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Question on GPA/Data usage on Kaiser

Hi, when I get my Kaiser it will be my first jump into the world of GPS. I have a simple question.
Do I need an internet connection while I'm using the GPS Software, or does it work offline?

javisan23 said:
Hi, when I get my Kaiser it will be my first jump into the world of GPS. I have a simple question.
Do I need an internet connection while I'm using the GPS Software, or does it work offline?
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GPS uses satellites so the answer to your question is "No"; however, if you want live traffic updates then that might require an internet connection.

Thanks
Thank you very much for the info.

Also, it depends on what navigation software you choose. Software like Tomtom, Route66 etc... install the maps to your memory card so no internet connection is needed (except as mentioned above for traffic information etc..)
However, it is worth noting that some GPS software doesn't actually install all the map information, it actually downloads it as you go along and this is via your GPRS/3G connection so these can be pretty costly if you don't have a tarriff which is good for data.
I use Tomtom on my Vario 2 (hermes) and have found it is an excellent program.

GPS without 3G/edge?

i bought a tilt yesterday and it is my first smartphone. I already flashed it to Dutty's v1.1. With my plan i rely on wifi so i didnt get any data plan.
Without 3g, edge, gprs how can i get GPS to work with my TILT that doesnt cost money?
Anyone want to help a noobout?? If you could teach me some stuff PM!!!

GPS does not cost money because it doesn't uses GPRS/EDGES etc - unless you install and run QuickGPS (or similar). GPS is only receiving freely available satellite info
QuickGPS is a service that helps the GPS unit get its first fix quicker and this uses the internet and hence GPRS/EDGE - but it is optional, so if you are prepared to wait a minute of two to get a good GPS fix, then GPS will not cost you a penny.

how do you get the free gps though?

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean by "how do you get the free gps though?". Because as Weasel said, GPS IS Free. Do you mean how do you get free software (i.e. TOMTOM)?

unk3 said:
how do you get the free gps though?
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You already have it, in form of your GPS receiver in your device. If you are wondering how you can get programs/maps to run your GPS with, well there is really just one option for you:
Buy some software! The market is flooded with GPS software, to name a few:
TomTom
iGo
Garmin XT
Destinator
MioMap
and so on...
If you had a data plan, you could use Google Maps in combination with your GPS (google maps is free).
Alternatively, if you are more about using your GPS functionality for hiking, off-road travel,... then I recommend:
GPSTuner 5.2 (excellent software for off-road)
Track-Me (You get this in the Kaiser > Kaiser forum. Great piece of software, and so far it's free)
Either way, you'll need software to make use of the hardware.
Hope this helps a bit.
H.

A good free option would be MGMaps, which uses stored maps and doesn't need to transfer data (however it can do it if you wish).

i guess what im trying to say is, Where can i download "MAPs" or the software that has maps for free.
I tried using googlemaps, but i can only use it when im in a wifi area lol

Simple Problem...(I guess)

Ok, I have never used the GPS feature on my Kaiser(Once a Tilt) till now. I have never needed to cause I didnt have a data plan. I used the routers at school and my house for internet. I got TT7 and I got a data plan cause TomTom is amazing. My GPS doesnt like to work. TomTom says their is no Device Detected. QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps? Just a point in the right direction would help. (FWI, HD_III_OPAL WWE, 1.65.24.36)

DemoShadow said:
....my Kaiser(Once a Tilt)
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What does that mean? Have you added a camera and changed the case as well as the ROM?
QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps?
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Fails in what way? The TyTN II I have, works ok with the version of Tomtom Navigator it came with but as TTN 7 isn't officially released (yet?) as an upgrade, all I can suggest is to go back to basics, perhaps trying the setup on my TyTN II in my sig. Otherwise maybe someone who's used TTN 7 on the TyTN II can advise you. Do a search in the Kaiser software forum, there were lots of GPS related posts in there.

I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?

DemoShadow said:
I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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if your set has an inbuilt GPS reciever then it should be free irrespective of what plan you have ...except for whatever you need to shell out to buy the gps software and maps...

DemoShadow said:
I*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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It depends which Kaiser and where it was bought. The HTC Original TyTN II sold here in the UK came with TTN 6.032 on CDROM in the box but just like with the version you have it only allowed free download of one 'city' map. Any additional maps had to be bought and the number that went with the map could only be used on that device.

DemoShadow said:
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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The Kaiser's GPS receiver is integrated in the phone and doesn't need anything network-related to function (so yes, it's free in itself). It will give any program that wants it the current position, speed, heading etc of the phone.
I.e. there was no point in you "not using the GPS because you didn't have a data plan".
Then what might require a data plan or paying something is the program in question. There are 2 types of programs, those like Google maps or MS Live that are free to download and use, but DO need a data connection as they will download the map data from the net on request while navigating.
The other type like TomTom, MioMap etc do NOT need data as they store the entire maps locally on the memory card, however they are payware so you have to buy them in the first place.

How to use the GPS built in ?

I just bought a Htc 8925 and i heard that it has a gps built in the phone. but i could not figure it out how to use the gps without paying the monthly fees. So please let me know any options that i could do to make my phone work like a gps or at lease help me to get where i want to go. thank you very much

GPS Programs
Hello Shadowluan,
This is a problem I once had too, and I found that you only have to subscribe to programs like telenav or pay GPS programs like tom tom. The two standard yet excellent free gps applications I use are Windows Live Search http://livesearchmobile.com/windows_mobile.htm, and Google Maps http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps/index.html. However, the free programs do not do everything a good pricey GPS program will do. However, you should use quick GPS under programs > tools before connecting, as it can greatly reduce the time it takes to connect to the satellites. Hope I've helped,
Dave

Download google maps for pocket pc. When it's open check off use gps.

hi, i have google maps already, but whenever i use it, it says i have to have a data connection. if i check off use gps like you said, how can i use google maps to show the direction? thank you very much

Can I use google maps or windows live search to find the direction i want without data connection or Wifi or any internet stuff. because i think htc 8925 has gps built in right? thanks

GPS Usage
Hello Shadowluan,
Windows live search can show direction once it has a satellite connection established and an active internet connection. However, as far as I know, there is no free GPS program that can show maps without an internet connection over At&t or wifi or some other internet connection. Having maps installed on the device I believe is only a feature of the pricey programs. Hope I've helped,
Dave

shadowluan said:
Can I use google maps or windows live search to find the direction i want without data connection or Wifi or any internet stuff. because i think htc 8925 has gps built in right? thanks
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The HTC 8925 HAS GPS built in, all it has is a device that sends your phone its Lat/Long Coordinates. You need a piece of software that can take that information and feed it into a map.
Google Maps and Windows Live, store their maps on a server and therefore require a data connection.
Other Programs put the maps on your Device, TomTom, iGo 2008, but these cost money.
Make your choice. Buy the Nav Program or pay the Data Charge.

GPS issue on AT&T Tilt [Please Help]

I have Tom Tom on my device and it was working great until recently when i blocked data on my account (I read somewhere here GPS doesn't use data) so now the GPS tracking doesn't work anymore. Is there a way to fix it or do i have to go put my data back on (and does GPS use alot of data so i have to purchase a plan?).
unlocked AT*T Tilt on Fido network

Now I don't know loads about GPS, but I do know that Assisted GPS (AGPS) uses data, and that helps you get a GPS fix by using pre-calculated information on a remote server. Though you are not using data to download maps if you are using Tom Tom, your GPS might have been using AGPS to speed up the time it takes for the GPS to locate you. As I mentioned though, I'm not super knowledgeable about GPS, so I might not be right. This is just a theory though.
Dave

Tom Tom use does not require a data plan for operation.
The tilt has a built in GPS chip so it does not require assistance (data plan) to find your location like some other phones.
However if you use any of the features in Tom Tom that require an internet connection like Tom Tom traffic, you will need an internet connection (data plan).
TW,

Tiger Woods is correct (I just wanted to say that like I actualyl know TIger Woods)... But seriously...
Tom Tom and a few otehr programs do not require you to use aq data plan as mentioned.. These programs store their maps on your device (well, usually the microSD card)... The TomTom US map is nearly 1 gb... The advantage with this type of program is that you do not need to be within cellular range for it to work.. and it doesn;t use data for map info... The bad pat is you have to have a 1gb map sitting there takign up room on your card...
Other GPS programs like MS Live Search, Google, and many others stream in the map info from your data plan via cell tower... The GPS part itself doesn;t need the data plan, but the programs that operate this way do... You could be using "A-GPS"... It stands for Assisted GPS and is called that because the towers stream the GPS location that they are and assists your phone in figuring outs its location... Luckily the Tilt offers both A-GPS and "True"-GPS... so you can use it either way...
I would suggest buying a copy of TomTom and using that as it is great.. uses the true GPS.. and if you have a 2gb or higher microSD card you should be fine.. I use an 8gb myself and have tons of software installed on it, music, movies, tomtom, and more...
Plus I have also found that I can use ORB on my phone using pIE and stream full screen video or music from my computer (if you are in a wifi hot-spot)...
I hope I was helpful.... and took some of the pressure off of Tiger Woods helping you.. that guy neeeds to concentrate on his golf game...

On a trip back from vegas I was able to leave my phone on airplane mode and use gpstoday to watch our speed.

Disable AGPS (Assisted GPS) and you will be fine. If you dont know how than use the built-in search to find a tool to disable it.

just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps

cogcaviz24 said:
just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps
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correct, before using tomtom, you should:
1) update quickgps and/or quickposition if you have them
2) open gps with gpstest or htc_gps_tool (However if you are using htc_gps_tool you must leave it open)
3) open tomtom (w/assisted gps turned off of course)
I usually have zero issues now finding a satellite within a few seconds.

I have Tom-Tom. A fast lock comes from the data plan and since you have it off, you go solely on the GPS driver AT&T provides. I think your issue is not that the GPS is not working, but the GPS is taking forever to get a lock. When I have the Stock crapy AT&T rom installed and turn data off; it takes 10 to 15+ minutes to get a lock (same goes for 3 of my friends here in southern California USA). I have no idea why AT&T screwed this up; I think the change was to help battery life. So to fix this, I have started by using cooked ROMs, and finally use my own cooked ROMs. With my current Rom I get a REAL GPS lock in less than 2 minutes. Also I have found -G-'s DK 10 Final rom also has an extremely fast GPS lock. And Hyper Dragon is also somewhat fast 3-4 minutes. Have you tried a different Rom?