I have just received an AT&T Tilt that I bought from eBay. BUT in my country, they did not allow me to get the phone because it has GPS and GPS is forbidden in my country unless you pay for an authorization ($300 per year) which I find completely ridiculous !!
Anyway, I just wanna disable the GPS on my phone (I don't really need it anyway !) or at least try some sort of trick to convince them that I disabled GPS. Is there any way to do so ?
I heard that GPS on Tilt is locked so that it can only be used with AT&T ot Telenav or something. Is it true ?
You live in Egypt??
No, in Tunisia. In Egypt, they have an HTC representative and they sell Pocket PCs with GPS, whereas in Tunisia, there are no Pocket PCs at all !
But how would they find out if you have GPS?
seether said:
I have just received an AT&T Tilt that I bought from eBay. BUT in my country, they did not allow me to get the phone because it has GPS and GPS is forbidden in my country unless you pay for an authorization ($300 per year) which I find completely ridiculous !!
Anyway, I just wanna disable the GPS on my phone (I don't really need it anyway !) or at least try some sort of trick to convince them that I disabled GPS. Is there any way to do so ?
I heard that GPS on Tilt is locked so that it can only be used with AT&T ot Telenav or something. Is it true ?
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The Tilt's GPS is not locked to any app or carrier, you can use any app you wish, on mine I have TomTom, Google Maps and Windows Live Search. As far as disabling the GPS, you can always tell them it only works if you use a GPS based program (which is true), and when you show them your Tilt make sure no GPS software is on it, you can later install the GPS software after the "man" is gone
What a load of bullcrap.. ever thought about emigration?
now seriously: cant u set it to external antenna without an antenna installed on the back?
gps is not a service that a country (apart from usa ) control
and it dont transmit anything it only recieve
i doubt very much that the Tunisian goverment would or could detect if you use gps there
WOW, I'm just curious, do you have anything we could read regarding this law? Do you have to have your phone inspected by someone? Any reason to not allow GPS? What else can't you do?
http://www.subzeroblue.com/archives/2008/01/tunisianas_gps_weene.html
I found a little something about GPS in Tunisia.
SO, if they are making GPS for that area why can't our friend use his tilt?
Rudegar said:
gps is not a service that a country (apart from usa ) control
and it dont transmit anything it only recieve
i doubt very much that the Tunisian goverment would or could detect if you use gps there
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They did not let me get my Tilt from the post office until I get that authorization ($300 per year !!!!!!). I know that once I get the phone, they can never detect me !!
ChumleyEX said:
SO, if they are making GPS for that area why can't our friend use his tilt?
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They are trying to build some sort of monopoly so that we all have to buy GPS from here (a simple GPS device costs $800 !!). I told them about that but they replied that companies providing GPS devices are paying the $300 thing each year, which I didn't !
seether said:
They did not let me get my Tilt from the post office until I get that authorization ($300 per year !!!!!!). I know that once I get the phone, they can never detect me !!
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So your tilt is still at the post office? Like a gadget prison? NOOOOOOO FREE THE TILT, FREE THE TILT,FREE THE TILT,FREE THE TILT.
So far they haven't let me get my Tilt. I told them to erase the software, but they want me to remove the hardware part. Is this possible ?
I don't think so. Send it back dude and get another phone.
As far as I know, the GPS is part of the CPU chip, thus impossible to take apart!
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I have had my AT&T Tilt for about a month now. I would like to use it as a GPS also, but i do not want to pay the monthly fee for a data package. What are my options? Can I buy some software? What all does it take to make it work?
There are a number of GPS software packages available: visit www.gpspassion.com for info, reviews, etc. & buy at www.semsons.com or www.buygpsnow.com.
I use Route 66 on my Tytn II, but TomTom version 6 is also very good, and is probably the most popular solution.
there are new ones coming out daily.
yeah TT6 is probably the most popular.
iguidance will text2speech and tell you the street name. Tomtom wont. they both do about the same functionality. iguidance uses more accurate streets. Tomtom has bigger buttons.
that's my $0.02
Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
yup. that's about right
salford said:
Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
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Right, and worth every penny. They work even when there is no phone service available, very usefull.
tomtom is nice but i like igo more even though it lags a lot more for some reason tomtom is flawless with no lagging.
These programs work with the factory tilt ROM from AT&T? I tried using Windows Live search GPS on the Tilt and it did not work. I tried it on a floor model.
I also tried WLS on a Moto Q Global that I had for 2 days and WLS did not find my GPS either.
I want to get a tilt but I want GPS with WLS and others as well. Would a ROM flash fix this? I was looking at the Sleuth ROM.
I want to know before I try to get one.
I've been running TT6 on my Tilt (stock AT&T rom) since the first week I had the device and it's been fine.
I'm really happy with TT6 as a purchase but I do wish I could plan a route on my PC and then upload it to my phone. I've found TomTom Home (the PC client) to be pretty much usless so far.
Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did you consider the possibility that it didn't work because you were in the store and had no visibility of the sky?? Please tell me you weren't in a shopping mall somewhere trying to do this.
I've tried almost every GPS app out there and every one of them has worked except for Map4PDA. Avoid it like the plague. It will kill your GPS.
You really should try searching the forums. You will find a lot more info. There are TONS of GPS related threads.
I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
to answer your question, try searching http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346501&highlight=live
The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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What reg setting? I would think it would take much more than a simple reg hack to enable something like that.
it's for our GPS, not wls in specific. Kaisertweak does it. "Assisted GPS"
At least that's my take on what it does.
"Assisted GPS helps the GPS to keep tracking your position when entering areas with bad reception, like tunnels and such. You must have a real GPS lock first for this to work though"
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I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
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I think a lot of us do. I don't spend much time outside of cell areas. If I ever plan a trip where I think I might, I'll consider the $150 then.
The latest WLS with speech recognition for directory searches is pretty slick considering it's free.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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I know GM has center on GPS, but it also has Locate Me feature that is unique to GM (uses cell towers). I use both and both work perfectly for me.
GM being a mile off is pretty accurate. They say within 1700 meters, which is almost exactly a mile (1.05633103 miles to be exact).
Hi,
Im new with my tilt and i dont know how to enable my gps.
How do I enable it?
first off, DO YOUR RESEARCH! 2nd, you can't manually turn it off or on, software turns it off/on as needed
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I not sure what do you mean by that... ATT charges a fee for the service, not sure that's the case.
mf-fll said:
I not sure what do you mean by that... ATT charges a fee for the service, not sure that's the case.
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that's wrong unless you use their navigator program
So they dont charge me if i dont use their navegator program.
Which one you recomend?
So... unless i use their gps navigator they dont charge me?
Nice, wich navigator you recomend?
that too is a searchable thing, but I use google maps.
Look at the bottom link in my signature.
oh my....
I called ATT a while a go and they told me I would need to pay for it... what a ripoff
mf-fll said:
I called ATT a while a go and they told me I would need to pay for it... what a ripoff
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Only if you want to use their pre loaded nav program that they include with the phone for turn by turn directions.
The GPS uses whatever software you have on the phone that calls upon it (as long as it's setup properly, com4, 9600 buad BTW) It's part of the phone and ATT just thinks you will pay them the use their software. Personally I like Google Maps, but you can load the TomTom software on it then buy the the maps and not pay ATT a dime in monjthly fees.
I was only on the stock ATT ROM for about 3 days before I was so mad at its poor performance that I unlocked the phone and flashed to a new ROM and Radio.
There is a TON of good info on this board, the search button is your friend.
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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?
There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!
Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.
Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...
bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...
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You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......
kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...
bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....
GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!
Evenings,
I have just moved over from the HTC Kaiser (Vario 3) to the G1 and I love everything abotu the G1 the only thing it is missing is decent turn by turn navigation.
I had tomtom on my Kaiser and am looking for something similar for the G1,
I found this link demoing CoPilot 7 but it doesnt look to be avalable to the public as I cannot find anywhere to buy it from. and on the CoPilot website it doesnt list the G1 as a compatible phone.
http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2009/01/09/alks-copilot-live-t-mobile-g1
I found and downloaded AndNav 2 and found that it wasnt very good the display is to small and i cant get used to the interface.
lastly I found TeleNav but ind $10 a month a little bit of a rip off, i would rather something you pay a 1 off fee like you would with a tomtom and then update the maps at a cost.
Does anyone know where I can get the CoPilot from and if its even out yet.
Hello,
i move from a htc 3300 (artemis) with tom tom, i gave it away in exchange for the Dream, but im a little regret about this, because im always lost the google maps show me in the map but dont tell where to turn. Wisepilot is expensive and the andnav2 is very very limited. I have a nav4all but dont show the map and is anoying and confusing.
So i need this for navigate in work and i dont have one Turn to Turn GPS like the old Tom Tom in htc Artemis.
Anyone have a solution?
Filipe.Nogueira said:
Hello,
i move from a htc 3300 (artemis) with tom tom, i gave it away in exchange for the Dream, but im a little regret about this, because im always lost the google maps show me in the map but dont tell where to turn. Wisepilot is expensive and the andnav2 is very very limited. I have a nav4all but dont show the map and is anoying and confusing.
So i need this for navigate in work and i dont have one Turn to Turn GPS like the old Tom Tom in htc Artemis.
Anyone have a solution?
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Telenav.
I'm using it until Something else is released that's as good as telenav, but doesn't have a subscription fee.
Henchman said:
Telenav.
I'm using it until Something else is released that's as good as telenav, but doesn't have a subscription fee.
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I think i have found the app for me, Its a free download from the market place and its called wisepilot. its a very profesional GUI and looks like it works very well and the instructions seem clear( havent road tested it yet)
The only issue i see is that it says that its a free trial and it shoudl expire after 5 days and then to renew its 99Euro per year which seems expencive considering i can buy a tomtom for around that much and i dont have to subscribe to anything.
The only issue i have with wisepilot is that it downloads the map squares from a server rather than having them on a SD card.
Agghh FFS What is the point of a navigation system that doesnt work outside of GPRS coverage
What if I am not within the network coverage?
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If there is no network coverage, you can use neither your moile phone, nor the Wisepilot service
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just a warning about telenav, if you try to cancel they wont do it. you need to call in like 3 or 4 times to confirm they canceled, and they will strait lie to you about calling in and cancelling.
Hello,
My parents are flying to canada at the end of this months. for their trip i have bought tomtom + canada/usa maps.
I want to make sure that the tytn2 functions well, so i was wondering i could make the GPS think he's in canada so that tomtom will display the map properly so i could test trip planning etc`.
Would appreciate your help on this one.
Thank you.
Paul
Wouldnt that be more of a tomtom question and not a kaiser question?
Don't see why the sats would act any different If it works here, it should work there.
please help me...
it does work here but i dont have any maps to test it out and i want to be certain that it does work in canada
Then talk to TOMTOM.
Sir.
This does not concern any particular navigation software.
I'm merely asking if there's a way to make the built in GPS think it's in canada, by maybe using some sort of program.
Please kindly assist me if y ou can.
Kindest regards,
Some jew.
There is one simple way to do this.... You jsut simpley hack the Canandian sattiliete and change their orbit so it hovers over your house and moce the ones that are over you to somewhere else (anywhere really).. That way your GPS will get signals from the canadian GPS sat's and think you are in CAnada.. Test it out... Then send all the Dat's back to their original orbits ... Be sure to not get caught as hacking international sat's is probhalyl against some rule or law somwhere ...
Hmm I think that requires an iphone to perform the hack.
you guys are very rude.
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Wouldnt that be more of a tomtom question and not a kaiser question?
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It's a genuine Windows Mobile Question and I'm surprised at the answers being given here. Someone has a need to test GPS data for a geographic area they're not in irregardless of Software or geographic location, how can they test the data with a genuine Geographic location?
YPaul The answer seems to be a registry hack.
see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms889970.aspx
this is for WM5 and I havent confirmed it on WM6 but it allows the Windows Mobile GPS driver to pull the location from a text file rather than from the GPS device. The locations need to be formated as NMEA strings.