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Does anybody have any details on which networks this phone will be available from?
Dates and prices would be nice too, but probably no one know this yet!

gorstj said:
Does anybody have any details on which networks this phone will be available from?
Dates and prices would be nice too, but probably no one know this yet!
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I know Vodafone UK plan to carry it (I have had a chance to play with a beta device some months ago).
Not sure on the brand other then V'something' but we are hoping to get QA devices in early July so I guess that is as good a time frame as any. That said it would not surprise me if it gets put back.

I wish it was on t-mobile or three with their better data plans. Althought vodafone seem to do good discounts on their headsets with 1/2 price line rental offers. Shame there arent any pda handsets on thier website to compare likely prices of the subsidised headset.

T-Mobile
My phone was a UK T-Mobile test phone when I got it. It was also locked to T-Mobile so perhaps thats a good sign for you...
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I wish it was on t-mobile or three with their better data plans. Althought vodafone seem to do good discounts on their headsets with 1/2 price line rental offers. Shame there arent any pda handsets on thier website to compare likely prices of the subsidised headset.
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It's coming to T-Mob as the Vario III
Don't know when or how much yet.
Gordon

GordonTGopher said:
Don't know when or how much yet.
Gordon
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http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733
It might be in august. I hope so, if then I will get it in Taiwan.

do you know if it is sirf II or another GPS chipset?
I currently use a globalsat sirf III, and I really dont want the performance to be much less than this device.
I hear the other chipsets are pretty good apart from 'urban canyon' - but that is most likely when I will need GPS (e.g. recent visit to paris!)
Also I have a heated from windscreen

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do you know if it is sirf II or another GPS chipset?
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According to http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733 it uses the QualComm gpsOne chip.

3waygeek said:
According to http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733 it uses the QualComm gpsOne chip.
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and the type of gpsOne is NMEA 0183

mikeeey said:
and the type of gpsOne is NMEA 0183
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That's the protocol for GPS data comms, regardless of the chipset, which in this case is the Qualcomm one, sadly as SIRF III is superior.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMEA_0183
Gordon

So it will be fugly AND have an inferior gps chipset in it ... ohh the pain. Still kicks butt on the iphone though. I don't know of a better upgrade from the tytn that has integrated gps looming on the market anytime soon.

In10se said:
So it will be fugly AND have an inferior gps chipset in it ... ohh the pain. Still kicks butt on the iphone though. I don't know of a better upgrade from the tytn that has integrated gps looming on the market anytime soon.
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devicewire.co.uk says that its 'GPS SiRF Star III (20 channels)'....
REgards
Chris

hence my confusion as to which GPS chip it actually has!

I wonder if O2 will be carrying it... I'll be needing something to upgrade from my Exec to, and this looks like it could be better in every way...

vodafone version
I believe it will be the v1615 or something like that...

Mr.Clark said:
I wonder if O2 will be carrying it... I'll be needing something to upgrade from my Exec to, and this looks like it could be better in every way...
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+1
Glad I hung back on getting the Orbit now! Though it explains why they are shifting it with Co-pilot included. Trying to shift old stock to make room maybe?

tmobile have confirmed to me that they are going to be stocking the kaiser 'in the near future' as the Vario III but not when or at what price

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tmobile have confirmed to me that they are going to be stocking the kaiser 'in the near future' as the Vario III but not when or at what price
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mid sept, £280.

Schooleydoo said:
mid sept, £280.
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that's not too bad, and also happens to be when my upgrade is due. hoorah.
ta for the info!

agentp said:
that's not too bad, and also happens to be when my upgrade is due. hoorah.
ta for the info!
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Me too On flext 25 and am paying £100 for the handset if thats any use to you.

Map of China/ Hongkong, Etc....question

Okay, so we know we have plenty of chinese who are using this forum and so that is why i'm asking this question.
Since the TYTN II has a GPS now and i go to Asia frequently, I was seriously considering having local maps so i don't get lost or get jibbed by the taxi driver while i'm on my trip. Anyway, does anyone know of a good app that works in CHINA (PRC) and like Hong kong and stuff, beside the MAPKING. I personally think mapking is TRASH and i could have Swore that i saw the Pocket PC's in China had a mapping software installed on some of them last time i was there, but i've been searching google, and i got nothing..........U know what i mean, the DOPOD stuff.........
Many Thanks

What don't you like about MapKing? I personally haven't used it but I installed it on my sister's Asus P535 last time she visited Hong Kong and according to her it worked well. MapKing is the most popular GPS navigation in HK and Asia in general from what my friends have told me so far. They live in Hong Kong and travel on business throughout Asia.
VITO Technology does have GPS map for Hong Kong and other Asia countries. I have no experience with them though.
http://vitotechnology.com/en/products/mapofhongkong.html

the interface, and the lack of chinese character map of China makes me feel sad .....i mean, its okay, but seriously there isn't anything compared to TOMTOM for CHINA?? for the pocket pc?

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I personally think mapking is TRASH
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MapKing was all I could find recently - of course I don't speak/read Chinese or Japanese, so English was a plus for me. I agree the UI is pitiful, makes TomTom look good (and I think the TomTom UI is at best poor), but there weren't a lot of other choices - like any.
Price isn't horrible, even ignoring the hacked/warez versions.
Richard

rsolomon said:
MapKing was all I could find recently - of course I don't speak/read Chinese or Japanese, so English was a plus for me. I agree the UI is pitiful, makes TomTom look good (and I think the TomTom UI is at best poor), but there weren't a lot of other choices - like any.
Price isn't horrible, even ignoring the hacked/warez versions.
Richard
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i use mapking 10 and it has chinese character hk map and english version. i have tokyo map, shenzhen map, dongquan map, guangzhou map, shanghai map and beijing map installed. this is the only map software i have used and it is very useful when i travel within mainland china. has no problem in my kaiser at all. zero compliant.

kilowong said:
this is the only map software i have used
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No offense intended, but if you had used something else you would realize how BAD MapKing is. I agree that *any* GPS mapping s/w is better than none, but this one is pretty far down the list as far as usability and user-friendliness.
FWIW I have MapKing 2007 for PocketPC, so I suppose the (older?) MapKing G10 might actually be better and I wouldn't know it....
Richard

I found another one through Vigorous Searches....its called PAPAGO......so the next question is, how is it? anyone heard or used it before?

Mapking do have English version of the Map and the Interface
After the installation, the software will come with a DEMO version of English Map.
TomTom only have TW map

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I found another one through Vigorous Searches....its called PAPAGO......so the next question is, how is it? anyone heard or used it before?
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papago is more or less equal to mapking
it is very popular in Taiwan
GARMINI / TOMTOM / PAPAGO are 3 major GPS software in Taiwan

Ive messed around with Map King 2007 and Papago 10 in preparation for a trip and both of them are equally crappy. If you try and enter an address there's some lag because its ques the whole database instead of filtering. But like you said its better then nothing. I plan to use this software for the Philippines and Thailand. Sadly this is as good as it gets for that region. Actually I think mio has some maps for hong kong but I cant vouch for their quality.

I will agree, have both on my Kaiser. TomTom is far from perfect, but I am getting used to how it works and it is acceptable. MapKing is AFAIK an extension of the Mapasia.com map service, and I agree it is very complicated to use. What mode are you in, how to go to the right menu? It seems there are several layers of map systems, instead of just one menu with everything in it. I also had problems with the updating of it was too slow on the Kaiser, it would miss turns because the screen would sometimes not update for many seconds. For comparison, I think the TomTom updates a few times pr second, enough usually. I have fixed this by starting a generic simple GPS program first, and when it gets a GPS lock it is like it keeps the GPS data flowing. When I then start Mapking afterwards, it runs pretty smooth regarding screen updating.
I tried Mapking in Malaysia so far, and since they drive in the same side of the road as in the UK, the exits on the highway as well as diversions are sometimes wrong! Ie it gives a symbol ahead of a turn that looks like merge right, even though you have to merge left - only when you get closer, you can see on the 3D that it is indeed a left merge (and there is no voice for this, only the screen???)

If you can read Chinese, you should try a product called Lingtu (www.lingtu.com, or http://www.mapintime.com/index.jsp). I use it on my Kaiser (which needs to support Chinese, in this case, I use CE-Star). This product costs about USD$100 per license.
Another popular one people use is called Chengjitong (http://www.cityonmap.com/), I've not used it, but lots of friends use it.
It seems Lingtu updates their map more frequently. Just my 2 cents.

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Ive messed around with Map King 2007 and Papago 10 in preparation for a trip and both of them are equally crappy. If you try and enter an address there's some lag because its ques the whole database instead of filtering. But like you said its better then nothing. I plan to use this software for the Philippines and Thailand. Sadly this is as good as it gets for that region. Actually I think mio has some maps for hong kong but I cant vouch for their quality.
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PapaGo is tfrom the same brand as Map King only a diferent name.
I have used iGo for Thailand, it is no TomTom but still pretty good also when you go outside Bangkok you find your way with it, complete map of Thailand, even the smallest soi's I have found. And It guide me to Chang Mai, Chang Rai don't know if they have maps for the Phillipines or China try and Google for it.
It wash pretty to travel and I wash surprised with this software.

AN UPDATE to the testing for the maps of CHINA
IF you can read Chinese, then LINGTU, is by far the best there is, and the maps cover a lot of rural places as well.
If you can read only english, then MapKing is the best there is........but mapking is like 10 times worse than lingtu.
Lingtu's got some nice touch and the search features are easier than i thought. okay, thanks everyone.

Irish Diamond problems

hi there
i have a touch diamond that was got from holland , unlocked and unbranded
rom version 1.35.401.3 WWE
using the Meteor pre pay network
last week the when making calls the person at the end of the line can not hear a thing im saying
anything I can do to fix this ?
step by step guides ?
thanks
Joe

Wooo! Another Diamond user in Ireland!
I'm also on Meteor pre-pay, but I have a Diamond from the UK (1.37.405.1 WWE). I've had no problems with calls or texts or anything...apart from mobile internet.
The built-in connection settings for Meteor are just wrong. They don't work at all. The WAP settings are available elsewhere on the internet, but I've managed to acquire (after confusing Meteor customer care quite a lot, because they've obviously never even heard of HTC) working mobile internet settings. The only problem is that their prices are ridiculous (2c per KB)...but at least I can check emails and the weather if I really need to.
If anyone wants the proper Meteor mobile internet settings, just ask (or phone customer care...and be prepared for a long conversation).
Oh, getting back to the original problem, have you tried your device on any other network? I would really doubt that the problem is Meteor-specific, because I've never had any problems using HTC devices on Meteor. BTW, aren't the new pre-pay deals really cool? Not sure about that magic mobile genie though...

Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.

i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
@ DArk fire
what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...

joe. said:
i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
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what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...
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This may be just me, but I would try upgrading the radio. I've had the same issues with some of my other htc phones and it always fixed it for me.

I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...

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Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.
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The cheapest way to get a Diamond is probably to get one from eBay or the UK. Some websites don't like delivering to random countries though, so you might have to physically go to a shop if you don't like the eBay. I wonder if they're available in Northern Ireland - I can't see any reason for them not being available there...
3G test! I heard about that, but as I'm only in Ireland erratically I've never really investigated it. I'm here for a while now though - how did you sign up to the 3G test? On 3G do they still charge that crazy 2c per KB? Also, how good is the 3G network (coverage, speed, etc.)?
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@ DArk fire
what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...
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GSM, unfortunately.

catdog said:
I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...
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how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks

got mine from germany 470€ 3 weeks ago and brought it over to ireland.
did someone tried the o2.ie broadband addon with HSDPA?

joe. said:
how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks
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Flashing in 2 steps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408621
hardspl 1.24
ROM of your choice such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407572
Direct download link:
http://duttythroy.net/downloads/ind...DiamProject_V2_5.2.19965_Radio_1.00.25.06.zip
Follow the instructions and backup anything important.

Ordered the Diamond from the UK the day it was released. Upgraded the rom to Dutty's Diamond Project and it works a treat. On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good. After Flashing with Dutty's ROM I have freed up about 20% more memory so it runs much smoother.

ok ill try and do that over the weekend , thanks all

ok iv seem to have got it working now again

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On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good.
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Is that on some kind of contract?
1GB would cost €20,971.52 on Meteor.

Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.

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Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.
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Isn't the "B" stock all of those returned grey imports from HK? Thanks for the tip about TomTom7 in Ireland.

Hey lads, living in the south and I've ordered the Diamond, should have it in a few days.
Up until now I've been using an old Acer n310 (WM5 and no phone capabilities and linked via bluetooth to a GPS module) with iGo 2006 (for about a year) and iGo8 (for the last 2 months). I've been trying TomTom 6 on and off. My job involves driving all around Munster and the iGo maps are far better to the TomTom 6 maps; more complete in terms of small roads, and more road and townland labelling. Also higher accuracy. So I'll be using iGo8 on the Diamond too. I definitely recommend it.
I'd been connecting the Acer to my bluetooth phone to use the internet and get my emails. I'm on O2 billpay and 250mb is €7.50 a month, which is great value. So the Diamond will mean one device instead of 3 for getting my emails, making calls, and navigating around the place.
Isn't there an issue that using alternative ROMs will cause the AGPS to stop working?

TomTom 6 uses the older navtek maps, TomTom7 uses the latest Teleatlas maps, which for W.Cork anyway seemed to have every little road, if you could call it a road. Some of the little lanes in W.Cork just aren't good for your suspension, I mean they are smaller than the width of my car and rougher than the dark side of the moon!

Using TomTom 7 on my Diamond + Uk/Ie Maps been to dublin cork waterford and never had any problems.

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Right it seams to be an intermittent problem , could it be something to do with the network signal ?

tomtom6 & tomtom7 Legal?

Okay I did search and I have seen it posted BOTH ways I am not a big fan of hacked cracked or Warez apps right now I am running a rom that come bundled with tomtom6 I then installed tomtom7 from the post here but when I went to download the freeby map and voices I got a weird error so I popped over to tomtom.com and my version doesn't seem to be legal before I yank it out can someone tell me once and for all if I am legal ?

I suppose the blunt answer is that if a) you haven't paid TomTom money for the software, or b) the software wasn't included in an official ROM on your device for 'trial' purposes; then you are outside terms of the licence - in simple terms, not legal.
There is however reasonable grounds for debate given that TomTom seem to be forgetting the PDA community to ever more significant levels. That's particularly out of order when you consider that it was really PDA users that put TomTom on the map (no pun intended) and really helped the consumer satellite navigation system market flourish into the extremely lucrative enterprise it now is.
The situation we're in now is that we've bank-rolled a good portion of TomTom's discreet product development, and indeed commercial success; and it seems our party-invites are being forgotten...
At the end of the day the product development and channel support for PDA users is shrinking more and more. The only real way to have a chance (and it's not guaranteed) of owning up-to-date (and therefore really useful) TomTom sat nav for your PDA is if you happen to buy one of only a handful of devices which fall inside the remit of the deal TomTom did with HTC. The next kick in the nuts is when you find out that even though you own a perfectly capable device, manufactured by the company who are in bed with TomTom, you still don't automatically join the party because the chances are you got your Diamond/Kaiser/Whatever from your Telco; and re-brands of device and software don't fall inside the same deal.
So, Mr A with his ageing but still capable iPaq can't buy a recent version of Navigator and a map for it because PDA software isn't out in the channel. And also Mr B, who owns a shiny-new Kaiser, but may have got it in the form of a Vaio III from T-Mobile, or a Tilt from those lovely folks over the pond, also can't get the software; again even though it is in existence, simply because they got their HTC manufactured (and the key point here is that HTC still made their £££, it was just T-Mobile/AT&T/Orange/whoever signing the cheque rather than Mr B himself) from a Telco because it worked out to be £0-£100 for the device rather than £300-500 to buy it 'SIM free'. The fact that TomTom are slowly and quietly dropping their PDA customers winds me up enough, but the fact a good number of HTC customers are excluded from the ever-shrinking party simply because their Telco subsidised part of the purchase price of the device makes it even worse.
So, relatively up-to-date versions of TomTom navigator for PDAs do exist, as do relatively up-to-date maps and extras (traffic/safety camera subscriptions). The only problem is that even if you want to, it's near impossible to spend your money on them.
Does this make TomTom a bunch of clowns for still putting some resource into development but at the same time slamming the door on a large number of loyal users who would still quite happily help them recoup or even profit on those costs, absolutely. Should they be surprised if some people find other ways around those obstacles when pound-notes fail, probably not. Does that make it ethical - it's debatable (but for the sake of this great site's legal-footing, that debate can't really take place here. ...Does it make it legal, alas no.
So, for the black-and-white legal position on the matter, read the first paragraph again. Anything beyond that I think is up to the individual, who has to decide whether they'll risk/be prepared for/accept any potential consequences of other actions which fall outside of TomTom's frankly ridiculous position.
I can't help wondering what the blinkered-idiots at TomTom are thinking on this issue. As far as I can see they currently have product available, and there's no real reason why that can't continue for the forseeable future given that most of the development cost will still be incurred if they only shipped discreet devices (ie, it can't cost that much extra to make sure there's a pretty recent PDA version living alongside their discreet products); BUT, they've more or less completely closed every route to market. Which Mickey Mouse school of business did these chumps go to? Yes, I see the point that they stand to make more money by selling you a Go! 940 Live than a software-only product for your PDA; but I for one certainly won't go running out to buy a 940 (or its descendant) if all possibility of my running an up-to-date version on my PDA ceases. I think I'll be feeling alienated enough to give my money to Navman, Garmin or any of the others first. Likewise they could, and should have enough confidence in their own discreet products to see that there are USPs differentiating both markets - some folks just one a gadget to do sat nav, and nothing else, they want it to be integrated and simple, with more focus on certain aspects of specification. On the other hand some folks will always have the need for a PDA, and would prefer not to have a rucksack full of electronics to carry with us - OK, we might not get all the benefits of a discreet sat nav unit; but if it's that way or the highway (again, no pun intended, I'm just one damn funny guy ), why exclude our money from your coffers.
Anyway, in short; you're probably a little outside of licensing and copyright law; but at the moment it's probably fair to say that TomTom have left us out in the cold to some degree, so you should just feel the force/go with your heart/<insert other suitable cliché here>...
Rant over.
Love and hugs (to everyone apart from TomTom's marketeers),
Rob.

Write to TomTom and let the boss know what you think
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TomTom seem to be forgetting the PDA community to ever more significant levels.
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I know what you mean and (after several unsatifying phonecalls to the company) I recently sent their big cheese (at HQ in the Netherlands) a letter about it. Sometimes buying a dedicated TomTom device just isn't an answer - for example I use my TyTN II for navigation on my bicycle (using a TyTN II handlebar mount) and on foot alot of the time so there's no way I'm going to carry around a 12 volt battery just to power a dedicated, comparitively bulky, TomTom device.
I suggest you write to them as well, The addresses and manager/supervisor names and positions are all on their website. I'd be happy with TomTom Navigator 6 if it weren't for the fact the map I have (which is the latest available) is very outdated and it doesn't support map share or any other similar way of getting any sort of update. I refuse to pay for a product thats not officially supported (eg buying a map for an illegal version of TTN7 on a Kaiser) so I'm just making do with TTN 6 and my purchased compatible map, the rest of my money is staying in my wallet.
You are correct in that it is a glaring example of missed marketing opportunities. Perhaps given their tremendous growth in recent times, they are getting to big for their boots and think they can shape the market to suit their ideal, to a greater extent than they really can? They need to watch out or people will go with the competition.

I beleive their reasoning is that they're fed up of piracy. A bit silly really considering they're making piracy the only option.

Absolutely agree with everything posted here.
I have paid for TomTom Nav 6, the most up-to-date maps (early 2007), extra voices, Speed Camera & Traffic subscriptions - and have now been told it's no longer supported (they will not be issuing new maps).
I have raised support calls & spoken to them on the phone - they agree this is now obsolete and they have no plans to release TomTom 7 in this country (UK). They even said if you have TomTom 7 in the UK it's an illegal copy!
I want my money back. I was told there would be 4 map updates every year - there was only 1 update after I bought the software.
Having said all that, I am struggling to find a viable alternative. I need to traffic to make it worthwhile (as I do the same trips most days, but need traffic warnings due to motorway snarl-ups).
I'm v.impressed with the trial of Navigon MN7 - but there seems to be no way of getting TMC traffic on the Kaiser in the UK (outstanding support call with Navigon as well now...).
If anyone finds an alternative, please let me know.
I really don't understand TomTom's position on this. They have a market leading product and now choose to pull out of the market - at exactly the point you would expect the PDA solution to supercede the traditional separate unit. In my company we looking to stop using 250 TomTom units and repace them with an integrated PDA solution - so TomTom will (eventually) lose out big-style. They seem to be shooting themselves in the foot.

CoPilot Live 7 is one alternative that was bundled with some Kaisers
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CoPilot Live 7 works on the Kaiser, indeed some UK providers bundled the two together. I have no personal experience of the product so I don't know how up to date their maps are but CoPilot maps are provided by a different company to TomToms maps (Navteq vs TeleAtlas respectively) and fewer countries/regions are covered at the moment compared to TomTom, I'm sure a search here and on google will yield lots of results.
As for getting your money back, see if you can find some documentation showing they said there'd be 4 maps a year, then talk to the C.A.B. or your Trading Standards Office - good luck with that
I think you also have lots of good points that'd be best dealt with via a letter or Fax to the company boss. If they REALLY want to get out of that section of the market due to piracy issues, it's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Instead they should be looking at improving security and making the product less easy to steal - perhaps by using activation for BOTH the software AND maps.

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Anyway, in short; you're probably a little outside of licensing and copyright law; but at the moment it's probably fair to say that TomTom have left us out in the cold to some degree, so you should just feel the force/go with your heart/<insert other suitable cliché here>...
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Thanks for the clarification and for soothing my conscience...

Flying Kiwi said:
CoPilot Live 7 works on the Kaiser, indeed some UK providers bundled the two together. I have no personal experience of the product so I don't know how up to date their maps are but CoPilot maps are provided by a different company to TomToms maps (Navteq vs TeleAtlas respectively) and fewer countries/regions are covered at the moment compared to TomTom, I'm sure a search here and on google will yield lots of results.
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I have spoken to ALK regarding switching to CoPilot, but was told their maps are also over 18 months old, and they will not be releasing updates for CoPilot 7. They could not give me a date for CoPilot 8, but if they do not issue map updates, then it will be exactly the same problem as TomTom i.e. It will become obsolete.

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I have spoken to ALK regarding switching to CoPilot, but was told their maps are also over 18 months old,
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I could only dream of having a TomTom map thats age is in months rather than years!
they will not be releasing updates for CoPilot 7.
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Maybe not program updates but the map would still be newer to start with (although in fairness I've not compared the two in the areas where TomToms maps have things wrong).
They could not give me a date for CoPilot 8, but if they do not issue map updates, then it will be exactly the same problem as TomTom i.e. It will become obsolete.
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Most importantly, they've also not said they'll be releasing future versions only bundled with devices. This means if you're keen for the absolute latest and greatest maps and you're willing to pay, they'll still be providing suitable products - not something that can be said of TomTom.

Google adds free turn-by-turn navigation, car dock UI to Android 2.0

Worth noting this one, not really out for the dream yet, more of something to look forward to.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/

Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan -- at least for rerouting (if you stay on route, it uses cache), which is the most important use-case for GPS nav.

Official post by Google including pictures and videos: http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/index.html#p=default

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Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan
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If you don't have a dataplan (or some other way to give your phone internet connectivity) there's no way Google Navigation will be able to perform voice search, street view, real-time traffic, or anything else that differentiates this from a standard nav device or nav software.

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if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lamo
and +1

im just waiting to read about how our wonderful dream wont be able to run 2.0
once again, F*** verizon and the horse they rode in on. Tmo shoulda done everything possible to get the moto droid.

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lol words right out of my mouth..

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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Exactly i was just trying to be good and keep my mouth shut

While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.

So whats a guy gotta do to get this navigation on his g1? i have no patience!! we need this app!!
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I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....

after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!

xavier6303 said:
I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....
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Ditto here....use and was happy with CoPilot, however, have said on here and other forums that Google simply needed to man-up and take that last step to provide realtime navigation and they'd put everyone else out of the market.
Looks like that just happened.
However, I will be keeping CoPilot as I do often travel into areas with *zero* coverage. Driving between north Edwards AFB, CA and Las Vegas at night is a bit hair raising. No signals out there, much less even EDGE.

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after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.
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Or you could say that their stocks were overvalued to begin with? This is competition at its finest, if you ask me.

They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...

julez456 said:
Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!
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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
aad4321 said:
yeah, i have that...but i mean come on...its google....ITS GOOGLE! im sure its going to be amazing.
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True True and native and free (relatively speaking) is always better
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they have 3G in lancaster now lol...
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I saw that they have Lancaster listed as a 3g area on their coverage map but I still have yet to find it...the ever elusive 3g! I get pretty good edge when Im out and about though so Im not really complaining. I would just love to have 3g while Im in bed for those... "I wonder..." moments.

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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
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Sorry to hear that..don't run into any horse-drawn carriages out there..lol

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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TeleNav does just fine on GPRS. With the map caching, I don't see where TMO's network would make navigation in Google Maps an issue. As long as you're not using satellite view, or zoomed waayy out, I doubt it'll be much different (bandwidth-wise) from TeleNav.

axlastro said:
They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...
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Hehe, well, to be fair, turn-by-turn navigation as a whole is pretty useless for any area without roads or places to go. We still have our compasses, though...

I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of this. I'm extremely excited. Not only is this a free, seemingly top-quality GPS app, but it's tied into the phone quite nicely, and it's way more innovative than anything Garmin or TomTom have put out, ever.