email, it takes hours for it to show up on the phone (though it still appears in my inbox instantly if I access it from my PC).
DJayRage, I'm not talking about delayed IMs, I'm talking about it would be FASTER for me to get in my car, drive across the state and tell them personally.
Also, I was told there was 3G in my area, but whenever I scan for service it auto-connects to EDGE, so I assume that's not the case.
I wish I could blame this on something other than my phone, but when it doesn't work, and nobody else is having this problem, I don't see what else there is to blame. Everything on my phone is stock. I'm using the Xpress mail thing or whatever it's called, and the 3-in-1 IM client that comes with the phone, so there aren't any 3rd party mods or anything that could be interfering.
Oh that may be your problem (Xpress mail). When I purchased my Tilt a couple of month's ago the ATT salesman told me not to use it because they've had nothing but problems with it. He wasn't specific, & I didn't ask what problems they were having. I use the built in mail app & that works fine for me. I get my Gmail, my Push mail & my AOL (when it's working) through there with no problems.
How do I do that? On the phone and in the instruction manual it said I needed to get the Xpress mail to check my yahoo mail. Also, do you think that using the built-in AIM client is what is causing the slowness, and that a 3-rd party app would work better?
Click on the envelope button on the button right hand side of your device. That opens up the default WM messaging application.
Once in there click menu - tools - new account. That's where you setup your accounts & options (since you want your emails sent & received as quickly as possible make sure to select "send & receive every 5 minutes". Also check off the the box in adanced settings that says "send mail when I click send" or something like that). Those options may drain your battery faster but that's about as quick as you can get emails, short of using a PC or setting up a Push Mail type account.
I never even opened up the manual that came with my Tilt. Any questions I had with my device I found answers for them here by searching (hint...)
Have you checked if you have 3G in your area?
I've yet to use the AIM app on my Tilt so I can't help you with that. Everytime I log-in to AIM I get random rappers spamming me trying to get me to check out their music.
How do I check if I have 3G in my area? Whenever I connect to the internet and it says searching for EDGE/3G, it always just connects to EDGE, so I assumed I don't get 3G. It's actually weird because other people have told me that we do get 3G around here.
Where are you located? You can check here to see if your area has 3G
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp
DJayRage said:
Click on the envelope button on the button right hand side of your device. That opens up the default WM messaging application.
Once in there click menu - tools - new account. That's where you setup your accounts & options (since you want your emails sent & received as quickly as possible make sure to select "send & receive every 5 minutes". Also check off the the box in adanced settings that says "send mail when I click send" or something like that). Those options may drain your battery faster but that's about as quick as you can get emails, short of using a PC or setting up a Push Mail type account.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When I push the envelope button, it brings me to the same thing it brings me for my old email account. There is no Tools option in the menu, and when I click the new account button on the screen, it gives me the same setup I went through to set up my current account after installing the xpress mail thing. There is also no option in the options menu for the s&r every 5 mins or the other thing, either.
.......bump?
i use im+ for iming. Its realtime and im on edge network with T-Mobile and no delays.
as for the email... maybe your push setting is at every few hours?
sakuyatech said:
.......bump?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry for the delayed response but I'm still not getting my aol emails, which is what I registered on here with. Can you install Capsure (free app that you will find here with a quick search) & send me a screen shot of what your email inbox looks like? I never used Xpress mail, but it sounds like Xpress Mail took over the Envelope button so it goes there instead of the WM6 Inbox (default).
You may try reassinging it start > settings > personal > buttons > (mine shows button 2 assigned to "messaging", what does yours show?).
PS my email address that you can send the screen shot to is rage at djayrage.com
By the way there's an ATT store by my job & the sales guys come into the building I work at all the time (dropping off phones to clients) so I asked one of the them the other day more details about Xpress Mail (this was the same guy that sold me my phone & told me NOT TO use Xpress Mail).
He said Xpress Mail fetches your emails, stores it somewhere on ATT's server's, & then eventually "pushes" it to your device. (Opposite operation for emails being sent). So that may be what is causing the lengthy delays. You may have new emails sitting in your email providers inbox, but they may not be on Xpress Mail's servers yet.
Just use the default Messaging application & cut out the middle man (Xpress Mail).
Well, it was set to messaging, so I guess it wasn't using Xpress Mail after all, regardless, I uninstalled Xpress Mail, deleted my email account, and added it again, so hopefully it will work better this time.
I will also try IM+ as well and see if it works better.
Any updates? How's your emails working now?

Push e-mail & Diamond

Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!
turt said:
Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I do push e-mail everyday (using Edge).
Fully charged Diamond last for 9.5 hrs for normally usage + pushmail.
It is only around 2/3 usage time for my Touch Elf.
Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?
turt said:
Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i have around 50-100 emails daily. poor me.
I have Exchange 2007 mailbox for company, it is pushmail and i got as soon as they are arriving on server. Simultaneously, I have another IMAP4 mailbox for my personal, i check it every 10 mins.
Same settings also apply to my previous Touch Elf, which have 1/3 longer running time for a fully charged battery.
OK I see...
I noticed on the HTC website that the specs for standby time are:
- Up to 396 hours for WCDMA
- Up to 285 hours for GSM
EDGE is GSM, so maybe that's the reason why it sucks the battery so much?
These numbers seem strange, that would mean we can expect a better battery life on 3G networks... I hope it's true!
Keep in mind after the first connection Windows mobile 6 doesn't close the connection. Then the battery life down very fast
Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?
Fabio Miyauchi said:
Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.
mail2web gmail
Hi
I'm getting gmail pushed through mail2web.
Anyone know how I can get just my inbox and not all the folders and emails ? There's no way to set up a filter for just the inbox --> forward emails.
thanks.
@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?
akito said:
@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Allowing mail2web to aggregate emails would work, but the trouble is, it uses IMAP and of course that mean it pulls emails from Gmail on a timed basis. If mail2web is using IMAP, I may as well set up a direct account on the phone to do just that.
The benefit of forwarding gmail is that mails would arrive almost instantaneously to mail2web and then be pushed to the phone.
Unfortunately in the case of gmail, all email gets forwarded including those that I have filtered out and don't want in my regular inbox, so every few minutes my phone is pinging to let me know I have a new email.
lmr2003 said:
Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!
Blob8me said:
I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is it possible to ad more accounts in Emoze? And is Emoze pushing HTML emails or TXT..?? This moment i use mobipush.com, but they don't support HTML push...
I'm not sure if emoze can support more than one account at a time in the "free" version??? Dont think so but you should check.
As for HTML or Text - Text only for now I think???
Thats a lot of thinking??? Their website give some good detail....
I use 4smartphone.net - for push email.
My battery needs charging every second day - my phone use is 1 hours calls 50 SMS and surffing 30mins inbetween charges.
I use momail.com and they support push email,
ihave never used that before and i dont know how to set it up in diamond,
any one that can guide me in the right direction?
I've tried to use my mail2web push-mail account on my Diamond, and I have to say that I was surprised that it did not decreased that much the battery longevity.
(compared to my wizard and trinity I used to do push-mail on)
This might be because by default, the settings are not high consuming on the Diamond (no wake-up on email reception, no ring, etc.)
since everything is done with the screen light off, I even think that it reduces more the battery charge to put on the light and check what time it is, than to have the push running in the back ground.
While we're on the subject of emoze, does it work (ie still push) while the phone is in standby?
Yep, it sure does.
I used to have my diamond setup for push and barely got through the day with my battery,
now I upgraded to the newest radio rom and set the mail sync to every 15min.
after this I have about 60% power left after one day.
I used to think push is a must, but honestly, 15min syncs are just fine. no mail cant be that important....

PUSH email for Win Mo

Hi Guys!
I've search the forums to find the best solution there is for Push Email, but I haven't been able to find much. I do not have an exchange server myself, so I'm looking for a service or something of that sort.
I signed up for MobiPush, and it works great, but the only issue I have is that my ActiveSync always stays on, and keeps my GPRS connection active 24/7. Is that how it should be? Isn't that a battery drain, is there a better way to do it?
Thanks! and apologies if someone has asked this before!
Go for/to: www.mail2web.com
Free service! Very good and stable.
If you want a connection in MS Outlook you have to pay but its worth the money in my opion.
Succes!
Thanks I'll check it out.
When you check via ActiveSync, does your GPRS connection always stay active?
No. But is is a opion in KaiserTweak to keep connection alive. Is a hit for your battery!
Yeah..I don't want it to stay alive..i think its pointless for it to stay alive all the time!
My KaiserTweak is set at 1 Min for disconnection, but it doesnt really disconnect the connection!
jatin.ahuja said:
Yeah..I don't want it to stay alive..i think its pointless for it to stay alive all the time!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you find it pointless to stay alive all the time, why you wanna have pushmail then?
well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!
jatin.ahuja said:
well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a way - an SMS can be sent to tell you that there is a new message.
I use push email (www.exchangemymail.com - not the cheapest, but it does have postini filtering...) and find that battery life is OK, but I typically charge mine in my car an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening, that's all I need and I have 3G on all day.
jatin.ahuja said:
well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Microsoft offers push email through their Live Services. I have a @live.com account and get push email,but again,it seems activesync is always connected and Kaiser tweaks will not help. And the battery takes a big hit. Also, you better have an unlimited data plan or your wallet will take a big hit too.
Read this article (about half way down)[1] It explains how the mobile Phone sync with the exchange server. In essence a http connection is kept open at all times. It used to be (in 5.0/exchange 2003 times) that the connection with the mobile was an SMS sent from the server. That means that every email cost you 1 SMS. Depending on your plan that can be very expensive)
It goes through this cycle:
1.) mobile http request to exchange server with timeout info
2.) exchange server checks for new mail
----> no new mail: server waits until timeout then send an empty reply. The mobile then starts anew at 1.)
----> mail arrives before timeout: server sends the the reply immediately with information which folders to sync. After syncing the whole process starts at 1.) again
Short answer: Yes your GRPS connection will have to be always on BUT if there is no mail there is only a minimal amount of data used. Also using a 6.1 rom helps a lot with battery life (at least in my experience).
[1] http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=4638
waht about mobipush!? ist free an it works!
I use SEVEN mail. It's the actual product behind cingular's ExpressMail, but you can get a newer version by joining the beta (neverending, it seems) for Seven at http://preview.seven.com
I too use the Seven product. It ROCKS!!!
Seven makes my phone sluggish
gai-jin said:
I use SEVEN mail. It's the actual product behind cingular's ExpressMail, but you can get a newer version by joining the beta (neverending, it seems) for Seven at http://preview.seven.com
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you all for the response! and sorry for the delay!
I installed Seven and I feel its a lot better than MobiPush, but I feel like when I click the Messages tab on my phone (from HTC Home), it takes forever to open it up!
Do you guys feel that too?
For some a better puch mail soultion
If you have gmail or any other email account that allows you to set it to automatically forward email. And if you have unlimited text messaging on your phone plan then the solution I use might be useful for those who want a push email function.
There is a small program called QoreFunctions Pusheffect. Its for WM devices and this is part of the solution. You can find this online to purchase
In general here is how it works. Your cell service provider offers you a email address that takes emails in but delivers them as text messages on your phone.
1. In your normal email provider set it to forward every email you get to the email address that your phone provider delivers emails as text messages.
2. Install and configure Push effect according to the instructions they offer and your done.
Here's what happens. Email hits your regular email account. That forwards email to your cell phone text message account. A text message arrives on your phone. Push effect reads the text message and can tell it came because there is email waiting in your regular email account. It then triggers your mobile email to connect and pick up your email from your regular account.
This all happens in just a few seconds after the mail hits your regular email account.
The benefits are it works with Lot's of email services and does not require exchange in any way. It also is not polling your email account so no extra drain on your battery
I love it and it works great!!!
www.emoze.com
nouf' said!
jatin.ahuja said:
but I feel like when I click the Messages tab on my phone (from HTC Home), it takes forever to open it up!
Do you guys feel that too?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That has nothing to do with push mail. That's just a bug or something in HTC Home. Try clicking the Messaging icon in Programs or mapping a hardware button to it. You will see how fast the messaging application comes up. But for some reason when you try and invoke messaging from that icon in HTC Home it takes several seconds. I don't know why.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379440
the same sms technique was developed by a fellow xda developer and offered for free! try it, it works great. best to have unlimted text and data though if you go this route. also means you dont need to have your data connection on all the time, save battery!
set up kaiser tweaks so your data connection disconnect after every xx minutes. set your email to forward new mail to your SMS address. when you get the notification of new mail on your device, it launches poutlook and checks your mail. then after xx minutes your connection turns off. works great! connection only when new mail comes in.
in the program there is a simple config you have to set up so the program knows which sms notification to trigger poutlook so it doesnt open outlook on all sms notifications you have. usually notifications that are for new mail have specific text in the subject and body and you can use that to distinguish emailed forwarded sms from regular sms you get from friends.
cehck the thread i posted for screen shots of the program, its easier then my discriptions makes it look! haha: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379440
the only other way to use it without sms is to have your connect on at all times. there's a trade off and depends which route you want to go.
Seven notification alerts!
Hi Everyone!
Thanks for all your help! So I've started using Seven, and everytime I get an email, I have a little red icon on my taskbar (on top) and my phone vibrates. Is there a way to turn these notifications off?
Thanks!
Jatin

Gmail push mail thoughts.

OK folks, does anyone have any recommendations for Gmail push mail for the Kaiser?
Gmail App: Either adding this to your phone, or using it online on your phone seems to work well, but, unless I'm an idiot, there is no push--you have to check your e-mail manually. That kinda kills it.
emoze: http://www.emoze.com/en/get/index.asp. This is a neat little app that you install on your phone, and it seems to log you into a server that checks your Gmail (or Yahoo, whatever) and then pushes whatever it finds there to your phone. However, this seems relatively buggy and unreliable. One, if it works when you send an email, not long after it will download that sent email to your phone and tell you you have an email. Two, it wants to fiddle with your activesync settings which don't seem to work too well.
mobiPush: At http://www.mobiPush.com. Well, this seems unreliable, or at least, slow as hell. Now, being used to text messages, maybe the speed is normal for push mail, I don't know. Oddly enough, it won't connect to the internet when I have my USB cable plugged in, even though I have "Allow wireless connections" checked in activesync.
mail2web live: http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/. I have no idea, I haven't tried it.
Does anyone have any thoughts on these? Other suggestions? Want to point out my glaring errors? Feel free, and thanks!
Do you have issues w/ Imap? I have mine setup to check every 15 or 30 minutes and only keep 3 days of messages on my phone so it doesn't get too cluttered. I dont have the issue of sending an email and having the sent message show up as new when using this manner either. Just a thought/suggestion.
My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.
Seven
http://community.seven.com/main.php
this pushes email great for me
fiddelm3742 said:
Do you have issues w/ Imap? I have mine setup to check every 15 or 30 minutes and only keep 3 days of messages on my phone so it doesn't get too cluttered. I dont have the issue of sending an email and having the sent message show up as new when using this manner either. Just a thought/suggestion.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just found that and set it up, thank you!
What I'm trying to avoid is having the phone check for email, and it seems that with Gmail IMAP you have to tell the phone to check at whatever intervals you want.
redsrule2500 said:
My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where exactly do you see this option?
redsrule2500 said:
My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When you say it's "an option in Gmail you have to set," can you be more specific?
It seems that by setting up IMAP the phone has to check, Gmail isn't pushing mail to the phone automatically, is it? There doesn't seem to be a reason for the phone to check if Gmail is pushing.
Thoughts? And thank you!
elypsar said:
Where exactly do you see this option?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I second that.
What the 2 guys before me said.
Gmail itself seems curiously silent about this one. Especially because it would be a MASSIVE boon to their business...
Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?
rush242 said:
mobiPush: At http://www.mobiPush.com. Well, this seems unreliable, or at least, slow as hell. Now, being used to text messages, maybe the speed is normal for push mail, I don't know. Oddly enough, it won't connect to the internet when I have my USB cable plugged in, even though I have "Allow wireless connections" checked in activesync.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As it turns out, the USB issue was a different issue all together. That's just Activesync being kinda crappy. D'oh!
That doesn't make mobiPush suddenly awesome, just that it had nothing to do with them. Heh.
what about Flexmail? It has IMAP IDLE support which will function like push email. If you set up the Gmail IMAP account under the program, it should automatically notify you when new emails are received.
Check the Hacking and Development area for ImapPusherService. I haven't gotten it to work on mine yet, but others have had good success. It isn't perfect, but as long as you don't SR very often it should work no problem. Downside, if you do a SR you have to relaunch the program and reenter your username and password.
I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
BTW Seven in my experience is poor. Use it if you want an email client that doesn't push but simply checks for email every 5 minutes and takes up memory. Oh wait. pocket outlook does this without taking up extra memory!
cheese74 said:
what about Flexmail? It has IMAP IDLE support which will function like push email. If you set up the Gmail IMAP account under the program, it should automatically notify you when new emails are received.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to check into this, as it ain't free. I must say that gives me a bit more confidence as I bought Pocket Informant recently. That program goes a bit overboard, but it does what they say it will do.
Gracias.
knmwt15000 said:
I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
BTW Seven in my experience is poor. Use it if you want an email client that doesn't push but simply checks for email every 5 minutes and takes up memory. Oh wait. pocket outlook does this without taking up extra memory!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what do you mean check for email every 5 minutes? seven isn't push?
Why use an app? go to your Gmail page and enable pop ( under settings ) Works great for me. I have mine saving 1 weeks worth of emails on the phone, automatically downloading all attachments, as well as updating every 5 minutes.... Never had an issue. I use my gmail rather than my blackberry email from work because the Kaiser handles mail SOOOOOO much better with attachments.
I am using Flexmail as well and found it the best solution so far for push Gmail. Setup was relatively easy and I like the advanced folder management options that Flexmail provides. Also, html formatting is a big plus.
I tried Seven, mobipush, emoze, and mail2web. All of them had some disadvantages such as bulky background client, slow receive/send, instability with other apps, and 3rd party reply-to address (mail2web). Flexmail is well worth the cost as it connects to the Gmail imap servers directly and I typically receive emails in my phone within 10 seconds of it actually appearing on Gmail web-mail.
hjlow said:
what do you mean check for email every 5 minutes? seven isn't push?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In my experience it is not. I set it up and intermittently sent test emails to my address. Got new mail exactly every 5 mins....
knmwt15000 said:
I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the heads up on this one. As a plus: it's Free, and that's brilliant. It's small, doesn't use up much space, memory, et cetera. However, it only seems to work intermittently, and that's just not worth the trouble.
posted in DCD'd Titan Rom 3.2.5 ROM as well....
Don't know where the error is. Reflashed 3.2.5 three times, same error. Just to put it out there.... anyone using the beta program Seven for pushing email?
Gmail worked before but will not connect from the Gmail shortcut from the login screen. Yahoo and Hotmail shortcuts work fine. Went in to "Other Pop Accounts" and added Gmail there and worked fine.
Note: No issues at all regarding this with 3.2.3

How to push email

I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
what the hell are you talking about?
You automatically get all emails from the account you registered your g1 with pushed to your device if u did not manually disable it in settings. Via thhe mentioned G(oogle)Mail application!
You can also use the suppiled email app that comes pre installed on the phone. Works with all the major emails except those from an exchange server.
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
Proxin said:
I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You do have an exchange account? POP3/web mail can't be pushed
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes they are...
Proxin said:
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The GMail client does not "check" the source email, it uses a proprietary version of IMAP IDLE (push) technology. It is indeed pushed to your phone, when "Sync" is enabled. However, K9 and the stock email app do not provide IMAP IDLE support at this time, so there is no way to set that up. K9 has it on the To-Do list. I don't know about you, but the instant my account that is set up with the Gmail client on the phone gets an email - my phone notifies me, sometimes it is faster then a desktop client. And, I assure you that it is not constantly sending out requests checking in for mail on the server, that would be poor coding on Google's part and waste a lot of their resources.
So, to answer your concerns directly.
The GMail client IS what is referred to as "Push" email.
The K9 and stock Email clients are currently not capable of "Push" email.
bassbox said:
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How about doing some reading before sticking your foot further into your throat.
IMAP IDLE - how it works.
It is very efficient.
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
bassbox said:
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're still looking for a clue, almost getting there
In case of push mail your phone does NOT poll for new mails: The mailserver will notify your phone when new mail is available. Yes your phone sends an idle command, but nothing happens after that: The connection is just left open and when there is new mail the server will send it.
bassbox said:
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think you are grasping the concept, but the semantics are lost on you.
It works like this:
1. Client connects to server, does it's initial check-in, and handles new requests.
2. Client sends IDLE command to server, telling the server that it is still active, but not actively sending requests.
3. Client sits IDLE (no more data is transmitted from client to server unless an action takes place on the CLIENT requiring transmission - ie, an email is sent).
4. Server receives a new message.
5. Server sends a packet to the Client (knowing where it is located based on the open - yet IDLE connection).
6. Client responds to the packet and is subsequently transmitted the message.
See how many times I used the word IDLE - get the picture? As long as you know what IDLE means, you will understand how efficient this is. Here is a quote from that page I posted a link to:
Phone. For older phones there could be an issue of increased battery usage due to holding the connection open. This is unlikely to be a problem on a modern phone.
Another practical problem is that current phone networking technology will lose IP network connectivity from time to time, and this will need to be automatically re-established, and the IMAP connection re-established if this is lost due to a long network failure.
In summary, the overall IMAP IDLE architecture has good performance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Whoo HOO! Another GIRL on the forum! Go ZEE ZEE! And, she's CUTE, too!
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Proxin - I believe (although I could be wrong) what is going on is that you don't have the Gmail as your primary mail account - the one that everyone sends email to.
I only lately began to use Gmail. So, I have three email addresses that are set to forward to the Gmail account. The time it takes for these email to be forwarded and received by Gmail is the only lag I experience at all.
If you are using Gmail's "fetcher" feature to fetch email from other accounts... I have seen up to 30 minutes before each "fetch." So, it can take awhile. In which case I suggest that you go to any primary accounts that you have and set them to forward your email to your Google account and see if that decreases the delay.
Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
B-Eazy said:
Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Touchdown rocks, and is worth the money.
Even the Exchange support in the upcoming cupcake is lame, as ig works with a lame email client.

Categories

Resources