hey guys,
ever since i got my tilt, data transfer over USB has been painfully slow. for example, a 900 mb tomtom map took over 2 hours to transfer. I tried taking the SD card out and putting it into my laptop. everything transferred in less than a minute, but as soon as i put the SD card back into my tilt, it turned out it was corrupted. i tried searching for a solution to this issue, but couldn't find anything.
halp
you say ever since you got your tilt does that mean that you had other and faster transfers on other pda's because in my exp thats the case with all wm devices
no, this is my first WM phone, and first PDA ever (i had an i870 before)
activesync is slow period, i use a mediacard reader,i highly recommend a storage card and is SDHC and a compatible card reader for your laptop/desktop,can also find cards on ebay with usb readers instead of card readers so you can just plug the card into the usb stick and away you go
unfortunately that's how the USB plug works on these phones. It's USB 1.1 only.
it's not just a usb1.1 issue as usb1.1 should be able to do 12MB/sec which is far from what happens in reallife
To give you an idea, I just did a quick and dirty test of the different transfer times.
RAR: 41.7 MB
Using Activesync:
- Copy to internal memory => 01:05
- Copy to SD Card => 01:20
Using Card Export:
- Copy to SD Card => 00:51 (mean transfer rate: 850 KB/sec)
Using USB Card Reader =>
- Copy to SD Card => 00:04 (mean transfer rate: 12500 KB/sec)
Conclusion: Always use an external card reader for transfering (large) files.
Tytn II has usb 2. Why the speed is so lame then?
The Kaiser is my first device, so I don't have any other devices to compare to. But in a large degree I have noticed the same for other mobile devices (like cameras, mp3-players,...)
It has to do with some factors:
- What app is used to transfer the data?
Working through Activesync to transfer data clearly works slower. That's because AS works as just another layer controlling the data transfer, thereby slowing the process. When you use Card Export, only the regular explorer.exe process is used for tranferring the data.
- Chipset limitations:
It might be that the Qualcomm chipset has a slow MicroSD and USB controller. Manufacturers also have to choose between better battery life or more speed. Mostly better battery life is chose, thereby bringing down the speed.
My old Dell Axim x50v used to sync calendar/appt within 5 secs. But my tilt takes atleast 1 min everytime to sync calender/appt. It takes that long before the sync icon stops spinning and states connected. Do you guys have the same problem?
btw, transfer speeds for data are the same between the two pdas. its just the sync time.
It is always painfully slow to transfer files with activesync, not just the Kaiser but with all PPCs. As far as sync with outlook that is really poor with WM6 and Activesync 4.5. I think I read somewhere the reason is that activesync runs very in depth checks on changes and date comparisons resultuing in long sync times.
my main problem is not that the tilt is soo slow, but why is my sd card getting corrupted EVERY time i put it in my computer? when i copy a decent size file, all the other files are fine, but that one explodes its size like 10x and takes up 90% of the card. my only option is to format every time
weakest link set the pace
if usb2 is supported then there most be a bottleneck
elsewhere
it imho seem to have been an issue with every pda ever
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Hello,
whencopying files - let's say some MP3 albums from PC to Kaiser via USB-Sync connection, it takes ages to complete. I guess it's about ~ 300KByte per Second.
I have a 6GB MicroSD Card Class 3 put in the Kaiser and expected a far better speed.
What is your performance?
If you're that concerned about speed, use the 6 GB card to transfer the files. Copy them from the PC onto the card using the USB reader you should have gotten with the card, then stick the card into your Kaiser.
I'm also wondering why the speed is so slow. The manual indicates that the Kaiser has "USB 2.0 Full-Speed". So why is it so slow? Doesn't support ActiveSync/WMDC USB 2?
Coping large files via Activestink has historically been slow. And on older HTC phones would cause disconnects. Two options is to use a card reader to transfer large files, the other is to use Softick Card Export to convert your phone into a card reader.
I already use Softik Card Export and I really love it. Maybe it is a little bit faster, but it doesn't exceed the USB 1 speed...
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I already use Softik Card Export and I really love it. Maybe it is a little bit faster, but it doesn't exceed the USB 1 speed...
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I just did a test with my TyTN II and Softik Card Export - not more than 1Mb/s. closer to .7Mb/s actually. I tested the USB cable with my portable USB2 drive and it was 25Mb/s - so the cable is fine.
I've emailed Softick to find out if USB2 is supported, or ever will be.
Will post here when I get a reply.
FrankyG
However, Softick Card Export is MUCH better than ActiveSync.
I'll buy it right now...
Thanks !
Chris
I simply love the tilt and have wasted countless hours messing with software and settings. I bought a fancy 8gb card for it but It transfers so wicked slow! For me to transfer 165mb file (Futurama Episode 1) it takes like 10 min. I have USB 2.0 and I am using Microsoft Active Sync on Windows XP. Anyway of speeding things up? This feels so much like USB 1.1 again!
Thanks so much for yalls help!
I mean I do realize that I am limited to 4 mgs a sec but still... it shouldn't take ten minutes!
Yeah the kaiser IS slow on doing it that way, You need that card usb adapter it (might have) came with. Its around 10x faster and much easier to transfer big files over.
You can try software like Softick Card Export (there's a freeware one but I can't recall the name atm) and it will speed up transfers a bit, since it turns the kaiser on an usb flash drive, speed still won't be as you would wish.
Ideally, would be to get a card reader to pass stuff, saves lots of headaches
Yep thanks for the help dont have one of those card readers. Ill try that program though
Thanks!
I am upgrading from XDA Exec to the Vario III and I was going to buy a memory card at the same time. Does anybody know which class the SD slot is? I am hoping it is nice and fast and supports the ultr high speed cards.
Thanks
Allan
I have a cheap card that I got with the phone and a more expensive one (Sandisk UltraII)
Personally, with the Kaiser, I can't tell any difference between the two. Not when transferring files to/from my computer and not when using the actual device.
However if I compare the two cards in my cardreader on my computer there is a world of difference. (The UltraII being roughly 6 times as fast as the generic one I got with the phone.)
I don't know if it's just my phone or ROM but to me it doesn't seem as if the Kaiser can actually utilize the extra speed at all.
Of course, the Kaiser having an utterly slow USB connection doesn't really help either so maybe there is a difference when it comes to usage on the actual device. If so I just haven't noticed yet as the only transfer heavy stuff I do if pushing files to and from my computer which (I guess) might be hempered by the USB connection.
I'm using Kingston microSDHC class 4 card and in phone it is just so slow as generic ones, but in USB reader it's fast like hell
Is there any alternative for softick card export. WM5 storage don't seem to work on the kaiser.
Install trail version of Softick and then install WM5 1.8
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Is there any alternative for softick card export. WM5 storage don't seem to work on the kaiser.
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Install trail version of Softick and then install WM5 1.8. USe Softtick once and then start using wm5storage. this is been working with my tilt. even after softtick expired.
HTH
I tried WM5torage and wasn't able to get it to work with my ROM. My understanding is that it will work IF you have the drivers to support the usb drive connection already, since WM5storage doesn't have them... so it really depends on your OS. I purchased a Softick license and I must say that it works perfectly. The difference is that Softick comes with the usb drivers.
My guess is that by installing the Softick trial, WM5torage can access the softick drivers.
Card Export II is well worth the small price. And I find the interface better than the WM5storage.
Pocket Controller Pro?
using softkick, is it normal for it to take 1 hour to transfer a 1.7gig file onto a 6gig sandisk card inside my tytn ii?
Mine wasn't quite that long. I just moved 1.26GB of music file and it took about 26 minutes.
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using softkick, is it normal for it to take 1 hour to transfer a 1.7gig file onto a 6gig sandisk card inside my tytn ii?
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Softick doesn't advertise the transfer rate of Cardexport II.
USB Full Speed (1.1) ~1.5MB/S => 1.7GB file would take about 19mins theoretically.
USB High Speed (2.0) ~60MB/S => 1.7GB file would take about 30secs.
You rarely see these theoretical speeds because of so many variables to both computers as to how fast they read and/or write. I'd say your "real" speeds suggest something close to a slow USB 1.1 connection
I see.
Vista was telling me it was going at 444kb/sec and about 54 minutes to transfer all of it (accordign to vista, but that doesn't really mean much)
I mean, normally it would have taken 2-3 hours if i wasnt using this little app.
Cool idea, just not worth the money to spend on I guess if i could just take 3 seconds to pop out sd card and put it into reader/usb port.
Darn, was lookin pretty cool at first!
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I see.
Cool idea, just not worth the money to spend on I guess if i could just take 3 seconds to pop out sd card and put it into reader/usb port.
Darn, was lookin pretty cool at first!
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Thats one of the selling factors for me. I don't have to carry or have access to a card reader when I'm away from the house. I can take it to work, friends houses and on vacation and be able to transfer files without the card reader. Most computers don't have card readers but about every computer now has a USB port you can plug into. Then it gets even more complicated with microSDHC as most existing card readers can't read them so then you'd be forced to carry a reader with you.
I got it to work for a few days, but suddently this app just keeps disconnecting and switch back to activesync. I have tried plenty of way of connecting it in Card-Export, but it just keeps switching back to activesync. Very sad. Can some gurus here pls share if you have similiar experience? thnks
Hi,
Recently got my t-mobile version of the diamond2, the Compact V.
I was used to the diamond, which flawlessly functioned as an external disk whenever i connected it to my pc.
When i connect the diamond2 to my pc, i can choose the option 'connect as external disk drive'. From my pc, i see it but cannot access the files (it looks empty). After disconnecting the cable, on the phone the internal storage card is gone... When connected with activesync, i can browse my storage card in my pc explorer. But also; after disconnecting the cable, the storage card is gone !
Only option is to turn my phone off and on, then my storage card magically exists again... How can i solve this? I still have the original T-mobile ROM (1.39.114.2 NLD)
same problem ! The diamond 1 same problem with the internal storage
I wouldn't say it's a problem. It's most probably a protection mechanism to prevent the card from being written from 2 sources.
Then again.. you could call it a limitation from HTC (or maybe microsoft)
It happend only if you choose Disk Drive. If you choose Active Sync, you can access it
This is a completly normal behaviour, and as far as I know, other phones do it this way too (Nokia's for example).
This limitation is not directly related to Microsoft or HTC.
The filesystem can not be 'mounted' to two systems at the same time.
For this reason, the phone will 'eject' the storage and act as a cardreader for the memorycard.
The reason you can access your Storage Card using ActiveSync has a reason. When you are using ActiveSync, the files are send to the phone and the phones writes it to the storage card. This has it's advantages and it's disadvantage.
Advantages:
- Memorycard will always be available for your phone
Disadvantages:
- You need ActiveSync installed on your PC
- Copying files through ActiveSync goes much slower..
The diskdrive option is much faster, cause your pc is directly writing to your memorycard and does not need a driver/software to work.