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Hey guys
Just recently got a Tytn II on the UK Orange network. I love it so far but there are a couple of hardware flaws I have noticed and are quite annoying.
1) The front keypad with the call send/end buttons is very loose and wobbles from side to side, as if the hole that it is in is too big for the keys.
2) The space bar on the qwerty keyboard doesnt seem to work all the time, and i will find myself when typing texts/emails with text which looks like "This is at est sentencef or my complaint" if you can see where im pointing. This one is even more so annoying because i have to be careful when typing fast. At first i thought it was something to do with PalmSMS in duttys new ROM but i uninstalled that and the same is happening. I didnt notice it when i first got my kaiser but only after the first 2 weeks have i noticed it.
Hope someone can relate to these problems.
Thanks
-mcall_r
im having the same problem. I've had two different Tilts and the buttons are both very wobbly. Not really a big issue to me though.
grandpareza said:
im having the same problem. I've had two different Tilts and the buttons are both very wobbly. Not really a big issue to me though.
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i think its like that for all tilts, my is like that as well, but i havnt really noticed the thing about the space bar though...
ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
i think its like that for all tilts, my is like that as well, but i havnt really noticed the thing about the space bar though...
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yup, same here. not an "issue" for me though, as it doesn't affect anything. My spacebar works fine, I'm a text maniac so if it wasn't working I'd notice...
If your spacebar is still malfunctioning after flashing a different rom, I'd be concerned. My keypad is much more responsive using a well cooked rom.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there have been a couple of threads about the general build quality of the Kaiser.
The silver call/send keys on the bottom are really nothing to get too worked up over though.
MorKaiser said:
yup, same here. not an "issue" for me though, as it doesn't affect anything. My spacebar works fine, I'm a text maniac so if it wasn't working I'd notice...
If your spacebar is still malfunctioning after flashing a different rom, I'd be concerned. My keypad is much more responsive using a well cooked rom.
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Yeah the front keypad doesnt really bother me that much it was just to see if it was common on alot of devices. I actually work in an orange shop and have sold alot of kaisers where the front buttons were fine.
As with the ROM thing, i never thought of that but coming to think of it now i noticed it when i started using duttys latest rom with PALMSMS built in. I tried the non-palmsms version and the same thing occurs. I like that version because anything earlier, xT9 interferes with the hardware keyboard.
What is the exact version of the dutty ROM you are using?
Thanks
Same here wobbly keys bother me at first now I kinda like to wiggle it around when i am bored
I noticed that, too. No big deal, really
I too have the wobbly front keypad. I think its the same for all Kaisers. Nothing to worry about IMO. It works just fine and doesn't look like it'll be breaking anytime soon.
Regarding the spacebar, it actually is 2 keys rolled into one. So if you press in the middle of it, nothing will happen. Try pressing on either the right or the left side and you should have no problem. Takes an hour to get used to it
Willie3white said:
Same here wobbly keys bother me at first now I kinda like to wiggle it around when i am bored
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LOL you might want to reword that
and Pheonix, i know that i had always been typing properly before and it was fine, it was just the ROM i was using. I reloaded it and its fine, no problems!!!!
Cheers for all your input guys
WOW .. i didnt expected soo many guys with the same wobbly issue... i was really annoyed by it .... Especially when i am playing any Game which requires fast repsonse.... i once tried to put a piece of small paper under the Buttons .. so it would fix it in place... but after that buttons didnt work properly... but after 6 months of usage .. i now hardly notice the Wobbly Front Pad...
I'm on my 2nd kaiser (both tilt variants) and they both had the d-pad slides on both of them. I noticed its more on the left side, where the answer button is, it'll move up and down.
Also if what you type comes out slow on a rom, try the disable xt9 cab floating around, i know that was the fix for some of the roms.
Kinda sucks when what your typing comes out messed up and you send it without reading it and then people think your drunk... not good for business!
front keypad, ironically, just started to wiggle around yesterday. I've had it about a month (Kaiser-TytnII Pro). No issues with the inside keyboard(yet) though
hmmmm seems to be a flaw in all kaisers.
i dont think the t-mobile MDA version would be like that though.. the keypad is different on theirs.
Unfortunately when mine wobbles up too far in either the up or down direction the d-pad intermittently does not function properly... that is, if I press up or down it does not work a percentage of the time. Anyone know if there is a fix (I'm assuming hardware fix) for this issue? Otherwise the device is fine and I'd prefer not too have to send it back.
maybe this issue is the reason why T-Mobile has a different front-keypad on the MDA Vario 3. Mine fits like a glove.
Dust2Dust said:
maybe this issue is the reason why T-Mobile has a different front-keypad on the MDA Vario 3. Mine fits like a glove.
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Yes, but the T-Mobile one is fugly and I want to get rid of it. I've bought the original one but the change is a little bit slippery.
Hello fellow Kaiser users,
I don't know if this happened only with me or others have experienced the same.
TyTN II keys on the QWERTY after a year of use has some keys responding after the 2nd or 3rd stroke of the key.
Did anyone else experience this?
Is there a solution?
It is really bugging me when I'm typing an SMS or typing something down.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Hardware suggestions also I will try on my own risk.
fireblade63 said:
TyTN II keys on the QWERTY after a year of use has some keys responding after the 2nd or 3rd stroke of the key.
Did anyone else experience this?
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Same problem here, but I started noticing it after 4/5 months of use. Would like to know about a solution also.
I feel your pain, this is what is really killing me because the keyboard is a very big part of the phone, and I've only been using it for 7 months. If i knew it would become this unresponsive i would of got an i phone because this phones on screen keyboard and transcriber is useless.
It happened to me after 7 months. The "c" key on my tilt started to become unresponsive so I called up at&t and had it warranty exchanged for a refurb. This second one was already even worse than the one I'd just sent back, so I had them send out another one. This third one is fine, although the "c" key (again, oddly enough) doesn't click like the others. It's responsive, but feels a little different. I didn't feel like going through the exchange process again, so for now I'm living with it.
My 1 month old refurb tilt doesn't type the keys when I press them sometimes. I should have that fixed. I thought it was a software problem...
My brand new XPS M1530 does the same thing sometimes. I guess I reckoned it was just me not pressing on the keys hard enough or something like that...
So I'm not the only one with the problem...
But no solution?!
Even a hint of what might be causing this would help..
have you guys tried using the disable XT9 cab ?
yes
I think it is H/W cleaning related
How to clean is the deal...
you can find disassembling guides on mikechannon's web. just follow the disassembling instructions and after you remove keyboard, try cleaning it.
Same problem for me.
I'm always very carefull with my device, and don't use the hardware keyboard very often.
Now for some letters I really have to press harder to make them work.
I have my device for only 6 or 7 months.
Have had my Kaiser for 6 months now and the Y and B keys are starting to go out. For the past couple weeks I have been considering sending it in for warranty exchange but I have taken very good care of my Kaiser and worry about what I would get back...
Anyone eager enough tried disasembling and cleaning?
Moreover, did it work?
funny thing here is that I get more unresponsiveness in the right side of the keyboard (enter; L; P; direction keys).
It is a real pain...
Most prolly will do it soon
Will let you all know of the outcome
Same here.
Had mine 8 months, the W key is worst, takes a really heavy press to get it to work, has been like that for about 5 months.
Now the B is also getting bad, so is the S.
If i'm likely to get a refurb back i guess i'll just put up with it until my contract is up.
I'm facing the same problem on my HTC herald. HTC keyboard quality has gone way down. I never faced such problem when I had htc universal.
Hey man,
since you had quite some ppls share of PPCs;
did you disassemble any of them before?
Do you think it's a good idea to do it myself?
I'm extra careful normally but I'm having doubts
kdskamal said:
I'm facing the same problem on my HTC herald. HTC keyboard quality has gone way down. I never faced such problem when I had htc universal.
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Similar problems here with my Tilt. FN, CAP/SHIFT, N are all problematic for me.
Has anyone tried a spray liquid electronic "contact cleaner" on a device like this before?
Weird
Oddly enough, I have had this problem a little bit with mine as well. However mine is the space bar. I, like many others I am sure, have hopped from ROM to ROM. When I changed ROMs the last time, it seemed to fix the issue. It was really weird because a lot of the times I would type something, and the letters would turn out something like this:
Iw antt oe at atj oes.
Like I said, I just swapped ROMs and it seemed to fix it. maybe the t9?
killerbeans said:
Oddly enough, I have had this problem a little bit with mine as well. However mine is the space bar. I, like many others I am sure, have hopped from ROM to ROM. When I changed ROMs the last time, it seemed to fix the issue. It was really weird because a lot of the times I would type something, and the letters would turn out something like this:
Iw antt oe at atj oes.
Like I said, I just swapped ROMs and it seemed to fix it. maybe the t9?
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You are correct sir! Just run "disable xt9" (found plenty of places on the kaiser forum) and your problem should be fixed.
I too have had this problem. I noticed it with the d, r, and space bar keys. Interestingly enough the keys that i press often (Take A for example [I have it mapped to the A button in PocketNesterPlus]) aren't hard to press at all. What I'm trying right now is pressing the problem keys over and over again to see if they "loosen up". Best Case Scenario: It works. Worst Case Scenario: I ruin an expensive piece of equipment.
Update: This might be working. To test which keys were unresponsive i typed abcdefghijklmnop.... without exerting any extra effort. The keys w and r didn't show up so i kept working them. I repeated the test and I got r to work. perhaps i am unknowingly pressing r harder, or perhaps not.
hey guys
have been a reader more than a poster on this awesome site..
but i have run into some trouble :/
within the past week, everytime my phone gets slightly hot, the screen alignment goes totally out.. like really out..
for example i manage to open the notes app..
if i tap the extreme left side, the draw tool will draw in either the center, or even far right.. its extremely frustrating.
Happens mostly after a phone call, using gps, or plugging phone into usb/charging..
im using Panosha's 2.2 full
Radio .05
I have tried loading the original HTC rom that came with the phone... no difference..
any help would be greatly appreciated
oh, and i do re-align... 10-15 times a day..
when the phone is cool, it runs like a dream
eyetac said:
hey guys
have been a reader more than a poster on this awesome site..
but i have run into some trouble :/
within the past week, everytime my phone gets slightly hot, the screen alignment goes totally out.. like really out..
for example i manage to open the notes app..
if i tap the extreme left side, the draw tool will draw in either the center, or even far right.. its extremely frustrating.
Happens mostly after a phone call, using gps, or plugging phone into usb/charging..
im using Panosha's 2.2 full
Radio .05
I have tried loading the original HTC rom that came with the phone... no difference..
any help would be greatly appreciated
oh, and i do re-align... 10-15 times a day..
when the phone is cool, it runs like a dream
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...sounds like a hardware issue!
really? :/
damn
its only 2 months old..
wouldnt have anything to do with cooked roms right?
i really cant afford a void warranty
eyetac said:
really? :/
damn
its only 2 months old..
wouldnt have anything to do with cooked roms right?
i really cant afford a void warranty
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When you have the same probs with the htc original rom, then it has nothing to do with a cooked roms :-(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-IUzerAT0s
exactly what mine does
even right after a screen re-align
sigh
cyron_at said:
When you have the same probs with the htc original rom, then it has nothing to do with a cooked roms :-(
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ok, thanks dude
will take it in and hopefully get a replacement
another example of what mine is doing pretty much to the T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQIyqnTkS4&feature=user
if anyone may have a solution.. please let me know asap.. as i will try taking it in on saturday
thanks guys
damn, mine does the same from time to time!
does anybody have a solution?
did a replacement fix the problem?
unfortunately i havnt had a chance to take it in yet, but i have logged the problem with my service provider..
the problem occurs alot more when i used panosha's rom/s
with the default (and now alphazero) the problem seems less frequent, but definitely still happens..
happened badly yesterday when i used gps to get my girlfriend to a casting, but switched on car A/C and after 5 minutes it was cool again *shrug*
its really annoying though
will let u know when i finally get to taking it in, unless u get there first
Hi there, I have the exactly problem what you had. Whenever the machine is hot, it becomes mad. Any solution could be reslove the problem?
It really sounds like a hardware issue... When you return the phone to the store please flash back to the original stock rom (for warranty purposes )
same problem
i am getting he same alignment problem.i do it many times a day but still tapping somewhere on screen taps the other way.very difficult to dial phone numbers
cyron_at said:
...sounds like a hardware issue!
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i dont think its an hardware issue,as after i align it works fine for few hours and then i have to align again to make the taps work acurately.........i have heard there is a cab file for it.if any one can post it here.........................or make a cab file so that clicking it makes the alignment as it was default with the new phone
It is a hardware issue. the screen somehow (usually when carried in front pants pocket) will get pressed and SHIFTED. Then screen pushes against the side-cover and this fools the touch-sensitivity of the screen. Try yourself - try to shift screen to one or other side, and directly after it will be better. it's still a service matter though. Send it for repair.
This is a known issue. You need to exchange the unit for a new one.
hey guys...
so late last year i took the phone in and it spent 3 weeks at leaf (HTC distributer here is south africa)
i got the phone back, turned it on in the store.. and guess what... still screwed..
i threw my toys to say the least and got a brand new phone..
the new phone was 110% up until 2 weeks ago..
it started doing the same damn thing (to a lesser extent)
i have found that its a connection problem..
the touch pad is very all over the place if used normally (so basically its unusable)
but if i hold down the top left of the phone(pushing down just above the start menu) with my left hand and use my fingers on my right.. the phone works perfectly again..
does anyone know how to fix this?
its so frustrating, especially knowing im going to be without it for 3 weeks or more again
hmmm ...
i heard that the radio-part is for managing the curcuits.
try an other rom.
but i cant give garanty, i hard it only.
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well, when i type something some times work perfect but some time some letters dont print, per example i wrtie "E X S A M P L E" and look the screen and saw "E X A P L", its a kind of lag or something, jog wheel sucks too when i move up/down dont respond very well, i am using my own rom, but ive tried somany and its the same, my kaiser its a tilt with winmo 6.1 in spanish with tytn ii to tilt fix, i try some reg tweaks that i found in XDA but its like the same, any idea???
wolframio74 said:
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well, when i type something some times work perfect but some time some letters dont print, per example i wrtie "E X S A M P L E" and look the screen and saw "E X A P L", its a kind of lag or something, jog wheel sucks too when i move up/down dont respond very well, i am using my own rom, but ive tried somany and its the same, my kaiser its a tilt with winmo 6.1 in spanish with tytn ii to tilt fix, i try some reg tweaks that i found in XDA but its like the same, any idea???
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I'm stuck with the same thing. I've got a MDA Vario III.
I hope there's someone out there who can fix this. it's very irritating.
Thanks in advance.
BTW. The lag is everywhere in the phone (touch-screen-keyboard, softbuttons, hardbuttons, etc... )
wolframio74 said:
hi all since i got my kaiser always have just one problem, some times keyboard dont respond very well
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Already discussed in the sticky p) Speed Up Your Keyboard (Fixes Lag On Hardware Keyboard) thread. There is a cab there but in my experience it may interfere with multimedia playback.
try that long time ago without lucky... regards!
As some get older a few keys will get harder. There is about four keys on mine that I really have to press hard for it to register. Its a known problem, I read about it several times.
More info needed to progress
wolframio74 said:
try that long time ago without lucky... regards!
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If you've only tried the reg edits as you mentioned in your first post, try the cab because your symptoms are identical and it definitely made a difference on my device to keyboard responsiveness and I see no reason why it should be any different at all with yours. Of course that won't fix sticking or faulty keys, only replacement parts will do that but unless it's usually the same letters that don't respond (is it?), that's unlikely to be the issue. What else have you already tried (specifically)?
UPDATE, CABS, dont Work, but i am tring without auto completetion and lower suggested words.... i give 2 or 3 days then cook my room like that
worked perfectly for me!
thanks a million!
i reduce suggested words to 1, get the reg key for windows mobile 6.1 in spanish from my own ROM, then cook it again, work almost perfect... so i can say "WORK DONE"
Hi There,
Well my last TyTn II problem was solved, by a reboot. but sadly its doing other strange things.
Yesterday, as i was using it as i always do, the phone powered off just before i sent a text message. i turned it back on and everything seemed fine. A few hours later i went to use it and the touch screen was unresponsive. Turning the phone off, taking the battery out for a minute or two, and then turning it back on seemed to fix it. Ive also hard reset it and formatted the memory. The touch screen has been working on and off and now it has stopped responding again.
Also, something which has just started happening in the last hour. The Phone when i slide it, has a brief period where the phones screen turns off completely, no backlight or colour on the screen. This occours just after the screen slides past the spacebar and turns back on past the second line of letters (ASDF etc) on the keyboard the directional pad buttons stay lit the entire time.
Has anyone had similar problems? the phone is about 15 months old now, and i really dont want to have to send it to HTC or my mobile carrier.
And if it makes any difference, its the Stock 6.1 ROM from the HTC site for Optus Australia. Not unlocked or hacked in any way.
Thankyou very much for any help you can give me
ThePengwin said:
Hi There,
Well my last TyTn II problem was solved, by a reboot. but sadly its doing other strange things.
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Have you tried a HARD RESET yet?
WillardZ said:
Have you tried a HARD RESET yet?
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ThePengwin said:
Ive also hard reset it and formatted the memory.
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Im sorry if i waffled on a little... but i said that.
Something strange that Ive noticed. the touch screen does work every now and again, until i slide it. Im not sure what triggers that, but it does it sometimes when i leave it be and come back to it, and others it doesn't.
ThePengwin said:
Im sorry if i waffled on a little... but i said that.
Something strange that Ive noticed. the touch screen does work every now and again, until i slide it. Im not sure what triggers that, but it does it sometimes when i leave it be and come back to it, and others it doesn't.
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Oooops, missed that part in your original post.
Well the problem has seemed to get worse now, with the notification lights displaying incorrectly, and the center d-pad button not responding. So ive contacted my Service provider for a warranty repair
good thing i have extended warranty 15 months it has been, maybe its time for an upgrade...
It's probably the ribbon cable that connects the two halves of the phone -- either broken or unseated.