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All the ad sites for Tilt says it has irDA. When i try to install a remote control app, it says no IR port. I also tried it with my IBM T60. It is not detected. irDA is not in Tilt as advertised?????? shame!!!!
sundar_amn said:
All the ad sites for Tilt says it has irDA. When i try to install a remote control app, it says no IR port. I also tried it with my IBM T60. It is not detected. irDA is not in Tilt as advertised?????? shame!!!!
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always search the Wiki first - I've answered this q there. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...nnections - Beam - Receive all incoming beams
As the poster above sort of says, the beam in the device refers to sending and accepting files via BT - as it doesnt have IR.
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All the ad sites for Tilt says it has irDA. When i try to install a remote control app, it says no IR port. I also tried it with my IBM T60. It is not detected. irDA is not in Tilt as advertised?????? shame!!!!
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Really, which ad said it has irDA? None I saw said that, so certainly not all had that. As stated above, the Tilt and TyTN II do not have it.
I bought the tilt thru wirefly.com. The product specification says it. Below are the links. Moderator, i should have searched before i asked. sorry about that. The conclusion is no IRDA. I really liked the PPC remote for TV / DVD and other remote controled devices.
http://www.wirefly.com/HelperPages/...35&action=swap&dest=&phoneId=27003&viewmode=1
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/968513/Beaming+???/post/8211955/Beaming+????t=anon
sundar_amn said:
I bought the tilt thru wirefly.com. The product specification says it. Below are the links. Moderator, i should have searched before i asked. sorry about that. The conclusion is no IRDA. I really liked the PPC remote for TV / DVD and other remote controled devices.
http://www.wirefly.com/HelperPages/...35&action=swap&dest=&phoneId=27003&viewmode=1
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/968513/Beaming+???/post/8211955/Beaming+????t=anon
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Well, you should let them know thier specs are wrong. I didn't contend no one listed it. I did take issue with your saying they "all" said it.
sundar_amn said:
I bought the tilt thru wirefly.com. The product specification says it. Below are the links. Moderator, i should have searched before i asked. sorry about that. The conclusion is no IRDA. I really liked the PPC remote for TV / DVD and other remote controled devices.
http://www.wirefly.com/HelperPages/...35&action=swap&dest=&phoneId=27003&viewmode=1
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/968513/Beaming+???/post/8211955/Beaming+????t=anon
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This is exactly why you should always do your homework before purchasing such an expensive device. Did you actually go on HTC's website and check the specs?
I havent noticed a visible IRDA port on my device but I was able to beam a contact from one phone to another. It took some wierd positioning of the phone but it did work. Seemed like it worked from the left hand side of the phone. I didnt use bluetooth, unless the tilt automatically attempts using bluetooth withut saying if it doesnt have irda?
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I havent noticed a visible IRDA port on my device but I was able to beam a contact from one phone to another. It took some wierd positioning of the phone but it did work. Seemed like it worked from the left hand side of the phone. I didnt use bluetooth, unless the tilt automatically attempts using bluetooth withut saying if it doesnt have irda?
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The Tilt/TyTN II/Kaiser 100% definitely does NOT have irDA. If it did beam, it used BT. But then the receiving device would also have to have BT and it needed to be switched on.
The Tilt/TyTN II/Kaiser does (I beleive) automatically enable BT to beam.
Hi, I know this is an old thread. Let me put what I found anyway. The 8925 Tilt does not have IR. However, on selecting the Beam under settings, engage recieve beams and you can send stuff to it with BlueTooth. I just fired up the old 8525 and sent over some of the contacts with the extended info (extra numbers, picture, ringtone) and the 8525 connected BlueTooth without a hitch.
Understanding that you were more interested in employing the IR as a remote control. I noticed a number of hits on a Bing for BlueTooth to IR. It would seem the last couple of years have spawned a number of IR handoff devices that recieve your BT command and pass it off to PS3, etc with IR projections. Some appeared to have a combination of WiFi function which would extend your range from device drastically.
I know this original bit was like 3 years old. And solutions are old hat.
i HAVE A KAISER TILT ALSO KNOW AS ATT TILT AND AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS TO MY NOKIA BLUETOOTH CAR KIT HAS ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE I NEED TO ADD TO THE PHONE. I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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dude? why?
hey man sorry that guy was such a jerk dont want that to be your first expericne here as long as you search before asking most people will be more then willing to help you. sorry i cant help ya though. my only guess is maybe did you install a wm 6.1 rom? they have some probems with bluetooth but i dont think thats it
Did you try it without Jetware? Made sure your bluetooth was set as discoverable? Paired the device? The more info YOU provide as to what you've done, tried, & what setup you've done it with...the beter the help & answers you'll get.
I'd suggest filtering through the following threads. There have been similar problems fixed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364559&highlight=Kaiser+Nokia+car+kit
In the above thread the original poster solved his nokia carkit issue following this:
1. Pair the TyTN II to the car (Nokia HT-2) phone.
2. Switch car ignition OFF and switch off TyTN II.
3. Remove SIM from TyTN II.
4. Place SIM into a compatible phone (in my case Nokia N95).
5. Switch on N95, switch on Bluetooth, switch on Remote SIM access.
6. Change the Bluetooth ID name on the N95 to the same as the TyTN II.
7. Make phone discoverable via Bluetooth.
8. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
9. Using car controls search for new device.
10. When N95 is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as the TyTN II (if you selected the same name for the Bluetooth ID).
11. On the car browse to Settings - Phonebook - Update, this will then import all your contacts from your N95 (or compatible phone).
12. Switch off ignition and switch off N95.
13. Replace SIM back to TyTN II.
14. Ensure TyTN II Bluetooth is ON, Remote SIM is ON and the phone is Discoverable.
15. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
16. Using car controls search for new device.
17. When TyTN II is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as before.
18. Now browse the car Phonebook as normal - All your contacts are now available for you to use.
19. Don't forget to turn off discoverability on the TyTN II and to rename your compatible phone (N95) to prevent any future conflicts.
This worked for me! I hope it will work for you! Good Luck!
I did try it with removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts is there anyother patch or software more compatable with nokia bluetooth devices. Jet ware is good but wont let me disconect call when done any one else have an issue like this
BOBBYDS1 is your connection between the Kaiser and the Car Kit using Bluetooth as a headset (in other words the phone still functions and you can look up and dial with the phone) or is it using rSAP (Remote Sim) which switches your Kaiser into flight mode.
I ask this as it will determine which way you look for a solution. If its using rSAP then most Nokia systems that are fitted into cars as factory fit have not yet developed the correct software to communicate with Windows Mobile devices, in which case you will need to remove Jetware from you Kaiser and use my solution on a previous post as quoted above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...+Nokia+car+kit
Mark
The phone still functions as i can disconnect by the phone it self here is the thing sometimes I can disconnect call by the nokia bluetooth device but a lot of times I cannot disconnect, i have to pull phone out of my pocket and end call
@BOBBYDS1 and fb.knight
No offence guys, but you need to go back to Junior High and learn how to use commas, question marks and letter cases.
Posts like that will rarely get you any kind of a reasonable response.
what nokia bluetooth car kit are you trying to use?
Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
IT is a Nokia CK15-w Bluetooth Car kit Here is a link to it. http://www.nokiausa.com/A4431279
Also I can surf the internet while it is connected to the bluetooth.
Looks like that model supports:
Hands-free Profile 1.5, Phonebook Access Profile 1.0
(Source: Nokia Europe
The Kaiser supports:
File Transfer Profile, SIM Access Profile (rSAP), Dial-Up Networking Profile, Personal Area Networking Profile, Hands-Free Profile 1.5, Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (I'm guessing A2DP)
(Source: www.theunwired.net
So I'm guessing that whilst it will work as a glorified headset, you have no chance of getting your contacts downloaded! Should be able to get them from your SIM, just not the main memory. Wonder why Nokia removed the rSAP profile? It was on their 610 (rSAP only) 616 (rSAP and Handsfree) then from the 810 and CK-15 it seems to be handsfree only. This could be why so many are having problems with Nokia carkits, Nokia went and changed the supported bluetooth profiles. Funny, I would have thought the newer the model, the more it would have done, but I guess not! Glad I looked into this as I was thinking about 'upgrading' to the 810 for the full handset, guess I won't be now!
I am getting confused, I downloaded the jetstream program to the phone and was able to download the contact list no problem. The problem i am having is when i make a call from the nokia bluetooth when I am done and hit the endcall button on the nokia it does not end the call, I have to pull out the phone and hit the end button on the phone itself. any suggestions on how to correct this.
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I am getting confused,
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Not as much as everyone else reading your post and trying to help!
BOBBYDS1 said:
AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS
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ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST
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I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL.
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removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts
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So downloading contacts isn't your problem, hanging up whilst having jetware installed is? Better post would have been something along the lines of:
"I'm having trouble ending calls on my Kaiser using the end button on my Nokia CK-15 carkit. I installed the Jetware program to enable downloading contacts, but this stops the end key working on the Kaiser, before this it was working fine just the carkit couldn't download contacts. Does anyone know of any settings in Jetware I can try, that would restore the end key function, or other software that would still enable me to download contacts and have and end key?" - That might have got you an answer sooner...
Right, the phone as it comes doesn't support phonebook access, thus you won't be able to download your contacts. Actually, none of the Nokia bluetooth carkits support downloading contacts from the internal memory of a Windows Mobile device, probably because no Nokia uses Windows Mobile (yet).
You add something like Jetware which gives you the ability to access the phonebook, but then you are unable to end a call via the carkit. My best guess is Jetware does something which interupts the commands from the carkit. I'm also guessing your stuck with either having contacts download or and end call option. Add Jetware back and play with it's settings. You may get lucky. However bluetooth is very buggy and the only way to get 2 devices to work perfectly with eachother without running the risk of having to fiddle or loose something is to buy them from the same manufacturer and check they are fully compatible with eachother. Two devices from 2 manufacturers don't always work.
Here are some examples:
Old Ericsson headset, will work perfectly with my old HTC phone and can't even be seen by my Kaiser. Slightly newer one (that has an LCD for caller ID) will work once connected until I switch it off, then requires the old HTC phone to be soft reset before it will connect again. Works perfectly with the Kaiser. Brand new, cheapy Motorola headset does what it feels like with no consistency on my older HTC, again works perfectly on the Kaiser. My Nokia 610 carkit will connect to both phones, but whilst the older phone needs to be soft reset before turning off the ignition (otherwise the phone part of things crashes), the Kaiser will connect and disconnect just as Nokia intend. The carkit will only download SIM contacts. The fix posted above isn't really a fix, it's fooling the carkit into thinking that another phone (the Nokia N95) is the kaiser, downloading the contacts from it and then reconnecting the real Kaiser. Not a fix, but a brilliant workaround.
Also noticed that the CK-15 uses bluetooth version 1.2, the Kaiser bluetooth version 2. This might be something to do with it.
In short, I think you will have to live with either a phonebook, or an end function. Welcome to the wonderful world of bluetooth. It also doesn't help that Nokia hasa a history of making devices which don't work with anything other than another Nokia device...
Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2. Also is there a way to contact jetware besides email as they dont reply.
In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2
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I seriously doubt anyone will be writing a bluetooth stack v1.2 for the Kaiser anytime soon. I also have a feeling that the versions are hardware, not software related, so its impossible. I think you may have to accept that the Kaiser and Nokia will never play nicely. Why don't you install Jetware, sync your contacts, then either disable it (I'm sure I remember an option in the settings when I tried it previously) or just delete the program? You could keep the installer cab on your device somewhere as its only 500kb for when you need to reinstall it?
If there isn't a phone number on the jetware homepage, I'm betting you can't call them. But I did notice there is an advanced set-up options menu. Did you try unchecking all the boxes apart from phonebooks? If the "hang-up/swap to incomming call" option is unchecked, Jetware should pass that command to the phones standard bluetooth software and give you back your end key. From the Jetware site:
"When this option is unchecked the Extension will allow hang up commands to be processed by the built-in code, which will disconnect all active voice calls."
If it's currently checked, try unchecking it.
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In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Have you read the manual? In my 610 manual, it tells me I can choose to dowload phone, SIM, or phone and SIM memory. Does yours?
Now it seems that call waiting is not working in the bluetooth unit, itried the settings both ways in jetware but still no go. any ideas
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Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
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Well, since you asked, it should be 'it's', not 'its'.
I'm curious on development of IR transmission systems for the Kaiser.
First of all, where is the IR transmitter? Usually these are LED looking transmitters that emit the IR light. If not visible, usually a shield with a darkred filter is applied.
I don't see it on the Kaiser anywhere.
Second, if there is an IR transmitter, I wonder if anyone has developed software to control TV's and such.
(WM6 does have a 'beam to' option on stock ATT rom, I'm assuming it's available.)
There is no IR in the Kaiser.
Sorry
Kaiser doesn't have a IR transmitter.......I wish......I have a program too for a T.v. remote....It works great on my 8525..
Peace
mike
Quick answers. Thanks then. Wish I could delete this thread.
Why do you want to delete this thread, I just learned something - thanks! I was wondering the same thing.
I have been trying to transfer files w/ a friend - he has the Mogul, we can't seem to do it, any tips on that?
I assume we are to use the bluetooth to transfer but so far no luck.
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Why do you want to delete this thread, I just learned something - thanks! I was wondering the same thing.
I have been trying to transfer files w/ a friend - he has the Mogul, we can't seem to do it, any tips on that?
I assume we are to use the bluetooth to transfer but so far no luck.
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make sure u both enable beam.......yea, i know, you're using bluetooth, but u still need to enable it to transfer files.
enable bluetooth and make sure the receiver not only has BT enabled but is set to be discoverable. =)
Ok i know this feature is for car kits...BUT i had an idea in the past and i never investigated it and now forgot why i thought of it in the first place lol but would it be possible to enable BT Sim Access on your Kaiser and use ANOTHER device (in my case a WM Smartphone "HTC Tornado") to act as a carkit and use that BT Sim access to use data or make calls? Is there a program out there or anything...just wondering..it might sound stupid or crazy but its worth a shot..
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Ok i know this feature is for car kits...BUT i had an idea in the past and i never investigated it and now forgot why i thought of it in the first place lol but would it be possible to enable BT Sim Access on your Kaiser and use ANOTHER device (in my case a WM Smartphone "HTC Tornado") to act as a carkit and use that BT Sim access to use data or make calls? Is there a program out there or anything...just wondering..it might sound stupid or crazy but its worth a shot..
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One day i was playing with my old N95 and found a BT Hack app or something like this. I took my mom's phone and authorize the BTR connection. I could read her contatcs, send sms'es and make calls, but i could hear and send the voice with that. So that only worked as a dialer.
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Is it possible to connect two devices to Kaiser with bluetooth simultaneously? If I have already connected to kaiser with my Plantronics headset then I can't connect my TomTom 930T navigator to kaiser simultaneously. Is there any utility program or tweak to help me with this issue?
searching would help, but no it isn't possible. You can pair with many devices but you cannot have multiple streams, its part of the bluetooth protocol.
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searching would help, but no it isn't possible. You can pair with many devices but you cannot have multiple streams, its part of the bluetooth protocol.
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Ok, thanks!
illusion said:
searching would help, but no it isn't possible. You can pair with many devices but you cannot have multiple streams, its part of the bluetooth protocol.
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If it wasn't possible, just how long would you expect the OP to keep searching?
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If it wasn't possible, just how long would you expect the OP to keep searching?
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For incorrect info?
Juraus, the first reply you received was incorrect. How do I know? I'm doing it now with my hermes.
I have a call to a wired phone going now, listening to the sounds of my typing this very message in my bluetooth ear piece while at the same time watching my bluetooth GPS receiver track and send data to the HTC GPS Tool.
Oh yes, this is all under WM6.0
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For incorrect info?
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My point exactly.
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Juraus, the first reply you received was incorrect. How do I know? I'm doing it now with my hermes.
I have a call to a wired phone going now, listening to the sounds of my typing this very message in my bluetooth ear piece while at the same time watching my bluetooth GPS receiver track and send data to the HTC GPS Tool.
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Those are different connections, and yes you can do that. You can't connect 2 mono headsets and use them arbitrarily for calling as the OP suggest though. You'll "set as hands-free" one of them in the bluetooth settings, then when you place or get a call it will be routed to that one even if you have another one paired and powered on until you go in the settings again and set that one as hands-free.
If it wasn't possible, just how long would you expect the OP to keep searching?
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Until he found another thread giving the answer, i.e. saying it's not possible
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For incorrect info?
Juraus, the first reply you received was incorrect. How do I know? I'm doing it now with my hermes.
I have a call to a wired phone going now, listening to the sounds of my typing this very message in my bluetooth ear piece while at the same time watching my bluetooth GPS receiver track and send data to the HTC GPS Tool.
Oh yes, this is all under WM6.0
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You can have multiple streams, but you cannot stream the same data to multiple endpoints without some decent hackery. Such as having 2 audio streams at the same time to output the same exact audio to a headset and to another BTA device. Before calling someone incorrect know what you're talking about. I've worked on backend products for bluetooth, bluewire(proprietary bluetooth light), and even some zigbee headaches and stand where my original post was. You CANNOT have multiple streams of the same data going to multiple endpoints.
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You can have multiple streams, but you cannot stream the same data to multiple endpoints without some decent hackery. Such as having 2 audio streams at the same time to output the same exact audio to a headset and to another BTA device. Before calling someone incorrect know what you're talking about. I've worked on backend products for bluetooth, bluewire(proprietary bluetooth light), and even some zigbee headaches and stand where my original post was. You CANNOT have multiple streams of the same data going to multiple endpoints.
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That's nice what you worked on, good for you.
And I can call someone incorrect on a post when it is not what the OP was asking about.
Quote:
"Is it possible to connect two devices to Kaiser with bluetooth simultaneously? If I have already connected to kaiser with my Plantronics headset then I can't connect my TomTom 930T navigator to kaiser simultaneously."
No where did the OP post anything about multiple headsets or similar devices. The question was about a headset and a GPS receiver.
Your post:
"You can pair with many devices but you cannot have multiple streams"
That reads that one can have multiple devices set up to connect to a given device, but can't use them at the same time.
I posted that it was incorrect as I was doing it when I made my post.
Besides, your reply to my post just said it was possible, at least in theory.
Quote:
"you cannot stream the same data to multiple endpoints without some decent hackery"
So, to modify one of your lines, know what the original post was asking before posting incorrect info and then trying to slap your knowledge size on the table when someone calls you on it.
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"Is it possible to connect two devices to Kaiser with bluetooth simultaneously? If I have already connected to kaiser with my Plantronics headset then I can't connect my TomTom 930T navigator to kaiser simultaneously."
No where did the OP post anything about multiple headsets or similar devices. The question was about a headset and a GPS receiver.
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Well, from what we understand, he actually does!
The Tomtom GPS is not there to provide GPS data, but has a function to act as a headset (the Tomtom has a speaker and mic, and can be used as a hands free and to accept/reject calls or dial from its screen while your phone is in your pocket).
So the Tomtom in this case IS a "headset", so the end question really was about a headset and a headset - to which the "not possible" answer applied correctly... or the OP wasn't clear enough about the use of the GPS, but AFAIK the "integrated" Tomtoms can't provide nav data over BT anyway so there's not much choice
So, [...] know what the original post was asking before posting incorrect info and then trying to slap your knowledge size on the table when someone calls you on it.
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Kind return of this one to yourself
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Well, from what we understand, he actually does!
The Tomtom GPS is not there to provide GPS data, but has a function to act as a headset (the Tomtom has a speaker and mic, and can be used as a hands free and to accept/reject calls or dial from its screen while your phone is in your pocket).
So the Tomtom in this case IS a "headset", so the end question really was about a headset and a headset - to which the "not possible" answer applied correctly... or the OP wasn't clear enough about the use of the GPS, but AFAIK the "integrated" Tomtoms can't provide nav data over BT anyway so there's not much choice
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Ah yes, that does change things a bit. I thought that the TomTom device mentioned was similar to the one that Garmin offers as there is TomTom software available for the WM platform. In that respect, I apologize to illusion as I didn't have all the facts, nor did the OP fully explain what they were trying to do.
So, assuming that the OP was indeed trying to make use of the hands free parts of the TomTom, then no, it won't work with the headset at the same time as the TomTom appears to play the part of a speakerphone, which would exclude the use of the headset.
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More or less. However, I stand by my initial reply as illusions' post, as written, says that one can not have multiple devices 'talking' to the PDA via bluetooth at the same time, which is possible, as long as they are not trying to access the same data stream (multiple headsets).
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More or less. However, I stand by my initial reply as illusions' post, as written, says that one can not have multiple devices 'talking' to the PDA via bluetooth at the same time
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Hehe
To me he just simplified, not putting the fully detailed answer but just the one that applied in the OP's case.
But yeah, the little bit of "ink" it saved actually got multiplied to a much greater amount in the end