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i see lots of thread of hard spl, what is it exactly ?
xpir said:
i see lots of thread of hard spl, what is it exactly ?
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mmmhhh...... wellllll it is a secret which must be found out by READING!!!!!!!
damn - there is a wiki
there is a Noobguide....
there is a thread called "How to flash HRAD-SPL....
and 1000 threadds more with INFORMATION!!!!
Please read and then ask.
Because when you don´t even know how to find out what Hard-SPL is then stay away from flashing. Because it is dangorous and could brick your device!!!
Thanks...
.... if you don´t like my answer - report my post to one of the moderators!
Quite frankly, since I have success flashing via USPL/nbh method, I doubt I'll ever even think about the hard-spl way of life, simply because I really don't want to fark anything up and brick me tele-phono.
And he's right. If you aren't able to figure out on your own something that's explained about 100 times, you need to keep reading before you consider trying to hard spl your device, or even flash a new rom.
simplicity05 said:
Quite frankly, since I have success flashing via USPL/nbh method, I doubt I'll ever even think about the hard-spl way of life, simply because I really don't want to fark anything up and brick me tele-phono.
And he's right. If you aren't able to figure out on your own something that's explained about 100 times, you need to keep reading before you consider trying to hard spl your device, or even flash a new rom.
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you could add "HARD-SPL and USPL" to your signiture then he does not ahve to search...hahaha
I was a newbie till about a month a go and have learned tons of information from this site. These guys are right. The information is right there you just have to search for it.
I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
Essentially what you are doing is changing the Bootloader so you can install a different ROM regardless if it's signed.
USPL and HardSPL is a matter of having it done temporarely or permenantly.
USPL (temporary), is the safe route. This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL. So if you're not a big flasher, and thinking about selling your phone in the near future, then you might want to stick to this method.
HardSPL (permenant), is the only TRUE way of bricking your phone. You will flash the bootloader for good so that you can constantly flash new ROMs without having to worry about flashing your bootloader of making sure it's a signed ROM. For heavy flashers, like myself, this is the ideal route.
HardSPL is reversible, there are some threads on how to do that. If I remember correctly, you have to flash back to a Stock T-Mo ROM.
Some ROMs require HardSPL because sometimes the cooks use different methods to flash ROMs onto devices other than ActiveSync (which is needed for flashing via USPL).
For example, ttran001's Open Touch V4.0 Micro ROM flashes onto your device using your SDCard, the phone is never connected to you PC so no opertunity to USPL. If it was not HardSPL'd, the ROM would be rejected. If it was, the flash would continue flawlessly.
I hope this answers your questions, and please, if I got anything wrong, correct me.
Regards,
three4seven said:
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Oh and from what I understand, installing those cabs wont hurt your device if you dont HardSPL. I believe you can uninstall them from the "remove program" which can be found under Settings/System/Remove Programs.
Everyone's allowed a Noob question every now and then I only know all this info because I read, so im sure if you read u'll be just fine.
nKiwan, thanks for quick and throrough reply
I get a little lost with this:
nKiwan said:
This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL.
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what does that mean exactly?
perhaps I should start by asking the USPL acronym stands for - I've googled it and I couldn't find the right acronym.
From my understanding.. the only real difference (besides one uspl rom per uspl vs infinite - i'm still a little hazy on that) is that hardSPL allows for flashing outside of activesync?
thanks again... I swear I tried my best using the search function and reading
Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device. This will temporarely change your bootloader so it will allow you to flash a non signed ROM, a.k.a. an "outside" ROM. USPL capable ROMs, are ROMs that you can flash using USPL, therefore, ActiveSync.
Well there are two differences I guess... HardSPL, basically, allows for flashing outside of ActiveSync; and will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
nKiwan said:
Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device.
hardSPL.... will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
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Technically then.. I could also flash any rom as many times as I want using USPL as long as I run USPL.exe? I read the flashing guide several times. The only difference I found was that you run USPL.exe and it goes through a loader instead of just running the RUU flaser. Is that right?
i apologize once again if I am being incredibly dense.
thanks again for putting up with my n00bness
there ya go! you got it. As you become more experienced you'll start to understand the need of HardSPL.
I was once a noob myself, so i understand where u coming from . Just glad I can help.
Regards,
nkiwan - thank you so much for answering my barrage of n00b questions.
You have been a great help. I really appreciate it.
Wow I think this is the coolest thread I have read ...it is just awesome what the WWW has done for all of us and thanks for the info
Glad I can help
I can understnad the use of USPL but I would recommend the use of hard SPL if you are planning to flash multiple roms. Either way I think it is just a matter of whether or not you actually want to run the USPL everytime you want to flash a rom... Don't quote me on that.
Just to doublecheck myself....
If I use USPL method and hard reset my phone - will I have the stock rom or the flashed one?
if I understand correctly USPL will bring back the stock one after hard reset and HSPL the new one.
very sorry to ask this now..from what i get is there are 3 ways of turning ur phone from phone to super phone:
1. install .cabs
2.soft flashing
3.hard flashing???
am i rite??
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As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
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I found this thread that you might find useful for the acronyms:xdasite.com/showthread.php?t=1104
Same was with me.....
three4seven said:
I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Hi Brother,
Same problem with me i have also search every where but failed... no answer about Hard spl.Every body say do hard spl and search in fourm and so on. There was no proper guide what it is and how to do. i was really puzzel. Now i have come to know that axect what it is Hard Spl.
Hard Spl mean CID unlock. If you unlock CId of the phone its mean you have done Hard SPl. Without CID unlock you can not write ROM.
Thanks
Br Raja
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
Stargazer418 said:
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
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You can always check in the bootloader screen (the RGB screen).
Even if you have a 4.70.Yang you still need the IPL to be higher than 4 to flash custom ROMs. That is what is important.
If you ever see any of these number's change, Run the HardSPL folder again.
Hello
Could someone please kindly explain what does SPL mean?
And why ROM is called ROM? Is it the firmware?
Doews HSPL void warranty and USPL not?
I searched at google for a while but didnt get a proper answer.
Sorry to ask this here. Anyway, I am sure there are a lots of people who would like this to know as well.
Thanks
no idea..
Check my post at the end of the "Dummys......" sticky post, Uspl Doesnt invalidadte as its a temporary change as far as I'm aware. Hspl however invalidates the Eula of windows I think.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone
Rom=Read Only Memory in this rom you find the firmware of your device.
thanks for all your replies..
now I understand why these are called ROMs..
but one thing that still haunts my mind..
what does SPL stand for? i am very curious in this..what is it for?
is it some securtiy protocol? or what?
thanks guys..
SPL - second program loader.
the SPL is the bootloader. on a pc, the equivalent is BIOS.
HSPL is what you use to edit the SPL in such a way that it would allow you to use custom ROMS. its a permanent change as you are flashing a new SPL. USPL works only whenever you use/run it, so the SPL remains unchanged. changes are only temporary and when the USPL application is closed (or the device rebooted), the device goes back to its previous SPL.
See the SPL Questions page on the wiki. It will tell you more than your ever want to know .
AFAIK, USPL void's the warranty just as much as Hard SPL, but does it in a way that no-one can detect.
It's like saying the warranty is void if used in the attic, taking your phone in the attic will void it, but it will take some proving that you took it into the attic
Dave
nice example with the attic
thanks guys for your replies...Now I finally now what SPL is thanks to ASK768.. thanks...
have a great one...
no problem.
but actually, while we're at it, why would one want to flash a new radio on their device? what kind of benefits does it give?
ASK768 said:
no problem.
but actually, while we're at it, why would one want to flash a new radio on their device? what kind of benefits does it give?
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I suggest you read up on radio's. Generally speaking newer versions have better reception, GPS fixed, less battery drain. Obviously area/country you are in may effect reception so best to read up on which radio's work better in which areas!
Hi. I flashes a signed-spl to my phone via update.zip, now the phone will not load in recovery, nor bootloader mode.
I have place a working .nbh (for BL mode)
and a working update.zip (for rec. mode) on my miniSD
if somebody could please assist me in getting this thing running again, that would be great. thanks!
I have exactly the same problem. Can anybody help?
Which spl did you flash......original, engineering, hard, or haykuro (danger)?
Please tell me you didn't flash the danger spl without installing the latest radio first....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517593
oraeanast said:
Hi. I flashes a signed-spl to my phone via update.zip, now the phone will not load in recovery, nor bootloader mode.
I have place a working .nbh (for BL mode)
and a working update.zip (for rec. mode) on my miniSD
if somebody could please assist me in getting this thing running again, that would be great. thanks!
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Sounds like you got an expensive paperweight!
Time for a new phone
i flashed spl-signed
whatever that is.. my phone was giving me a android.process.aboot (OR SOMETHING LIEK THAT) with an option to force close it only. I figured the SPL would help this situation.
oraeanast said:
i flashed spl-signed
whatever that is.. my phone was giving me a android.process.aboot (OR SOMETHING LIEK THAT) with an option to force close it only. I figured the SPL would help this situation.
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No offense big guy but just downloading and flashing something that you had no idea about probably wasn't the best idea. Where did you get this mysterious SPL from? Perhaps we can help you trace it that way. It sounds as though you bricked though since you have little to offer in the way of retracing your steps so we can help you. What guide did you follow, what radio did you have?
What made you figure that an SPL upgrade would fix your force close error? Did you research any of this?
Yea just like what DirectMatrix said "What would make you think the spl would solve a FC issue".
DirectMatrix said:
No offense big guy but just downloading and flashing something that you had no idea about probably wasn't the best idea. Where did you get this mysterious SPL from? Perhaps we can help you trace it that way. It sounds as though you bricked though since you have little to offer in the way of retracing your steps so we can help you. What guide did you follow, what radio did you have?
What made you figure that an SPL upgrade would fix your force close error? Did you research any of this?
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well i know that the SPLs allow installation of unfamiliar ROMs and allow them to work.. i did this before with a different one and it did the trick. that is why i repeated this process.
To be perfectly honest, this SPL was in my downloads folder and had worked before.. so i flashed it. I have attached the SPL so maybe somebody can check this out? I appolagize for my newbess and impulsiveness lol.
And i believe the radio was NOT v2 =[ i know thats bad..
THE ROM I FLASHED THIS ON TOP OF WAS JFV1.51_CRB43-ADP
oraeanast said:
well i know that the SPLs allow installation of unfamiliar ROMs and allow them to work.. i did this before with a different one and it did the trick. that is why i repeated this process.
To be perfectly honest, this SPL was in my downloads folder and had worked before.. so i flashed it. I have attached the SPL so maybe somebody can check this out? I appolagize for my newbess and impulsiveness lol.
THE ROM I FLASHED THIS ON TOP OF WAS JFV1.51_CRB43-ADP
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The only SPL I have in my SPL folder that is that same file size is the haykuro danger SPL, so if you didn't update to the latest radio (2.22.19.26I) then I'm sorry to tell you, YOUR BRICKED!
oraeanast said:
well i know that the SPLs allow installation of unfamiliar ROMs and allow them to work.. i did this before with a different one and it did the trick. that is why i repeated this process.
To be perfectly honest, this SPL was in my downloads folder and had worked before.. so i flashed it. I have attached the SPL so maybe somebody can check this out? I appolagize for my newbess and impulsiveness lol.
And i believe the radio was NOT v2 =[ i know thats bad..
THE ROM I FLASHED THIS ON TOP OF WAS JFV1.51_CRB43-ADP
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Yea thats the same spl I have on my pc that is the "danger" spl. Yep if you flashed that without having the newest radio then you are bricked my friend. And spl has nothing to do with allowing installation of unfamiliar roms. What that spl does is free up more space on our phones to be able to install the hero roms which are larger.
The md5sum of the SPL you posted is the same as Haykuro's danger SPL. What's quite worrying is that you had a 1.5 ROM but not the 1.5 radio, if you had the new radio you would not have bricked. I wouldn't be surprised if you had a few dropped calls on 1.5 ;-P You didn't read, flashed something you didn't know about and bricked. My sympathy for you = nil.
new thread idea
I was thinking on my drive home, maybe we should just start a thread titled
TO EVERYONE: FLASH THE RADIO BEFORE YOU FLASH THE DANGER SPL FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME!!!!!!
Just start the thread, have it stickied, and have it closed before anyone can post anything in it. Then people wouldn't even have to open a thread, they can just navigate to a forum and have it slap them in the face. Then of course the next logical step is just to start a forum with the same title, then all they have to do is get to the website.....the sad part is people will still brick..
My sympathy for Mr/Mrs. oraeanast ended quickly when I read:
i flashed spl-signed
whatever that is..
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so I agree with AdrianK's ^^latest^^ post...
sucks for you man
and to be honest sounds like a case of the brickedfromnotflashingradio1stidus
jf4888 said:
sucks for you man
and to be honest sounds like a case of the brickedfromnotflashingradio1stidus
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Nah, sounds more like brickedfromnotfollowinginstructionsandwarningspostedeverywhereitis...
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Nah, sounds more like brickedfromnotfollowinginstructionsandwarningspostedeverywhereitis...
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awesome. im aware i ****ed it up but people telling me i ****ed up over and over doesn't really help either.
If anybody has ANY clue or discovers any where to reverse this.. or maybe force the phone into fastboot from the computer that'd be great
oraeanast said:
awesome. im aware i ****ed it up but people telling me i ****ed up over and over doesn't really help either.
If anybody has ANY clue or discovers any where to reverse this.. or maybe force the phone into fastboot from the computer that'd be great
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Dude, you gotta calm down a little and try to understand where we're coming from. MODS, I know this is off topic but I feel I have to get this off my chest...>big breath<
[RANT]There are literally hundreds of places within this forum that tell you to flash the radio before the SPL. There are notes and warnings all over the ROM threads, there are hundreds, maybe thousands of posts regarding:
n00b: "I think I bricked"
person trying to help: "can you get into recovery"
n00b: "no, I was trying to flash the new SPL so I could get Hero"
person trying to help: "did you install the radio first"
n00b: "oh no, what's that"
Not to mention you, yourself, mention in your first few posts that you didn't know what it was, you just figured you'd flash it because you thought it would help with some kind of force close. When you do something like that, n00b or not, you are gonna take some flaming from the forum. Sorry this is just how these things work. There are thousands of people on these forums that spend weeks reading before they do anything to their phone, and there are just as many who read for 20 minutes and just start doing things. The very nature of a open forum of this type makes it difficult to have organized data. Everyone seems to understand that but some are unwilling to put in the time necessary to gather all the proper resources and data. Unfortunately, you seem like one of these poor people.[/RANT]
My only comfort to you now is go here and give your phone a proper burial....
DirectMatrix said:
Dude, you gotta calm down a little and try to understand where we're coming from. MODS, I know this is off topic but I feel I have to get this off my chest...>big breath<
[RANT]There are literally hundreds of places within this forum that tell you to flash the radio before the SPL. There are notes and warnings all over the ROM threads, there are hundreds, maybe thousands of posts regarding:
n00b: "I think I bricked"
person trying to help: "can you get into recovery"
n00b: "no, I was trying to flash the new SPL so I could get Hero"
person trying to help: "did you install the radio first"
n00b: "oh no, what's that"
Not to mention you, yourself, mention in your first few posts that you didn't know what it was, you just figured you'd flash it because you thought it would help with some kind of force close. When you do something like that, n00b or not, you are gonna take some flaming from the forum. Sorry this is just how these things work. There are thousands of people on these forums that spend weeks reading before they do anything to their phone, and there are just as many who read for 20 minutes and just start doing things. The very nature of a open forum of this type makes it difficult to have organized data. Everyone seems to understand that but some are unwilling to put in the time necessary to gather all the proper resources and data. Unfortunately, you seem like one of these poor people.[/RANT]
My only comfort to you now is go here and give your phone a proper burial....
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My sentiments exactly... You've BRICKED your phone, not had a small glitch that we can fix. Its called brick for a reason because your phone is now only useful as a BRICK! Its not reversible at this time, nor would I suspect it to be reversible in the near future. Next time, read, read, read, read, read... and then read some more before you try to flash some mystery signed-spl.zip that you found on your computer...
yea i made the same mistake a few months back your fones at a better place now...No more updates, no more wipes or backups just ~peace~
would like to thank DirectMatrix for directing him to my **Obituaries** thread
-Plays taps
I wannna know what is the right thing to do after you downgrade to Rc29 as in
Keeping your phone up to date to instal the latest cyanogenmod
Cuz it seems to me that everytime I do my mods there is always something wrong
Little but wrong ya know I want my phone to run as good as it can .
I'm currently running RC29 US (not rooted no mods at all)
Just waiting to see what's the best thing to do
Thx in advance
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563679
Follow this to the T.
What's the difference bewtween hard spl and haykuros special spl somehow I like hykuros better but I don't really know the difference and you think I can use haykuros spl instead of the hard spl while following that guide?
Haykuros SPL repartitions the phone so the System and Data partitions are both ~90mb
The bigger partition allows you to install bigger roms such as Hero
However, the HaykuroSPL has a high chance of bricking your phone permanently if you dont know what your doing....
The most important thing is to flash the 26I radio before the SPL
However, you can install the HardSPL now and install the HaykuroSPL when you feel your read
Zixx said:
What's the difference bewtween hard spl and haykuros special spl somehow I like hykuros better but I don't really know the difference and you think I can use haykuros spl instead of the hard spl while following that guide?
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The death spl is the saphires spl. People load it on the g1's to be able to load a hero rom because the hero roms are bigger needing more space. When you load it on the phone it resizes the partitions to make more space. Thats the reason why you have to flash a rom right after the spl because it overwrites the existing rom. If I were you I would load hard spl first to get the hang of everything then try the danger spl. Many people have bricked there phone due to that spl, but if you do try it don't take any shortcuts and read read read.
What to do,what to do?
Well...I would advise you follow a tutorial or go to youtube and follow a video or video's on how to root and all that happy horsecrap.That's how I did it my first time. I watched videos,watched how others did it and then copied what they did on my phone. I successfully came out of it rooted,with the updated radio,Haykuro's SPL, and a Hero ROM that I could depend on at that time.Since then I have flashed so many different ROM's I can't even count all of them anymore. I would definitely root the phone first though. Possibly call T-MO and ask them for an unlock code for the phone as well as that will let you travel overseas with the phone and use it on other carriers too. Rooting is the way to go with the G1 nowadays. A whole new world opens up to you once the phone is rooted! Anyways...good luck at your beginning and keep up the work. If you end up bricking your phone,call T-MO and tell em one of their updates bricked your phone and you want a new one. Take it slow and do things right though man!