Okay, so we know we have plenty of chinese who are using this forum and so that is why i'm asking this question.
Since the TYTN II has a GPS now and i go to Asia frequently, I was seriously considering having local maps so i don't get lost or get jibbed by the taxi driver while i'm on my trip. Anyway, does anyone know of a good app that works in CHINA (PRC) and like Hong kong and stuff, beside the MAPKING. I personally think mapking is TRASH and i could have Swore that i saw the Pocket PC's in China had a mapping software installed on some of them last time i was there, but i've been searching google, and i got nothing..........U know what i mean, the DOPOD stuff.........
Many Thanks
What don't you like about MapKing? I personally haven't used it but I installed it on my sister's Asus P535 last time she visited Hong Kong and according to her it worked well. MapKing is the most popular GPS navigation in HK and Asia in general from what my friends have told me so far. They live in Hong Kong and travel on business throughout Asia.
VITO Technology does have GPS map for Hong Kong and other Asia countries. I have no experience with them though.
http://vitotechnology.com/en/products/mapofhongkong.html
the interface, and the lack of chinese character map of China makes me feel sad .....i mean, its okay, but seriously there isn't anything compared to TOMTOM for CHINA?? for the pocket pc?
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MapKing was all I could find recently - of course I don't speak/read Chinese or Japanese, so English was a plus for me. I agree the UI is pitiful, makes TomTom look good (and I think the TomTom UI is at best poor), but there weren't a lot of other choices - like any.
Price isn't horrible, even ignoring the hacked/warez versions.
Richard
rsolomon said:
MapKing was all I could find recently - of course I don't speak/read Chinese or Japanese, so English was a plus for me. I agree the UI is pitiful, makes TomTom look good (and I think the TomTom UI is at best poor), but there weren't a lot of other choices - like any.
Price isn't horrible, even ignoring the hacked/warez versions.
Richard
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i use mapking 10 and it has chinese character hk map and english version. i have tokyo map, shenzhen map, dongquan map, guangzhou map, shanghai map and beijing map installed. this is the only map software i have used and it is very useful when i travel within mainland china. has no problem in my kaiser at all. zero compliant.
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this is the only map software i have used
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No offense intended, but if you had used something else you would realize how BAD MapKing is. I agree that *any* GPS mapping s/w is better than none, but this one is pretty far down the list as far as usability and user-friendliness.
FWIW I have MapKing 2007 for PocketPC, so I suppose the (older?) MapKing G10 might actually be better and I wouldn't know it....
Richard
I found another one through Vigorous Searches....its called PAPAGO......so the next question is, how is it? anyone heard or used it before?
Mapking do have English version of the Map and the Interface
After the installation, the software will come with a DEMO version of English Map.
TomTom only have TW map
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I found another one through Vigorous Searches....its called PAPAGO......so the next question is, how is it? anyone heard or used it before?
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papago is more or less equal to mapking
it is very popular in Taiwan
GARMINI / TOMTOM / PAPAGO are 3 major GPS software in Taiwan
Ive messed around with Map King 2007 and Papago 10 in preparation for a trip and both of them are equally crappy. If you try and enter an address there's some lag because its ques the whole database instead of filtering. But like you said its better then nothing. I plan to use this software for the Philippines and Thailand. Sadly this is as good as it gets for that region. Actually I think mio has some maps for hong kong but I cant vouch for their quality.
I will agree, have both on my Kaiser. TomTom is far from perfect, but I am getting used to how it works and it is acceptable. MapKing is AFAIK an extension of the Mapasia.com map service, and I agree it is very complicated to use. What mode are you in, how to go to the right menu? It seems there are several layers of map systems, instead of just one menu with everything in it. I also had problems with the updating of it was too slow on the Kaiser, it would miss turns because the screen would sometimes not update for many seconds. For comparison, I think the TomTom updates a few times pr second, enough usually. I have fixed this by starting a generic simple GPS program first, and when it gets a GPS lock it is like it keeps the GPS data flowing. When I then start Mapking afterwards, it runs pretty smooth regarding screen updating.
I tried Mapking in Malaysia so far, and since they drive in the same side of the road as in the UK, the exits on the highway as well as diversions are sometimes wrong! Ie it gives a symbol ahead of a turn that looks like merge right, even though you have to merge left - only when you get closer, you can see on the 3D that it is indeed a left merge (and there is no voice for this, only the screen???)
If you can read Chinese, you should try a product called Lingtu (www.lingtu.com, or http://www.mapintime.com/index.jsp). I use it on my Kaiser (which needs to support Chinese, in this case, I use CE-Star). This product costs about USD$100 per license.
Another popular one people use is called Chengjitong (http://www.cityonmap.com/), I've not used it, but lots of friends use it.
It seems Lingtu updates their map more frequently. Just my 2 cents.
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Ive messed around with Map King 2007 and Papago 10 in preparation for a trip and both of them are equally crappy. If you try and enter an address there's some lag because its ques the whole database instead of filtering. But like you said its better then nothing. I plan to use this software for the Philippines and Thailand. Sadly this is as good as it gets for that region. Actually I think mio has some maps for hong kong but I cant vouch for their quality.
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PapaGo is tfrom the same brand as Map King only a diferent name.
I have used iGo for Thailand, it is no TomTom but still pretty good also when you go outside Bangkok you find your way with it, complete map of Thailand, even the smallest soi's I have found. And It guide me to Chang Mai, Chang Rai don't know if they have maps for the Phillipines or China try and Google for it.
It wash pretty to travel and I wash surprised with this software.
AN UPDATE to the testing for the maps of CHINA
IF you can read Chinese, then LINGTU, is by far the best there is, and the maps cover a lot of rural places as well.
If you can read only english, then MapKing is the best there is........but mapking is like 10 times worse than lingtu.
Lingtu's got some nice touch and the search features are easier than i thought. okay, thanks everyone.
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can anyone tell me if there's a teaser version of tomtom on the diamond
Not sure... Everybody came with his own suggestions.
I had read a lot of contradictory informations:
Here an article confirming that (FR)
http://www.mobinaute.com/140490-gps-tomtom-lancera-mobiles-smartphones.html
Here a Video saying not (FR)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5f2v9_htc-touch-diamond_tech
I guess it depends on the operator. Certainly T-Mobile are in partnership with Co-Pilot, as all their WM GPS enabled devices have Co-Pilot on them.
Seems to be confirmed by Modaco
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/268462/tomtom-7-coming-to-pocket-pc-soon/
Hmm...The question now, is how comprehensive this "taster" is. If it has "one included city map", which city is it? Will there be a choice of city?
one map= you choose, involves going on their site, getting some code from your phone, a few steps really.... but sadly london didnt include my house so i got rid of it...
Rory
Hahahahahaha...
That's random. How far does the map of London extend then? Further than the North Circular?
erm i dont know, in terms of the bit near tottenham hale, coming towards me, it got up to the a110, between the reservoirs
Ah...That's good.
I've never been to Tottenham Hale. Or Walthamstow for that matter. I wonder what's there...
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Ah...That's good.
I've never been to Tottenham Hale. Or Walthamstow for that matter. I wonder what's there...
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acording to that tomtom map Tottenham Hale doesnt exist. Better be carefull you might fall off the edge of the tomtom world
To some Londoners, the M25 is the edge of the world anyway.
haha yeah your right.
RE tomtom tho, is there a decent map that covers the whole uk? I havnt used tomtom in years n years
but tottenham hale is inside the m25... ahhh... that would cause trouble, the end of the world is about 5 miles north of the end of the map!!!
Rory
yeah uk and ireland/northern ireland
if you dont mind being a bit questionable, you can get it without paying, just to test. thats what i did, didnt like it and uninstalled.
also western europe covers uk obviously...
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haha yeah your right.
RE tomtom tho, is there a decent map that covers the whole uk? I havnt used tomtom in years n years
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I don't know, but if there isn't, it would make me wonder just what the people at that company do all day.
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I don't know, but if there isn't, it would make me wonder just what the people at that company do all day.
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there is, and i am still wondering
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there is, and i am still wondering
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Well, I suppose they have to go out occasionally to check that all of the roads on the map still exist.
So whats all this 'city' map stuff? Are they more detailed maps of cities or just cheaper versions of the whole uk map?
I don't mind being 'questionable' especially when it costs that much, i'll try it first for sure. I guess there's no 'official' trial then?
nope. im guessing you know the place to look? ppc specific im talking here..
anyways off the topic of warez, i dont think the city maps are any different to whats in the full map. maybe its for like americans who come over here with their tomtom and use it to navigate london. easier and cheaper solution to a full map.
Rory
It would actually make a hell of a lot more sense to have city maps of cities in America, seeing as that's a huuuuuuuuge place.
Got mine today and found a "secret" compartment in the box. On the bit that covers the phone there is a small tab. In here is two CD's one with a couple of Apps on it and the other is the quick start.
You've all probably found this with no problem as I know you lot are all smarty people, but I only found it hours after putting the box away
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Got mine today and found a "secret" compartment in the box. On the bit that covers the phone there is a small tab. In here is two CD's one with a couple of Apps on it and the other is the quick start.
You've all probably found this with no problem as I know you lot are all smarty people, but I only found it hours after putting the box away
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Well, one cd was a Trial of MS Office 2007, the other was the manual (in the Dutch version). Not very exciting...
As said, one CD had some M$ trial software and the other CD had the PDF manual ( I guess its cost saving since you view it on the PC rather than read a printed manual) and SPB GPRS monitor software. I had to register @ htcClub to get Sprite backup.
I hate the Diamond's box. It is hard to stack it somewhere upside down due to its odd shape... We bought two diamonds, one for my mom and one for me. When i was doing the setup for the 2 phones, my table were in such a big mess with all those stuff around...
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I hate the Diamond's box. It is hard to stack it somewhere upside down due to its odd shape... We bought two diamonds, one for my mom and one for me. When i was doing the setup for the 2 phones, my table were in such a big mess with all those stuff around...
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Well I´ve been allmost wettening my pants when I opened the parcel from Hong Kong. I love this box. Looks SEXY.
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Well, one cd was a Trial of MS Office 2007, the other was the manual (in the Dutch version). Not very exciting...
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The same here. What we seem to be missing with the Dutch version is the SPB GPRS monitor software. Although Sprite backup is available for download.
Maybe someone with another non-English version has an idea how to get the SPB GPRS monitor software?
hi there
i have a touch diamond that was got from holland , unlocked and unbranded
rom version 1.35.401.3 WWE
using the Meteor pre pay network
last week the when making calls the person at the end of the line can not hear a thing im saying
anything I can do to fix this ?
step by step guides ?
thanks
Joe
Wooo! Another Diamond user in Ireland!
I'm also on Meteor pre-pay, but I have a Diamond from the UK (1.37.405.1 WWE). I've had no problems with calls or texts or anything...apart from mobile internet.
The built-in connection settings for Meteor are just wrong. They don't work at all. The WAP settings are available elsewhere on the internet, but I've managed to acquire (after confusing Meteor customer care quite a lot, because they've obviously never even heard of HTC) working mobile internet settings. The only problem is that their prices are ridiculous (2c per KB)...but at least I can check emails and the weather if I really need to.
If anyone wants the proper Meteor mobile internet settings, just ask (or phone customer care...and be prepared for a long conversation).
Oh, getting back to the original problem, have you tried your device on any other network? I would really doubt that the problem is Meteor-specific, because I've never had any problems using HTC devices on Meteor. BTW, aren't the new pre-pay deals really cool? Not sure about that magic mobile genie though...
Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.
i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
@ DArk fire
what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...
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i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
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what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...
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This may be just me, but I would try upgrading the radio. I've had the same issues with some of my other htc phones and it always fixed it for me.
I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...
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Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.
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The cheapest way to get a Diamond is probably to get one from eBay or the UK. Some websites don't like delivering to random countries though, so you might have to physically go to a shop if you don't like the eBay. I wonder if they're available in Northern Ireland - I can't see any reason for them not being available there...
3G test! I heard about that, but as I'm only in Ireland erratically I've never really investigated it. I'm here for a while now though - how did you sign up to the 3G test? On 3G do they still charge that crazy 2c per KB? Also, how good is the 3G network (coverage, speed, etc.)?
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GSM, unfortunately.
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I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...
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how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks
got mine from germany 470€ 3 weeks ago and brought it over to ireland.
did someone tried the o2.ie broadband addon with HSDPA?
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how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks
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Flashing in 2 steps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408621
hardspl 1.24
ROM of your choice such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407572
Direct download link:
http://duttythroy.net/downloads/ind...DiamProject_V2_5.2.19965_Radio_1.00.25.06.zip
Follow the instructions and backup anything important.
Ordered the Diamond from the UK the day it was released. Upgraded the rom to Dutty's Diamond Project and it works a treat. On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good. After Flashing with Dutty's ROM I have freed up about 20% more memory so it runs much smoother.
ok ill try and do that over the weekend , thanks all
ok iv seem to have got it working now again
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On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good.
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Is that on some kind of contract?
1GB would cost €20,971.52 on Meteor.
Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.
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Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.
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Isn't the "B" stock all of those returned grey imports from HK? Thanks for the tip about TomTom7 in Ireland.
Hey lads, living in the south and I've ordered the Diamond, should have it in a few days.
Up until now I've been using an old Acer n310 (WM5 and no phone capabilities and linked via bluetooth to a GPS module) with iGo 2006 (for about a year) and iGo8 (for the last 2 months). I've been trying TomTom 6 on and off. My job involves driving all around Munster and the iGo maps are far better to the TomTom 6 maps; more complete in terms of small roads, and more road and townland labelling. Also higher accuracy. So I'll be using iGo8 on the Diamond too. I definitely recommend it.
I'd been connecting the Acer to my bluetooth phone to use the internet and get my emails. I'm on O2 billpay and 250mb is €7.50 a month, which is great value. So the Diamond will mean one device instead of 3 for getting my emails, making calls, and navigating around the place.
Isn't there an issue that using alternative ROMs will cause the AGPS to stop working?
TomTom 6 uses the older navtek maps, TomTom7 uses the latest Teleatlas maps, which for W.Cork anyway seemed to have every little road, if you could call it a road. Some of the little lanes in W.Cork just aren't good for your suspension, I mean they are smaller than the width of my car and rougher than the dark side of the moon!
Using TomTom 7 on my Diamond + Uk/Ie Maps been to dublin cork waterford and never had any problems.
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Right it seams to be an intermittent problem , could it be something to do with the network signal ?
Okay I did search and I have seen it posted BOTH ways I am not a big fan of hacked cracked or Warez apps right now I am running a rom that come bundled with tomtom6 I then installed tomtom7 from the post here but when I went to download the freeby map and voices I got a weird error so I popped over to tomtom.com and my version doesn't seem to be legal before I yank it out can someone tell me once and for all if I am legal ?
I suppose the blunt answer is that if a) you haven't paid TomTom money for the software, or b) the software wasn't included in an official ROM on your device for 'trial' purposes; then you are outside terms of the licence - in simple terms, not legal.
There is however reasonable grounds for debate given that TomTom seem to be forgetting the PDA community to ever more significant levels. That's particularly out of order when you consider that it was really PDA users that put TomTom on the map (no pun intended) and really helped the consumer satellite navigation system market flourish into the extremely lucrative enterprise it now is.
The situation we're in now is that we've bank-rolled a good portion of TomTom's discreet product development, and indeed commercial success; and it seems our party-invites are being forgotten...
At the end of the day the product development and channel support for PDA users is shrinking more and more. The only real way to have a chance (and it's not guaranteed) of owning up-to-date (and therefore really useful) TomTom sat nav for your PDA is if you happen to buy one of only a handful of devices which fall inside the remit of the deal TomTom did with HTC. The next kick in the nuts is when you find out that even though you own a perfectly capable device, manufactured by the company who are in bed with TomTom, you still don't automatically join the party because the chances are you got your Diamond/Kaiser/Whatever from your Telco; and re-brands of device and software don't fall inside the same deal.
So, Mr A with his ageing but still capable iPaq can't buy a recent version of Navigator and a map for it because PDA software isn't out in the channel. And also Mr B, who owns a shiny-new Kaiser, but may have got it in the form of a Vaio III from T-Mobile, or a Tilt from those lovely folks over the pond, also can't get the software; again even though it is in existence, simply because they got their HTC manufactured (and the key point here is that HTC still made their £££, it was just T-Mobile/AT&T/Orange/whoever signing the cheque rather than Mr B himself) from a Telco because it worked out to be £0-£100 for the device rather than £300-500 to buy it 'SIM free'. The fact that TomTom are slowly and quietly dropping their PDA customers winds me up enough, but the fact a good number of HTC customers are excluded from the ever-shrinking party simply because their Telco subsidised part of the purchase price of the device makes it even worse.
So, relatively up-to-date versions of TomTom navigator for PDAs do exist, as do relatively up-to-date maps and extras (traffic/safety camera subscriptions). The only problem is that even if you want to, it's near impossible to spend your money on them.
Does this make TomTom a bunch of clowns for still putting some resource into development but at the same time slamming the door on a large number of loyal users who would still quite happily help them recoup or even profit on those costs, absolutely. Should they be surprised if some people find other ways around those obstacles when pound-notes fail, probably not. Does that make it ethical - it's debatable (but for the sake of this great site's legal-footing, that debate can't really take place here. ...Does it make it legal, alas no.
So, for the black-and-white legal position on the matter, read the first paragraph again. Anything beyond that I think is up to the individual, who has to decide whether they'll risk/be prepared for/accept any potential consequences of other actions which fall outside of TomTom's frankly ridiculous position.
I can't help wondering what the blinkered-idiots at TomTom are thinking on this issue. As far as I can see they currently have product available, and there's no real reason why that can't continue for the forseeable future given that most of the development cost will still be incurred if they only shipped discreet devices (ie, it can't cost that much extra to make sure there's a pretty recent PDA version living alongside their discreet products); BUT, they've more or less completely closed every route to market. Which Mickey Mouse school of business did these chumps go to? Yes, I see the point that they stand to make more money by selling you a Go! 940 Live than a software-only product for your PDA; but I for one certainly won't go running out to buy a 940 (or its descendant) if all possibility of my running an up-to-date version on my PDA ceases. I think I'll be feeling alienated enough to give my money to Navman, Garmin or any of the others first. Likewise they could, and should have enough confidence in their own discreet products to see that there are USPs differentiating both markets - some folks just one a gadget to do sat nav, and nothing else, they want it to be integrated and simple, with more focus on certain aspects of specification. On the other hand some folks will always have the need for a PDA, and would prefer not to have a rucksack full of electronics to carry with us - OK, we might not get all the benefits of a discreet sat nav unit; but if it's that way or the highway (again, no pun intended, I'm just one damn funny guy ), why exclude our money from your coffers.
Anyway, in short; you're probably a little outside of licensing and copyright law; but at the moment it's probably fair to say that TomTom have left us out in the cold to some degree, so you should just feel the force/go with your heart/<insert other suitable cliché here>...
Rant over.
Love and hugs (to everyone apart from TomTom's marketeers),
Rob.
Write to TomTom and let the boss know what you think
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TomTom seem to be forgetting the PDA community to ever more significant levels.
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I know what you mean and (after several unsatifying phonecalls to the company) I recently sent their big cheese (at HQ in the Netherlands) a letter about it. Sometimes buying a dedicated TomTom device just isn't an answer - for example I use my TyTN II for navigation on my bicycle (using a TyTN II handlebar mount) and on foot alot of the time so there's no way I'm going to carry around a 12 volt battery just to power a dedicated, comparitively bulky, TomTom device.
I suggest you write to them as well, The addresses and manager/supervisor names and positions are all on their website. I'd be happy with TomTom Navigator 6 if it weren't for the fact the map I have (which is the latest available) is very outdated and it doesn't support map share or any other similar way of getting any sort of update. I refuse to pay for a product thats not officially supported (eg buying a map for an illegal version of TTN7 on a Kaiser) so I'm just making do with TTN 6 and my purchased compatible map, the rest of my money is staying in my wallet.
You are correct in that it is a glaring example of missed marketing opportunities. Perhaps given their tremendous growth in recent times, they are getting to big for their boots and think they can shape the market to suit their ideal, to a greater extent than they really can? They need to watch out or people will go with the competition.
I beleive their reasoning is that they're fed up of piracy. A bit silly really considering they're making piracy the only option.
Absolutely agree with everything posted here.
I have paid for TomTom Nav 6, the most up-to-date maps (early 2007), extra voices, Speed Camera & Traffic subscriptions - and have now been told it's no longer supported (they will not be issuing new maps).
I have raised support calls & spoken to them on the phone - they agree this is now obsolete and they have no plans to release TomTom 7 in this country (UK). They even said if you have TomTom 7 in the UK it's an illegal copy!
I want my money back. I was told there would be 4 map updates every year - there was only 1 update after I bought the software.
Having said all that, I am struggling to find a viable alternative. I need to traffic to make it worthwhile (as I do the same trips most days, but need traffic warnings due to motorway snarl-ups).
I'm v.impressed with the trial of Navigon MN7 - but there seems to be no way of getting TMC traffic on the Kaiser in the UK (outstanding support call with Navigon as well now...).
If anyone finds an alternative, please let me know.
I really don't understand TomTom's position on this. They have a market leading product and now choose to pull out of the market - at exactly the point you would expect the PDA solution to supercede the traditional separate unit. In my company we looking to stop using 250 TomTom units and repace them with an integrated PDA solution - so TomTom will (eventually) lose out big-style. They seem to be shooting themselves in the foot.
CoPilot Live 7 is one alternative that was bundled with some Kaisers
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CoPilot Live 7 works on the Kaiser, indeed some UK providers bundled the two together. I have no personal experience of the product so I don't know how up to date their maps are but CoPilot maps are provided by a different company to TomToms maps (Navteq vs TeleAtlas respectively) and fewer countries/regions are covered at the moment compared to TomTom, I'm sure a search here and on google will yield lots of results.
As for getting your money back, see if you can find some documentation showing they said there'd be 4 maps a year, then talk to the C.A.B. or your Trading Standards Office - good luck with that
I think you also have lots of good points that'd be best dealt with via a letter or Fax to the company boss. If they REALLY want to get out of that section of the market due to piracy issues, it's throwing out the baby with the bath water. Instead they should be looking at improving security and making the product less easy to steal - perhaps by using activation for BOTH the software AND maps.
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Anyway, in short; you're probably a little outside of licensing and copyright law; but at the moment it's probably fair to say that TomTom have left us out in the cold to some degree, so you should just feel the force/go with your heart/<insert other suitable cliché here>...
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Thanks for the clarification and for soothing my conscience...
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CoPilot Live 7 works on the Kaiser, indeed some UK providers bundled the two together. I have no personal experience of the product so I don't know how up to date their maps are but CoPilot maps are provided by a different company to TomToms maps (Navteq vs TeleAtlas respectively) and fewer countries/regions are covered at the moment compared to TomTom, I'm sure a search here and on google will yield lots of results.
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I have spoken to ALK regarding switching to CoPilot, but was told their maps are also over 18 months old, and they will not be releasing updates for CoPilot 7. They could not give me a date for CoPilot 8, but if they do not issue map updates, then it will be exactly the same problem as TomTom i.e. It will become obsolete.
Ramsfan_Jim said:
I have spoken to ALK regarding switching to CoPilot, but was told their maps are also over 18 months old,
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I could only dream of having a TomTom map thats age is in months rather than years!
they will not be releasing updates for CoPilot 7.
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Maybe not program updates but the map would still be newer to start with (although in fairness I've not compared the two in the areas where TomToms maps have things wrong).
They could not give me a date for CoPilot 8, but if they do not issue map updates, then it will be exactly the same problem as TomTom i.e. It will become obsolete.
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Most importantly, they've also not said they'll be releasing future versions only bundled with devices. This means if you're keen for the absolute latest and greatest maps and you're willing to pay, they'll still be providing suitable products - not something that can be said of TomTom.
Just been told by T-M that my Compact V that I ordered last Friday is not coming as it's out of stock. Also they want to pay £65+7 (upgrade+delivery) for Flex35 tariff while for the same monthly amount unlocked D2 is for free e.g. on mobilephonesdirect.co.uk (Combi30+w'n'w).
Is there any reason to wait for Compact V? Or there is just an aesthetic difference between the two?
Unlike the unlocked version directly from HTC the MDA Compact V will have some interesting additional software add-ons. TouchFlo3D will, like their older products, have a tab filled with widgets, for example for facebook and twitter.
In addition the device will come with a 2 GB microSD card and a 7 day trial of the CoPilot GPS navigation software, with the first 10,000 customers to register getting a free 18-month subscription to the navigation service.
Compliments of wmpoweruser dot com.
Google, who knew?
harolds said:
Unlike the unlocked version directly from HTC the MDA Compact V will have some interesting additional software add-ons. TouchFlo3D will, like their older products, have a tab filled with widgets, for example for facebook and twitter.
In addition the device will come with a 2 GB microSD card and a 7 day trial of the CoPilot GPS navigation software, with the first 10,000 customers to register getting a free 18-month subscription to the navigation service.
Compliments of wmpoweruser dot com.
Google, who knew?
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You also get a case too
imranbashir_uk said:
You also get a case too
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I got a case with the D2.
the most notable difference would be the exterior. The compact V has a rounded bottom, and the dimensions all around are slightly different. This made me go for the original TD2, to find a cradle and car holder more easily.
vheisterkamp said:
This made me go for the original TD2, to find a cradle and car holder more easily.
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This appears to be the killer flaw in the Compact V design - they have fitted a rubber cover over the connector at the bottom so it cannot slide directly into a car holder. Apparently there are gaps either side of the connector which are exposed if you remove the rubber cover so this isn't a practical option either.
Does anyone actually know how you get the 18 months free on co-pilot working ? Mine just seems to have 7 days free !
cheers,
Mickey
ohh...
there also have HTC diamond2.
i like it.
i'm just going to by this,so i want to know how is it.
thx.
原来这里也有钻石2.
我正想买一个,所以我想知道这个到底怎么样.
谢谢.
merci~
Mickey4U said:
Does anyone actually know how you get the 18 months free on co-pilot working ? Mine just seems to have 7 days free !
cheers,
Mickey
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I've been on the phone about this several times.
Noone at t-mobile will admit to this offer ... they say I have to speak o co-pilot ...
Then all co-pilot people say they don't know about it and I have to speak to t-mobile.
Going round in circles.
If I can get the postcodes in TomTom working I'll be happy!!!!!
rbcd said:
I've been on the phone about this several times.
Noone at t-mobile will admit to this offer ... they say I have to speak o co-pilot ...
Then all co-pilot people say they don't know about it and I have to speak to t-mobile.
Going round in circles.
If I can get the postcodes in TomTom working I'll be happy!!!!!
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You have to of taken an 18 month contract to recieve the free Co-pilot. The Press release is on the T-mobile website. Goto this link - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/about-t-mobile/media-centre/ and look for the one titled "The Fifth Element".
It explains it in there, so T-mobile have no excusses!!!
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You have to of taken an 18 month contract to recieve the free Co-pilot. The Press release is on the T-mobile website. Goto this link - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/about-t-mobile/media-centre/ and look for the one titled "The Fifth Element".
It explains it in there, so T-mobile have no excusses!!!
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P.S If anyone has recieved the free Co-Pilot on a 12 month contract and are on Friends And Family deal then please let me know. Because I can then argue my case to get it!!!
Difference:
There seems to be an issue with changing left softkey of MDA V. Entry of path will be ignored.
JO'Donoghue said:
You have to of taken an 18 month contract to recieve the free Co-pilot. The Press release is on the T-mobile website. Goto this link - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/about-t-mobile/media-centre/ and look for the one titled "The Fifth Element".
It explains it in there, so T-mobile have no excusses!!!
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Thanks for that.
I did take out an 18month contract and was one of the first to get the phone ... however T-Mobile still refuse to admit that this offer exists!!!
To be honest I have tried the trial of Co-Pilot and far prefer TomTom. I just cannot get the postcodes in TomTom to work (even after applying the postcodes 'fix').
D2 has no usb cover on the bottom, DV has a clip in cover.
D2 has more camera options than the DV.
DV has useless tabs on TF3D like widgets and TV and Video....they do nothing but direct you to the tmobile homepage. You could do the same thing by clicking Internet. I think on the D2 they have Camera and something else as a tab?
DV has no facebook intergration available.
D2 is better at handling downloaded software
DV comes with a 2GB card (1.5 GB is taken up with the copilot trial software)
D2 comes with no card in the box
DV has no HTC branding whatsoever apart from the battery.
DV has no flippy clock and the home screen doesnt flip up like the D2
I think the curvy look of the Compact V is much better looking than the boxy D2. Only annoying thing is the Tmobile ROM with its pink theme and useless tabs. But I like the speed of the ROM. It is very snappy. I wonder whether its worth flashing as I want to get rid of the Tmobile crap but I really dont want to mess the speed after flashing ROM. Anyone already flashed any ROM could comment>?
update on the copilot offer - spoke to T-mobile a few times and eventually told to speak to ALK Services, the makers of Copilot. THey told me that YES, Copilot live is to be offered on an 18 month subscription BUT this offer starts on 8 July 2009. I've just arranged to return my newly acquired TD2 (on their 7 day return policy) with a view to re-ordering in a couple of weeks
jugulator said:
I think the curvy look of the Compact V is much better looking than the boxy D2. Only annoying thing is the Tmobile ROM with its pink theme and useless tabs. But I like the speed of the ROM. It is very snappy. I wonder whether its worth flashing as I want to get rid of the Tmobile crap but I really dont want to mess the speed after flashing ROM. Anyone already flashed any ROM could comment>?
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I've flashed to a custom rom from that pink T-Mobile nonsense and it works a treat. I did the same with my compact iv. Just make sure that you follow all the instructions of our esteemed members on the forum if you are unfamiliar with flashing to a new rom.
The handset now runs quicker and takes advantage of the all of the features HTC intended ( + a few extras thanks to the chefs !).
Hope that helps,
mickey
Thats good to know.
What rom did you use?
jugulator said:
I think the curvy look of the Compact V is much better looking than the boxy D2. Only annoying thing is the Tmobile ROM with its pink theme and useless tabs. But I like the speed of the ROM. It is very snappy. I wonder whether its worth flashing as I want to get rid of the Tmobile crap but I really dont want to mess the speed after flashing ROM. Anyone already flashed any ROM could comment>?
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I flashed my ROM the day that I got my phone, yes the Compact V T-Mobile ROM was fast, faster then my custom Duty ROM on Diamond 1.but the newer Rom is faster still. I went for Tom Topaz WM6.1 for now, will look again in a month or so to see if there is something better out.
Out of interest, has anyone got the G sensor to work when viewing pictures, it worked on the original Diamond but not on the Compact V.
Also has anyone got Opera text to reflow if zooming with the zoom bar?
imranbashir_uk said:
Out of interest, has anyone got the G sensor to work when viewing pictures, it worked on the original Diamond but not on the Compact V.
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The HTC Album's settings tells me it now uses "best fit" to decide what orientation to use