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which GPS?

I have had my AT&T Tilt for about a month now. I would like to use it as a GPS also, but i do not want to pay the monthly fee for a data package. What are my options? Can I buy some software? What all does it take to make it work?

There are a number of GPS software packages available: visit www.gpspassion.com for info, reviews, etc. & buy at www.semsons.com or www.buygpsnow.com.
I use Route 66 on my Tytn II, but TomTom version 6 is also very good, and is probably the most popular solution.

there are new ones coming out daily.
yeah TT6 is probably the most popular.
iguidance will text2speech and tell you the street name. Tomtom wont. they both do about the same functionality. iguidance uses more accurate streets. Tomtom has bigger buttons.
that's my $0.02

Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?

yup. that's about right

salford said:
Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
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Right, and worth every penny. They work even when there is no phone service available, very usefull.

tomtom is nice but i like igo more even though it lags a lot more for some reason tomtom is flawless with no lagging.

These programs work with the factory tilt ROM from AT&T? I tried using Windows Live search GPS on the Tilt and it did not work. I tried it on a floor model.
I also tried WLS on a Moto Q Global that I had for 2 days and WLS did not find my GPS either.
I want to get a tilt but I want GPS with WLS and others as well. Would a ROM flash fix this? I was looking at the Sleuth ROM.
I want to know before I try to get one.

I've been running TT6 on my Tilt (stock AT&T rom) since the first week I had the device and it's been fine.
I'm really happy with TT6 as a purchase but I do wish I could plan a route on my PC and then upload it to my phone. I've found TomTom Home (the PC client) to be pretty much usless so far.

Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.

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Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did you consider the possibility that it didn't work because you were in the store and had no visibility of the sky?? Please tell me you weren't in a shopping mall somewhere trying to do this.
I've tried almost every GPS app out there and every one of them has worked except for Map4PDA. Avoid it like the plague. It will kill your GPS.
You really should try searching the forums. You will find a lot more info. There are TONS of GPS related threads.

I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
to answer your question, try searching http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346501&highlight=live

The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.

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The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.

well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.

kireol said:
well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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What reg setting? I would think it would take much more than a simple reg hack to enable something like that.

it's for our GPS, not wls in specific. Kaisertweak does it. "Assisted GPS"
At least that's my take on what it does.
"Assisted GPS helps the GPS to keep tracking your position when entering areas with bad reception, like tunnels and such. You must have a real GPS lock first for this to work though"

kireol said:
I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
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I think a lot of us do. I don't spend much time outside of cell areas. If I ever plan a trip where I think I might, I'll consider the $150 then.
The latest WLS with speech recognition for directory searches is pretty slick considering it's free.

Lidberg said:
OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.

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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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I know GM has center on GPS, but it also has Locate Me feature that is unique to GM (uses cell towers). I use both and both work perfectly for me.
GM being a mile off is pretty accurate. They say within 1700 meters, which is almost exactly a mile (1.05633103 miles to be exact).

TomTom Users-> questions

I've put TomTom on my Tilt, and I'm curious about a few things.
BlueTooth
Natively not being able to hear it through my Blue Tooth headset (Motorola 700) I installed the BT Audio referenced in another thread. It works, except if you do anything else, such as take a call, use MS Voice command, etc, you then need to re-enable it, which is annoying.
Does using another BT device, such as a stereo headset, work better with Tomtom?
TomTom Plus Stuff
Has anyone in the U.S. purchased any of their services, in particular Points of INterest, and found them of any value? I find the included POI to be a little skimpy (as have others per threads I've read). IN particular, I'm interested in the JiWire HotSpots.

Not in the US but i've definatley found that the speed camera POI's to be a good investment.
Just passed my Driving test (ok im a later starter at 34) a couple of weeks ago so anything that will help me avoid points on my license must be a good thing.
Actually used TomTom on my Kaiser properly for the first time today whilst having to drive up the back roads to Manchester and it worked really well apart from departing once when it decided to think it was flying all around the country (soft reset fixed it though)

I use the TomTom Plus Traffic and it works pretty well. I've been able to avoid long traffic delays/etc very easily with it. I find it to be pretty accurate.
As for POI, I normally install my own. You can search on Google for POIs and you will find a few sites that allows you to create POI files with data.

Thanks for the suggestin on Googling POIs. I don't know why I hadn't thought of that yet.
BTW...the reason I ask about "in the U.S.", is because I can imagine the software, programming and devices may be well supported in Europe, but it seems not necessarily in the U.S. I don't want to purchase something , then find it only works in Europe. They definitely seem to be more up to date in Europe on this product.

Does anyboddy know if you could share the GPS info over BlueTooth? Like connect another device to it and use the TyTN II as a GPS receiver only to send the information over bluetooth to say a TyTN I or I-Mate JasJar that does not have GPS? Try that...................

gps2blue?
Something like this?
http://users.skynet.be/hofinger/GPS2Blue.html

TomTom in USA
Hi,
I bought my Hermes in the UK. I took it to the US in August 2007. I simply loaded the US maps up before I went, arrived, switched on and had no problems in both California and NY.
Can't see it would be different for Kaiser.
Cheers

at&t tilt GPS newbie question

i've just ordered an at&t tilt. i've searched on this forum for gps and tom tom and didnt get anything and so is this post.
will i be able to use the tilt as a gps unit without signing up for the data plan from at&t?
does kaiser have gps hardware built it or is it an addon?
if it does have a gps hardware is built in, what software can i use to use the phone as a gps unit. if there is a thread or post where i can read more, please let me know.
TIA

htcimposter said:
i've just ordered an at&t tilt. i've searched on this forum for gps and tom tom and didnt get anything and so is this post.
will i be able to use the tilt as a gps unit without signing up for the data plan from at&t?
does kaiser have gps hardware built it or is it an addon?
if it does have a gps hardware is built in, what software can i use to use the phone as a gps unit. if there is a thread or post where i can read more, please let me know.
TIA
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I have no clue how you searched but there are gazillions of threads out there for GPS. Please search again. Just to be nice to you: yes, Tilt/Kaiser does have a built-in hardware for GPS and all you need to do is buy a standalone software such as Tomtom, iGo, etc. With standalone, you don't need to pay for the internet unless you want traffic information.

The kaiser has built in GPS Hardware. Virtually any GPS Software will work with the kaiser. To try it out, GoogleMaps has a built in GPS tool but it needs to download the maps as it goes. TomTom or similar have the maps stored locally which has a lower running cost but costs quite alot initially.

yes it has a built in gps... and you can use Garmin Mobile XT and there a lot of programs..

It works well with iGuidance with the onboard GPS and I don't have a data plan...

htcimposter said:
i've just ordered an at&t tilt. i've searched on this forum for gps and tom tom and didnt get anything and so is this post.
will i be able to use the tilt as a gps unit without signing up for the data plan from at&t?
does kaiser have gps hardware built it or is it an addon?
if it does have a gps hardware is built in, what software can i use to use the phone as a gps unit. if there is a thread or post where i can read more, please let me know.
TIA
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I see were this is going, i have advice for you. Just go to walmart and buy a gps navagation system, save yourself and all of us some time since you cant understand the concept of "google search" and "read the wiki"

sherpa said:
I have no clue how you searched but there are gazillions of threads out there for GPS. Please search again. Just to be nice to you: yes, Tilt/Kaiser does have a built-in hardware for GPS and all you need to do is buy a standalone software such as Tomtom, iGo, etc. With standalone, you don't need to pay for the internet unless you want traffic information.
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thanks for the info and for being nice. really appreciate all ur help.

word of advice for the day:
If the title of your post includes the words "Newbie Question" odds are there is a thread lurking around this forum somewhere for your question.

Any way to disable GPS on my Tilt?

I have just received an AT&T Tilt that I bought from eBay. BUT in my country, they did not allow me to get the phone because it has GPS and GPS is forbidden in my country unless you pay for an authorization ($300 per year) which I find completely ridiculous !!
Anyway, I just wanna disable the GPS on my phone (I don't really need it anyway !) or at least try some sort of trick to convince them that I disabled GPS. Is there any way to do so ?
I heard that GPS on Tilt is locked so that it can only be used with AT&T ot Telenav or something. Is it true ?

You live in Egypt??

No, in Tunisia. In Egypt, they have an HTC representative and they sell Pocket PCs with GPS, whereas in Tunisia, there are no Pocket PCs at all !

But how would they find out if you have GPS?

seether said:
I have just received an AT&T Tilt that I bought from eBay. BUT in my country, they did not allow me to get the phone because it has GPS and GPS is forbidden in my country unless you pay for an authorization ($300 per year) which I find completely ridiculous !!
Anyway, I just wanna disable the GPS on my phone (I don't really need it anyway !) or at least try some sort of trick to convince them that I disabled GPS. Is there any way to do so ?
I heard that GPS on Tilt is locked so that it can only be used with AT&T ot Telenav or something. Is it true ?
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The Tilt's GPS is not locked to any app or carrier, you can use any app you wish, on mine I have TomTom, Google Maps and Windows Live Search. As far as disabling the GPS, you can always tell them it only works if you use a GPS based program (which is true), and when you show them your Tilt make sure no GPS software is on it, you can later install the GPS software after the "man" is gone

What a load of bullcrap.. ever thought about emigration?
now seriously: cant u set it to external antenna without an antenna installed on the back?

gps is not a service that a country (apart from usa ) control
and it dont transmit anything it only recieve
i doubt very much that the Tunisian goverment would or could detect if you use gps there

WOW, I'm just curious, do you have anything we could read regarding this law? Do you have to have your phone inspected by someone? Any reason to not allow GPS? What else can't you do?

http://www.subzeroblue.com/archives/2008/01/tunisianas_gps_weene.html
I found a little something about GPS in Tunisia.

SO, if they are making GPS for that area why can't our friend use his tilt?

Rudegar said:
gps is not a service that a country (apart from usa ) control
and it dont transmit anything it only recieve
i doubt very much that the Tunisian goverment would or could detect if you use gps there
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They did not let me get my Tilt from the post office until I get that authorization ($300 per year !!!!!!). I know that once I get the phone, they can never detect me !!

ChumleyEX said:
SO, if they are making GPS for that area why can't our friend use his tilt?
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They are trying to build some sort of monopoly so that we all have to buy GPS from here (a simple GPS device costs $800 !!). I told them about that but they replied that companies providing GPS devices are paying the $300 thing each year, which I didn't !

seether said:
They did not let me get my Tilt from the post office until I get that authorization ($300 per year !!!!!!). I know that once I get the phone, they can never detect me !!
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So your tilt is still at the post office? Like a gadget prison? NOOOOOOO FREE THE TILT, FREE THE TILT,FREE THE TILT,FREE THE TILT.

So far they haven't let me get my Tilt. I told them to erase the software, but they want me to remove the hardware part. Is this possible ?

I don't think so. Send it back dude and get another phone.

As far as I know, the GPS is part of the CPU chip, thus impossible to take apart!

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!