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Hello all,
I'm just now debating on whether or not I need to exchange my new Tilt in for another one, or if this is just normal break-in behavior.
The scroll wheel is very erratic, sometimes when scrolling down it will go up instead and reversing the scrolling motion will cause it to freak out (go down once then scroll up like crazy). Also pressing the scroll wheel in to select/click on something often doesn't work forcing me to try several times to "click" on what I have selected.
The scrolling action is nowhere near as smooth as my Hermes, is anyone else having these issues?
******* separate but related issue *******
If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
Thanks,
Dave
same problem
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
reitjam said:
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
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I was having the same problem with the AT&T ROM, but admittedly was not running it for very long before pof released HardSPL.
That's what makes me think it's hardware related.
le_cactus said:
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
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Thanks Cactus,
I haven't checked the SSPL thread today, I saw that pof closed it last night because it was bricking a lot of phones. Thought he mentioned that he was going to try to get a working one out soon.
Thanks again for the reply.
sirsycho said:
******* separate but related issue *******
If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
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SSPL v1 is just fine to flash an SPL or a splash screen, it will not work if you flash a full NBH containing OS becuase the NBH buffer is smaller on 0.92.
thanks pof!
Erratic scroll wheel persists across ROMs
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
I have the same problem. It sometimes works and sometimes it dont.
willieb9000 said:
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
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My new device is on the FedEx truck for delivery today... I'm going to try it out with the standard AT&T ROM for a bit to get a good baseline and then flash to HTC's... I'll try to post an update tonight.
Thanks.
sirsycho said:
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
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Not you're device. I had this issue prior to unlocking, then with the htc rom and again now with the att rom. To me, it looks either hardware issue, or something lower level is the OS that is common to all current roms. PErhaps the sensitivity of the wheel needs tweaking somehow.
I had issues with my scroll wheel as well. Coming from an 8525 I was like WTF did they do to this wheel? Sometimes the click wasn't registering, but either it's broken in, or I've adjusted my habits because it seems OK now, though not as solid feeling as the 8525 was. I'm sitting here with both the 8525 and Tilt in my hands and the wheel on the 8525 is definitely better.
I'm experiencing the same problem. The wheel feels scratchy when rotated, unlike my Hermes which was smooth. Usually wheels of this type are metal contacts against a circuit board, which use a binary gray code to register direction. I'm thinking its been designed poorly. Perhaps the Hermes unit was $.02 more money.
I wonder if we can replace it with a Hermes unit?
thanks sirsycho.. Update us once you get your new one.
Update with new Tilt and ATT ROM
ok... I'm still running the ATT ROM and still having the scroll wheel issues. Exactly the same things mentioned by others here... scrolling doesn't always register and when pressing in on the wheel I have to do it a couple times before it actually works.
On a side note, it seemed to be getting better on the older device before I switched, but as was mentioned above, that might just be me getting used to the substandard hardware (both of my Hermes work sooo much better).
I'll probably try this out through tomorrow before I flash the HTC ROM... I'll post again if anything improves.
Same scroll wheel problems for me (I have a Tilt). It sounds like maybe it improves as you break it in, so I'll give it a few more days before returning. Grrr....
Same problem here with my first Tilt. I returned the next day because this thread hadn't popped up yet so I thought it was just me and one defective unit. I subsequently got one that (knock on wood) has performed much better. Still notice a few jutters here and there, but the wheel doesn't feel as "scratchy" as mentioned before.
When I had my first Tilt, I noticed it much more when moving the wheel slowly. Here's hoping the problem doesn't start again because so far so good with my new one.
hello i'm using htc Tytn II
rom version : 1.81.707.0 WWE
rom date : 09/05/07
Radio version : 1.27.12.11
Protocol version : 22.45.88.07H
CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 1825.0.4.2)
and everything works fine up,down and push.....
cheers
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago and Im having the same erratic scroll wheel problem.
I see that this is an old thread, so I'm wondering if any conclusion as to this being a hardware or software problem have been made?
Thanks
I just got my Diamond back from repairs and wanted to compare experiences:
1)
I first bought a Diamond two months ago. It came with 1.37 ROM series on it, the screen wasn't too yellowish, but touch function wasn't responsive and the GPS was a MESS!
(of course, I tried many ROMs official and unofficial, almost every Radio ROM and various Hard-SPL. None of that fixed the problems.)
I could cope with with the other flaws, but I just couldn't bear my GPS wasn't getting a fix, no matter how much sattelits were in view...
It worked at first, but soon started to display '66666' instead of the location and finally, it would never display any location again.
I tried every tips and tricks and softs, it helped giving me more and more satellits in view and apparently active, but at the end my crappy GPS could never turn the datas received into a proper location...
2)
I sent my device back to warranty (after flashing back to official ROM and SPL) and had to wait for about a month.
(the technician at first tought I was just a noob unable to set his phone properly, but after two days of attempts, he had to admit that there was something wrong with my phone and sent it to the the headquarter for replacement of motherboard and so on.
3)
The new phone I got came directly with 1.93 ROM and a little bit more yellowish screen, though, there is no spot or stain on it. So the coulour doesnt bother me.
But from the beginning I noticed the new phone was much more responsive even at the slightest touch.
From the first try, the GPS got a fix in about 1 mn time, with only 3-4 satelits in view.
I installed Hard-SPL and the latest Australian Official ROM, and though the screen seems now a little less responsive than before, the GPS is still working, fine.
I'm a VERY happy user of Diamond now, but I'm still wondering one thing:
it looks like once the warranty technicians understood that I was very demanding about quality and complete functions, they took time but gave me a phone totally different in terms of behaviour and quality of the components sensitivity of screen, GPS etc.
Is there some bad production series that they never tells publicly about, and much more better series that they give you as a replacement once they understand you will bother them until the end of time if you are not satsified?
Plz tell your experience about having received two new diamonds with totally different behaviour and quality of the components.
I guess you are totally right!!!
My first device was pealing paint in the aluminium frame on the second day, work very good by the way.
Now i´m on the second device and i my hardware keys, especially the call button is sometimes irresponsive and i have to push it several times to enter the dial.
Tried cooked rooms as well, and the call button issue still remains, so i´m a little unhappy with my diamond experience.
I've noticed that whenever i turn on my display after having left the diamond unused for sometime the lcd doesn't switch on smoothly, what i mean is that it first displays a grey pattern(only for a ms or so) and then the desktop( lcd off>>grey flash>>desktop). Usually the transition from off to desktop is quite smooth, but in my case its not!
Is this a s/w issue or h/w ?
I've never experienced that particular problem myself, but sounds like H/W problem to me...
just been through a couple of other threads related to the grey screen of death...i've had it once...it happened while i ended a call, had to soft reset to resolve it.
take a look at the grey screen of death i'm talking about
Pretty scary indeed!
It might not be a coincidence that you experienced both: grey transition when switching on the screen and once, the grey screen of death after a call...
Two different effects of the same defective part in your H/W?
a solution!, almost
untill now i've had auto brightness control switched off and the brightness was set to minimum to save battery life, but now i just tried switching on auto adjust backlight and the problem seems to have vanished.....coming out of standby is smooth as ever!
although i've to say that i don't quite understand the logic behind it.
*EDIT*
it doesn't help for long
blufade said:
a solution!, almost
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it doesn't help for long
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This is what I was worrying about...
Your method sounded like a work around to avoid the display failure. But as a matter of fact, there must be a reason for the display to fail. (bad screen, power supply or something...)
By the way, I'm more and more convinced about my assumption that there are bad production series and better ones:
Today I had my device connected to my PC through USB for a couple of hours. In the meantime, I was downloading and deleting messages, watching google video on opera, after that I used wifi etc.
In this situation, my first Diamond would have got hot like hell and my hand could barely stand the pain...
Since many people were complaining about over-heat problems, I thought that was a common problem with Diamond.
But the new one did not get that hot. Just a little over-warmed, but definitely not too hot. From that phenomenon, I can see what I felt about a better touch-flow behaviour, a better GPS and so on is a part of a whole:
I was first sold a ****ty phone, and now I finally got a proper Diamond!
People with bad series, you don't have to cope with all those troubles, ask for a replacement phone!
my diamond gets heated up quite a bit at times....but i dont fully uderstand what exactly is the cause.....i've had experiences with the diamond getting pretty hot while using wifi & or gps and on another occasion i was watching a DVDRIP via wifi(@ full power) using core player and also with gps cycle running in the backgroud, still the diamond stayed well within reasonable limits.
i think it has to be a software problem, possibly the radio s/w
would you mind sharing the radio version of your diamond?
As written in my signature, I'm using the 1.00.25 which is included in all latest official ROMs.
By the way, I hope you did not cast a spell on me! (just kidding)
Today I experienced my first grey screen!!!
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
Just for one second, looking like an old black and white TV screen trying to tune on channels.
Hope that was the first and last time. In ordinary calls, (without being synchronized to the PC at the same time, it never happened so far...
sorry to hear that my friend
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
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I'd the same experience except for the fact that my diamond wasn't connected to a PC.
I hard reseted my diamond yesterday, but the grey splash while i turn on the display from standby(post 3) still exists ( ......i don't suppose its a software problem anymore.
blufade said:
i don't suppose its a software problem anymore.
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Why not trying to send it back to the seller and get a new one?
This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!
This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!
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not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.
I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.
As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)
blufade said:
not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.
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You can stay there and wait for 5 more minutes in the shop while they are attending other customers, just to proove your point.
If they are honest, they will not deny the fact!
foxium said:
I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.
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knave said:
As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)
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There might be some tweaks in the cooked ROMs that avoid the problem, or it might be due to some bad flashing or defective hardware.
If not, how do you explain that I've never experienced this with my previous HTC phones (wizard, Trinity...) nor I experienced it with my Diamonds (the first one and the new one) with stock or cooked ROMs.
except for that very special time, when I received a call while downloading messages through Active Sync.
Hi all!
I have two phones - one in my car and one in my pocket. I've been noticing that a lot of people only wait for like one ring (on my diamond) before hanging up, so I figured I should compare with my car phone with a twin SIM. Now, the car phone will ring for almost 20-25 seconds before the diamond starts, and I can only have a 30 sec delay before the call goes to voice mail.
Anyone else noticed this? HTC tech support told me to do a hard reset, but since I've already done two of those in the last week I doubt that'll do much for me.
I'd appreciate any help!
Cheers
tiwas2 said:
Hi all!
I have two phones - one in my car and one in my pocket. I've been noticing that a lot of people only wait for like one ring (on my diamond) before hanging up, so I figured I should compare with my car phone with a twin SIM. Now, the car phone will ring for almost 20-25 seconds before the diamond starts, and I can only have a 30 sec delay before the call goes to voice mail.
Anyone else noticed this? HTC tech support told me to do a hard reset, but since I've already done two of those in the last week I doubt that'll do much for me.
I'd appreciate any help!
Cheers
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There's been various threads on this particular issue... although the delays most people experience are in the "up to 3 seconds" mark.. Apparently a 1-2 second delay is normal for windows - whereas you say the delay in yours is 20-25 seconds!
You may want to check the size of your ringtone file to see if it's too big or;
Also, have a look here to see if there's anything that might help....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258109
(also, do a search and check out the other threads relating to this topic)
You haven't told us what ROM you're using, but if nothing else works and you're confident in following instructions, there's a sticky thread in the "....Diamond ROMs ...." section of this forum that goes through step by step on how to flash you're ROM with a nicely cooked version, courtesy of the hard-working chefs.... (just a reminder that you do this at your own risk - but it's not as scary as it seems!)
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the reply, and sorry about not mentioning the ROM version I'm running. It's actually a Panosha (sp?) 2.0 with one of the newer radios. I already tried the "long wav fix" but to no avail, so I'm actually thinking about flashing it back to stock to see if that fixes it :S
Cheers!
Just install the WM5 patch you can find on this forum. It solved the issue for me. No anymore delay..
genfersee said:
Just install the WM5 patch you can find on this forum. It solved the issue for me. No anymore delay..
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YES IT WORKS....I USE IT ON EVERY ROM I FLASH
oppss sorry for shouting
here you go......don't worrie is does work on the diamond too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258109
Occassionally (more often than not) my keyboard, button keys and touch screen are unresponsive, where I need to hold down the key, or press it multiple times for it to register.
I tried searching but wasn't sure what keywords to search for. Has anyone else had this issue, or know where I can find the info to resolve it?
Thanks!
ROM? Hard-SPL?
Ultimate-X.V8.2G
How do I find the spl?
Also, I had an issue with my previous ROM version. I figured it was due to the ROM, but since I reproduced the problem on the new one now I'm not so sure. Any ideas?
axebox said:
Ultimate-X.V8.2G
How do I find the spl?
Also, I had an issue with my previous ROM version. I figured it was due to the ROM, but since I reproduced the problem on the new one now I'm not so sure. Any ideas?
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Go into bootloader to find Hard-SPL i imagine you using 3.29 if you used the noob guide to flash and not upgraded since.
You can get into Bootloader by pressing camera button holding in for 2-3 sec and placing the stylus in the reset hole.
The way to find out if hardware would be to flash Stock ROM that is in the WIKI, if fine then may be worth updating to 3.34 then flashing custom ROM.
got the same problem. i think its an problem with my carrier. it seems, that my kaiser are trying to connect to an better antenna. those search tasks slow your kaiser down. you can try it by disabeling your cell phone function.
second to that, the carrier, i got the same problem, but just happend when the cell phone radio of my kaiser its on!!! i see this problem in a HP IPAQ 6XXX and in a TYTN 1 too, help plz its a horrible lag! i am tring to tweak some phone funtions with the registry, regards
Maybe should flash a new radio, check the wiki for 'how to'.
Or the ultimate radio thread. I also suggest everybody to read the wiki and the 'sticky's, sticky was set for a reason.
hey i got the 3.28.407.0 German Rom on my device. What is the best radio for it?
Hey everyone, I'm VERY new to this forum. I have no idea if this post belongs here, so if it doesn't please forgive me. I have spent a lot of time "ghosting" this forum for advice as well as tips and I can't seem to find any threads specifically tethered to my questions.
First off, I'm not even sure I should be posting here because I'm unsure on whether or not questions about the FUZE should be in the Raphael section. I know it's the same phone but I couldn't find one specifically for the FUZE.
Anyway, I'm having a couple problems (mainly with the new rom 5.11 from the htc website.)
The first and formost, I hate the new messaging style they have. I carry my phone in my pocket, and I hate how my phone wakes up every time I get a text message. My screen keeps getting touched after I get a text and ends up pressing things I don't want it to. Also, it used to be that if you kept a convo opened, all the texts you received would count as read. Not the case anymore. I now have to open and close the conversation once for each message I received. 10 messages means opening and closing 10 times. That's ridiculous...I don't want to have to spend a lot of time getting my phone to register I read the texts. My last problem with the messaging, is I used to be able to open the keyboard, and start typing, not worrying about trying o find the last message I received. Unfortunately, now I have to scroll all the way down to read the message, and I have to click the entry box to type. The last one isn't really that big of a problem, it's just more of an inconvience.
The next problem I'm having is my phone likes to use WAY too much battery to do anything. Even when I have no programs running in the task manager, my usage is at 48% (give or take 2%). I know I read somewhere on XDA about a rom that uses 25%, and starts up quickly, but I have no idea where I read that.
I'm not looking for people to just hand me answers or programs or anything like that, but if you guys can just link me to the thread containing where I could possibly find what I'm looking for. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance guys, Nitro
Hey Nitro i'm going to try and answer your questions (since im still somewhat new im not sure ill be 100% right but ill try =D) ok so for the messaging thing. that is a rom specific thing i think. Becasue i am using a WinMo 6.5 rom and dont have that issue. As for the second thing im not sure if its a WinMo 6.1 problem but i kind of remeber it being a reason i switched to 6.5. Now for battery life you should go into the roms section and look for some kind of rom that says something about energy (usualy there is one in the top list). How ever most of the new rom's are on 6.5 so... you will have to either look far back in the pages or upgrade (and maby if your lucky there might be a 6.1 in the top list.) The energy rom's will also affect your ram usage but be warned it will have an impact on how fast your phone is. So you might have to do a bit of testing to see which ones are for you. Also when looking for the rom make sure it says for the fuze on that page if it is not you can still use it (however you will need to get a thing called keyboard switcher because its really funny when you are trying to send an email and press the @ on your keyboard and get the number 2 =P. Any way here is a link to the roms Link to roms
Thanks for the reply.
I had no idea WM 6.5 was even out...That's awesome. I'm gonna play around a bit with those roms to see if one is better...Thanks for your help
So today I found another big problem I have with the rom I have...I can no longer send a text to more then one person at a time...Why did they take that out?? I used to be able to send a message to a bunch of people, and it worked perfectly, but now it only registered the first person. I noe have to send the same message 15 times just so everyone gets it...Like seriously, As if the rom using 50% power isn't enough, let's make people take 10 minutes to do something that should take 30 seconds. I officially hate the software devs at HTC.
Just as a funny side note, it took me 4-5 min to write this message, and my battery went from 100% down to 92%...AWESOME! God I hate this.
Hello there
You may want to flash a new ROM and Radio to your phone. Its not a difficult task and you will like the results. I personally use NRG's ROM Here and love it.
The radio rom is really what conserves battery life. I matched the latest one on the radio page here to the rom i linked above ( Radio 1.14.25.35) . Its a good combination if you ask me. I see that you are just north of me in PA ( Im in Baltimore ) and also on ATT. To be honest you may have to play with radios until you find the balance between signal strength and battery. What works for me may work for you because we are in the same general area with the same cellular provider. My battery has been off charge for more than 2 hrs and im at 98% ( although ive been on my laptop for the most part).
As far as accidentally hitting buttons, I use a slide lock on my screen ( like the Iphone screen lock) so when it turns on, you have to use the slider to unlock it. This will not only lock your phone from accidental misdials and screen taps, but also it shuts the screen BACK OFF after a set number of seconds therefore conserving your battery !!!!!! This is the application I use . Download the VGA version.
If you need help, feel free to send me a PM here and Ill do my best
P.S.
This is the right place to make a post. A Fuze is a Raphael.