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No-one one here experienced the 3G bug then?

This is a problem where you have an apparently good 3G signal BUT you cannot make or receive calls or texts and you can't establish a data connection. There is no obvious sign that you are in this state until you try to call, text or access data.
The "solution" from T-Mobile in the UK is to force the phone "band" setting from Auto to GSM, then it works. But of course its not a solution as you lose 3G.
If you are at work with a 3 icon on your phone, just try calling it from your desk and see if you get straight to voicemail or not.
After discussions with T-Mobile they are sending me a replacement handset but if the postings in Modaco are anything to go by then I am not alone in this.
What is not clear is whether this is restricted to:
1. The T-Mobile UK network
2. The T-Mobile UK Vario III firmware
3. A combination of the above
4. A general design fault with some Kaiser's
This is being discussed in the Modaco forums but I couldn't find any mention here.

I make dozens of calls, and send around 50+ SMS a day.
No problems in the last month.
I am an Australian Kaiser owner running on the Three network.
ROM: 1.81.861.0 WWE

Hi there,
I have the same issue on T-Mobile in Germany.
What I have not been able to figure out is if the phone works again after a while or if one needs to reset (as I always do).
Regards,
Martin

I have tried soft resets and even a hard reset and it appears to be random whether it starts working again. This seems to be same experience as the Modaco users.
thinksmart said:
Hi there,
I have the same issue on T-Mobile in Germany.
What I have not been able to figure out is if the phone works again after a while or if one needs to reset (as I always do).
Regards,
Martin
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mbriody said:
This is a problem where you have an apparently good 3G signal BUT you cannot make or receive calls or texts and you can't establish a data connection. There is no obvious sign that you are in this state until you try to call, text or access data.
What is not clear is whether this is restricted to:
1. The T-Mobile UK network
2. The T-Mobile UK Vario III firmware
3. A combination of the above
4. A general design fault with some Kaiser's
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Well, I worked for T-Mobile UK recently and had the very same issue on my Vario II, even whilst at work where there was a large mast and the 3G coverage was the strongest in the country.
on further investigation, everyone else in the area had the same issue. sometimes it would work ok, a lot of the time i had to manually set to 2G just to be able to use the phone functions.
in T-Mob we could check the strength of various 2 & 3G signals by postcode, and the signal in the area was very strong, with no outstanding work issues or problems (according to our system)
was never able to figure out why this was happening, and nobody was able to answer the questions.
so -
seems to be T-Mob UK (perhaps just in various areas at various times), and is not limited to your Kaiser / Vario, so at least you can relax cos it's not a faulty phone

Thanks for the very useful post. Unfortunately that doesn't give us a solution. If this cannot be fixed then T-Mobile is useless for me.
Dr J said:
was never able to figure out why this was happening, and nobody was able to answer the questions.
so -
seems to be T-Mob UK (perhaps just in various areas at various times), and is not limited to your Kaiser / Vario, so at least you can relax cos it's not a faulty phone
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i've been experiencing the same - no data access when using 3g (whilst showing 2 bars) but connecting fine using gsm.
can anyone point me in the direction of a replacement comm manager with the same icons as the default kaiser but with a 3g switch in the vacant slot ?
i've been looking at a few replacement comm managers but can't seem to find what i'm looking for ...

This is NOT a problem with your Kaiser, replacing your phone will not make a difference. It is problem with your provider's tower hard/software. Strange that T-Mobile has not told you this when you contacted them about it.
T-Mobile in the Netherlands does not have this problem, but the KPN network does. KPN is however in the process of replacing the faulty hardware (or maybe they are already done now, even) and suddenly the problem disappears

Found the solution!!
Hello,
I had the same problem untill one day I inserted my sim card in another phone (a very old nokia - as basic as it gets).
For some reason that I don't know, when I put the sim card back in the TyTN II it was working and keeps on working.
This has happened over a month ago, and I now don't hv a problem.
Try to do the same, see if it works for You
Regards
XTP

Nope, I already tried the SIM in another phone (an SE W880i) and it was okay. I put it back in the Vario III and it still didn't work.
I also tried soft and hard resets.
xtp73 said:
Hello,
I had the same problem untill one day I inserted my sim card in another phone (a very old nokia - as basic as it gets).
For some reason that I don't know, when I put the sim card back in the TyTN II it was working and keeps on working.
This has happened over a month ago, and I now don't hv a problem.
Try to do the same, see if it works for You
Regards
XTP
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i can confirm that this didn't work for me either. :-(
worth a try though ...

I had this with a Hermes on Orange UK a year ago. They admitted that the local cell was faulty and was being fixed and asked me to go to GSM for a week. After a week I switched back and it was fine.
Am now using a Kaiser (O Tytn2) in same location and its fine.

well i know ive been having problems sending mms whenever im on the 3g network, but as soon as i switch to gsm then the mms sends fine!

Chainfire said:
This is NOT a problem with your Kaiser, replacing your phone will not make a difference. It is problem with your provider's tower hard/software. Strange that T-Mobile has not told you this when you contacted them about it.
T-Mobile in the Netherlands does not have this problem, but the KPN network does. KPN is however in the process of replacing the faulty hardware (or maybe they are already done now, even) and suddenly the problem disappears
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This is correct, the problem is indeed not your Tytn II. I've called with a dutch provider (Telfort) which makes use of the KPN network. And it is technically not possible. So we must wait till the provider makes sure this is possible.
I also was surprised that they never told me this in advance. Actually they didn't knew it was an problem till I called them.

Er, exactly what "is not possible"?
3G to 2G switching works fine on my other phone (an HSDPA-enabled Nokia 6120 Classic, on the same network).
So how can this not be handset related? I can see how it could be a combination of the phone and the network but if other handsets can cope then it must be related to the handset in some way.
Incidentally I am now using my replacement Vario III and so far so good but its early days yet.
mlh01 said:
This is correct, the problem is indeed not your Tytn II. I've called with a dutch provider (Telfort) which makes use of the KPN network. And it is technically not possible. So we must wait till the provider makes sure this is possible.
I also was surprised that they never told me this in advance. Actually they didn't knew it was an problem till I called them.
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which ROM versions are experiencing this problem?

I get this in the UK on a Tuesday at around 16:00 and then all is ok after 17:00. If I turn off HSDPA then this does not happen at all.
My view is the T-Mobile network. Being as I know when it happens its not a problem but I think they have time slots for software upgrades etc to the HSDPA side of things and this is when your phone goes into a GSM lockout.
If I keep the phone on 2g then it never happens .
This also happened on my N95 on the same day at the same time also , so i would guess its a network thing

I had this occur again this morning, on the new handset. I tried to call home with a full set of bars and the phone in 3G - the call wouldn't go through.
Switched to 2G, call goes through.
The problem is that when you are in this mode there is no way to tell, without trying to make a call. Your phone is effectively useless as no-one can call or text you and you can't call out. You are blissfully unaware.
This is not an acceptable situation.
wardy said:
I get this in the UK on a Tuesday at around 16:00 and then all is ok after 17:00. If I turn off HSDPA then this does not happen at all.
My view is the T-Mobile network. Being as I know when it happens its not a problem but I think they have time slots for software upgrades etc to the HSDPA side of things and this is when your phone goes into a GSM lockout.
If I keep the phone on 2g then it never happens .
This also happened on my N95 on the same day at the same time also , so i would guess its a network thing
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I have suddenly started to experience this problem on T-Mobile UK, starting last night. It finds a 3G network, but I cannot receive or send calls or SMS. If the network drops to 2G, I can generally receive texts, but it's only if I lower my band to GSM only that I can make or receive calls, or use data.
T-Mobile are generally crappy in my area anyway, my phone is forever flipping between 2 and 3G. Can anyone confirm what 3's coverage is like in south london (stockwell area if possible) and what sort of data/call packages you can get sim-only, as I fear that they may not work out as cheap as T-mobile's.

incidentally, I don't think it's an MDA vario problem as I'm running the TyTn II.

"Unlocked" Tilt on Rogers -- no voice calls

Hi guys...sorry if this is already answered here, but I just got a supposedly 'unlocked' AT&T Tilt from eBay and put in my Rogers SIM card. It seems to work OK on the data side of things - gleefully accessing the internet and even syncing my email, but I can't get the voice calls to work. Even shows '3G' for the data connection.
Whenever anyone calls me, they get a couple of rings and it goes to my voicemail. If I try to call out, it dials, then immediately ends the call when it tries to connect.
The SIM card is OK I know, since it works in my Eten X500 just fine.
Do I have to do something to the phone to completely remove the AT&T stuff?
Help...I love the phone, but if it won't make voice calls....
Thanks.
/drt

I had this same problem on ATT in the US. They kept trying to tell me it was a problem with my phone, although I knew this wasnt the case because I had 2 tilts in a row that did this. I called them and eventually got through to a higer level tech, tier 2 I think. I'm not completely sure what he did but he fixed it. It was a problem on their end.
I was able to use data as well, just no calls. It would drop them as soon as I made them.
Call Rogers, they will probably work it out.

You need to flash your tilt with a different version of radio and it will work.

asfoor said:
You need to flash your tilt with a different version of radio and it will work.
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Thanks... any particular suggestions? I'm thinking of flashing the unit with QMobile 1.2, but I don't think that comes with a radio ROM...I guess I should pick one up from the Upload area?
Thanks again for the help.
/drt

xconradx said:
I had this same problem on ATT in the US. They kept trying to tell me it was a problem with my phone, although I knew this wasnt the case because I had 2 tilts in a row that did this. I called them and eventually got through to a higer level tech, tier 2 I think. I'm not completely sure what he did but he fixed it. It was a problem on their end.
I was able to use data as well, just no calls. It would drop them as soon as I made them.
Call Rogers, they will probably work it out.
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I may give that a try, but Rogers doesn't provide support for phones they don't sell. I think I will be SOL once they find out I'm connecting with a 'non-standard' phone.
/drt

drtolson said:
I may give that a try, but Rogers doesn't provide support for phones they don't sell. I think I will be SOL once they find out I'm connecting with a 'non-standard' phone.
/drt
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rogers is really bad when it comes to supporting phones they don't have. You may want to call them and lie, and say you and a TYTN instead of a Tilt, and see if they will try to help.
That being said, I know about 3 guys that have gotten either a TYTN II or a Tilt in the Vancouver area and have popped in their SIM card and everything has worked just fine, including myself. Have you tried flashing a different radio - I am using 1.27.12.17 - perhaps the At&T radios don't work in Canada?...just a thought

here is a link to the radio thread, where you can download the 1.27.12.17 radio...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349375

zakhir_n said:
rogers is really bad when it comes to supporting phones they don't have. You may want to call them and lie, and say you and a TYTN instead of a Tilt, and see if they will try to help.
That being said, I know about 3 guys that have gotten either a TYTN II or a Tilt in the Vancouver area and have popped in their SIM card and everything has worked just fine, including myself. Have you tried flashing a different radio - I am using 1.27.12.17 - perhaps the At&T radios don't work in Canada?...just a thought
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OK, the radio I currently have is 1.27.12.11. Do I have to HardSPL before I install the new radio? Also, I notice you've SuperCID unlocked as well... do I need to do that also?
Thanks for the link to the radio file.
/drt

Well, I got it to work, but...
The ongoing saga continues....
a) HardSPL'd and Flashed in a new radio 1.27.12.17. No change.
b) Played with the network settings a bit, and could occassionally get the phone to 'downgrade' to an Edge cx, and voila! the phone started working. But AT&T's software doesn't give me the option to 'hold' it there.
c) Talked to Rogers tech support -- pretty helpful really. They asked for the # of my SIM card and said it wasn't a '3G' card (it IS pretty old) and suggested I get a new one from the local guys. Went up, got one for free (since I gave them my old one) and tried it -- No luck, same problem.
d) Flashed QMobile 1.2 ROM -- still getting the at&t screen on initial startup, but everything else seems good and the HTC-ish stuff it's supposed to be.
e) Went to configure the phone band settings. If I leave them on 'Auto', it finds the Rogers 3G network and hooks up, but the same problem arises -- when it finishes dialing and tries to connect, it just ends the calls. And incoming calls go directly to my voicemail. HOWEVER, if I specifically configure it for GSM network and the 1900+850 bands, then it locks onto Edge and the phone works fine.
I guess it's back to tech support with Rogers to see what they have to say about my account, etc.
Very Weird.
/drt

similar looking thread here which might be helpful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Im personally still using the original at&t tilt radio ver 1.27.12.11 on Rogers and haven't had problems with voice on 3G. I haven't ever used a data connection with Rogers however..

Comatose said:
similar looking thread here which might be helpful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Im personally still using the original at&t tilt radio ver 1.27.12.11 on Rogers and haven't had problems with voice on 3G. I haven't ever used a data connection with Rogers however..
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Yup...from that thread, the description sounds EXACTLY like the difficulties I'm experiencing. It appears to be a hardware failure... Unfortunately, I bought from a guy on eBay, so I'm not sure I can send it in for repair. It works on Edge though, and that will be good enough for now.
Thanks everyone for the help.
/drt

Signal keeps going in and out

Device: Tilt
Carrier: AT&T
ROM: Duttys_WM6.1_Official_5.2.19209_1_58_16_27
Have been running this rom for a couple of weeks with no problem. All of the sudden yesterday I noticed signal kept coming in and out, wasn't able to make or receive calls. Since then, I've tried a couple of diff ROMs, diff radios, and for some reason it just doesn't seem to catch a consistent signal. Signal keeps jumping from 3G to EDGE to having nothing. When I try to make a call or go online, signal just goes dead.
Any suggestions onto what could this be?
Thanks

same issue here....in NYC
i'm having the same issue.
if you switch the band signal (click on the phone icon on the top..then go Bands tab) to GSM. all is well. you will no longer rotate b/w EDGE and 3G when trying to make calls/internet. but when you revert the setting back to Auto, the phone may work for a short time while it still thinks its under EDGE. then when it senses 3G network available, it will try to connect to that signal and disconnect both your voice and data. i'm in New York City, so trying to get on 3G network is not an issue.
ive had this issue for about a week now thinking my setting got all messed up somehow. i've reflashed my tilt to the original ATT ROM from the HTC ATT ROM update from one of Dutty's ROMs. still doesn't work. i'm starting to think the 3G chip is fried...
AT&T technicial support can't help either. the guy i had on the phone said there was a 3G tower literally a block away...
might have to call warranty to get it exchanged...
does anyone else have any ideas why this does this?

Change the radio and see if this helps. I keep a copy of all 6.1 radios on my phone so I can flash on the go for the best signal possible.

P1Tater said:
Change the radio and see if this helps. I keep a copy of all 6.1 radios on my phone so I can flash on the go for the best signal possible.
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I've tried a couple of different radios with no luck. Thing is, it just happened out of nowhere... yesterday morning worked, yesterday night, it was acting up, no change in ROM or radio...
Thanks for your input.

sum1kool said:
I've tried a couple of different radios with no luck. Thing is, it just happened out of nowhere... yesterday morning worked, yesterday night, it was acting up, no change in ROM or radio...
Thanks for your input.
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If that is the case, then I would definitely call your service provider and see if they are having issues.

P1Tater said:
If that is the case, then I would definitely call your service provider and see if they are having issues.
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And If Your Cell Provider Happens to Be AT$T. Then the answer is definately yes.

JimmyMcGee said:
And If Your Cell Provider Happens to Be AT$T. Then the answer is definately yes.
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haha... yeah, thats kinda what i figured. so now im "3G-less". im on EDGE only like my old blackberry... at least i have wifi, gps, camera in one device unlike any current BBs out there... still kinda sucks. ill give ATT-tech a shot anyway...

So, I called AT&T yesterday... was on the phone for a couple of hours with NO RESULT! They did they all the towers are working around my area with no problem though... i think it might be what finaldock said, "3G might be fried"
Any suggestions anyone?
Oh yeah, I'm running the ROM below now... still w/the same problem.
Duttys_WM6.1_5.2.19700_Hybrid V2_1_65.14.06

Problems with new phone

Hi,
Got my new TD2 on Saturday and think that it is a very good phone.
Now the probems:
Awlful radio reception (swapped over the sim and put it into my old Touch Cruise and get full signal- so i know its the phone)
Keep getting the following error messages:
"An error occurred with gwes.exe" also get "shell32.exe" errors. I report the error to Microsoft and have informed HTC, will update if i get any response.
Has anybody had any similar issues?

Have not had any of the issues. Maybe if you supply your ROM and RADIO Versions and what region you are in it may help?
Radio reception on mine is pretty good on all the stations here. I don't really use it though but have tested.

Rom version- 1.39.405.2 (47382) WWE
Rom date- 04/07/09
Radio version- 3.43.25.19
Protocol- 61.20t.25.10u
Using T-Mobile in the UK (Wiltshire)
Hope that this helps.

Awlful radio reception (swapped over the sim and put it into my old Touch Cruise and get full signal- so i know its the phone)
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If you mean bad GSM/3G reception, you're certainly not alone. 3G is particularly poor, you really need to be in a strong signal area to use 3G.
You may get some improvement by changing the phone settings from "automatic" to only using your network, and the band settings to the UK bands only.
Other than that, we're all praying for an upgraded radio rom soon.

Pete_S said:
If you mean bad GSM/3G reception, you're certainly not alone. 3G is particularly poor, you really need to be in a strong signal area to use 3G.
You may get some improvement by changing the phone settings from "automatic" to only using your network, and the band settings to the UK bands only.
Other than that, we're all praying for an upgraded radio rom soon.
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Yes, i see from other posts that signal quality is an "issue" at the moment. Got usual response from HTC (reset/hard reset/move aropund location/send back to retailer- might do this)
Tried changing bands to automatic, which was fine when had a signal, but when lost it, wouldn't find it again.
With the other issue, told to hard reset by HTC and wait and see what happens.

Pete_S said:
If you mean bad GSM/3G reception, you're certainly not alone. 3G is particularly poor, you really need to be in a strong signal area to use 3G.
You may get some improvement by changing the phone settings from "automatic" to only using your network, and the band settings to the UK bands only.
Other than that, we're all praying for an upgraded radio rom soon.
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LOL..... I thought he meant the actually FM Radio. I don't know what I was thinking.
Any clue as to his other problems.......
Have you hard reset..... do those other problems still exist?

HTC Touch Freak said:
LOL..... I thought he meant the actually FM Radio. I don't know what I was thinking.
Any clue as to his other problems.......
Have you hard reset..... do those other problems still exist?
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I have hard reset, and (touchwood) i have not had the error messages since, will keep updating as necessary.

Yeah, think i spoke too soon, it started to error again with shell32.exe, noticed that i am not the only one by using a search engine, it seems that there are a few issues with Windows Mobile.
Spoke to HTC UK again, and after another hard reset, will be sending it back to the retailer for DOA replacement.
Not the best start, but seems that is the price you pay for having brand new technology in this day and age!

VERY, VERY Frustrated!

I have been combing the forums and searching like crazy for a way to get my MMS to work on T-Mobile USA with my ATT Tilt. It has the stock WM 6.1 on it.
Can someone PLEASE help me and NOT refer me back to searching? I'm about ready to get rid of the phone

Have you tried using the T-mobile configurator?
http://tmobileuspublic.wdsglobal.com/
There was a Cab floating around called tmobyjoe599 that could also set all the data settings. It appears to be here.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395203

or http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565522

Ya, non of that seems to work. I'm sure that someone out there must have gotten this to work...I've had other phones from other provides and didn't have an issue with MMS...

Check to see that you have 3G signal. No 3G no MMS. Also, I'm not sure but does the Kaiser3 (TILT) even support the 3G Frequency of T-Mobile?
Also, SINCE you are using a Stock At&t ROM I have a sneaking suspicion that you won't get an At&t Optimized ROM to work on another Network. Maybe you should flash a Custom ROM and see if that helps.

Ya, i've tried that too, and I can't even get the hardSPL to install...SOOOO i think I'm stuck with no MMS : ( I get the big "E" on my screen for the edge network of T-Mobile.
EDIT: Nevermind, I FINALLY got it, with the help of T-Mobile Configuration tool...

moneyies?
do you have to pay for the configuremyphone thing if you have unlimited texting?