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Opera 9.5

Test shows it running on a touch, seems pretty fast to me:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/v...y-quick-slick/
Makes PIE look like complete rubbish, which it is.

why bash PIE?
it hasnt got a proper update for only 4 years?

Rather impressive that a four year old browser can do anything the rate sites are progressing!

Link is incorrect:/t
my link: http://www.opera.com/b2b/solutions/mobile/video/

deepfish-copy?

Except Deepfish has the pages rendered on MS's servers, then sent to the phone. That means 2x as slow, and no interactivity (no flash, no clicking on links). This is actually rendering the page on the phone.

I just want to know when is this going to be released? Does anyone know?

They are making a beta soon, but haven't released it yet.

hopefully they will let 8.65 owners use the same registration code...

hslayer said:
hopefully they will let 8.65 owners use the same registration code...
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Errrm, does my Opera 8.5 code let me upgrade to 8.65? Wouldn't hope too much
Anyway, what happened to v.9?
Looks good tho', and I though 8.65 looked quite nice. Only problem is the same thing that stopped me buying Opera (again) last time which is the exchange rate on the store.
All I need is to need more than Opera Mini

Its probably gonna be an upgrade for the 8.X series users and then 9.5 would probably another purchase and 9.0 would probably a better 8.x series.

Jozer99 said:
Except Deepfish has the pages rendered on MS's servers, then sent to the phone. That means 2x as slow, and no interactivity (no flash, no clicking on links). This is actually rendering the page on the phone.
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Why would deepfish be 2x as slow ?
it does 2x more path to reach your cell, but not 2x slower...
Basically that's what Opera Mini does : preprocessing on the server side, for optimised bandwidth & screen usage. (Blackberry servers also do that)
But back to Opera Mobile 9.5: I hope that will offer much better experience than Opera Mini (which is already the best IMHO)
Just because if they want us to pay, that has to be worth the money

-Delete for Brainfart moment

I saw the video for this today - cannot wait for the release!
Love opera 9.5 for PC so this could actually be something i'd pay for on WM

What about Skyfire.
http://www.skyfire.com/
The fact that it is free is great.

Its great how all these great web browsers are still in beta

After reading a comment related to netfront, I gave it a try.
These folks have made big improvements, the visual bookmarks are sexy
The browsing is fast like an Opera...
Now I'll hesitate between Opera Mini, Netfront 3.5 and Opera 9.5 if it goes public soon

Opera is comming to andoid

has some problems working with the touch interface since its java derived now, its just the opera mini

apatcas said:
has some problems working with the touch interface since its java derived now, its just the opera mini
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Opera Mini is really bad... Opera Mobile was pretty good (on Windows Mobile atleast).

Koush said:
Opera Mini is really bad... Opera Mobile was pretty good (on Windows Mobile atleast).
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I have to disagree. I found using ie explorer on my mda vario and even other windows mobile devices painfully slow. Once i tried opera mini i never went back. Web browsing on my mda vario with opera mini is still faster than the g1 with googles browser.
Dont get me wrong i love googles browser and the browsing is no where near as slow as what my vario was. But when opera mini comes out, if it works ill be using it.
The only downside to using opera mini i found was somewhat buggy downloads on occasions and not being able to copy links. Also on forums where you click images to enlarge didnt work.
Opera mini might even save you on battery since it reduces how much you have to download.

Its in the market now, opera 4.2 beta! Still it isnt as good as 3g internet of g1.

Stock browser much better
why even release something that isn't as good as the browser that comes with the phone?
I had a samsung instinct (sprint) and the stock browser was so bad (along with every other feature of the phone, except voice searching... still waiting google!!!) that this opera mini would have made the instinct feel like you've switched from a 56k modem to cable.
for the G1 on the other hand, this app is about as useful as 2 @$$holes (I guess 2 would be very useful if you were a porn star ). Still no imbedded flash and slower than stock, what was the point opera? Embarresment? Is the full version going to be that much better? I mean compared to beta, can't be much worst.
I'm sure the newer pda/smartphone/ppc users will revel in a commercial company converting a dumbphone program for the G1 (which shouldn't be dumbphone program compatible!!), but if you've been around the block with these gadgets (I've been around since original tungstens) then you'll understand why I am ranting about the flood of useless apps.

i couldnt agree more santos alot of the market apps are pointless makes g1 and android which is so great look bad

opera mini is aimed at people with limited download allowance, or who dont have 3g. i wouldnt use it because 3g in my area is great and i have a 10gb allowance. so might as well use it.
i think the browser speed of the G1 is phenominal, its just a shame its not as smooth as on my iphone 3g - certainly i find it a lot less convenient for quickly googling things. im hoping the Cupcake update will see me move away from the iPhone entirely but i feel im drifting off topic a little here...
anyway - for those that need it Opera Mini is the app they dream of; for those that dont it is a pointless application.
And to those who install it to save their batteries, well maybe you should think about whether this device is really for you.

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why even release something that isn't as good as the browser that comes with the phone?
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You said it all in one question. I agree.

For all of you who now more than I do...

I have an AT&T Tilt, and I am so unsatisfied with IE. I am seeking suggestions on a new browser.
I would really like something that will allow tabbed browser windows, if possible.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated, but know that I am kinda retarded as far as computer speak is concerned
Thanks!

I hear that opera is meant to be good... im pretty sure that htc switched over to it on the newer phones... i havent tried it yet myself, but anythings better than PIE...

yeah diamond and newer comes with opera mobile 9.X
which support javascripts, ajax and tabs

give skyfire a look too

opera mobile NSFAN's build

ok, i didnt have time to do a search, but i found this thread so may i have a uestion.
I saw some videos on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpRF_OVHfvA, and my qouestion is is it possible that the kaiser i so fast?because whne i bought my diamond i bought it because it has much better hardwer than the tytn II, but now i saw hyperdragons and others rom and i amazed...shocked.
what do you think with all this tweaks, how much will be different the kaiser from the diamond in speed/usage etc...will it be more slower or i wont feel the hardware differenc?
I think it is awesone that it looks like the tf3d/i read?that is included/ nice job realy.
of, do not forget that i don play games on diamond, so i think i wont play on tytn Ii if i buy it...
I use diamond with aFast diamond rom...So if anyone have/had this 2 devices can he send me a pm or post here a message!

why dont you use PIE PLUS it adds a bunch of stuff to PIE including tabs i like it and its free

In my opinion PIE is horrible. Besides the word "funderful" (long story), there is nothing I hate more than Pocket IE. There are a TON of free alternatives you should try. I currently have all of these on my device, and most are capable of true desktop browsing.
Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta NSFan's build (this build supports ~10 tabs and is fast)
Bolt (still in beta, released very recently, pretty damn fast, and you need a Java program, like the one that comes on the Tilt)
Iris (Like NSFan's build of Opera it supports tabs. It's still in beta, pretty good, based on the WebKit rendering engine like Android's browser and Safari Mobile)
Skyfire (true Flash 10 and Silverlight 2 support, need I say more?)
Opera Mini (kinda like PIE, except it doesn't suck and it goes fast, and you need a Java program)
All of these browsers are quite capable of a pleasant browsing experience, and all should be quite easy to find on google. They're all free too, but Iris and Bolt require registration before you can download (but they both seem like reputable companies).
Dave

materijalmen said:
ok, i didnt have time to do a search, but i found this thread so may i have a uestion.
I saw some videos on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpRF_OVHfvA, and my qouestion is is it possible that the kaiser i so fast?because whne i bought my diamond i bought it because it has much better hardwer than the tytn II, but now i saw hyperdragons and others rom and i amazed...shocked.
what do you think with all this tweaks, how much will be different the kaiser from the diamond in speed/usage etc...will it be more slower or i wont feel the hardware differenc?
I think it is awesone that it looks like the tf3d/i read?that is included/ nice job realy.
of, do not forget that i don play games on diamond, so i think i wont play on tytn Ii if i buy it...
I use diamond with aFast diamond rom...So if anyone have/had this 2 devices can he send me a pm or post here a message!
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anybody got diamond and after tytn II?

we use a browser call ucweb in china,it's the best one in the browsers i used,but i dont know it has english verson or not ,you can searth with"ucweb"to get the url to download it.
sorry for my poor english speaking

yueker227 said:
we use a browser call ucweb in china,it's the best one in the browsers i used,but i dont know it has english verson or not ,you can searth with"ucweb"to get the url to download it.
sorry for my poor english speaking
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ucweb does have an english version but it kinda reminded me of the browser that was on my moto about 8 years ago. It is really fast but is poorly created. I do not think it supports flash, at least I don't remember. Here is a cab if anyone is interested

Paml Pre- Anyone got one?

Anybody get a pre? I've seen one really great review of it and one kind of crummy review, very curious about getting this phone for my wife. Any recommendations on a good site (the XDA-Dev's for PalmPre)?? Thanks!!

not sure, but i dont believe HTC is manufacturing the pre
XDA = HTC phones.
again, not sure, if it is manufactured by HTC there would probably already be a section on the forum devoted to the pre.
I have heard a lot of good things about the phone.
only 2 cons so far: small keyboard, and programs lag a little.
other then that, Its a great looking phone, with new innovative GUI

I don't think I would be able to use the small keyboard. I can barely use the one on the Treo Pro, and the one on the Centro is too small for me... and I have relatively small hands!

Yeah, I know there won't be a section here as it is most definitely NOT an HTC device, hence my posting in off-topic. I was jut wondering if anyone knew what the best Palm forum is.
I've heard from another member of the forums here who has one that there are some hardware probs with the phone, dead pixels and bad overheating problems. First run Blackstones had similar issues so we'll see if this doesn't get straightened out in the next shipment. I'm not too worried about the small keyboard as my wife has doll hands and long nails anyway ;-)

Best bet is Precentral.net
Its not nearly as robust as XDA in regards to the manipulating and hacking of the device (possibly cause its just brand new) but its probably the biggest Pre / WebOS focused message board at the moment.

Yep i have red this is a crap
A piece of crap... is the way that many people has referred about the new PALM Pre.. why? i dont know, but I think its not powerfull than other device from PALM or HTC, but, does this palm have WinMo? maybe this feature can make it a little stronger.
I saw a few videos and i cant remember about it, cause it doesnt matters to me... Palm doesnt matter for who is a HTC user, you know...
BTW that litle qwerty seems to be for a kid... they are very happy cause the edge of the device is soft... what an amazing development!!!!
Well let us know if anyone has a little toy like that.

There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466

I might be getting one after some of the initial updates and bugs are worked out. 2 of my friends have one and they seem to like it so far comparted to their HTC TP.

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There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum

orb3000 said:
That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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Makes sense...Thanks

I played around withh it for a bit an the keyboard is soft and hard, but maybe your wife's doll hands will be fine lol
The web browsing is great. And I like that it's slim. Other than that, I like my Pro. And I don't know of any other issues. though. Good luck!

I do have to say that the Pre UI is pretty sweet. I hope the Android team takes not and realizes that the built in apps can also look good. As noted a few posts back, the Pre does have a bit of lag when you launch new apps, but the card manager works great for switching once they are open.
I have to say that I love the hardware design of the thing. reminds me a lot of the HTC Touch Dual. I hope HTC brings back the Duals form factor in a new Android handset.

I played with one today at the Sprint store...
The keyboard is better than I expected, better than the Treo Pro, much better than the Centro...
There is a "slight" lag when opening applications, but it doesn't seem to be with all applications.
The card interface is really cool and works great!

I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.

ace10134 said:
I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
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I didn't know about the lock in the pocket things, that's really cool
My sever is SSL, so I'm fine there.
And, of course Opera Mini wins, the Pre is doing all the work itself...

HTC did make PALMpre...i remember when it was announce back in january...i have to say it is a very solid and good device and i love winmo phone, current xperia, touch pro, and HTC HD user. Palmpre WEBos impressed me i would pick one up when a gsm version release. I believe this device took whats good with winmo and iphone and combined it together very well and have lots of room to improve as well...one thing i notice about it that is bad is the battery...make sure you read up on the tweaks n so on so you can conserve battery but most people say it dies out very quickly i dunno if its the way they using it or not but i used a unit for 2 days and still have 50 percent battery...i say your wife would love this device and make a fan out of u

They support non-SSL exchange now

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They support non-SSL exchange now
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No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.

ace10134 said:
No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....

derekwilkinson said:
Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
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Thanks! I'm gonna check for updates now! (Next time, it'd be nice if you described your post a little more, but thanks soo much!)
Exchange Works On Pre Without SSL Now!! Yay!

New Mozilla for WM

anyone else tried the new fennec mobile browser from mozilla? Just gave it a shot today. still an alpha release, i believe. could turn out to be a decent browser, but still a little jerky gui, but it seems to navigate to new sites quick enough.
Here is the post with the cab.

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anyone else tried the new fennec mobile browser from mozilla? Just gave it a shot today. still an alpha release, i believe. could turn out to be a decent browser, but still a little jerky gui, but it seems to navigate to new sites quick enough.
Here is the post with the cab.
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Unfortunately your phone only has 64Mb of RAM. We’re targeting phones with 128Mb or more for the best experience.
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WTF. I love Firefox on my desktops, but I doubt I'm ever going to use it Mobile.

I tried it the other day, I think it sucks.
I do uses FF on my PC though.